Making the blanket statement that anyone who believes male loneliness is an issue that in parts is outside of their control, is a clown, has nothing to do with introspection. It's a rude, unemphatic, misandric statement that has no constructive properties.

Yeah one of the many ways our culture is broken. :(

But did you double down on the affection after the gay rumors? Because, unless you feared violence, it seems like a great setup to mess with Straighty.

Yes, that snippet went viral because it is so incongruous in the USA, especially. But such things are common elsewhere and it is not perceived as ‘gay’ or negative in any way.

I think of my own experience of learning how to live as a gay man in the way our culture accepts. I just have to wonder how it would have been different if I had been raised seeing and experiencing males touching each other with casual affection and no overt sexual undertones.

I had to go to gay bars to first experience socially sanctioned touching between men. In the sexualized atmosphere of US gay bars, it was hard to just enjoy the closeness - because of the implications.

There is not JUST a male loneliness epidemic. Across all demographics, humans are experiencing more loneliness than twenty years ago, and more still from forty years ago.

The reasons that men, and especially young men, are doing considerably worse still than the general population with loneliness largely reflects on those men. We're doing stupid shit. And yeah, we need some help to stop doing stupid shit and instead start doing pro-social shit. But ultimately, that responsibility rests on us, not on those who would love to help us get our shit together.

And not to be cliche, but we're genuinely talking about "Not All Men." We're talking about men who say: women are dishwashers. Who think: empathy is weakness. Who excuse: all their hatred and selfishness. And then who blame: everyone else. If you don't see your self in this picture, why get worked up??

Yes, they are both dicks.

Stop. Right there. That's all you need to say.

Cut off that other crap about men "running the most powerful government in the world". I guarantee the average man does not "run the world". I sure as hell don't. Do you? No? Then stop.

No more saying "My side has it worse, so your side doesn't deserve to have your problems addressed", neither gender should have their very real problems ignored.

There are no winners in the "Oppression Olympics", only losers. The first step towards not being a loser is to stop thinking like a loser.

Yeah, looknat the SAVE act and whose voting rights will be impacted by that. Women and transpeople, mainly. But they want us to think they are wittle victims because no one wants to be around a fucking bully. Amd they make fun of women's loneliness epidemic no problem - the cat lady rhetoric. So they can stuff it.

So, no answer then?

Oh, you got your answer. You just didn't like the answer - Probably because the answer acknowledged that men's problems actually exist in this regard, and you don't like that either.

You know what I didn't like? My ex beating the shit out of me, and getting away with it every single time because just because she's a woman.

Misogyny and misandry are unfortunately both very real and very bad.

What? Saying one thing is on a different level is not the same as saying the other doesn’t exist.

Well, a big part of men's problem here is plenty of people do say that in one way or another - That men's problems in this regard "don't exist".

I've experienced domestic violence before. She preferred to knock the shit out of me when I was sleeping. I don't care how strong you think you are, you aren't able to protect yourself when you are asleep.

I have flat-out had people tell me that "men cannot be abused by women, just like how a woman can't r-pe a man" when I've told people about the situation.

How else am I to interpret that, other than "your problems don't exist"?

thanks

It's already a stretch to assume that men complaining about loneliness are happy with the number of male friends that they've got, but it's a bigger stretch to assume that what they did to get their male friends should also get non-male friends. There are still men who haven't realised that women are people and that to befriend them, you need to talk to them as if they're people, but they're not the ones referring to a male loneliness epidemic, and would instead blame conspiracy theories where crazed feminists want to do evil deeds or whatever nonsense it is that the likes of Andrew Tate peddle. Plenty of men just don't meet anyone new, and on the rare occasions when they do, it's when engaging in a male-dominated hobby or at a male-dominated workplace, and so it's another man. E.g. for reasons I don't understand, all the bars near me where it's quiet enough to have a conversation (the bare minimum to befriending someone) are almost exclusively attended by men. After you've shown up a few times, you might be friends with the regulars, but no matter how effectively you make friends with them, they'll still all be men.

You're probably right that no one would listen if you made a video, as anyone who needs to hear the thing you're trying to explain is too entrenched exclusively watching manosphere influencers, and anyone without that kind of terminal brainrot already knows what you're trying to tell them.

I’m sorry, but that’s just not true. Being taught to hide your feelings doesn’t necessarily stunt emotional growth, and even if emotional growth is stunted, that doesn’t necessarily lead to treating other people like objects. You’re making a lot of assumptions about how people mature under these conditions. Do you have any professional sources to back this up or is it just your personal view of the topic?

Depends on your brand of feminism. Sounds like that's about to become a no true Scottsman argument.

Where is all the care when I see women choosing the bear? Where is all the care when women go on TV saying men are useless and we don't need men then laughing about it? What specifically are you talking about when you say the patriarchy is to blame? Cuz that just sounds like things I hear in the video that you struggled to get through.

Men are lonely? That's men's fault! Cool, guess I'll go kick my own ass? This is why the left is completely losing men as a demographic.

And I'm saying this all as a registered Democrat in a loving relationship who is not lonely.

And I've said this all before the election, got down voted for it, and then lo and behold a lot of men shifted to Trump, especially in the younger demos, which have traditionally been more progressive.

You ask the average man if they feel feminists care about them and I doubt you'll get a favorable response.

Well then this is a poor choice of meme template, which is probably why this post is turning out to be so divisive. This meme format is used to mock a series of increasingly ridiculous statements/beliefs/actions. Here, the final and therefore most ridiculous statement is simply "there is a male loneliness epidemic". If the intention was not to mock this statement, and supposed to mock people who blame the epidemic for their problems, there are many ways it could have been worded to be clear about that, but currently it reads to me (and clearly many people) as direct mockery of male loneliness.

That's just where they posted it

You are right. And snowing similarly implies that it's cold outside. But you cannot reliably conclude whether it is snowing if you only know it is cold.

Yeah, quoting a few things said by or about the worst possible guys in the world really makes a solid rational point there. Almost as smart as pointing out a few black dudes in prison to prove black people are criminals. Just all-around fucking genius level there, congrats!