For me, it's going to be Fediverse or nothing

a year ago by Anarchotron666 to c/fediverse

So I’ve tried Mastodon, Pixelfed and didn’t like them. Mastodon is nice if you wanna ”tweet”, but that’s not for me. Pixelfed was dead.

I quit Meta because of tech bro fascism, and hated Twitter even before it was X because, let’s face it - nobody has ever changed their opinion on anything because of a Twitter conversation (I know I’m exaggerating, to get my point across). I was in Reddit for a few weeks, and the conversations there seem mostly friendly and constructive, but I decided I don’t want to have anything to do with social media corporations. Besides, I noticed I could scroll endlessly. And that’s not good for me.

Lemmy seems nice. There are still some topics I’m interested in that don’t have active communities, and I’m still learning on how to have my feed from multiple instances. But still, this is the way to go for me.

Against algorithms, against fascism, for free internet. Thanks for coming to my boring Ted talk and have a nice day.

CrowyTech 89 points a year ago

I'm hoping Lemmy grows more so that the niche communities (that were still relatively active on reddit, even for their neichness) can start to have regular threads going.

What I'd also like to see is posts that I can spend 5-10 minutes in because they have more comments than the ~5 we have now.

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neon_nova 33 points a year ago

I just try to actively contribute. Especially when I’m debating whether I want to or not.

I don’t really enjoy posting or taking pictures, but I’ve been to around 11 countries and have slowly been uploading to Pixelfed just to contribute to the community.

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CrowyTech 6 points a year ago

Pixelfed is the one I need to learn to use, I never did Instagram so never know what images to post, or who I'm bothered about following erc.

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schizo 8 points a year ago

Post images you like and/or find meaningful to you.

Took a good picture? Post it.

Took a bad picture, but it's of your cat? Post it anyway.

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arakhis_ 5 points a year ago

we need more artists on pixelfed. the insta artists are on the one side extremely exploited by meta but on the other side theres so much that do it for their small artist bag..

idk clout is weird.. how would one solve that with no revenue, maybe like personal sponsors based on reach will remain? idk

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Muyal 4 points a year ago

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small44 1 point a year ago

There is no algorithm so you upload whatever you want

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CrowyTech 2 points a year ago

I'm just not sure what to upload. I seldomly uploaded photos on Facebook, before I came off it, and that's with friends and family. Does Joe public want to see what I've been doing?

Maybe I'm not the right audience for pixelfed

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IllNess 17 points a year ago

The biggest issue of community growth is the lack priority in search engines. If you ask a question on lemmy, stackoverflow, and reddit at the same time, you will get the two latter choices first even if the lemmy post has a better answer.

Either lemmy is not prioritized because of the age of the domain, or less visitors, but I think it's purposely done. There are usually no ads on lemmy. Google prioritizes sites that use their products.

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leraje 16 points a year ago

I think, as well as the issues you mention, another issue might possibly be duplication. Historically, search engines penalise duplicated content, even across different domains and federation kind of bakes that in.

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IllNess 6 points a year ago

That's a great point.

Search engines should fix this for federated websites if they still want the best search results.

For a solution now, I wonder if a 307 (Temporary Redirect) status code, redirecting to the original instance post, could work for search crawlers.

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Scrollone 2 points a year ago

Or maybe using the canonical URL meta tag? I don't know if it works across different domains.

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rglullis 10 points a year ago

I really wish more people had taken on the "Community Ambassador" work that I've done for https://fediverser.network/. It could be really helpful in creating a focal point for everyone that wanted to help the migration of people interested in a specific niche.

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CrowyTech 2 points a year ago

Where can I read more about this? I'm not getting far with the link 🫤

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rglullis 3 points a year ago

Sign up to Fediverser
Search for communities for your interests.
The community should be associated with a subreddit. If it's not, you can make a suggestion for the change.
Apply to become a Community Ambassador. I'll approve it. Once you are approved, you will be able to do the following:
- See the posts from the subreddit that is associated to the community.
- Send DMs to people on Reddit, inviting them to join Lemmy and your community
- Add other sources of contents (RSS feeds)

There were more things that I had planned, such as the ability to do one-click repost of interesting links, but I didn't get to it because that would mean effectively that I would have to turn the fediverser site into a an alternative Lemmy frontend.

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Zero22xx 9 points a year ago

Yeah, every time I see people saying that they like the amount of users now just makes me think "hmmm must be nice that all of your particular niches and tastes are accounted for". It's pretty silly to be so anti growth for this place anyway. Even on Reddit, you literally have a choice to take part in the bigger 'default' subs or find a smaller one if that suits you. And I like choice.

This place still has a long way to go IMO. I'm starting to resort to lurking chat / ask style communities more just for something to do around here and even there, it's not quite as engaging or active as it should be. As a humble user, sometimes I don't have something particular in mind that I want to see. Sometimes I just want to bed rot and scroll and read people's stories and discussions, maybe give my two cents if I feel so inclined. And there isn't really that here yet because once you've checked AskLemmy or whatever, you've already seen 90% of the content for the next week.

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Trihilis 41 points a year ago

I've already settled on making lemmy my new home a long while ago. I like it here and there is more than enough engagement.

What i can't really find an alternative for is discord... it's going through the "enshittification fascism techbro" phase.

I tried matrix but honestly it sucks, Its so incredibly buggy it's barely even usable. I'm still willing to give it a try since it seems very promising but the instability is a big downside.

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schizo 9 points a year ago

What exactly do you need from a Discord replacement?

There's a LOT of options, with varying features so if you don't need certain things it gets a lot easier to suggest what might work.

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ArtificialHoldings 3 points a year ago

I manage a community on discord and see it going down the aggressive monetization route day by day. Also looked at Matrix, but the basic tools to support my community just aren't there. I'm hoping the next two or so years produces an alternative rich chat/voice/video platform.

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Trihilis 1 point a year ago

The problem with Matrix to me is that it is simply too unstable. I can open it up on any device and half the messages won't load or are corrupted. Media won't show at all. In contrast Lemmy has been super reliable and "just works", so going from reddit to lemmy was no problem at all. And the communities are great too.

I just want working voice chat and group chats.

The entire streaming i don't really care about. There are other apps for that.

But yeah as it is I'm probably better off using discord until the enshittification is so bad no one wants to use it anymore.

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SharkAttak 1 point a year ago

I may sound old but I don't get what's peculiar about discord. From the little I know is like a forum? with calls&messaging functionality.

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Trihilis 1 point a year ago

Well... they went the enshittification route and they keep on censoring more and more. One of their latest stunts is that they're going to implent an age check by making a video of you.

Yeah sorry but that is very privacy invasive. I'm all for trying to catch predators and shit but I'm not giving away my privacy for it.

As an added bonus they're more and more ads so they can link all that juicy data you send them to a profile.

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Liberteez 1 point a year ago

I keep a lot of personal notes in discord like it's a journal. Is that now a bad idea? I've loved discord for years but what's happening on Reddit currently scared me off that platform already, just like Xitter

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Vanilla_PuddinFudge 1 point a year ago

Matrix and Xmpp are good for that sort of thing. Maybe there's a way to export your notes.

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Snoopy 25 points a year ago

Yes Lemmy communities are nice but you will notice quickly that there are part you may want to avoid. So each communities, even if they may have the same name offer a different experience. It's all up to the mod team 😅

Btw, there are other software part of the forumverse as Mbin, NodeBB and PieFed that offer a slightly different experience and UI too

Welcome and enjoy :)

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underscores 23 points a year ago

Pixelfed has more than 100,000 active users, about 5 times what it was 6 months ago, so I wouldn't really call it dead. And with the fediverse, pixelfed and mastodon can talk to each other, so even on less active platforms you can connect with millions of other people. Most of the accounts I follow on pixelfed are from mastodon.

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Coyote_sly 10 points a year ago

Discovery in Pixelfed fed is absolute and utter shit, though. It doesn't matter if it's there if you can't find it...and mostly you can't find it.

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0xD 6 points a year ago

Unfortunately exactly my experience :( And nobody saw (or I guess liked/interacted with) my posts either, so it felt pointless.

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small44 -3 points a year ago

No it's not you just used to be fed content by algorithmsbor just follow populat content

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JustAnotherKay 10 points a year ago

was dead

20k MAU can feel pretty dead, even 100k can if none of them are sharing things you're interested in.

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Atelopus-zeteki 6 points a year ago

what are you interested in finding that you aren't? build it, put it up, ask questions. We're all here on the frontier building what we want.

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small44 -2 points a year ago

79 millions pictures , i don't undetstand how you can't find any content that is interesting

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JustAnotherKay 4 points a year ago

One of the big issues that I personally had with Pixelfed is that content discovery is kind of difficult on the platform. Sure, there's probably some pictures out there of the obscure shit I'm into. However, all I ever found on pixelfed was like landscape/nature photography and a little bit of porn

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small44 0 points a year ago

I see all type of contents drawing, vinyl, monuments etc

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fxomt 22 points a year ago

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Blaze 6 points a year ago

!dataisbeautiful@mander.xyz

Also, why not point to the pinned post of !communitypromo@lemmy.ca ?

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fxomt 4 points a year ago

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Anarchotron666 4 points a year ago

Thanks! Subscribed to some communities. Can I somehow subscribe to the whole instances?

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fxomt 2 points a year ago

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Blaze 13 points a year ago

Welcome to Lemmy, here are a few pointers to help you settle in

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experiencetheworld 12 points a year ago

Some platforms are dead but we can change that. If more people post on a "dead" platform it will get alive. I also feel that some communities are missing but we can also change that. If you scroll endlessly then maybe try to be on maybe just some social media platforms. I really like Lemmy and hope you will also like it in the future.

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megrania 12 points a year ago

Meh ... I wish there was a middle ground. Non-corporate, yet effective. Unfortunately, the Fediverse is only the first.

Discovery algorithms can be great, if applied with care. And I really think ActivityPub is not very effective at showing interesting stuff, while from a user perspective it's super intransparent. Personally I'd prefer a centralized user experience to the Fediverse fragmentation any day ... I guess I'm really only here because I'm fed up with corporate bullshit.

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EnsignWashout 4 points a year ago

I'm with you.

Thankfully, corporate bullahit isn't the only way to create a discovery algorithm.

I expect that we will have a diverse set of discovery algorithms available to opt into here, in a few years.

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Fizz 10 points a year ago

How did you find out about Lemmy out of interest?

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Anarchotron666 5 points a year ago

From Reddit.

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Vanilla_PuddinFudge 1 point a year ago

lol, as one does

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petrescatraian 10 points a year ago

@Anarchotron666

I quit Meta because of tech bro fascism, and hated Twitter even before it was X because, let’s face it - nobody has ever changed their opinion on anything because of a Twitter conversation (I know I’m exaggerating, to get my point across). I was in Reddit for a few weeks [...]

I'm assuming you previously used Facebook mostly, right? If so, there's also a Facebook alternative called Friendica, with pretty much the same core functionality as Facebook (sans Marketplace). Besides that, you can also format your posts and comments, add titles to them, get a dislike button and customize your experience more than you could do there. Plus you can also follow Lemmy communities straight from there, as well as Mastodon accounts, Flipboard publications etc.

Check out friendica.world to try it out.

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yigruzeltil 1 point a year ago

I wonder why isn't Friendica more popular by now.

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Jaysyn 8 points a year ago

Same. I have no interest in corporate social media.

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Atelopus-zeteki 6 points a year ago

If you want for something here, it's a new place, make it. We're all over here building a new way to do this thing, and everyone's input is important. What do you want to see, that you haven't found on Fedi?

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Anarchotron666 7 points a year ago

Actually since I quit Insta etc. I've been pretty happy about leaving social media. Tried Bluesky also, but like Mastodon, the Twitter-kind of social media is not for me. Reddit felt helpful and people seemed nice. Right now I don't feel like I need anything new. I hope Lemmy will be enough for me. I'm also trying to scroll my phone less.

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Atelopus-zeteki 2 points a year ago

I hear you on the scroll less. Time limits help me to not be obsessively scrolling. Emphasizing quality over quantity also helps. Cheers!

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Anarchotron666 2 points a year ago

Cheers!

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brown_guy 2 points a year ago

What do you want to see, that you haven't found on Fedi?

For me it's mostly the regional subs I had in reddit, those aren't here. And I also wanted Lemmy to some communities like which are relevant to my studies and work

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Atelopus-zeteki 3 points a year ago

smae! there wasn't a community for my town, so I made one. Also I'm really into photobiomodulation, made a community, but it was on kbin which frittered away, so now I have to remake it. We're building a whole new thing, new culture, new communities. No better time for it, with all the chaos, let's make a shiny new garden here, tend it, watch it grow.

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brown_guy 1 point a year ago

Yeah. But I can't create communities now because my account is new so I gotta wait

Y'all are making communities for town tho? Man, i can't even find an active community of my country 😂

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Atelopus-zeteki 2 points a year ago

Let's see what can be done. Ape together strong!

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HubertManne 6 points a year ago

Given all you have tried the only thing more I could say is trust cafe by the wikipedia guy. Unfortunately its not federated but it does have this neat thing where you can rate everything. Its basically like nuanced subscribe and block. You rate things between zero and 100 and I think zero would effictively be the same as blocking (which you can still do) and 100 would be the same as subscribing (which you can still do). Everything by default starts at a rating of 50. So its like you can be. mmmm. I like this guys post I will move him to 60. Or this guy seems a bit annoying I will drop him to 40 for now. Then over time the blocks and subscribes come out naturally.

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brown_guy 2 points a year ago

I have started to like Lemmy too. I made an account here because I was IP banned in reddit for expressing my opinion on gender neutral laws in my country

That's the worst part of reddit. You can't say something which go against their ideologies. Although I still want my reddit account back because fediverse isn't popular in my country and there aren't much relevant subs for me in here

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JoeBidet 1 point a year ago

Internet Libre o Barbarie!

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA -1 points a year ago

For some reason I feel like all of these things need to be three word phrases so this two word one, I must change it to "Alles Gegen Nazis"

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Gammelfisch -5 points a year ago

I'm an FC St. Pauli fan too..."Gegen Nazis," but also against the Communists too.

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pyre 7 points a year ago

yeah what's even the difference between exterminating minorities and giving laborers ownership of the means of production anyway

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Gammelfisch 1 point a year ago

Karl Marx, in theory is 100% correct, but humans will find a way to fuck it all up. The Communists were just as nasty, corrupt and power hungry as the Nazis.

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ImmersiveMatthew 2 points a year ago

Agreed. A lot of people who think Communism is the answer to Capitalism fail to recognize that both are just different sides of the same centralization coin. Sure the utopian vision of Communism is decentralized governance, but the minute there is one party with all the power, even with the intention of going full decentralization one day, never do. Why? Same reason as Capitalism…centralized power is a drug that humans cannot let go of. Communism is just what every capitalist wishes they had…complete control.

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Realitaetsverlust -2 points a year ago

Karl Marx, in theory is 100% correct

No, he's really not. He's completely wrong. Life is about more than eating, sleeping and working. Communism is a good approach if survival of mankind is on the line, but not if we actually want to live our lives.

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Ensign_Crab 2 points a year ago

Thank god capitalism has that covered and everyone isn't working and only getting bare survival out of it. If they're getting that much.

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Ensign_Crab 4 points a year ago

I’m an FC St. Pauli fan too…“Gegen Nazis,” but also against the Communists too.

Whenever someone sees people oppose nazis and are like "I also oppose commies!" I assume they only actually oppose communists.

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IndustryStandard 3 points a year ago

I assume they are Nazis.

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Gammelfisch 0 points a year ago

Your assumption is wrong in relation to my political views. Fuck them both.

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Ensign_Crab 2 points a year ago

But only when someone says "fuck nazis"

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Wanpieserino -8 points a year ago

Lemmy is just left wing politics in an echo chamber

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Ensign_Crab 3 points a year ago

It's too bad you're being forced to be here.

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Wanpieserino -1 points a year ago

I actually am hahahhaa.

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Ensign_Crab 3 points a year ago

Imagine being too far to the right for reddit and then thinking that you will be met with enthusiastic agreement on lemmy.

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Wanpieserino 0 points a year ago

Nah not really, I just said kill Elon musk for impacting German politics. Not because of anything he said, but because he's not an elected European.

Impacting EU legislation, tsk tsk tsk.

Me being extreme right to extreme left depends on the topic.

Most people are politically, economically and financially illiterate.

They just have their brand (insert your preferred ideology) and just question themselves: is this what my brand wants? Then they do ☺️ or 😡

I vote for social democrats (freedom of expression is important to them). But clearly not everything I say is viewed as leftist.

There's a lot I say that would get me to vote for other parties. I just vote what I find most important in society. But I still will heavily criticise it.

You're not a Belgian if you don't criticise the government (every single political ideology). It's our national sport. We complain. A lot. Like the Italians, but without the passionate gestures and intonation.

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DieserTypMatthias 3 points a year ago

If majority of Lemmy users come from .ml, then yeah. But there are also servers that do not care.

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Allero 2 points a year ago

I guess you're getting downvoted by those offended. It absolutely is.

Note: I am left, communist in fact, but the way political topics are discussed is a clear doomer circlejerk. I'd love to at least see more variety over "Trump is stupid, Elon is mad, senators are bootlickers, death to Nazis, we're all gonna die". Like, yeah, we got it and we know it. What next? Any political action, maybe?

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Wanpieserino -3 points a year ago

Believe it or not, but I also am a leftist. Social democrat.

I say a lot of bad stuff though. Like: old people that did not have kids, should have less pension and use the money they have been saving up by not having kids.

This is seen as insane, but.. old people are the wealthiest class in most societies.

Yes there are exceptions and these people need help. High minimum pension for sure. They need a decent life.

But why would I want someone who didn't even have a kid to replace themselves as productive entity to gain a fantastic passive income on top of their already passive income generating assets?

a compromise would be something as simple as: retired person above age 65 gets +amount of euros per working child in insert home country.

It would incentivise having kids.

The reaction I get usually is that it's inhumane, that people are seen as production houses only, that people don't wanna be born... A lot of doomer stuff to be honest.

It would be fun if there's a place where you can only deny an idea if you can replace it with your own solution to the issue. In this case "aging population" (popular issue in Belgium right now)

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Allero 4 points a year ago

I fail to see advantages over the expansion of direct support for families with kids.

If such families would be adequately supported, parents wouldn't be so financially disadvantaged and this would automatically resolve the issue of assets as well.

Paying it as part of pensions on the condition of children working in the home country makes people's finances directly reliant on the actions of independent actors (their adult children) and punishes people who, for example, cannot have children in the first place due to medical reasons, lack of a partner, etc. It also doesn't bring financial support when it's needed the most.

And relying on asset accumulation and personal investments as a source of pension funding is quite odd to me to begin with, as salaries don't always reflect the good done for society (for example, public sector work is often paid more poorly, despite bringing maximum value for the state), and also because personal investments cannot be done with the same precision, competence and risk management as the funds do (and even if you invest in funds, they take a cut). I believe asset accumulation should be minimized in favor of public support nets (including decent pensions and good living conditions for everyone).

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Wanpieserino -1 points a year ago

These families already are adequately supported. We need to find a way to guide people into the actions we want them to do.

Like, they want me to stop using the car to work. Okay, they allow everyone at my hospital to use their taxes to pay for a commuting e bike. It's a financial incentive. (Don't worry I'm not a healthcare worker, just administration, I am not the right person to work with people in need).

Indeed there are exceptions and therefore exemptions. If a medical examination says that it's difficult for you or your partner to have children, then they'd be exempted of any punishment.

I don't think it's psychologically a smart move to punish not having kids, but to reward having kids. That's why I say "extra pension". (By behind closed doors reducing pensions in general first, but they don't know that).

Helping people that can't have kids... We could allocate resources to them to help them adopt a child. Something like that. Once again, psychologically it would help them accept this. People give them the option that nature didn't provide them.

We're competing against the funds actually. I own ETFs that tracks the Stoxx 600. It has a yearly expense of 0,07% while bank funds would take like 2% or whatever.

Personally I'm not even thinking about my pension, cannot know what will happen in 37 years so I'm definitely taking it into my two own hands to accumulate assets.

Now, I understand why a pension is desirable. It's a safety net. And I agree with that. High minimum pension for anyone who is unable to work due to old age. Just like for people who can't work for other reasons.

But as Belgian, I know a lot of people that try and take advantage of our social safety nets. For a lot of people it's not because they need it, but view it as an extra passive income while doing nothing.

That's damaging to the social democrats. We need to get rid of the abuse, the corruption. We need to motivate people to do effort and reward that. And we have. Minimum wage in Belgium is quite high. Income inequality is 0,26 gini. Median net wealth is 250k euros.

Motivating people to have kids is also a necessity. To live more together in the same household. To use fewer resources. Be economically sustainable in the long term.

People are scared in Belgium, everyone is retiring. We've been accepting a lot of immigrants to help us out with this. Luckily, second generation immigrants are tremendously helpful.

To have a meaningful social net, we do need a good amount of people that can work. That can be parents.

We need to motivate people. And everyone that really cannot help society with this, they are exempted of course.

My friend her parents never worked a day in their lives. It's absolutely normal. Her dad's disabled and her mom takes care of him.

But another guy "didn't work for 10 years cuz his knees hurt" while he randomly showed up at our hospital working, magically, when he'd lose his free passive income. He's doing a desk job. Like everyone else.

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queermunist 2 points a year ago

Then why do we keep arguing with each other?

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Wanpieserino -3 points a year ago

Liberals Vs tankies

Leftist infighting is what happens here.

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wpb 4 points a year ago

It's not leftist infighting if one side isn't leftist.

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Wanpieserino -2 points a year ago

Liberals are socially leftist. LGBTQ stuff, women empowerment, environment stuff, pro universal healthcare, ...

Personally I view american politics as right wingers compared to west Europe, but oh well.

They still are viewed as a hundred million people on this planet that vote for the left side of their country's politicians.

It's not that easy with USA. Bernie Sanders is likely the most left wing there. AOC likely the same.

Joe Biden was less left wing, but he still helped people out during the pandemic compared to what republican's would have done.

Here in Belgium you have more choice. You can choose between anti immigration, regionalists, liberals, Christian centrists, environmentalists, social democrats and Marxists.

Broader choice. Here in Belgium the left wing is considered environmentalists, social democrats and Marxists.

While liberals, although socially left wing, are economically right wing. Basically the party for the small entrepreneurs. The other right wing party is more for the multinationals. While the anti immigration party actually is quite socialist economically, but the same old "own people first" shit. It just so happens that being a conservative in Belgium means being somewhat of a socialist economically.

Pretty funny, there's not much difference between extreme right and extreme left here. Basically just.. is the socialist a racist or not lol

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queermunist 1 point a year ago

Hardly an echo chamber, then. Echos don't argue, they just repeat the same stuff back.

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Wanpieserino -3 points a year ago

Tankies go to .ml while liberals go to the other spaces. You don't really interact with eachother, there's several types of leftists etc.

I'm banned on several ml's and several liberal's.

They do not like people to talk back.

They moderate the places so that it works as an echo chamber. Mainly for leftists. Not many right wing people are coming towards Lemmy.

It's pretty silly, Lemmy is at one hand designed so that everyone can see eachother's content and opinions.

But at the other side, the spaces are moderated so that only their own opinions are allowed.

So there's a lot of polarisation instead of compromise.

Then you end up with extremists having power that wrecks havoc.

Compromise is the enemy of extremists. They love it that we separate ourselves so easily.

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