"No Kings Day" protests turn out millions, rebuking Trump | Our unofficial estimate is that around 4-6 million people attended a protest event yesterday. Anti-Trump resistance is outpacing 2017.
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This is a totally unfair and inaccurate comment. He already tore apart democracy when he deliberately incited jan 6th. Please give the megalomaniac appropriate credit in future
He tried his damndest to tear apart democracy back then too. It's just that there were still some safeguards in place, and people running things who weren't his sycophants. His first term would've gone exactly like this if he'd been able to. He wasn't a nuisance. He's an extremely dangerous man.
The fact that he can do all of this and face zero opposition within government and didn't even get punished once he was out of office (despite popular demand) kind of proves you didn't have a democracy to begin with.
Where was democracy when Bush's brother stole the election for him?
patriot act, citizens united. we went from one man one vote to one dollar one vote.
I attended my first protest yesterday, alone, while my wife watched my boy play at a park. Minus a couple of neckbeards in raised trucks sporting Confederate and tRump flags, it was a great experience. Lots of support from drivers as they passed by!
I was surprised at how many older people were there. No offense to anyone over 60 here, but until yesterday it felt like many older folks were fine with shit going down this way. I'm in a blue state, in a purple to blue location. I saw way more tRump shit last year than I had hoped to see.
I plan on making yesterday a regular event!
I had the same experience. First protest I’ve been to and besides one dude that drove by flipping everyone off and one crazy old dude with a “dems are pedos” sign (yes, with what’s happening in South Carolina literally right now, the irony was lost on this person), a very positive mood all around. Loads of folks driving by, waving and honking horns, some kids in attendance, and everybody getting along very well in support of a common cause.
I'm a firm believer that many in MAGA are under a spell. The only hope we have is helping them identify that brainwashing and welcome them back to humanity once they do. However, as I've discussed with my therapist, we can't force them. They have to want to change. It really starts with pushing them from the hateful rhetoric of Faux News and the like. That propaganda is a powerful funnel for their hate, vitriol, and lies. It's the hydra that we must slain if we are ever to fix this without more bloodshed.
I'll see you out there in solidarity with the others who still see humanity as a fighting cause. I bounce between hope and despair, but the bounce on the hope side doesn't seem to go as high as it used to.
That's interesting, I'm in a red state, purple location, and it was the other way around. The first 2 protests I went to in April (Hands Off and another one), it seemed like over 80% were (myself included) 50+ yo white people. Then yesterday I was happy to see lots more younger people and more ethnic diversity (though still whiter compared to proportion of the population). I saw more couples with their kids there too, and there were twice as many people overall.
You're a brave person. If I had a kid and a wife I would have thought twice. Which I'm sure you did. Thank you for your service. I hope you had a nice time with your family after. Feel proud. Be safe. I'd buy you a beer if I wasn't hundreds of miles away.
I appreciate the sentiment. I joined the Guard out of high school in 2004 to help my community and have a sense of purpose. Yesterday showed me that maybe it wasn't in vain. I hit a pretty low place this week so seeing some positive affirmations of human commradery was a welcomed sight.
Stay safe and stay hydrated. Much love from the midwest!
in my suburb the local stuff was sorta sad because it was mostly old, but granted younger folks are more likely to trek downtown.
We gotta keep the momentum up. History suggests the threshold for achieving change is a turnout of 3.5% (roughly 12 million active participants)
Turns out someone who looks like Luigi but is definitely not Luigi proved it takes only one death certificate to initiate change for scores of people
But nothing changed... Can you show a change in healthcare since? have acceptance rates gone up? premiums gone down?
Nothing changed.
Edit: Bunch of downvotes... but nobody can tell me anything that's changed... interesting isn't it?
Apart from all the claims that were suddenly approved or execs of other companies suddenly removing all personal info from websites?
Fear. Nothing meaningful will change until the rich fear for their lives, and we saw just how much they’re scrambling after 1 CEO.
Several health insurers reversed some of their latest shitty policies within days of the event. Like the one that would put a time limit in the anesthesia they'd pay for. That's an immediate course change from hundred billion dollar companies.
And Gandhi didn't do jack shit.
Only once violent resistance had forced the Brits away they went "oh by the way it was totally the guy who would have laid down in the street to be flattened by our tanks, in case anyone else wants to try it"
Gross over simplification and also false.
Edit, for those interested, there hadn't been violent mass resistance in India since the uprisings in 1857. While terrorism and assassinations continued, the Imperial intelligence services (which were one of the largest and most sophisticated in the world) effectively neutered and public opinion in Britain wasn't affected at all.
The Indian National Army which grew in WW2 with Japanese support certainly worried the Imperial governors but it had been obliterated during the botched invasion of India in 1944 and was never able to fully recover, despite strong support in some regions.
The now hugely powerful and well armed British Indian Army was another source of concern but there was no appetite among the officers for revolution and the ordinary soldiers had mixed loyalties.
Most of the violence within India at the time was actually between the Hindu majority and Muslim minority and not directed against British occupation in any large degree.
It was the non-violent passive opposition of Gandhi and the Quit India Movement, and crucially, the British violent crackdown of it, that shifted public opinion within Britain. Once Churchill was ousted, there was neither the public support, or the political desire for further defense of British rule in India and forced them to the negotiating table.
To say violence was what caused the British to pull out is factually incorrect and that the non violent resistance totalled "jack shit" is ignorant beyond belief.
They cared about their public image.
It only works when you are near an election, and the election are coming. This administration is working on a different path: at least one year before the next election and is actively working to make sure (fair) elections might not happen anymore
The cited scenarios were rarely democratic in nature.
Of course, in all the scenarios cited, there was no one telling them "get to 3.5% and things will happen", so with everyone saying "if we get to 3.5%, things will happen", that could itself break the "rule", as a sort of self-denying prophecy.
What do you suppose happens at this magic threshold? I'll give you a hint- it's nothing. We still have to do the work to actually make a difference. Protesting and building momentum is good, but we can't just wait until we hit this magic threshold and pretend that will fix everything and rest on our laurels.
This
Anyone else remember how the Women's March saved reproductive rights? Of course not, and now women are dying in Texas because doctors are afraid they'll be arrested for murder if they treat them for life threatening conditions.
Are you sure? Cause it was pretty damn big
Way way too much stock is placed in that study.
For one, their total sample size was only 323 events, only 3 of which met the "3.5%" level. So the statement that change is inevitable based on only 3 instances is really crazy.
Further, none of those three instances had participants thinking that 3.5% was some sort of goal, it was a correlation. So now you have a lot of protestors treating 3.5% as a goal rather than some organic emergent property of the broader movement. Even if there was something inevitable about having a 3.5% participation rate when no one is aware of that metric, simply knowing of the metric can change a lot.
Yea I think you can have 35% of the country at the steps of the White House , Trump ain’t stepping down
Now if only those same 4-6 million people would go on general strike until the government is forced to resign and trigger new elections.
Agreed. I think a lot of people in light red and purple areas probably had my same experience of being really surprised at the amount of support there was. The occupy protest in my city was like three dudes in two tents. The No Kings protests stretched for three city blocks and we got a ton of enthusiastic responses (and only, like, three counter protests that I saw) from people driving through. I never ever would have imagined that kind of turnout and support in this town, and I found myself feeling really encouraged that there's a lot more local support for resisting this bullshit than I estimated.
Unrealistic. No politician is going to voluntarily give up their job. Instead aim for making them quake in their boots and afraid they will lose their job in a year and a half if they don't hold Trump accountable for his constitutional violations. Make them oust Mike Johnston as Speaker and elect someone less radical at the very least.
Edit: all that is needed is for a handful of Republicans to defect from the party line and it's kowtow to Trump. Oh, and for the Democrats to stop cowering in the corner and step up to do their fucking job. Not sure which is the harder prospect.
I attended the Warped Tour 30th anniversary festival in DC instead of giving Trumps dumbass military parade any attention. Does that count as a protest?
And DC was barricading the shit out of the parade route the day before, almost expecting a riot to occur.
Trump was begging for violence yesterday. Any excuse to send troops in. He got jack shit. It was a good day.
I love America and its service men and women. They deserve a parade and acknowledgment. But not a parade masked as a tyrants bday.
thats fine but then screw the equipment and uniforms. Appreciate them as people.
Okay but here me out, a military parade where they can wear anything they want so long as it was at some point a uniform of their branch. IE if someone in the Navy wants to dress in a Barbary war era uniform let them. I want to see what bullshit people could dig up.
Yeah, the city of DC tried hard to ignore his stupid parade. Instead they protested peacefully. <3
This has been the fifth major organized protest this year, each has been much larger than the last. There will definitely be another one within the next month or two. Keep an eye on 50501 for details to stay in the loop.
Don’t worry, that one won’t be good enough for some people either! 🙄
It absolutely is not good enough.
Then get offline and go do whatever it is you think is better.
Damn, we were ALL convinced we only needed to do it once.
So, I attended my local protest. 9/10 experience, had a blast and also realized that being anti-Trump and keeping our republic is a waaaaaaaay more popular position (even in my light red area) than I thought it was. The local police department has its priorities straight and they didn't show up to the protest at all, so there were zero problems with law enforcement. The only thing keeping it from being a 10/10 was what I didn't see:
Clear demands. This was what happened with Occupy. It generated a lot of buzz and got tons of attention, and when they finally asked the protestors "what are your demands?", the answer was basically "idk, everything sucks. Make it stop sucking". We need some clear, hard, attainable demands or we're just going to repeat Occupy.
Organizing. There was almost no organizing happening, no outreach or recruiting for or between political, advocacy, or support groups. People showed up and left with no additional contacts, commitments, or follow ups. That is a wasted opportunity.
Yeah, I love the no kings energy but we need to turn it into political action. Every politician who isn't on board needs to fear for their job. Both Republican and Democrat alike. David Hogg has the right idea.
Initially, wasn't Occupy a protest about the post-recession bank bailouts? Then the production team for Good Morning America put a self-proclaimed representative of Occupy, a "female-presenting person" named Ketchup, in the studio to ask them questions about it, and they had no media coaching whatsoever.
This is a bit OT from the main point of the article, but since they brought it up and used the standard "The worst ratings for any president!!!1! hype [always with qualifying statement like "at this point in their term"| "since some convenient year"]
Trump’s approval in our polling average is 44% today, the worst for any president at this point in their term (except Trump during his first term) going back to 1935.
It's 44% today, 44% yesterday, and 44% tomorrow. It's always in the low-mid forties (40-45%). It's steady as a rock, no matter what happens. Yet I'm continuously seeing articles titled "Trump's ratings nosedive/plummet/crash!" whenever it fluctuates down by a point or two (never "Trump's ratings skyrocket!" when it goes back up a point). It's all for feel-good propaganda.
This is just to say, don't depend on his followers to turn their backs on him--they won't. It's up to the rest of us.
At the end of this term, George W Bush had around 30% approval. By that point, his administration had so obviously failed in multiple avenues that even Republicans were disowning him. By mid 2009, the Tea Party was pretending they weren't the same exact people who supported his every major action in the first place.
That 30% number can be taken as close to an absolute floor of support for any sitting President.
Yep, and Trump has never been anywhere near that low or ever will be, no matter what he does. It's a cult of true believers. Only a tiny fraction of his voters have had misgivings since the 2nd term started, not enough to sway his approval ratings by more than a percentage point. IOW anyone who would stop supporting him because of his criminal behavior already did. The remainder are all in on what he's doing and love him. The fact that it's such a high percentage of our population is what bothers me as much as anything else about this.
It's no longer fun and games #resist bullshit. We are on the brink of a civil war/revolution. Many more people are realizing this.
Not to sound ungrateful, but where were these people on election day?
The ones I was with had voted early, and were out canvassing. The kids were under 18.
That said, a lot of people are sufficiently disconnected from the news that they didn't get how much worse Trump would be this time.
Let's hope we can keep it up this time. Americans in social movements are famous for a big countdown, then no blastoff.
Oh you sweet summer children.
A geriatric protest LMAO 🤣
Wait. Are there people just mad because they don't understand computers? Oof 😅
Anyway best place to resist is cast your vote. Like in election day
Bit late for that
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Whatever you need to tell yourself to justify your preferred mode of sitting on your ass and doing nothing.
Justification:
I don't live in the States.
Result:
sitting on your ass and doing nothing [while complaining online about how other people are not doing enough]
What's the minimum something worth waking you up over?
wake me up when something comes of it.
I don’t live in the States.
What is the point of posting that then? Are you being paid to suppress opposition to the regime by by fomenting hopelessness or apathy, or is trying to discourage people during a time of crisis in their country just for your own amusement or ego-stroking.
Things lead to more things, and it starts with people coming together, organizing, and protesting. The Trump+Christian Nationalist regime wants us to shut up and sit down, to nip any resistance in the bud. You're helping them.
What is the point of posting that then? Are you being paid to suppress opposition to the regime by by fomenting hopelessness or apathy, or is trying to discourage people during a time of crisis in their country just for your own amusement or ego-stroking.
If you guys want to take action and fight, I'll join you. I'm British-Canadian. I'm always in for a good White House burning.
If you want to wave stupid signs that change nothing, I'll point and laugh.
LOL.
Americans and their hubris got them in this situation and now they think the same will get them out.
Enjoy your death camps, Bubba Joe.
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I sure hope its outpacing it. in 2017 he was a nuissance but now he is tearing apart out democracy.
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