For all the Trump administration’s talk of saving money and increasing “government efficiency,” the president demanded that huge amounts be appropriated in the Republicans’ recent budget bill to fund his mass-deportation program.
In all, $170 billion was set aside to be spent over the next four years for border and immigration enforcement. This total includes $45 billion to create a sprawling detention system (nearly five times the annual budget for the Bureau of Prisons), $30 billion for ICE operations, $46.6 billion for more border wall construction, and, as if that weren’t enough, a new $10 billion border patrol slush fund.
This level of funding is unprecedented. ICE is now the highest-funded law enforcement agency in the country. And that fact raises a question: What exactly are they going to do with all that money?
it's true that our current situation is a disaster. it does not diminish the fact that an even bigger disaster is being constructed while we process and attempt to repair this disaster. the old ice agents are bad, evil, and cruel, but they were also all recruited under a different framing of what ICE is supposed to be. the new ones will have absolutely no compunctions, no reservations, and no hesitations.
They were recruited to round up brown people, whom they regard as criminal. That's true of the new group and was true of ice and cbp agents recruited under previous administrations.
Yup, combined with the EO from Friday allowing for involuntary civil commitment, more and more people outside latinos are going to start disappearing. I'm just waiting for them to consider having liberal views a mental disorder.
They are going to go after trans people.
Is anyone going to do anything when we start being committed?
Short of hijacking a bulldozer and driving it through the exterior walls of these detention centers at risk of getting myself killed, I legit don't know what to do with anything at this point.
Please, don't wait, tell everyone you know IRL who's in that position to make 'arrangements for travel out of country'.
My options are driving either straight south or north and trying to sneak across the border. We aren’t recognized as qualifying for refugee status, I’ve been applying for jobs but I don’t know if I’ll be able to get anything, I don’t know how I would afford to move.
Can you elaborate on this more, please? I'm not familiar with EO's declaration regarding involuntary commitment, but if it means what I think it does, it's a sea change. Where did you first hear/read about it, and what was the verbiage exactly?
Thanks, very much appreciated.
I just put the words 'executive order involuntary commitment' into my search engine of choice and found multiple news articles covering this. I have every faith that you can do the same.
This is going to be a fucking American Kristallnacht for Latinos
And they voted for it.
Trump or not, this country is in deep shit.
Dunno, I've seen quite a few Spanish second names on that site people link here in comments.
I'd say it's going to be a problem for everyone, but not like Kristallnacht. That was, a reminder, SA public action, rather artistic, in line with the Nazi official policy. A show.
Though one can say today's elites love a good show too, I won't repeat again that thing about impression economy I've read about from Cory Doctorow, I think. I think in line with that some Nazi approaches are possible. That's what they did with Gaza and Alawites in Syria (no way this was without Israel's and US and EU approval, just no way).
But - impressions also were a big thing then. Radio just became popular. Olympic games. Automobiles gaining popularity. Airships. Electric lighting. Radiola, pianola, such various automatons using radio and punchcards. Tabulating machines that Nazis used for their population census.
That wasn't just goons given right to do whatever (they were in Nazi Germany too, but that was small stuff - once a few dozen times someone failed to say "Sieg Heil" they might have been beaten or even killed by a Nazi, and in general Nazis were openly against any kind of due process, - all that "fanatisch, total und radikal" stuff about just vibing through grotesque cruelty and aggression, they were LARPing a tribe, after all, - so acts of random cruelty were normal).
So yes, the time is similar in some way. But when thinking that, let's also remember that in the 30s many people would think Hitler is the future in Britain and in USA, and in east Asia that old impression still holds.
The steel monsters that broke this one's back were too not nice, but they did the job and learned some of the lessons.
We are going to see some real Abu Graib type shit in no time at all with the culture of abuse and rushed training. But will any of the immovable 40% who voted for this start to question our embrace of cruelty on a national level? Meh...Look at the baubles!
Yeah, the govt spun the story of Abu Ghraib as being a few bad apples that didn't represent American values. And of course it's bullshit, because it's so incredibly predictable what outcomes you will get from doing things like this. Torture and abuse are American values, because that is what America consistently and repeatedly engages in.
I think you're overdramatizing it. Humans do shit when they can. The secret to prevention is to make so that they can't. Not to make them promise they won't. Not to pick "good" people who "certainly" won't. Not to say many words how the wide masses will riot if they will.
Just make it so that they can't. If they can, they will.
This total includes $45 billion to create a sprawling detention system (nearly five times the annual budget for the Bureau of Prisons)
Now why would they need such a big budget for concentration camps if they're deporting the illegal immigrants? Seems like a big waste to build all those facilities and have them sit empty after the job is done.
Or is it more likely they're going to start rounding up other people too? Trump just announced they're going to go after homeless and mentally ill people. And we know they consider trans people to be a danger to themselves and gay/bi as deviants. We've also seen a rise on attacks against political opponents. Trump even wants to charge Obama with treason.
This is exactly the Nazi playbook from the 30s. And the American public is letting him do it.
For comparison, the Trump Admin just approved a 5000 bed tent camp at Fort Bliss in El Paso, TX. The contract was awarded to Acquisition Logistics for $1.26B.
That's $252k per bed. There's easily enough money there to build single family homes for every one of them, and even that would be wasteful. (And yes, even in high cost of living areas, the sheer scale involved would almost certainly bring costs below that number).
When we say "the cruelty is the point", this is why. There's a lack of other explanations for their actions.
To not be American and watch this all unfold truly shows us what Americans are all about. Around the globe we've listened for a long time about how dominant they are in everything but when it comes to standing up for themselves and their fellow man, they sit down.
"Land of the Brave"
They are already constructing a 30,000 bed facility at Guantanamo. The EO was signed, and the $250 million contract awarded, months ago, with absolutely no peep from the media, then or since.
For context, Guantanamo currently has a capacity for up to about 250 people. The average maximum security prison in America holds around 800-1200 people. The largest prison in America is in Angola, LA, and holds about 8000.
So this new facility will hold almost 4 times as many as our biggest prison, and about 30 times more than our average prison. Guantanamo is in a remote corner of Cuba, so if they are so hot to deport all the illegals, who do they intend to house there, out of sight of the courts, their lawyers, and the media?
I suspect it will be AMERICAN political prisoners - media, opposition candidates, protest organizers, loudmouth celebrities, etc.
This is exactly the Nazi playbook from the 30s. And the American public is letting him do it.
Technically this is American playbook. Between USA and Germany one country doesn't have a history of facilities for returning slaves to their owners.
But honestly I'd expect these and other people to do whatever they want until stopped.
They have the technology for a concentration camp of the future, with such a degree of control that it can be relied to guard itself and arm its owners. They are using it. Want to fix something - look for holes.
Look on the bright side! All this money is going to be contracted out to companies that these new oligarchs control, and by the time they funnel most of the money to their wallet only a handful of new prisons will actually get built. We will have to hope the grift can get in the way of the the new Holocaust that Stephen Miller is planning,
It's not the bright side, I live in Russia, so many people here thought that it won't start a big war because with all the corruption it can't prepare well enough.
It doesn't need to prepare well enough, LOL, it did that anyway.
Just like with your things. However much they'll steal, I think they'll do the prisons too. Worse and more expensive, but yeah.
See, when a prison hasn't been built, it's not their problem in a holocaust scenario. It's the problem of the prisoners who'll be crammed like sardines into spaces intended for smaller amount. Or kept under open-sky tent camps. Or something else.
Stephen Miller
PeeWee Himmler
This part appears to be untrue
This is how they will do their kristelnacht (day of the rope)
They are gathering data on all of us
That is what the army is for
Night of Broken Glass, dude
My bad
It’s from The Turner Diaries. If you follow Stormfront/4chan spaces, they specifically want the day of the rope. In the novel, it’s described how they hang “race traitors.”
It's Kristallnacht, Christel has nothing to do with any of this.
It's too bad a doxxing website for ICE would get shut down easily or the operators disappeared...
...otherwise I'd totally create it.
Right? You could even use the domain
People should start following bros back to their operating centers then following them home. Create a catalog publicly showing their homes to the public. See how that goes for them SS officers.
When I worked for DoD. This was CBP and Other three letter groups biggest fears. Having their private lives invaded.
When I worked for DoD. This was CBP and Other three letter groups biggest fears. Having their private lives invaded.
Might be unwise to frighten them before you have something to substantiate that fear with, they have weapons and an organization.
Cause frightening them without such basis is how you accelerate fascism. They would want to just enjoy their newly gotten power and - for the top - stolen money, but fear compels them to also press against threats to that.
Like after Bolotnaya protests in Moscow the Russian regime started doing various crap with increased tempo. They might not even have attacked Ukraine without it.
We know what they want to do with the money because we saw WWI and WWII; create an army directly responsive to the president to facilitate ethnic cleansing and usher in eugenics.
Someone else posted this in a comment thread. Just want to make it more visible....
It's almost like Trump wants to make his own personal army that takes orders from him alone.
Hmmm 🤔
First, as if proud boys aren’t already IcE members. Not that I have proof, but I would be very surprised if someone proofed that no ICE members sees themselves as a proud boy.
Second, wasn’t it clear from the beginning, that with ICE, an American version of SS was created?!
(For those who don’t know German Nazis and Hitler: SS was the private army of Hitler making sure that nobody attacks Hitler’s ideology from inside)
History always repeats itself, and it is infuriating…
Honestly, the sooner the better. Americans need to be made undeniably aware that this administration and the party that supports it is fine with using lethal force on American citizens. The sooner that wake up call happens, the less entrenched this fascist regime will be when Americans finally decide to act.
I wonder what measures they'll be taking to filter out a would-be saboteur? Would be really hard if the target is to hire 10k people.
Time to buy firearms and start training.
Help everyone you know purchase firearms and help them train.
Form networks.
I'm a former gun salesman, and while I don't condone pre-emptive violence, I am happy to advise people about the process of purchasing a firearm and selection of a first firearm for hunting, recreation, or self-defense.
The biggest piece of advice for a beginner on a budget is to get something affordable but reliable over something overly fancy and expensive. Put the savings on the firearm into ammo for training. A $400 Canik plus a few thousand rounds of training ammo is more effective at making you a good shooter than a $1500 pistol and a single box of ammo.
I have a $7000 custom precision rifle with a $3500 optic on top. With my years of experience, I can shoot about 1% better than with a $700 rifle/scope combo.
I'm glad you posted this. You are 100% correct. Cheaper, but still quality firearm and a ton of ammo is the best route.
For what its worth, if anyone has any questions about firearms or how to get started, feel free to ask. I was in the Marines for 9 years and one of my jobs was as a rifle and pistol coach. I dont know everything, but I know somthings and I am still an avid shooter and gun owner.
.308 SBR’s to the rescue.
.308 is expensive.
You want to know what else is expensive? Body armor.
The marines ran into this issue a while back. A lot of causalities were caused by groin shots. The chest armor they were wearing was fine for stopping 7.62, but they’d get tagged in the pelvis and bleed out anyway.
Now the marines have crotch armor too, but that’s also expensive and uncomfortable to wear.
Just a little tidbit.
hopefully it leads to moles getting in.
I'm wondering how long until the ICE agents who drag me off are all on H1-B visas.
It's looking pretty catastrophic, the future. The climate catastrophe, the AGI singularity, and techno-feudal fascism are all imminent. Then, less imminent there's the altered nuclear threat, antibiotic resistance, societal collapse (due to all of the above, plus unprecedented wealth inequality) to name a few.
Revolution in some form is inevitable, but it's not guaranteed to be effective in making things better.
We're about nine historical turning points deep already, but I think the big ones are yet to come and I hate it.
Don't be silly. They're morons. Of course they'll choose moral superiority regarding a conflict on the other side of the planet before considering the wellbeing of their own nation. Especially when doing so ALSO brings about the worst possible outcome for that foreign conflict they claim to care so much about.
These people can't tie their shoe laces. Don't expect them to vote more intelligently (or at all) next time around.
If you think that's bad, imagine the kind of fuckups who would nominate someone that'd campaign so terribly that they couldn't wipe the floor with him (four times in a row!)
You're not going to do anything about people not being able to bring themselves to vote for genocide, but you might be able to get the DNC not to tell its own base to fuck off.
This is true.
You cannot change an idiot. But you can change the way you approach idiots.
But I'll still always, forever, view those idiots as world class idiots. Because they are.
Looks like it wouldn't have made a difference either way.
I don't know how many times I have to point this out.
It doesn't matter if it made the difference or not.
The people who stayed home or voted 3rd party had no clue whether they were going to make the difference when they did what they did.
They do not deserved to be absolved because it didn't happen to end up making a difference. They are fools who gambled with our nation's wellbeing.
Red Hat losers
The ICE agent's comin', the sun's zoomin' in
Meltdown expected, the wheat is growin' thin
Engines stop runnin', but I have no fear
'Cause 'Murica's drownin' and I ... I live by the river
Ok, I have some fear.
Sure, just don't be shocked if your victim decides "If the only way to defend my family is to blow this fed's head off with a shotgun, I'll take it."
Probably doesn't end well for that person, but you'll still be dead and distinctly not supporting your family anymore. Hopefully the conservative gofundme can tide them over.
Honestly, I'd do that for fun if the opportunity presented itself.
If anyone sees Nazis getting killed and thinks "those poor Nazis!! They have families!" They're a shit person. Genuinely all Nazis can kill themselves today, thanks.
If that makes you want to vote for trump ANY more than you do now, you can also kill yourself.
Times are tough, but that doesn't excuse becoming a fascist's foot soldier. Join a union, organise, protest, fight for a better life, become politically active. You still have the pretence of democracy in America, use it.
Times are tough, we all could use a helping hand
Troubles weighing on your mind, quickly sinking in this sand
Thinking thoughts about your future, trapped on this hellish land
I heard that death is what happens while you're making other plans
Looking 'round for help, may as well dig the grave yourself
Make your way out of the hole you made, you've got to save yourself
You've got to save your self
Run, run, run, you ain't never gonna win
Looking right, looking left, or at her, or at him
You ain't never gonna be anything that you wanna be
If you play it safe and place your real dreams under lock and key
Yeah, no one's gonna help you 'cause this world is so cold
And it likes to make examples out of all the brave and boldBut you've got to carry forward, can't afford to lose your soul
You don't look around for help, you've got to do it on your own
You've got to save... your... self
Fight, fight, fight, just as hard as you can
Change your luck, change your style, change the cards in your hand
I know life's getting peak, it's a mountain to climb
With the worry in your heart and that doubt on your mind
Yeah, no one's gonna help you 'cause this world is so cold
And it likes to make examples out of all the brave and bold
But you've got to carry forward, can't afford to lose your soul
You don't look around for help, you've got to do it on your own
You've got to save... your... self
Save yourself!
"If I have no others way to [...] I would totally work in the Auschwitz showers".
Since we're this low on morality I'm sure you can also get a job in the Russian military or in the IDF. Who wouldn't mind stomping on some babies as long as you get some minor checks?
As, eh, someone living in Russia - comparisons of the Russian military with the IDF are at this point unjust. It fights a war of aggression, and it does that the Soviet way, which is imprecise and costly in lives of civilians. But it doesn't intentionally starve a whole city, shooting at those coming for aid it pretends to provide and intent on "deporting" them entirely.
Just to make it clear, the whole situation sucks, and there is a right and a wrong side, but not comparable with Gaza.
Oh no, I agree. There is no more evil entity than the IDF and Israel and it's not even close. USA would come in second.. The reason I chose Russia - other than being of the conviction that it's 100% a war of aggression started by Putin to stay in power - is the story of that American dad who joined the Russian army to "escape wokeness" and has now deservedly died.
Keep up that enthusiasm. I'm sure it'll look great when you explain that you did it for the money when you're on trial for crimes against humanity.
When sanity was restored, we hanged the Nazis. Don't think ICE will be any different when the Trump regime falls. "Just following orders" or "I needed to feed my family" are not valid excuses.
I will try stay out of poverty personally, but I doubt trump era may end any time soon. USA economy will only get worse, which makes voters even more xenophobic, and law and democracy are fading fast too.
Funny fact about a cage, they're never built for just one group. So when that cage is done with them and you're still poor, it come for you.
Honestly if I have no other ways to feed myself and family, I will take it.
Found the fascist.
good thing you and the people who did sign up have other options.
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Disaster in the making? It's already a fucking disaster. ICE agents have been granted additional slack above and beyond that already extended to normal cops, who frequently abuse it. This is going to be a fucking American Kristallnacht for Latinos, with more groups set to follow in the wake of these broad constitutional and legal abuses.
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