Who will explain the concept of a plotter to you?
Plotters are awesome.
Like a printer, but with pens.
Wait shit I just use one as a printer for bigass drawings. I didn’t realize it used a pen
Could one not just copy a chat got essay by hand?
Can't jack off, play league, and write your homework with just two hands
This is why the first popular body mod will be more hands (also you can then designate hands for clean and "dirty" work)
That would actually help to learn the subject
Sounds like a disability act lawsuit waiting to happen tbh. Some of us have very poor fine motor skills or worse and would be severely disadvantaged by having to do even short hand written assignments..
If someone actually had a disability, they wouldn't have to do it or would be given other accommodations. That's basically how it was for thousands of years before people had word processors.
Yeah, except many schools don't have the tools to properly do such accommodation, meaning that the students with disabilities are inevitably left behind.
Especially the ones like me with hard to detect disabilities such as ADHD who would have to fight tooth and nail to get their disability acknowledged in the first place and then to convince them of the fact that ADHD, while being mainly mental, DOES significantly impair fine motor skills used for hand writing.
Lemmy accidentally deleted my comment right before I was going to post it, I had to rewrite it.
I've fought for years to get accommodations that I was legally obligated to, (504 Plan) fought with a school, (they were actively refusing to give accommodations, illegally) for 3 years, before giving up and switching schools.
The next couple of schools I tried were not well equipped to provide accommodations, albeit not malicious, (in one case not telling anyone until two months in)
Even after I finally got what I was legally owed, I still had to put up with often writing assignments by hand, (I have fine motor coordination disorder, as the commenter above mentioned), including an entire test. (One of the end of year ones for my sophomore year)
I also have CAPD, which allowed me to skip taking Spanish class, after two years of fighting for it. (I failed the first year of Spanish for obvious reasons, I had to retake it the next year.) (This was at the first school, I don't know why I was able to get this accommodation but not the others, I was in middle school)
Germany traditionally is quite shocking in their practice of segregating children with disabilities into special Förderschulen. Whereas the U.S. has the Individual’s with Disabilities Education Act since the 1970s, Germany was basically forced into integration recently after the country signed the U.N. Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities in 2009. And even then, they are taking their sweet time to integrate. See e.g. https://www.aktion-mensch.de/... as how currently, slightly less than half of German students with disabilities go to a regular school (the Inklusionsanteil).
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Fun fact, fine motor skills are taught differently in different countries. In some countries, children spend a considerable time improving their writing skills and even the less gifted reach a reasonable level. Of course, I am not talking about children with central nervous system or physical disabilities.
Also, spending so much time on fine motor skills reduces their ability to work in other, somewhat more relevant skills.
I'm not talking about students who haven't done their cursive exercises, I'm talking about students with disabilities making hand writing inherently much more difficult than for other students, especially the ones who'd have to fight tooth and nail to prove it because their handicap is generally thought to be "only mental" in spite of being more complex, like ADHD.
They want you to hand copy what ChatGPT outputs and turn it in? That's a terrible response to AI. If they want to hold you accountable, they should have you write it right there in front of them.
Ok, so hand copy all your assignments from ChatGPT all semester and I, the instructor, will count them as 50 percent of your final grade. The other 50 percent is based on a hand-written final essay written in class. How do you think you will do?
I am old so all of my formal university education was completed decades ago, but people cheated back then too and in my experience it's usually way more effort than it's worth as opposed to just doing the work and coming out with the skills you'll need to be successful at the next level.
That's my dreary little bit of moralizing for the day.
Now you're sounding like Elon Musk demanding that people who work better from home return to Tesla offices..
Only worse, since you also want to add an extra anxiety-inducing and impractical layer of in-person surveillance 🤦
This has nothing to do with work from home policies. I also don't know how to approach the concept that completing schoolwork in school is "in person surveillance" and not just "schoolwork"
If you’re wondering if this is more work than writing the actual essay, we don’t talk about that here.
"Stuff made here" has a video where he fools around with that idea. Worth checking out imo
Its much more difficult than that to be actually believable. As u/Luftruessel said, theres a great video from “Stuff Made Here” where he goes deep inside the topic and tries to fool a graphologist.
Why is it writing German words with "ae" instead of the umlaut (ä)? That makes sense, if you're typing on a keyboard, but ChatGPT should be capable of outputting umlauts and it shouldn't be difficult either, to make that 3D printer place two dots above an "a"...
Maybe he is swiss, they have some weird quirks. Like they don't do the ß either I believe. Maybe they don't use Umlaute. I'd ask them, but I can't understand them when they talk. That is not even a joke.
We dont use ae as ä. We also use Umlauts :)
The only orthographic difference is not using ß.
There are more differences but they are in the vocabulary. The Swiss use a lot of French words. Velo instead of Fahrrad, Trottoir instead of Bürgersteig, Cheminée instead of Kamin, Porte-Monnaie instead of Brieftasche, Camion instead of Lastkraftwagen, and so on.
It also ignored the "ü" in "für" completely and wrote "fr" instead. This is just stupid. Like fr?
The saddest part of this is you probably learned more setting this up than if you had done the homework. You learned how to use ai text, a 3d printer, set it all up, and produce a viable result.
In my view, this is not sad. It's just that education needs to incorporate parts of these new technologies into it. Technology is the future if education still wants you to write with a pen on paper then they are being outdated pretty fast.
Some of them are. My former high school/trade school redesigned their library from half books half computers to one third books one third comouters one third 3D printing, laser etching and poster printing.
There are some programs that focus on those things but it's free for any student there to use no matter the trade they go there for. I wish I had it when I was there!
Be me in high school. We’re in meth class learning about random numbers and probabilities. The teacher says “in your calculator, random number is likely written rand()”. So I go into the Casio programmable calculator and start coding instead of listening to the lesson. Teacher noticed I’m not looking and calls me out. Threaten a detention and asks what I have been doing. “I made a gambling game” — teacher comes over to see. I had made a rice rolling game. You’d start with $100 and bet on rolls ( you could chose 1 or 2 die or coin toss). Bell rings and all my friends come lining up for me to transfer the program to their calculators with the transfer cable (a micro TRRS cable).
Little did they know there is a “virus” that I’d you land on snake eyes, the program launches an infinite loop, printing pages and page of space characters and the calculator is really slow at typing and print commands can’t be interrupted other than resetting the calculator and loosing all your programs.
Y'all silly. They already have machines that write stuff out for you with pens and stuff. And markers, too.
I have one! A Cricut. But there are more kinds out there.
Stuff Made Here is an absolute treasure
It probably wouldn't be too difficult to have an ai analyze someone's handwriting pattern, then replicate it and feed that into a 3d printer or cnc.
This one probably. I do remember this video of someone actually making one that a professional forgery expert flat out said was convincing enough that he would have believed it was handwriting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQO2XTP7QDw
So, first you need to learn how to set up the printer, then fetch the bot produced text, review (hopefully), load it to the printer, run a test to determine it every part is working, run the "print", review it...
I'd risk doing it yourself would be quicker
The first time maybe
If they know "how to set up the printer, then fetch the bot produced text, review (hopefully), load it to the printer, run a test to determine it every part is working, run the "print", review it..."
Then I'd say they are more prepared for the future they're inheriting than their peers that have to study and learn how to rig this bad boy up.
But anyway it's just a gag so...
You aren't wrong, in part at least, but I guarantee you that the person who doesn't have to set this thing up because they can quickly process information and produce compelling content on their own, without the aid of an LLM, will have a cognitive and competitive advantage in life. This may not be obvious when you are young and still in school.
yeah but is it as fun?
Hear me out:
Run a script remotely when you're teacher is giving your homework!
Pyramiden sind [?]auwerken
in Aegypten & Nordafrika.
Grabstaetten fr Pharaonen & Familien
Bekannteste Cheo...
Pyramids are [?] architectural works
in Egypt & North Africa.
Tombs for Pharaohs and [their] families.
The most famous Cheo...
The author replaced the missing Ä/ä in the stroke font with Ae/ae, which is only used in German in URLs, usernames and other places that don’t allow diacritics. However, the ü in für is still missing. This could only pass as handwritten notes at a glance even if the font replicates one’s handwriting perfectly. However, this is unlikely to be a real assignment for anyone over 12 years old (which I assume the author is because of the effort of repurposing a 3D printer and syncing up the lines) given that the answer is basically a Wikipedia page summary.
If I were a teacher and saw that every duplicate handwritten letter looked very similar to the last few, I'd definitely either assume you have some form of OCD (or something of similar nature) or are using an "AI" chatbot and some writing tool to write for you and would probably wanna see you at some point to ask about it.
Only acception might be if a student uses one of those writing tools because of accessibility issues when it comes to writing.
I mean, you could install a character pack that has variation and then there is nothing they can do about it.
I think a few years back I've seen articles about AI that can mimic your handwriting, including errors.
Edit: Could be this
The text turned out by the algorithm created by Tom Haines and his fellow UCL researchers is authentic enough that human judges are unable to tell the difference.
Also, 2016 was 7 years ago? Damn.
It's actually a lot harder than you think. Stuff I Made here tried it. Fun little video.
Came here to link this. Your doing good work.
Honestly, if teachers are going to continue assigning stupid homework that can be completed by chatgpt then they have no excuse.
Homework is so pointless anyway. If a student needs to revise work to properly learn it. They should be trusted to just study independently or when needed be helped by the teacher.
Depends on the age, in college my homework was like a check mark for 10% of my grade. Ignore it at your peril. In middle school you gotta see they are actually doing some work before you flunk them.
I can't remember the last time I had mandatory college HW, it was class work then "if you wanna do this to help you can then we can go over next class" work, it wasn't graded and only suited yourself to learn
STEM has a lot of homework. They basically make it hard as fuck and encourage people to collaborate on it. They check to make sure what you wrote vaguely resembles homework and put a check mark on it.
Depends what kind of homework. A huge portion of school is just there to learn how to learn. Learn how to teach yourself something. Getting the fundamental basics of knowledge and how to tackle subjects that are strange, foreign, boring.
Some things you'll have to learn by yourself. Students between 5 - 14 are just not there to learn vocabulary, basic maths, etc. on their own. It gives every student the chance to do it at their own pace, find their own way how to learn and understand it best, using the tools they learned during class.
That the execution of this theory is not the best (especially in certain countries) is obvious, however, I think without homework I would have no tools nowadays to get into a new, complicated topic without being tutored/ guided all the way through.
Fun fact: it was invented by Roberto Nevilis, who did it to punish students who didn't understand much of the content/did not want to understand much of the content. However I suppose he didn't expect teachers to use this globally.
I do agree with your points above and who knows, maybe chatgpt will finally force schools to be reinvented and remade for the next generation to be more engaging.
I wrote my own software and used commercial plotter (from 90s - it is way faster than 3d printer) in order to achieve result that can make teacher believe that it was written. In my language it is required for letters to be connected when handwritten (my program does it), there are different variations for each letter that are stretched and rotated during generation (I used pen tablet in order to input them)
It was written mostly when I was in 10-11th grade (that's why the code is spaghetti) and I indeed wasted much more time than I would if I did my homework like a normal person
Btw here is repo: https://github.com/Snow4DV/3DWriter
I love how we will work for hours to invent something that will save us minutes of work.
@mod_pp nobody is safe
Bravo, that assignment gets an A+ with demonstrating why scripts are made
So, first you need to learn how to set up the printer, then fetch the bot produced text, review (hopefully), load it to the printer, run a test to determine it every part is working, run the "print", review it...
I'd risk doing it yourself would be quicker
So, first you need to learn how to set up the printer, then fetch the bot produced text, review (hopefully), load it to the printer, run a test to determine it every part is working, run the "print", review it...
I'd risk doing it yourself would be quicker
It states "I don't want to waste my time writing some shitty assignments for subjects I will not pursue in the future anyways". This person obviously does have time to acquire knowledge and does it, because programming this requires knowledge about things such as vector graphics, neural networks and GCODE creation.
Are you me when I was back in school? Is this a loop hole?
Yes, much of which we learn in school seems/feels unnecessary to a perceived/imagined/planned personal future but its the variety of subjects that creates the basis for multi layered reasoning.
I am painfully aware Lemmy is mostly populated by high technically proficient individuals but the world is not about to be handled by machines and AI, not now and I risk not ever, simply because there are tasks that can not and should not ever be handled by a machine.
IT and tech is not the cusp of human achievement.
This is innovation, and problem solving the small stuff is a very important skill in the modern day work environment.
Do I wasn't to hand calculate an entire statistical analysis, no. I use excell.
It doesn't make the work any more or less valid. If you can Google something in under a minute, don't bother spending a tonne of time trying to remember it.
Basically the best traits to have in the nearest future where AI will be the most important tool to use anywhere
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Who will explain the concept of a regular printer to him?
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