They're not interested in getting the message. The dog whistles went out a long time ago and there's no calling them back.
That post seems to be missing.
PhilipTheBucket 44 points a year ago
Unless you've spent time around these people, it is almost impossible to really grasp how little understanding they have of factual reality.
I guarantee you they all think the left killed Charlie Kirk. Their whole picture of the world is formed from absolutely insane Republican propaganda. They probably don't even really encounter the "theory" that the assassin was sent by anyone else, but when they do see it in passing, it can be safely discounted like lemmy.ml discounts Wikipedia, because the whole media is a NATO liberal lie machine that's just designed to destroy them. And they all get together with each other and aggressively reinforce to each other the model they've been given. It gives them a warm feeling of belonging, because there is almost no community or brotherhood in American society in the present day, and so they're getting something they need way deep deep down in their soul, from being able to get together and feel like they're on the same team with trusted allies against a genuine threat, and talk together and get amped up facing all in the same direction and feel together.
The left killed Charlie Kirk. Biden stole the election. The planes are crashing because of DEI. Michelle Obama is a man. Kids are peeing in litter boxes at school. The left is doing post-birth abortions, or pushing the babies back up into the mother so they can kill it and call it an abortion. Men are joining women's sports and going into women's bathrooms and saying they're "transgender" and it's a horrifying threat, the little girls are getting beat up when they just want to do sports. Covid was mostly just a bad cold that the pharmaceutical companies made into a big deal, and the vaccine is killing people.
It's just a nonstop avalanche of nonsense, and they all think it's all true. Every word. Another thing that American society has denied to them is a solid grasp on the world outside, an understanding of history and the forces that are shaping their daily lives. They definitely know that the life they live isn't the way it's supposed to be. But they don't really have the critical thinking skills they would need in order to poke holes in this whole explanation they get for why that is (which they get inundated with), and they would pay a punishing social cost if they ever started questioning even the elements that really don't make much sense. But most of it genuinely makes sense to them. They hear it every day at loud, loud volume, and they don't hear much else.
And part of what they know for sure is who to blame: You and me. We ruined the world they worked so hard to build, and now we're openly assassinating their leaders. And so why wouldn't they fight "back"?
WizardofFrobozz 3 points a year ago
It’s just a nonstop avalanche of nonsense, and they all think it’s all true. Every word.
The reality is so much worse.
The great majority of them KNOW it's not true, but pretend to "because fuck you, you can't prove I don't."
PhilipTheBucket 4 points a year ago
I've talked with them. They think it's true. The internet twats who are smart enough to know it's basically lies but just enjoy the fact that they can play around and get people frustrated by arguing with them are the absolute upper echelon of educatedness. People who play around on the wider internet and are exposed to lots of conflicting points of view is the environment for you and me, but it is not where most of the January 6th people existed, intellectually.
Milton Sanford Mayer interviewed a bunch of people in Germany after the war, and except for one professor, none of them had any idea about the camps or much idea of anything the Nazis were up to. They just remembered that they liked Hitler because the country was unified and the economy was better, but then the allies started bombing them, and it was dangerous and their cities got ruined, and they didn't like that. Mostly the mindset was "what the fuck how could they be so mean to us, we didn't do anything." I mean, what newspaper would they even read to find out anything different? We're spoiled for choice in the modern world in terms of knowing more or less what's going on, but that shit's not automatic.
peopleproblems 16 points a year ago
They believe the left consists of no one but minorities, lgbtq, and women.
I'm not kidding at all. I can walk right up to these conversations people will have and no one will blink an eye.
But they believe it so much that they will kill other white men who don't conform to the group. That's why Kirk was killed. He was a man that existed outside the in-group and needed to be cleaned up.
zd9 5 points a year ago
All of these takes are plausible, but it's still just pure speculation. He's not a clear indication of either side or sub-group, so until more definitive evidence comes out it only does more damage to make unfounded claims.
SparroHawc 1 point a year ago
At this point, I don't expect any more actual evidence to come out. There's more than enough for the right to bang the drum about the left, even if it's specious, and everyone surrounding the suspect has a vested interest in making sure that's where the narrative goes.
zd9 2 points a year ago
If there was solid proof he was left-leaning, they would have blasted that out to the world already, so that's pretty clear. However, I'm guessing they've already found indications he's even farther right than CK, but are trying to not release that because that goes against their narrative. I don't trust Kash Patel or Trump in the slightest.
Tollana1234567 3 points a year ago
he isnt right enough for the groypers, they need to be nick fuentes right, not Charlie kirk right.
peopleproblems 1 point a year ago
Correct I should specify he wasn't the in-groyp (haha get it) to Fuentes.
salacious_coaster 8 points a year ago
I have reliable intel that Saddam Hussein was behind this
MapleEngineer 129 points a year ago
What are they protesting? He was shot by a white Christian man.
TheLowestStone 22 points a year ago
White men fight back... Against other white men... Or something...
MapleEngineer 2 points a year ago
He was a darling of the Trump fascists.
Bakkoda 4 points a year ago
I'm sure that's exactly what they were all thinking as they let some air out of their monster truck tries and made sure the 37 flags were all set before they drove onto the beach with their cooler full of natty daddies.
marine_mustang 83 points a year ago
White men are fighting back. That’s why Charlie Kirk is dead.
Buffalox 21 points a year ago
Absolutely, when white men are being oppressed, it's generally by other white men. So I guess white men are fighting back against other white people. But no that's not it, for some reason they are oppressing minorities of all kinds instead, because skin color and culture scares them. In fact everything scares them, like science and everything based on reason even human rights are scaring them now, so they want to take them away.
Why? Because they are so fucking stupid, they are scared of everything about society, because they understand nothing, and that makes them scared.
You don't have to be white for that, problem is when the majority with all the money and power feel that way, things must have gone completely haywire in that society. They are oppressed by their own, but blame everybody else!!!
Regarding Charlie Kirk specifically, he was white right wing extremist who condoned gun violence, who was killed by another white right wing extremist, who used gun violence to kill him.
What the fuck is it they think they are protesting? They are their own worst enemy, not normal sensible people who actually care about other people. Or what they call "radical left".
Joeffect 14 points a year ago
The radical left... didn't you hear? How dare they want rights for people... how fucking dare they think thats a good idea... so let's kill more people that are not white...
The fucking level of insanity going on is insane
Buffalox 14 points a year ago
The logic is along the lines:
I'm starving and they want to give everybody food. But I don't want everybody to have food, I want more food just for ME!.
And:
They want freedom of religion (normalo people) , but as a right wing extremist I don't want that, I want all religious privileges for MY religion, and none for the others. So I can discriminate them, but they can't discriminate me.
There is no living peacefully with such people, they hate everything that is in any way different from themselves, and they are selfish to a degree they believe they are somehow entitled to have it better than other people.
And the "somehow" is because of their race and their religion which is barely religion, because they have zero actual religious knowledge, it's merely a faith they believe agree with all their own prejudices about the world,and their sense of entitlement.
It's insane that so many humans have such low intelligence. And I'm not talking about learning from books and being good at science, the bigger problem is that any sensible social intelligence is completely gone for very large parts of American society, and we just saw it's a problem in UK too.
LillyPip 57 points a year ago
Woe is me, the persecuted man at the top of the hierarchy! Look how small my slice of the pyramid is! Nobody knows the troubles I’ve seen!
… dude, just wear eyeliner and listen to My Chemical Romance like the rest of us did in our teens and you’ll eventually fit in. You’ll outgrow it.
SnotFlickerman 38 points a year ago
just wear eyeliner ... You'll outgrow it.
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darkdemize 9 points a year ago
Is an establishment some new type of furniture?
MeekerThanBeaker 47 points a year ago
Just like Jesus preached.
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henfredemars 13 points a year ago
Republican Jesus! The guy who said that the sick deserve it, fuck your neighbors you got yours, and amass as much wealth as possible.
dhork 9 points a year ago
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Tollana1234567 2 points a year ago
supply side jesus.
BarneyPiccolo 3 points a year ago
They kind of already are.
CaptainBlinky 40 points a year ago
White men fight back against... a white man. good job there boys we got'em
philosloppy 24 points a year ago
I think people have a pretty distorted view of the cultural background of ww2: Folks were anti-Nazis because they were "the bad guys", not because of their ideology. I mean, sure , a fair few people probably thought fascism was shit but the popular acrimony against Germany et al was not anti-fascist in essence. it was simply old-fashioned war and they were the enemy.
Just like all the racist jokes your shitty uncle made about Saddam in the 90s and/or 2000s
DarkAri 2 points a year ago
Not true, they didn't like the Nazis for several reasons, most of them good but a few bad ones.
They did not like them because they were antidemocratic and banned free speech.
They didn't like them because they murdered innocent people including women and children which offended their Christian values. (These are not the same types of Christians as the neochristan fascists):
They did not like Germany because they were overly militaristic, causing the other countries like Britain to have to spend a ton of money on their military.
Many people in America at that time we're not as anti racist as in modern terms, but they did not like the level of racism that existed in Germany. They believed nonwhites to be inferior in ways, but they didn't think they were inhuman. Hitler generally looked at these things like a math equation. To him he didn't not believe in any religion or anything. He did not believe in any type of morality. It was all about a will to power, and so to him if he won then he won, simple as that, it didn't matter who he killed or for what reason.
America was actually much more socialist at this time, and also Britain and France, even if they didn't like communism. Not really because they thought it was socialist, but because they thought it was totalitarian and a mob movement run by ignorant people.
Also the right wing tries to coup the U.S government which soured their reputation among more patriotic and nationalistic politicians at the time. FDR was extremely popular. He called himself a progressive or new nationalists. I think Democrats held 90% of the house at that time. Socialism was very popular although FDR didn't like calling himself a socialist because of its increasing association with communists who also called themselves socialists. He was essentially a social Democrat/ borderline democratic socialist.
Also everything the Nazis stood for was just extremely anti American. Yes there were dixkheads like Henry Ford and stuff who admire the Nazis and were very racist, but most Americans were not. The brisish at this time did not even understand American racism at all because they didn't have it in the same way at the time. The empires were very multiethnic. They thought of these things as being cultural and not racial things. British people considered british culture to be superior to others, but they didn't really extend this to race. Their racist ideas were more realistic. Slight differences between races but in reality it's almost all nurture.
The only bad reason they were against them was because the Nazis were nationalists and didn't want foreign companies in their economy. The British and Americans didn't like this. They had extensive investments around the world. Germany didn't really have an empire at this time. It is obviously good, at least to me anyways that the people and state of a country retain control of all its industry and natural resources. Foreign investment is usually bad unless you are one of the few people in the right wing puppet state or military who gets paid off to allow it to happen.
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Tollana1234567 2 points a year ago
unfortunately the nazis america never went away, they temporarily went away in EUROPE though.
Montreal_Metro 33 points a year ago
But these “white men” have been doing all the mass shootings these past 10 years so I hope they fight themselves.
Mouselemming 5 points a year ago
IIRC the traditional response to x-on-x violence has been "good, let 'em kill each other" and conservatives love traditions
Early_Insurance_3334 2 points a year ago
Let god sort them out.
ValarieLenin 22 points a year ago
Maybe they should focus on doing something about white on white crime, before taking to the streets and making it out problem...
bus_factor 2 points a year ago
They probably still think the killer is a trans immigrant. Much more convenient than facing reality.
peopleproblems 10 points a year ago
No, it's somewhat more disturbing.
Kirk was outside of the shooter's in group. In Fascism those in the out group need to shut up and get out of the way. It doesn't matter to the shooter that Kirk was an ultraconservative bigoted lunatic, he wasn't conservative enough. Since he was still talking and not getting out of the way, the Fascist believes he has an obligation to fix that problem.
And what's stranger, is that there is no doubt in my mind that Kirk thought the same thing about Fuenes. But they would both agree that if I had any public speaking ability (or any speaking ability for that matter) I would definitely be more important to sanitize first.
Fascists are elementary school boys left without supervision. That's all they really are.
bus_factor 2 points a year ago
As motivation for the killing, what you're saying is correct. But when it comes to protesting in the streets, they're going to go after their usual token minorities, regardless of who did the actual killing. Hence why they're trying real hard to label an obvious groyper as "left-leaning" and pretending he had a trans roommate.
inclementimmigrant 20 points a year ago
Are these white men fighting back against other white men who keep shooting people they don't agree with like Charlie Kirk, who's murderer is a white Mormon male?
Suavevillain 15 points a year ago
Enable friendly fire and let them fight each other. That killer is one of their own.
mohammed_alibi 12 points a year ago
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sturmblast 9 points a year ago
Huntington beach has had a neo-nazi problem for a long time. Decades.
postmateDumbass 8 points a year ago
What could possibly have been a nearby beacon?
philosloppy 9 points a year ago
guys, enough with the foreplay and kiss already
RememberTheApollo_ 8 points a year ago
You don’t get a Nazi protest about your death if you’re a good person.
mrgoosmoos 7 points a year ago
but all the right wingers on social media were saying that it's so telling that there's no riots when somebody on the right dies???
betterdeadthanreddit 5 points a year ago
Party of law and order.
betterdeadthanreddit 2 points a year ago
I don't know, I'm having a pretty good time watching them implode. Could be one of those rare occasions where the trash takes itself out for a change.
PedroMaldonado 3 points a year ago
Damn.....punching down like ya do. Soooo.....this is all just the White Man freaking out they won't be on top forever. Nice.
peopleproblems 5 points a year ago
One can only hope. First time I heard the white replacement theory I said "thank God, we sure as shit ruined it for everyone else."
TotallynotJessica 2 points a year ago
gotta love brownshirts doing brownshirt things
cashsky 1 point a year ago
The fuck is this Nazi apologia? What do you want? Do you want every one to hung and kiss them because they are just some misunderstood benigne souls? They are active making a choice to take the black pill and foment hate and intolerance.
I don't know if you have looked around lately but there is literal gestapo running around black bagging anyone they think is an immigrant. There is an active genocide being perpetrated by the US. The president of the United States openly stated he will persecute all political dissidents. The rule or law and the right to a fair trail has no meaning anymore. I think these neo-nazis have already won.
Actually, giving them any fucking space to spew their hatred is exactly why we are here. The entire fucking democratic party (and all neo-liberal institutions ) would rather work with literal Nazis than support anyone to the left of them. Biden, Garland, Kamala etc are all complicit in why we are here today with the rise of Naziism.
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