After a year away from Reddit, curiosity got the better of me

a year ago by HappySkullsplitter to c/reddit

I was just interested to see how much had changed since December when I was randomly banned with no reason given and the appeal went unheard.

I was just planning to browse and not log in but it immediately gave me a pop-up notification to create an account.

Curious if it would allow me, I submitted the application and it went through without problem.

I didn't want to draw too much attention to myself, so I didn't comment or post for the first month.

Then, I made another mistake. I got invested, again and it didn't take long before it inevitably became political.

I posted a reply to someone who had clearly been chugging the orange kool-aid. Nothing terrible, just what I thought was objective reality, easily verifiable through past reporting through many credible media outlets.

But, reddit is going to reddit. Somehow objective reality has been classified as hate speech on reddit.

I'm not surprissd. Just a little disappointed.

I appealed, I do not expect a reply.

Previously, I had been on reddit for 10 years without much incident.

This time I lasted only 2 months

Edit:

They manually reviewed it and kept the ban!

suodrazah 107 points a year ago
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msage 45 points a year ago

And fuck Spez

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AtariDump 47 points a year ago

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Tollana1234567 4 points a year ago

he looks like an alien.

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Cybersteel 77 points a year ago

Huh interesting that you can say the most vile shit over there as long as it's towards the "correct" people you won't get banned.

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logicbomb 43 points a year ago

The same thing will happen here if we're not vigilant. Here's the problem:

Conservatives love trolling, and they don't care if they break every rule to push their agenda. Progressives do not love trolling as much.

A troll is out to start a fight and to cause problems. This means that conservatives are out there in every subreddit/community trolling. One way to troll is to become an expert at reporting things. Read all comments trying to find anything that could get them banned. If trolls don't find something that can get their targets banned, then they can join the conversation. Either trolls can pretend like they agree with them, and see if you can't get them to say something that's technically against the rules, or they can argue with them, and troll them just within the bounds of the rules, in the hopes that they'll retaliate outside of the rules, so they can be reported.

Meanwhile, progressives are less likely to troll. They're not looking for reasons to report. They're trying to discuss the issues, not abuse the system.

And conservative moderators are going to ban people for reporting things if they detect that there is political disagreement, making it more difficult to bother reading and participating. Meanwhile normal moderators will judge based on the actual reports.

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Catalyst_A 28 points a year ago

We don't love trolling as much because we have actual jobs.

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logicbomb 15 points a year ago

It's not just a matter of time, but a matter of mental fortitude.

I'm sure anyone could find tons of content to get conservatives banned, but that requires reading conservative content.

You know, this might actually be a good use case for everyone's least favorite tech... AI. You could find bannable content without having to wade through all of the surrounding mind numbing garbage.

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Trainguyrom 2 points a year ago

I'm really looking forwards to post-AI bubble tech because its going to be really super interesting seeing all of the creative usecases for machine learning where it actually works and can do well at what its meant to do. Machine learning has been a purely academic field and the sudden crazy amounts of money being thrown around for it over the last 3 years is absolutely insane even without that context. Now there's tons of nice tools that didn't exist before for working with AI models and tons of new education that didn't exist previously. Its going to get really interesting for sure!

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Tollana1234567 4 points a year ago

they are also known to brigade and mass report someone, plus alot of them are propaganda bots too.

i like how reddit made thier "violations" more vague, identity based hate can mean anything lol. im guessing that now includes republican promoting misinformation is protected speech. making easier for one to be banned.

reddit allows heavy astroturfing by the right, drowning out left leaning comments

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logicbomb 2 points a year ago

Also I once received a message from a Reddit admin, and I thought their grasp on the English language was.... tenuous. It wouldn't surprise me if they offshore people to do this work, and if they don't speak English very well, then there's no chance for them to make great decisions about violations.

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Tollana1234567 2 points a year ago

Ai moderation allows them plausible deniability, so they can ignore peoples appeals for bans, most of them. alot of thier responses are most likely AI generated too.

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Thunderbird4 52 points a year ago

To further clarify on the point you were making in the post, he didn’t just mean he was going in spirit. He fully intended to go, but he was prevented from going by people who knew when to tell him “no.” He even physically grabbed his driver and the steering wheel of the car in a tantrum insisting that he be taken to the Capitol instead of the White House.

Everyone should have watched the January 6th Commission hearings, but now it’s like they basically never even happened.

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Phineaz 21 points a year ago

I wish he had actually gone. I imagine things would have been easier.

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Garbagio 16 points a year ago
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Tollana1234567 3 points a year ago

they sanewashed the hell out of it, plus most of them got a slap on the wrist from 1/6. i think one older lady admitted she was wrong to go 1/6, and denied her "commute sentence" because it was the right thing to do.

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turdcollector69 43 points a year ago

I got perma'd a month ago for posting links to .edu domains showing proof that UV light damages your eyes.

Some guy was claiming "the CDC/FDA doesn't know shit because I used to start into the sun to spite the people who told me not to."

I got a redditcares and then a site wide shadowban.

No action on the appeal.

I decided not to make another account and to try quitting the internet, when that failed I decided to go to Lemmy instead of reddit again.

When Lemmy gets shitty like that hopeful I'll be ready to disconnect for good.

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BanMe 19 points a year ago

When I got permabanned on Reddit I took the opportunity to step away from scrolling. I got a lot accomplished and my mental heath improved. Since Lemmy is slow, it works well, I can't spend hours here. Unfortunately my baser instincts took over and I find myself scrolling the news app for hours instead..

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Trainguyrom 12 points a year ago

Yeah the API changes were a good excuse for me to re-evaluate my Reddit and internet habits. I've found Lemmy and Mastadon refreshing, and honestly I love the vibes of folks on Mastadon since folks are way less doom and gloom than some of the folks here on Lemmy.

Since abandoning Reddit, I've picked up running and biking, gotten back into model railroading and started reading books again. I tried getting back into drawing but that petered out with some disruptions in routine due to travel before I'd fully got drawing integrated into my daily life again. Basically I think I've become a better version of myself since leaving Reddit (and honestly a bunch of that was more to do with me than Reddit)

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turdcollector69 8 points a year ago

Yeah I definitely feel better now that I'm not looking at reddit.

Still doom scrolling on Lemmy but like you said it's slow and imo it's a bit less hyperbolic.

I feel like you can have actual conversation and exchange ideas here as opposed to the reddit dunk off.

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Tollana1234567 8 points a year ago

reddit now hates people dropping links, they ban people for that now.

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turdcollector69 3 points a year ago

I guess it messes with the LLM training

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neuromorph 4 points a year ago

hoping Digg 2.0 is something of value

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TeddE 4 points a year ago

Is Lemmy Digg 3.0 or Slashdot 4.0 (i.e. Slashdot →Digg→Reddit→Lemmy)

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turdcollector69 3 points a year ago

Is there a new digg or are you referring to lemmy?

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mic_check_one_two 6 points a year ago

Digg has been working on rebranding recently, to try and capture some of the fleeing Reddit refugees.

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knomie 1 point a year ago
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turdcollector69 3 points a year ago

I don't really know about light and eyes, I just know that UV radiation is bad for you and I know that academic quality evidence for this is abundant.

It was easy to find multiple .edu and .gov sources that explicitly state that UV is harmful to your vision.

When people say things like "bright direct sunlight to the eyes" to me it reads as "touching grass is beneficial."

You don't need to look at or near the sun, there's plenty of sunlight bouncing around on a sunny day. You also don't need to expose yourself to UV so sunscreen is still a good idea.

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knomie 2 points a year ago
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MourningDove -2 points a year ago
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joyjoy 11 points a year ago

But with Lemmy's decentralized nature, you can always join a different server with less shit admins and still interact with the same people (more or less). The worst the other instance admins can do is ban you from their own servers or defederate.

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MourningDove -2 points a year ago
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bilb 4 points a year ago

At least you have a modlog to look at, right? But yeah, moderators will do as they please, and I won't always agree with it. Not too bothered

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ChickenLadyLovesLife 41 points a year ago

I got banned for racism ... for making fun of Vogons. They're not even a race, and more importantly, they don't even exist.

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pleaseletmein 26 points a year ago

My cousin’s permaban was for saying “I won’t let a single Saiyan live” in a dragon ball sub. Saiyans are not real.

And then actual, unchecked racism is rampant.

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skisnow 7 points a year ago

And then actual, unchecked racism is rampant.

This is the key. Moderation is both heavy-handed AND not fit for purpose.

Facebook had the same problem a few years ago, and they "fixed" it by not bothering to moderate any more.

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Tollana1234567 3 points a year ago

REDDIT is heading towards that. it will be a clone of X ANd facebook. the admins arnt bothering to listen to most appeals anyways.

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Tollana1234567 3 points a year ago

Its definitely Ai moderating that, it look for key phrases or words, like "live, or something referring to unalive"

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reddifuge 1 point a year ago

Don't forget reddit also allows pedophilia from creeps like srgrafo to have massive subreddits with over 100k people in it.

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OozingPositron 3 points a year ago

What?

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reddifuge 0 points a year ago

Don't worry bro, it's just anime girls, they only look 14, they are actually adults so it's fine.

-srgrafo

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harmsy 3 points a year ago

Wait, srgrafo's a pedo creep? When did that come out?

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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 3 points a year ago path: 0 19996257 19999508 20001041 20002010 20003130, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
Tollana1234567 1 point a year ago

who is this srgrafo person?

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reddifuge 0 points a year ago

He is is tje guy behind r/Chloe which is underage anime girl porn he draws.

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smeenz 7 points a year ago

I hope you didn't threaten to feed a vogon's grandmother to the ravenous bugblatter beast of trall?

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ChickenLadyLovesLife 2 points a year ago

No, that would have been an automod ban -- and perfectly understandable.

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monotremata 5 points a year ago

My cat's name is Clark, which gradually sometimes became Clark-a-doodle, which became Doodle, which became Doodlebug, which became Bug and occasionally Buggle.

When I'm frustrated with him, it's now sometimes Frettled Gruntbuggly.

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ChickenLadyLovesLife 3 points a year ago

My cat Martha somehow became "Muffin Sweetie".

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Starski 35 points a year ago

Hey be careful with that rhetoric man, under Trump's new definitions you could be considered a terrorist. Sic semper tyrannis.

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DarkFuture 30 points a year ago

On second thought, let's not go to Reddit. It is a silly place.

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FosterMolasses 6 points a year ago

*A fascist place.

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TrickDacy 28 points a year ago

I had a similar experience recently.

Funny part is, every conservative on there bitches about reddit being a leftist echo chamber. Yet you get banned for things like you said.

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nanoswarm9k 6 points a year ago

Are they saying that or is it an echo from 10 years ago? (yes and)

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whoisearth 5 points a year ago

At this point I'm sure they think Raygun was a bleeding heart Liberal.

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nutsack 23 points a year ago

what in the absolute fuck

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OldChicoAle 12 points a year ago

Censorship and fascism.

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Tollana1234567 6 points a year ago

its how facebook operates, they just want users to doomscroll the site, and dont want actual users.

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Mensh123 22 points a year ago

I always knew Reddit mods have power trips from time to time.

But is that a site-wide-ban? Really?

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Tollana1234567 2 points a year ago

yea, a temp suspension. alot of people reported they were fully perma banned after a temp banned down the line. the moment my temp ban hit in feburary, i was shocked to recieved so many perma-ban messages, they targeted all your accounts that you have used.

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reddifuge 20 points a year ago

You can get banned from reddit for saying you would have shot Hitler.

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Tollana1234567 6 points a year ago

dont even need to say anything, looking at it wrong will get you shadowbanned: posting too fast, too much, or too similar to another comment, or positng too soon after account creation will get you banned. or somehow your browser or ip changes to suddenly too.

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mrgoosmoos 4 points a year ago

you can get banned from reddit for saying that people like Hitler shouldn't exist

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HappySkullsplitter 3 points a year ago

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melsaskca 19 points a year ago

America is, and has been, steeped in violence for so long that I always get a kick out of it when they get all "fainty" and "weak in the knees" when you type about violence. Hell, they wouldn't even show us Osama Bin Laden's body because they thought it would collectively "upset" us yet there are network serial killer crime dramas on TV every day of the week. Now that's entertainment! What an interesting and dissonant time to be alive.

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BarneyPiccolo 17 points a year ago

I was on for 12 years, nearly a million Karma, and was banned in February, right after The Goblin met with Spez, for a comment I'd previously posted many times without an issue.

I evaded the ban for a while, but they got better and better at finding me, and banning me. It seems like once they identify you as a ban evader, they start going through the suspension protocol. First it's 3 days, then a week, then it's permanent.

I missed it at first, then I realized that I missed the old Reddit. The new Reddit really, really sucks. I just miss the active guitar and cat subs.

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treesapx 18 points a year ago

It's difficult to leave my niche subs, but fucking hell there's soooo much bot content. Like, I come to lemmy and am suddenly reminded of how humans talk.

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Tollana1234567 1 point a year ago

50% WAS bot content, mostly propaganda, by like 2023-2024. and then the non-propaganda bots(the one who trying to build up thier OF profiles, or link dropping service).

it seems reddit starting to unilaterally removing random posts and content on thier own now.

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ChickenLadyLovesLife 4 points a year ago

I missed AskHistorians for a little while when I left, but I checked back recently and it's clear that all the interesting history questions were asked and answered years ago. All that's left is "what if Hitler had three balls instead of one?" over and over again.

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BarneyPiccolo 3 points a year ago

I know what you mean. Half the answers, if they even answer it all, were links to the last 2 or 3 times the question was asked.

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Tollana1234567 2 points a year ago

i was part of the february purge too, for REPORTING misinformation about trump. on r/tech, that gave me a temp ban, then a triggered a full multi account ban, with no explanation at all. reddit was testing thier newly deployed AI moderation in FEB.

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Aljernon 1 point a year ago

What is "a ban evader"

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Tollana1234567 2 points a year ago

ban evasion, is when either get subreddit ban, or sitewide ban, and create new multiple accounts to post in the same subs you got banned, or if you got shadow or sitewide perman ban. you used a different device and ip to get around that ban.

at first it wasnt a problem for reddit, if you avoid the subs you got banned, or if arnt a serial ban evader. now they target all your accounts if they can connect you to same person, that havent participate in the sub for a while.

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BarneyPiccolo 2 points a year ago

Someone who has been banned, but they start a new account under a new name. Reddit prohibits that, and will ban you again.

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Aljernon 16 points a year ago

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Blackfeathr 16 points a year ago

Yeah, reddit is quickly becoming X 2.0.

Best to abandon it and let it get overrun by bots. Maybe then pig boy spez will realize bots don't bring in ad revenue.

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Tollana1234567 2 points a year ago

more like facebook 2.0 and X hybrid, offspring.

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Jhex 15 points a year ago

Stop wasting time in Reddit

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CodenameDarlen 13 points a year ago
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TheBat 13 points a year ago
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HappySkullsplitter 18 points a year ago

This particular incident happened in r/law

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TheBat 26 points a year ago
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azureskypirate 3 points a year ago

Can you define LEO? Can't find it on googol :/

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TheBat 9 points a year ago
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Cocodapuf 7 points a year ago

I guess Law Enforcement Officer makes a lot more sense than Low Earth Orbit. I'll just take my space knowledge elsewhere... 😢

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tigeruppercut 2 points a year ago

on googol

Shit, how many tabs do you have open??

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Tollana1234567 2 points a year ago

thats legaladvice, justice served, and some of the video subs. r/law seems to enshittified once they got more posts about trump. technology became that way too(recieved a 7day ban) as part of thier purging apocalypse during early this year.

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Tollana1234567 1 point a year ago

sounds like you responded to a troll account/bot account. i wouldve reported first before commenting.

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SpaceNoodle 3 points a year ago

All of them

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etherphon 11 points a year ago
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Empricorn 13 points a year ago

That's worthy of a ban!? What a dumpster fire. Stay away from reddit. It's honestly surprising it's even worse since I left...

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pyre 12 points a year ago

i don't even understand what is happening in the screenshot. the comment you replied to seems to make the case that he is at fault, and used it as an example to someone defending someone else who incited something but didn't actively participate. what's the context here?

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HappySkullsplitter 6 points a year ago

Yeah, they attempted to go abstract to try to prove I don't entirely know what

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pyre 6 points a year ago

i think they either agree that he was culpable or they used the assumption that you would find him culpable as an argument that inciting violence does make one guilty to some degree.

the problem is there isn't really any evidence that the left called for his head (especially a head that big; even the shooter knew he couldn't penetrate that dome with mere bullets), and certainly not anyone of significance... while the jan6 was incited by the most powerful person in the world.

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NoodlePoint 11 points a year ago

For every legit user banned for even casual talk of violence against Christian fascists, they replace them with a dozen fucking bots.

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Tollana1234567 6 points a year ago

or, reddit is only going after the lowest hanging fruit, and leaving propaganda bots mostly untouched. they only do something when public complaints makes a stink about these bots. i noticed this trend, propaganda bots are rampant, but there more or less very little way to remove them. the massive purges, filters have been going after real users, OF accounts, or link sharing types. by the way it only sets back the latter 2 anyways temporarily, while IRL who arent using ban evasion methods are permanently banned.

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rozodru 8 points a year ago

I got permabanned from Reddit for asking the question as to how long will it be until an ICE agent gets shot.

That, According to the Reddit AI admins, was inciting violence, racism, and hate.

For just asking a question.

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ngdev 10 points a year ago

not saying i agree with the ban, but "just asking a question" doesn't mean shit. there are plenty of questions you could pose that could incite violence, racism, and hate

reminds me of the south park episode dances with smurfs

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Tollana1234567 8 points a year ago

which sub was this? was r/conservative, you get banned very easily, plus any bans you recieve automatically flags your account by the site, and some mods have connections with admins.

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NoodlePoint 6 points a year ago

And AI-generated user profiling. Like say if you hate fascists in general, admire a certain Luigi and even talk about committing violence against fascists, the mods/admins will pull up that profile and use it to slap a ban.

They like hobbyists. They don't want hobbyists talking about progressive politics and propaganda of the deed.

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shalafi 8 points a year ago

Not following. Sounds like you were both in agreement? Or was the post above that relevant?

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Valmond 10 points a year ago

First post floats like indecisison, a common tactic to take down known facts.

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AmidFuror 6 points a year ago

First comment absolutely was saying Trump was responsible even though he didn't go inside himself. Yet OP and others downvotes it and and upvoted the same sentiment in OP's comment.

Why OP was banned, I have no idea. There was no hate in the comment in the screenshot. I'm assuming it is the same comment in the link.

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Valmond 4 points a year ago

The idea is to spread doubt where there should be none.

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AmidFuror 1 point a year ago

Not everything is a conspiracy.

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HappySkullsplitter 2 points a year ago

I think the context of the original thread was something about Greta Thunberg and trying to say she is a terrorist for going to Gaza or something ridiculous and they tried to use the Trump not actually going to the Capitol building against the argument that Trump was responsible for the Jan 6th insurrection

I don't know, I was just trying to neutralize the crazy with objective reality

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Furbag 1 point a year ago

Yeah, same here. The second question is rhetorical. He was clearly in agreement. Not sure why that guy was down voted or why OP was banned.

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crt0o 6 points a year ago

Damn, I guess this is what 21st century censorship looks like

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avidamoeba 5 points a year ago

This is a ban by reddit, not a mod, right?

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HappySkullsplitter 3 points a year ago

Correct

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Tollana1234567 2 points a year ago

its reddit banning you. A SERIAL ban evaders, can get shadowban eventually, which mean they silence all your posts, so nobody can see it but you, so you wouldnt know yout ban. this form of ban is harder to get around.

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ThatGuy46475 5 points a year ago

They made a system that’s supposed to have ai flag stuff and people review it, then the humans used it as an excuse to be lazy and click through all of them.

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Tollana1234567 2 points a year ago

i feel like its AI all the way top down. AI flag stuff, ai review it by looking for keywords, and AI issuing the ban, and the rejection of appeals in most cases. ive only seen it rarely when the admins UNBAN someone, on the shadowban sub. its very rare to get unbanned these days. usually shadowban were reserved the worst offendors, like repeat trolls,,,etc.

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WhyIHateTheInternet 5 points a year ago

How were you top 1% commenter in only 2 months?

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MourningDove 6 points a year ago
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HappySkullsplitter 3 points a year ago

Surprised me too

Apparently everyone is a top commenter now

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skisnow 2 points a year ago

I suspect they include lurkers in their statistic. All you have to do to be in the Top 1% is be in the Top 50% of people who actually comment.

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BismuthYellow 4 points a year ago

Sometimes i'd like to report the reddit admins for "hate". One of the most abused rule they have.

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RonniePickering 4 points a year ago

Same here. Ive been banned twice for no reason and no answer from reddit

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blockheadjt 4 points a year ago

The story at the time was that Dump ordered his driver to take him to the Capitol, and the order was refused.

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AllForOne 3 points a year ago

I got perma banned without a single word. Hadn't done anything other than maybe miss a few rules on a sub, but nothing which warrented a ban. Maybe a headsup that I forgot a rule. The level of dictatorship they run over there is pretty wild. Fairly certain it's just A.I/bots running wild, flagging for all the wrong reasons. The worst part is that they don't even read or answer the appeals. I literally sent 10 over the course of a year, because I had so much information stored for my health journey. Did they care? Nope.

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bitjunkie 2 points a year ago

Fash sympathizing human refuse

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corsicanguppy 2 points a year ago

I got opinions after "stepped foot" (bone apple tea!) and then "literally", but I say there's very little to miss, there.

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rayquetzalcoatl 2 points a year ago

Wait, hang on, is the expression not "stepped foot?" What am I missing?

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The_Decryptor 3 points a year ago

It's "set foot", didn't even notice the difference at first.

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rayquetzalcoatl 1 point a year ago

Oh duh, of course it is! I didn't even notice 😂

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Meowie_Gamer 2 points a year ago

yeah kinda glad that im not using the big platforms (besides discord i guess. really want to move away from that but my friends are on that platform.)

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87Six 2 points a year ago

Fuck Reddit I hope that shithole is destroyed soon.

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chunes 1 point a year ago

Reddit doesn't want users. They don't ban you for breaking the rules; they ban you once they determine you're not a bot.

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MourningDove -1 points a year ago
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