(i know this is an exchange between some of the worst people of the internet)
Berengaria_of_Navarre 21 points a year ago
Are you deadnaming mecha Hitler?
Diplomjodler3 29 points a year ago
I'm sure they said "no homo" so everything's fine.
BakedCatboy 31 points a year ago
UwU?
SanctimoniousApe 52 points a year ago
h-how did u check
PragerU went around asking "U Prager?"
WoodScientist 30 points a year ago
How do they even define "man?" People with xy chromosomes have given birth before.
Berengaria_of_Navarre 14 points a year ago
Berengaria_of_Navarre 4 points a year ago
That's Diogenes trolling Plato. So technically a Greek about to do his job.
WoodScientist 1 point a year ago
Next time Greece needs a financial bailout, we should give it to them on the condition that their leaders have to all start wearing togas again.
moseschrute 4 points a year ago
WHAT IS A WOMAN! /s
isyasad 4 points a year ago
I know you are /s but I will respond /srs.
The fact that people in support of trans rights often can't give a satisfying definition of "woman" is certainly not very problematic or even important at all, but it's a big sticking point for conservatives and it would be nice to have a real answer.
I haven't tried this on real people yet, but I think that you can use a simple comparison to show that they also can't simply define identity words. For example, they probably can't come up with a simple definition of "father" that includes/excludes all the right people. Pester them on this point. Is a sperm donor a father? Is a man who adopts children a father? Is any male caretaker a father? Is a father-in-law a father? Is a step-father a father? Is an absent father a father?
If they end up with a very complicated & unintuitive flowchart definition, ask them: when someone says "as a father, this concerns me" or "I'm not a good father", what do they actually mean? Are they referring to your definition? or to a vaguely-defined identity that's really based in feelings and values?
This really easily transitions into talking about gender because then you can ask them to explain what people mean when they say "man up" or "be a man". Nobody says those things to mean "be a penised adult human", it's obviously about feelings and values.
Bgugi 2 points a year ago
The real strength of the "what is a woman" argument is that theres no answer that puts you ahead. If you draw a line, you get absolutely creamed for being some bigoted transphobe, if you take an open stance now you're against women. If you say you can have your cake and eat it too you're ridiculed for the inconsistency.
PalmTreeIsBestTree 9 points a year ago
Penis Preggers*
desertdruid 10 points a year ago
"2006 4chan humor"? saying slurs and posting pedo bears? because that's all I remember from that time
desertdruid 10 points a year ago
well that and this:
untorquer 6 points a year ago
Moreso a means of communicating where everything is tongue in cheek and generally accepted as fake. It wasn't perfect, don't want a lot of it back, especially not the parts that eventually incubated fascists, but that's her humor, and i understand it.
She's problematic in oh so many other ways. I'm not suggesting she's a protagonist here lol
prole 3 points a year ago
The whole "lol it's just a joke" thing has been a key tool used to normalize fascism in the US. It's a blatant tactic used by the right to normalize truly horrifying things.
And unfortunately, it has been wildly successful
Dragonborn3810 8 points a year ago
Oh fuck off, just because ypu can't be a fucking bigot openly as easily without being called on it doesnt show a lack of mental flexibility on their part. Fuck off back to 4chan if you can't handle people being called out for being shitty humans.
SailorFuzz 6 points a year ago
I think I used to think that. Like, I get the edgy 4chaner-esque thing. There's a bit of selfaware irony in it all that can work....
But for Shoe, after the Kirk thing, when she rushed to play defense, I think the whole mask dropped. Which, kind of makes sense. I don't think you can do 2010 anti-sjw content for 15 years and not ACTUALLY be a bit of a winger. If you haven't grown in that time, and you're still stuck making that same content... that's just who you are.
Look at her contemporaries and people after her. AmazingAtheist/TJ/IntoTheFray was one of the OG anti-feminist/sjw creators. He's still a bit of an edgelord, but even he's grown past that content and matured in thought.
And you can look at her peers in the space who sort of occupy the same niche. People like Vaush. Bit edgy, bit hot-take. But still has pretty consistent lefty values.
For Shoe, her act stopped being an act. The jokes just became what she is. She wasn't being critical anymore of lefty extemists, she was just becoming a winger. And her defense of Kirk proved it.
KelvarCherry 9 points a year ago
complained about people unsympathetic to Cartoid Charlie
desertdruid 9 points a year ago
yeah, she's been always like this, not sure why people are surprised
hotdogcharmer 3 points a year ago
Haha what, did she really??
spicytuna62 18 points a year ago
I seem to remember John Hurt giving birth to a chestburster on video so I call bullshit.
Berengaria_of_Navarre 16 points a year ago
Not with that attitude, they can't.
canofcam 13 points a year ago
I have plenty of conversations with transphobic family members and there seems to be a lot of this misunderstanding going around.
There seems to be this belief that trans people are all biological men trying to impose on women's spaces, whether that's saying that a man can have a period, or saying that a trans woman can compete in women's sports.
It's an interesting Schrödinger's cat type phenonomenon - a trans woman cannot use a woman's toilet, so that means that a trans man (who is indistinguishable from a cis male) SHOULD use women's toilets, which is problematic.
All of these transphobic beliefs seem to erase the existence of trans men, they only take cis men into account. So saying, "A biological male cannot give birth" is, 99% of the time, accurate. But that isn't what saying, "a man can give birth" means exactly, it's a more nuanced statement that supports the existence of trans men. "Boys" can have periods, because trans boys exist.
If it is common / possible for biological men to give birth, I'm not aware of that so I can't comment on it, but I do believe that 9/10 transphobia stems from misunderstanding what you're actually talking about. Otherwise I can't see why people would be continuously so hateful to something that is so harmless to anybody who isn't trans.
Trainguyrom 0 points a year ago
a man can have a period
I assume based on context that this is a typo and you meant can't.
I recently learned that holy shit trans women despite most likely not having a uterus, start experiencing periods once they're far enough along with HRT. Like full on period cramps, moodiness and everything!
canofcam 3 points a year ago
No no, it wasn't a typo. I meant it as an example of things which make headlines nowadays.
A school said, "Men can have periods" the world is going mad!
Some people believe this is somehow erasing biological women, when usually somebody making that statement are actually talking about biological women who happen to be trans men (which can be and should be referred to as men - which is what I did).
Trainguyrom 3 points a year ago
Oh okay I misunderstood what kind of crazyposting you were trying to reference
SpaceNoodle 12 points a year ago
Skill issue
FilthyShrooms 11 points a year ago
It's not for a lack of trying, that's for sure
technocrit 9 points a year ago
Pretty sure Prager is STILL dying. lmao.
whoisearth 3 points a year ago
Fuck them in the bussy?
driving_crooner 5 points a year ago
Keep trying, with the power of God, everything is possible!
theuniqueone 4 points a year ago
I want to read the studies that look into this.
Credibly_Human 3 points a year ago
The funny thing about this is transmasc people actually cant get pregnant, so in a way, they're unintentionally right (of course many asterisks as this depends a lot on a lot).
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