Unlimited growth is capitalist mindset. Stability and community are what we value here.

It is what it is. I have no idea how to incite a new wave short of Reddit shitting itself in some way

Let's talk about the Overton window.

At some point in time, the major social platforms will fuck up - probably by way of AI - and end up in a collective scandal that gives people a bad taste in their mouthes.

At that point y'all better have your talking points, framing, concepts and schpiel at the ready, because it'll be another chance to adopt even more users. So let me stress a couple of things:

You win more bees with honey, you should be more concerned about peoples wellbeing than your own opinion and start collecting valuable, objective and giving accounts - be they international, but most preferably local - across the fediverse to share with new users.

AGAIN!! You being a toxic little shit will repell people. If you REALLY CARE about GETTING PEOPLE OFF OF PREDATORY CORPORATE PLATFORMS plz be mindful, kind, shower, groom, keep your inside humor to your inside group, learn some rhetoric to improve your communication skills and remember:

👏 you 👏 win 👏 more 👏 bees 👏 with 👏 honey

Being on your A-game does not mean Asshole-game. Plz do not stink up the place.

last 2 years look pretty stable to me

Honestly, this is fine. This is a healthy community. If we had an exponential growth curve, the AI bots, clout-chasting influencers, marketers and data-mining scrapers would be all over these instances, and Lemmy frankly has very poor tools to deal with it.

There aren't the niche communities, I agree that that's regrettable. But we really do run into scaling problems.

Probably because >50% of the posts on here are about depressing American politics

Quality over quantity.

Everyone who compares growth here (here being very relative considering how it works) vs. the idealized Reddit is forgetting something. Age. You don't get peak Reddit by looking at its first years, and yet you're looking at the literal first years for Lemmy and company and saying it's not comparable. No, it's not.

Doesn't mean there shouldn't be constant discussion on improving and growing communities for better discussion, but the whole "oh no, the numbers are low" is ridiculous. Aside from being a aggregated discussion format, this is like comparing apples and cars. Reddit shouldn't be a goal or benchmark, discussion flow here should be. I'll be more worried about stagnation when feed numbers for myself drop back to the first few months, where there was concern about if federation would even work well. (and improving federation/defederation is also a great topic to talk about, it isn't perfect, but it's far better than it was)

Is this counting Piefed?

Yeah, we need more users. The fediverse/lemmy is stagnating in content because we don't have enough people with niche interests. It's mostly US-centered politics; we need more stuff from around the world. Fediverse/lemmy needs more users.

• Clicks "All", "Top Six Hours"

  • Sees impersonal biased news sources reporting how bad the world is
  • Every post repetition of the one above it

• Clicks "Comments"

  • Scrolls for a while
  • Finds one person talking about how good their day is or one topic they're passionate about

This is actually pretty good user retention. Most platforms bleed way more users after a surge in sign ups (eg Mastodon, Pixelfed, Threads, Bluesky).

You can't ignore PieFed at this point anymore. I think the statistic is skewed without it.

I'm decently satisfied with my experience here. Be careful what you wish for

Should aggregate number of Lemmy and Piefed users (and maybe Mbin, NodeBB too), and see if the graph looks very different then

Based on what I've seen, much of this could be from instances with redundant accounts shutting down.

In other words, a lot of folks can't sustain the burden of hosting an instance long term. That's fine, and expected.

Back in my day, we kept StickPage.com alive with a community of maybe 100 animators. We were happy and productive. 😁 Quality over quantity. Chin up!

This is fine. We don't need lemmy or the fediverse to take over completely immediately.

It's a good working prototype that's not a complete ghost town and that's good enough for now. It doesn't need to win everywhere immediately, it's fine if it's a working solution we can point to and new communities can be created if some people decide to and they won't exist in a complete vacuum.

Normalize labeling all axes.

@MattW03@lemmy.ca @fedimemes@feddit.uk

To which extent does this graph consider non-Lemmy users interacting with other non-Lemmy users through Lemmy communities as "active Lemmy users"?

I mean, I'm right now interacting with Lemmy using Sharkey. Similarly, I notice many Mastodon and Piefed users interacting with Lemmy communities. And that's where my question comes in: would all of us count as "Lemmy users" according to the methodology behind that graph?

I recently joined Lemmy, i can't share your experiences with a "decline" but i gotta say Lemmy works because it's quality over quantity. Recognizing usernames again makes you realize you're in a small community and people generally have similar interests and passions to you. I (mostly) try to put more thought into what i post here. The change I wanna see in online communities starts with me. 15 Upvotes and a well thought out comment on a post feels more rewarding than a lot of Karma and people trying to 1-up each other with snappy remarks. Also: no bots ❤️

Getting too big would attract the bots, corpos, and everything else that has ruined the internet. I'm fine with staying small.

Who is the real competitor? The people who are fed up with Reddit, where do they go to for discussions?

This thread: "It's because of all the assholes! Why, nearly everybody I meet here is an asshole!"

I'm getting Déjà vu as it reminds me of someone on Mastodon posting a graph of Mastodon's daily users going down. Can't remember if it OP of that post (Mastodon post, not this Lemmy one) or a news article that was like "Is this a downfall for Mastodon?". Nope, it's still around and I will argue, Mastodon is at it's own lane which feels unfair it get compared to Twitter which feels like an Apple and Oranges compassion

Lemmy didnt exist before 2023? News to me lol

[Pretending Fedidb/Fediobserver data or account #s accurately represents valuable conversations between real people when I just blocked 6 accounts by the same guy in the last 15 minutes for fun voice] Considering everyone is making a constant attempt to drive others away and be a pedantic freak, should this surprise anyone? The people who came here because they want more reddit, or to be admins of a subreddit, are not very good people, folks, they're not sending their best

Just FYI, the number may be up a bit more than we are seeing due to how the website pulls its numbers.

There's a lot of instances that put anti ai/ crawling tech in front of their instances. As well as instances that are no longer sharing stats due to ai activity.

Does this include users of other platforms like Piefed?

I used to post everywhere.

Every single time that I go through the effort to contribute to another small community i somehow break some fucking rule and my post is removed despite there being 0 activity on that space for days.

Every time this happens, I block the space because it's a horrible experience to try to create content for the fediverse.

It feels the exact same as reddit, and the more mod and admin abuse that keeps happening, the more people will keep leaving and poating less.

Honestly, the next time I get a fucking un replyable automod message on this space that is "suppsed to be better than reddit" I think I am done contributing to the fediverse.

Don't forget "conspiracist" : fluoridated because Russia wants to weaken our sperm

Good. Stable and safe growth, not infinite or quick.

It feels like that.. the timeline reflects the vibe

Ah yes, 2023 the year lemmy went to shit.