English as a second language learners: what words were really hard for you to pronounce?

10 months ago by RockySalad to c/asklemmy

If English wasn't your first language, maybe if you learned English later in life, were there any words that you had a really hard time learning how to pronounce? Do you think that had to do with the sounds made in your first language?

pastermil 47 points 10 months ago

Colonel.

Less of how hard it is to actually pronounce, more like how hard it is to believe it's pronounced that way.

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Lemmyoutofhere 23 points 10 months ago

Just wait till you try “Lieutenant” in Britain or Canada.

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stray 6 points 10 months ago

You can find "leftenant" as a normal spelling in older texts. No one is sure why.

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Akasazh 3 points 10 months ago

right?

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Ftumch 15 points 10 months ago

Worcestershire

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RockySalad 1 point 10 months ago

omg "rcester" words are so hard

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djmikeale 6 points 10 months ago

Kernel

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stray 2 points 10 months ago

It was spelled with an R in the past, and they tried to change it to an L (because that's how it "properly" should be according to its origins), but only the spelling stuck, probably due to everyone being illiterate anyway.

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davel 27 points 10 months ago

Ask a German to pronounce “squirrel.”

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FriendOfDeSoto 21 points 10 months ago

The delightful thing is that it works in reverse also: ask a native English speaker to pronounce "Eichhörnchen."

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khannie 3 points 10 months ago

Eye-ch-urn-ken?

Irish and we have that gutteral Ch sound in Irish so I feel like it's a cheat code for us.

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FriendOfDeSoto 5 points 10 months ago

None of those ch's are guttural and you skipped an h;)

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khannie 2 points 10 months ago

So.... eye-ch-churn-chen?

First bit like Ike (edit: or Reich)

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Akasazh 3 points 10 months ago

he last is more -chun

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CuddlyCassowary 6 points 10 months ago

Or a French person.

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Witchfire 7 points 10 months ago

This one's actually funny to me. It's a bit of a meme that francophones struggle with squirrel and anglophones struggle with écureuil, but I personally had no trouble with it. You just have to hear it once.

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Cheesus 4 points 10 months ago

My francophone wife practiced saying squirrel for like 7 years before she was able to get it kinda right, so that's very impressive if true. It doesn't help that in my accent, it's pronounced as one syllable. Even good approximations of the pronunciation that I've heard by French speakers are usually done in two syllables.

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gilgameth 6 points 10 months ago

Or a person

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CuddlyCassowary 3 points 10 months ago

Is it tricky? English is my first language and it doesn’t seem difficult to me, but I never gave it much thought. So fascinating.

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otp 11 points 10 months ago

It only has a single vowel, which is an r-coloured vowel...which most languages don't have. For that matter, many languages don't even have our "r" sound, so colouring a vowel with "r" is incredibly hard when you don't even have that consonant to colour with!

Not to mention that after using that r-coloured vowel, you have a semi-syllabic L immediately afterwards. (Is squirrel one syllable or two? Depends on who you ask I guess!). As you may know, L and R are the same in some languages. And even if a language has both AND pronounces them the same ways as English (not necessarily common), they might not allow an L to follow an R! (Just like how we don't allow R to follow an L)

Oh, and which vowel are we colouring? "i" or the "short I". This is a very rare vowel, following a third dimension (tenseness) that the majority of other vowels don't use. Not common in other languages, either!

So that's the last two sounds.

The first three is a consonant cluster containing another uncommon consonant (w). And even ignoring that, s and k can't always be combined together in other languages.

So literally every sound in the word "squirrel" has something foreign and rare about it to many languages immediately as you start to get past that "s" sound. Brutal.

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gilgameth 1 point 10 months ago

It's not the trickiest, but it's not exactly easy to say it like the native speakers.

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Camille 2 points 10 months ago

What's the problem with Skouirrelle? :^)

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treep 2 points 10 months ago

Ends up as "skwiwwl" for me every time...

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Zoldyck 24 points 10 months ago

Worcestershire sauce

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W3dd1e 12 points 10 months ago

English as my first language and I can’t get that one right either.

No one can.

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Pumafred9 6 points 10 months ago

Wuh ster shuh. I live in that county, it's definitely over-hyped.

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feinstruktur 5 points 10 months ago

Oh, one really pronounces the 'shuh' part? I was told it's just the first two syllables.

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ProfessorScience 4 points 10 months ago

Just the first two syllables would be Worcester, which is also a place.

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AngryCommieKender 3 points 10 months ago

You don't say the last 'R'? I've always said it 'woo - stur - sure' or 'wi - stur - sure,' depending on how fast I say it.

I'm American though.

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communism 3 points 10 months ago

That's because you're American. That's how you say it with an American accent. Like think about how Brits say "sure" vs how Americans say "sure". Americans pronounce the R far more.

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stray 6 points 10 months ago

It helps to break it up.

worce - ster - shire

"Worcestershire sauce is the worst."

"Thousand island is worster."

"'Worster'? Sure."

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RockySalad 1 point 10 months ago

I say it wuss tuh sure

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Nemoder 2 points 10 months ago

odd, I never had an issue with WarChester sauce.

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TabbsTheBat 23 points 10 months ago

When I was younger it was any word where an R is followed by an L. Girl, world, twirl.. im better at them now tho

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sem 2 points 10 months ago

I know a kid who can't say these either but I didn't put together what it was before.

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deadbeef79000 17 points 10 months ago

The number of native English speakers who can't pronounce "specific" and instead say "pacific" is too damn high.

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otp 6 points 10 months ago

"sp" cluster can be hard. So can "sk" at the end of a word. Hence why you can get "axe" instead of "ask"

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goober 5 points 10 months ago

Little kid me would agree about the difficulty with the "sp" cluster. "Spoon" came out as "psoon".

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otp 3 points 10 months ago

Suh-poon is also reasonably common!

It if you speak Spanish, "Es-poon"!

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Ftumch 17 points 10 months ago

"The". The "th" in "the" is the only sound in English I can think of that doesn't have a very similar counterpart in Dutch. The closest you could get using just Dutch phonemes would be "zuh" or "duh".

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otp 5 points 10 months ago

Of course, we have two th sounds just to make things more fun

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BuboScandiacus 0 points 10 months ago

But dutch people area native English speakers

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spongebue 16 points 10 months ago

Don't feel bad, everyone. English pronunciation IS difficult, though through tough thorough thought, you can do it!

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RockySalad 2 points 10 months ago

You must say this out loud as an affirmation.

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Witchfire 15 points 10 months ago

When I was first learning as a kid, I used to pronounce three as tree. I actually got picked on a lot because of it, because middle schoolers are assholes

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vatlark 5 points 10 months ago path: 0 20990201 20990333, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 0
CoffeeTails 1 point 10 months ago

I never knew there was a difference, whoops

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gerryflap 11 points 10 months ago

The th sound is honestly a bit difficult. Three will end up sounding like either tree or free, but not three. Usually I just pronounce it as a slightly weird T. I have quite a Dutch accent anyways and that just something y'all will have to deal with ;p

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imouto 8 points 10 months ago

Two people scored the same after the first five. They were the... sixths.

It's a near miss of biting my tongue every time.

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Akasazh 0 points 10 months ago

sixths-sevenths?

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Pumafred9 1 point 10 months ago

Also to add, a lot of native speaking adults also struggle with the th sounding words, generally due to local accents.

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Pumafred9 1 point 10 months ago

It's a common one my brother! The F sound in free is made where your top teeth are on your bottom lips, and tongue is retracted. The th sound is when your tongue is resting on or just behind your top teeth, almost like you're smiling.

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LemmyKnowsBest 8 points 10 months ago

English is my first language but saying "edited it" drives me crazy.

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Lanske 4 points 10 months ago

Same goes for ' pocketed it'

And my first language is Dutch, but like to speak English

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LemmyKnowsBest 4 points 10 months ago

Agree! I seem to add an extra "dedede" in there.

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tamal3 4 points 10 months ago

As a math teacher, I hate "sixth" or "sixths."

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RockySalad 1 point 10 months ago

so hard to say omg

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BarneyPiccolo 2 points 10 months ago

For most new native English speakers, it's Spaghetti (pisketty) and Elephant (efalent). For my son it was Caterpillar (calapitter). I struggled with pronouncing Uncomfortable. I wanted to say every syllable.

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LemmyKnowsBest 2 points 10 months ago

You would be accurate if you pronounced every syllable of the word uncomfortable. Americans are just lazy, not pronouncing every syllable. Nobody would look at you strangely if you pronounced every syllable of that word. It would just seem like you're emphasizing HOW UNCOMFORTABLE you are if you pronounce every syllable of the word :-)

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BarneyPiccolo 3 points 10 months ago

No, I mean that as a kid, I wanted to say every syllable, but I found it difficult. I could hear adults saying it the easy way, but I wanted to know the real word. I loved to read as a kid, and soaked up every word I could find.

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RockySalad 1 point 10 months ago

calapitter aww

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BarneyPiccolo 1 point 10 months ago

I know, my wife would melt every time he said it.

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RockySalad 2 points 10 months ago

ME TOO omg

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Valmond 8 points 10 months ago

Ignominious anthropomorphic pauciloquy.

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khannie 6 points 10 months ago

I think many, many native speakers would struggle with those too so if you're at that level you're doing really well. Congrats!

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Valmond 2 points 10 months ago

The two first are pronounceable, the third not so much, for me at least 😅

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khannie 1 point 10 months ago

I can pronounce it but I don't think you have too much to worry about pal....I've come across that specific word about three times in my whole life.

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toothpaste_sandwich 8 points 10 months ago

I wouldn't say struggle, but I did wonder for a while how to pronounce "anemone".

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stray 4 points 10 months ago

Everyone has trouble with that one. There's even a joke about it in Finding Nemo. I don't imagine most English-speakers can spell it offhand.

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MoonMelon 3 points 10 months ago

I was listening to a best-selling author's recent audiobook, and the professional voice actress messed this one up. So you're in good company. Really, who can we blame but the Greeks?

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toothpaste_sandwich 3 points 10 months ago

That sounds like a universal truth if I ever heard one.

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Mobiuthuselah 2 points 10 months ago

I'm having a whole cognitive dissonance moment because I could've sworn it was "anenome". I even studied this in college and have an ecology degree. Likely over the last twenty years I convinced myself that the common incorrect pronunciation is correct, but I immediately looked it up and then tried to rationalize that it was some sort of mandala effect. The simplest answer is that it's confabulation on my part, and I'm wrong.

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stiephelando 7 points 10 months ago

Rural and squirrel

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smiletolerantly 3 points 10 months ago

Oh god yes

German?

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modus 3 points 10 months ago

I always thought it was amusing that both German and English have equally difficult words for those fuzzy little rodents. "Squirrel" and "eichhörnchen."

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BarneyPiccolo 2 points 10 months ago

Skwrl - no vowels

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snugglesthefalse 2 points 10 months ago

Sk-wirrel is how it usually breaks down in my head

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BarneyPiccolo 2 points 10 months ago

Rural juror.

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RockySalad 2 points 10 months ago path: 0 20998319 21010235 21022177, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 2
BarneyPiccolo 2 points 10 months ago

30 Rock had some of the best wordplay I've ever seen in any show.

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RockySalad 1 point 10 months ago

yeah, that and like Arrested Development 😂

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ace_garp 7 points 10 months ago

Facade as Fack-aid, is one.

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davel 5 points 10 months ago

*façade

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ace_garp 1 point 10 months ago

In France certainly.

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communism 4 points 10 months ago

I've never heard anyone of any native language pronounce it fack-aid? The English speakers I hear always say fuh-saad. Or are you saying that fack-aid is how you pronounce it and you struggle with fuh-saad?

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ace_garp 1 point 10 months ago

Most loan-words are hard for ESL learners, they retain the original language pronunciation and break many phonetic rules of English pronunciation.

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communism 1 point 10 months ago

Oh so you're saying the latter.

Fuh-saad is pretty in line with English pronunciation "rules" (though English doesn't really have pronunciation rules the same way other languages do—see though, through, cough, bough, etc). Maybe a more "English" way of saying it would be fuh-sayd, but I think the c would be interpreted as a soft c even if it weren't a loanword. Again, hard to say with English which is notoriously inconsistent though.

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Cricket 1 point 10 months ago

Same here.

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sem 3 points 10 months ago

Some English speakers pronounce that the french way

Niche is another weird one bc in some contexts it is pronouched the french way in others, "nitch".

The squirrel's ecological "nitch".

Finding your niche in the job market....

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Gumus 7 points 10 months ago

Corollary. Not only I can't say it out loud, I can't even form it properly with my inner voice.

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morphballganon 2 points 10 months ago

It's the names Korra and Larry put together.

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sireuz 6 points 10 months ago

Queue, schedule, vehicle - struggles of my life lol

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otp 4 points 10 months ago

Queue is just the name of the letter "Q".

But it "kyoo" might not be an easy sound depending on your mother tongue

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derpgon 5 points 10 months ago

I feel its more like "kyuu", or have I been mispronouncing it all the time?

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otp 3 points 10 months ago

"uu" would just be "oo" (most likely) in English, generally. I'm not sure what the difference would be

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Rai 2 points 10 months ago

Kyuu is perfect!

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deadbeef79000 2 points 10 months ago

Schedule (sk- or sh-) differs between countries/regions. So you're good either way.

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Melobol 6 points 10 months ago

There are words I really hate struggle with...
Whirl, macabre, dairy, faux, chique.

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pipes 5 points 10 months ago

So mostly you hate French :)

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Melobol 2 points 10 months ago

They just need to write what the heck they meant to say. :D

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5PACEBAR 5 points 10 months ago

I personally am having a hard time with "overwhelmingly"

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Yaky 5 points 10 months ago

I have to perform a context switch between "v" and "w" sounds, so words and phrases that contain both (e.g: "very well") sometimes end up with only "w" sounds. (My native language does not have a regular "W" sound)

But even after 20 years speaking it, English pronunciation is complete nonsense. Most of the time, you just need to memorize the words. Because trying to figure out how to say something, you also need to know if the word is borrowed from any other languages that use Latin alphabet, and then pronouce it pretending to speak that language. Simplest example: Mocha (moh-ka) and matcha (maht-cha). But there are countless borrowed words that don't change spelling in English.

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SaraTonin 4 points 10 months ago

I once watched a German YouTuber talk about learning English and how quickly she improved when she started working in an English office because she _ had_ to. In the video she says one of the things she’s always had difficulty with but is now much better at and almost never slips up on now is vs and ws. Then, immediately afterwards in the next sentence she goes “now in this wideo…”

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RockySalad 1 point 10 months ago

AGREED about English pronunciation, I don't think anybody truly understands

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_deleted_ 5 points 10 months ago

I always pronounced “only” as “on-lie”. I heard other people say “only” and couldn’t understand what they meant.

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pedz 4 points 10 months ago

Genuine. I still wonder if I pronounced it correctly every time I use the word.

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deadbeef79000 6 points 10 months ago

It either rhymes with "nine" or with "fin" depending on the phase of the moon.

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communism 4 points 10 months ago

I think I was just pronouncing everything wrong for the first several years I was speaking English because I learnt English from books and never heard most words out loud. But I don't remember anything being physically difficult to pronounce in terms of emulating how it's said when I first hear it pronounced "correctly".

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BeatTakeshi 4 points 10 months ago

Caveat

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Akasazh 3 points 10 months ago

It gets easier if you understand that it's a latin word, not english

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morphballganon 1 point 10 months ago

I struggled with that as a native english speaker at first

But now I realize the correct pronunciation sounds super cool

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monovergent 4 points 10 months ago

Words starting with th- (th-fronting) and plurals ending in -ths, -sps, etc.

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ving_thor 4 points 10 months ago

"Subtle". I can not pronounce it in a way that it sounds different to "saddle".

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khannie 5 points 10 months ago

Native. I say suttle. It's a dirty word from the spelling in fairness.

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pipes 2 points 10 months ago

According to the Macmillan they are [ˈsʌt(ə)l] vs [ˈsæd(ə)l], so the vowel changes slightly, but it depends on the speaker; I'm not native but I say saddle with a more open "a". But they're otherwise almost identical to me (in the British pronunciation included in the dictionary I hear a "t" both times, in the American one a "d" both times - which is how I say it too)

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transMexicanCRTcowfart 2 points 10 months ago
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_skj 2 points 10 months ago

Subtle is spelled weird, but rhymes with muddle. Do you also pronounce "mad" and "mud" the same way? With my accent they have the same first vowel sounds as saddle and subtle

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CannonFodder 1 point 10 months ago

Pretty sure subtle rhymes with shuttle.

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_skj 1 point 10 months ago

Sure, but shuttle also rhymes with muddle in my East coast US accent, at least in normal conversation. I can force myself to slow down and really enunciate the T, but even then the difference is easy to miss.

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morphballganon 1 point 10 months ago

Does it sound like "bat" when you say "butt"?

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YICHM 4 points 10 months ago

texts, clothes. consonant clusters.

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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 3 points 10 months ago

Sheet / Sheep / Shit / Ship

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Lumidaub 3 points 10 months ago

"Three" and "thread". Not because of the th, that's never been a problem (I learnt the basics very early in life when pronunciation was easy to learn), but because my mouth somehow wouldn't go from "th" to "r". It was only a few years ago when it suddenly clicked. Weirdly, I never had an issue saying "through" and "threat".

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enchantedgoldapple 3 points 10 months ago

'Anthropomorphous' is still like a tongue twsiter for me

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Khrux 2 points 10 months ago

I mean as a first language speaker, it is.

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Appoxo 3 points 10 months ago

[the]

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feinstruktur 3 points 10 months ago

Routing (e.g. for cables or traces on a pcb). I've heard both over the years: as in cangaroo or the german Frau. But the latter might be a german mis pronounciation.

Which brings up two new questions. Is it German or german and mispronounciation or mis pronounciation or mis-pronounciation?

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otp 6 points 10 months ago

Mispronunciation. "Mis" isn't a word, but a prefix (or something) that gets attached to another word to modify it. Since it's not its own word, it gets prepended to the root word ("pronounce" in this case) without a dash.

German would always have the capital. In English, proper nouns get capitalized. There's an official list, I'd bet, but a good rule of thumb is that titles (books, movies), specific place names (Germany, London, Abbey Road), people's names (Bob, Reiner), and "I" (but not "me" etc) are put into "Title Case". (Title case wouldn't be capitalized, I just typed it that way to demonstrate it)

I actually like a lot of the German capitalization rules. On the internet, a lot of people will be more casual with capitalization. Some people will capitalize "important words", or things that aren't proper nouns but have a different meaning than usual...but these kinds of things are improper.

As for routing (and router, and heck...route in general)...both are correct pronunciations of this "ou". I think "au" is more common for networking in North America, and "oo" is more common in other English-speaking countries (the UK, Australia...).

As for "route" as in "Route 56", I tend to hear and say both/either (I'm in North America).

Sorry it's so inconsistent!

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feinstruktur 2 points 10 months ago

Very precise answer. Thanks, I've learned something.

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otp 1 point 10 months ago

My apologies though, I got it backwards. I'll edit the comment to be accurate, but for router (networking stuff)...

"oo" is more common outside of North America.

"au" is more common in North America.

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khannie 2 points 10 months ago

Roo-ter is usually British and former colonies. Row-ter is north America.

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Jagarico 2 points 10 months ago

"sorry". I mainly use English in my daily life and at work for several years now, but cannot make it not sound like "sowy" or roll "r" too much.

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gucken 2 points 10 months ago

My friend has a hard time pronouncing 'teeth'. Just comes out sounding like 'tits'

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BarneyPiccolo 2 points 10 months ago

I'd suggest "choppers" but it would probably come out "knockers."

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Sybilvane 2 points 10 months ago

Absolutely.

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linucs 2 points 10 months ago

Entrepreneur

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floquant 2 points 10 months ago

For some reason I always trip up when saying "I appreciate it"

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otp 2 points 10 months ago

I feel like a lot of people just drop the "I a" and say "'preciate it!", lol

(That's assuming you're using it like "thank you", and aren't just starting a sentence)

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Alinor 2 points 10 months ago

Idea. Still not sure if I rponounce the "ea" correctly...

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stray 2 points 10 months ago

eye-dee-uh

It was I, Dia.

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jh29a 2 points 10 months ago

knowing how to spell definitely, and pronouncing drawer.

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Slatlun 2 points 10 months ago

For others, in my accent drawer rhymes with door and or. All spelled differently to get the same sound. None of the three are spelled phonetically by the 'rules' of English. They should be drore, dore, and ore.

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morphballganon 1 point 10 months ago

Incidentally, ore is a word. But you're right.

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morphballganon 1 point 10 months ago

Definitely's spelling is easier if you recognize that the root word is finite. De-finite-ly.

It's not finate. That's not a word (unless it's some bullshit word no one ever uses).

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basilisa 2 points 10 months ago
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Chyioko 2 points 10 months ago

Everything was hard. Even now I can't speak or pronounce every word. The reason: in my country learning english means learning how to write right, speaking is not important. So yeah, you have to teach yourself by speaking with others, if you find other people who really want to improve how to pronounce right. Even now I feel chills when I remember how my english teacher pronounced Switzerland.

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gbzm 2 points 10 months ago

"Lapel" was an interesting find. That and "development" really hammered in the importance of accentuation. I'm still unsure of what I want to do with "schedule". "Burger" sometimes sounds off when I say it.

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stray 1 point 10 months ago

Schedule depends on where you'd like to blend into. You've got:

  • skedjuhl
  • sked-juul
  • shed-juul
  • shedj-yuu-uhl
  • skedj-yuu-uhl

Possibly more! I think the ones with two syllables sound most common/least specific to a dialect. SK is more American and SH is more UK.

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treep 1 point 10 months ago

There are words I've only ever seen in writing and have no fucking clue how to pronounce.

Sometimes my partner and I disagree about the pronunciation of a word, only to eventually look it up and both be wrong.

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danciestlobster 1 point 10 months ago

I've heard "rug" is weird for many Europeans

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tostos 1 point 10 months ago

congratulations

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cliffracer_cloaka -6 points 10 months ago

None of them, English is an amazing language. I pronounce stuff like a bro.

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