If English wasn't your first language, maybe if you learned English later in life, were there any words that you had a really hard time learning how to pronounce? Do you think that had to do with the sounds made in your first language?
English as a second language learners: what words were really hard for you to pronounce?
10 months ago by RockySalad to c/asklemmy
If English wasn't your first language, maybe if you learned English later in life, were there any words that you had a really hard time learning how to pronounce? Do you think that had to do with the sounds made in your first language?
Just wait till you try “Lieutenant” in Britain or Canada.
omg "rcester" words are so hard
It was spelled with an R in the past, and they tried to change it to an L (because that's how it "properly" should be according to its origins), but only the spelling stuck, probably due to everyone being illiterate anyway.
The delightful thing is that it works in reverse also: ask a native English speaker to pronounce "Eichhörnchen."
None of those ch's are guttural and you skipped an h;)
Or a French person.
This one's actually funny to me. It's a bit of a meme that francophones struggle with squirrel and anglophones struggle with écureuil, but I personally had no trouble with it. You just have to hear it once.
My francophone wife practiced saying squirrel for like 7 years before she was able to get it kinda right, so that's very impressive if true. It doesn't help that in my accent, it's pronounced as one syllable. Even good approximations of the pronunciation that I've heard by French speakers are usually done in two syllables.
Is it tricky? English is my first language and it doesn’t seem difficult to me, but I never gave it much thought. So fascinating.
It only has a single vowel, which is an r-coloured vowel...which most languages don't have. For that matter, many languages don't even have our "r" sound, so colouring a vowel with "r" is incredibly hard when you don't even have that consonant to colour with!
Not to mention that after using that r-coloured vowel, you have a semi-syllabic L immediately afterwards. (Is squirrel one syllable or two? Depends on who you ask I guess!). As you may know, L and R are the same in some languages. And even if a language has both AND pronounces them the same ways as English (not necessarily common), they might not allow an L to follow an R! (Just like how we don't allow R to follow an L)
Oh, and which vowel are we colouring? "i" or the "short I". This is a very rare vowel, following a third dimension (tenseness) that the majority of other vowels don't use. Not common in other languages, either!
So that's the last two sounds.
The first three is a consonant cluster containing another uncommon consonant (w). And even ignoring that, s and k can't always be combined together in other languages.
So literally every sound in the word "squirrel" has something foreign and rare about it to many languages immediately as you start to get past that "s" sound. Brutal.
Oh, one really pronounces the 'shuh' part? I was told it's just the first two syllables.
Just the first two syllables would be Worcester, which is also a place.
You don't say the last 'R'? I've always said it 'woo - stur - sure' or 'wi - stur - sure,' depending on how fast I say it.
I'm American though.
That's because you're American. That's how you say it with an American accent. Like think about how Brits say "sure" vs how Americans say "sure". Americans pronounce the R far more.
I say it wuss tuh sure
When I was younger it was any word where an R is followed by an L. Girl, world, twirl.. im better at them now tho
The number of native English speakers who can't pronounce "specific" and instead say "pacific" is too damn high.
But dutch people area native English speakers
You must say this out loud as an affirmation.
Pilots say tree https://en.wikipedia.org/...
I never knew there was a difference, whoops
The th sound is honestly a bit difficult. Three will end up sounding like either tree or free, but not three. Usually I just pronounce it as a slightly weird T. I have quite a Dutch accent anyways and that just something y'all will have to deal with ;p
It's a common one my brother! The F sound in free is made where your top teeth are on your bottom lips, and tongue is retracted. The th sound is when your tongue is resting on or just behind your top teeth, almost like you're smiling.
English is my first language but saying "edited it" drives me crazy.
Agree! I seem to add an extra "dedede" in there.
so hard to say omg
For most new native English speakers, it's Spaghetti (pisketty) and Elephant (efalent). For my son it was Caterpillar (calapitter). I struggled with pronouncing Uncomfortable. I wanted to say every syllable.
You would be accurate if you pronounced every syllable of the word uncomfortable. Americans are just lazy, not pronouncing every syllable. Nobody would look at you strangely if you pronounced every syllable of that word. It would just seem like you're emphasizing HOW UNCOMFORTABLE you are if you pronounce every syllable of the word :-)
No, I mean that as a kid, I wanted to say every syllable, but I found it difficult. I could hear adults saying it the easy way, but I wanted to know the real word. I loved to read as a kid, and soaked up every word I could find.
calapitter aww
I know, my wife would melt every time he said it.
ME TOO omg
I wouldn't say struggle, but I did wonder for a while how to pronounce "anemone".
That sounds like a universal truth if I ever heard one.
I'm having a whole cognitive dissonance moment because I could've sworn it was "anenome". I even studied this in college and have an ecology degree. Likely over the last twenty years I convinced myself that the common incorrect pronunciation is correct, but I immediately looked it up and then tried to rationalize that it was some sort of mandala effect. The simplest answer is that it's confabulation on my part, and I'm wrong.
Rural and squirrel
Oh god yes
German?
Skwrl - no vowels
Sk-wirrel is how it usually breaks down in my head
Rural juror.
30 Rock had some of the best wordplay I've ever seen in any show.
yeah, that and like Arrested Development 😂
I've never heard anyone of any native language pronounce it fack-aid? The English speakers I hear always say fuh-saad. Or are you saying that fack-aid is how you pronounce it and you struggle with fuh-saad?
Oh so you're saying the latter.
Fuh-saad is pretty in line with English pronunciation "rules" (though English doesn't really have pronunciation rules the same way other languages do—see though, through, cough, bough, etc). Maybe a more "English" way of saying it would be fuh-sayd, but I think the c would be interpreted as a soft c even if it weren't a loanword. Again, hard to say with English which is notoriously inconsistent though.
Some English speakers pronounce that the french way
Niche is another weird one bc in some contexts it is pronouched the french way in others, "nitch".
The squirrel's ecological "nitch".
Finding your niche in the job market....
It's the names Korra and Larry put together.
Schedule (sk- or sh-) differs between countries/regions. So you're good either way.
I have to perform a context switch between "v" and "w" sounds, so words and phrases that contain both (e.g: "very well") sometimes end up with only "w" sounds. (My native language does not have a regular "W" sound)
But even after 20 years speaking it, English pronunciation is complete nonsense. Most of the time, you just need to memorize the words. Because trying to figure out how to say something, you also need to know if the word is borrowed from any other languages that use Latin alphabet, and then pronouce it pretending to speak that language. Simplest example: Mocha (moh-ka) and matcha (maht-cha). But there are countless borrowed words that don't change spelling in English.
I once watched a German YouTuber talk about learning English and how quickly she improved when she started working in an English office because she _ had_ to. In the video she says one of the things she’s always had difficulty with but is now much better at and almost never slips up on now is vs and ws. Then, immediately afterwards in the next sentence she goes “now in this wideo…”
AGREED about English pronunciation, I don't think anybody truly understands
It either rhymes with "nine" or with "fin" depending on the phase of the moon.
I think I was just pronouncing everything wrong for the first several years I was speaking English because I learnt English from books and never heard most words out loud. But I don't remember anything being physically difficult to pronounce in terms of emulating how it's said when I first hear it pronounced "correctly".
Caveat
I struggled with that as a native english speaker at first
But now I realize the correct pronunciation sounds super cool
Words starting with th- (th-fronting) and plurals ending in -ths, -sps, etc.
According to the Macmillan they are [ˈsʌt(ə)l] vs [ˈsæd(ə)l], so the vowel changes slightly, but it depends on the speaker; I'm not native but I say saddle with a more open "a". But they're otherwise almost identical to me (in the British pronunciation included in the dictionary I hear a "t" both times, in the American one a "d" both times - which is how I say it too)
Pretty sure subtle rhymes with shuttle.
Sure, but shuttle also rhymes with muddle in my East coast US accent, at least in normal conversation. I can force myself to slow down and really enunciate the T, but even then the difference is easy to miss.
Does it sound like "bat" when you say "butt"?
Sheet / Sheep / Shit / Ship
"Three" and "thread". Not because of the th, that's never been a problem (I learnt the basics very early in life when pronunciation was easy to learn), but because my mouth somehow wouldn't go from "th" to "r". It was only a few years ago when it suddenly clicked. Weirdly, I never had an issue saying "through" and "threat".
'Anthropomorphous' is still like a tongue twsiter for me
Routing (e.g. for cables or traces on a pcb). I've heard both over the years: as in cangaroo or the german Frau. But the latter might be a german mis pronounciation.
Which brings up two new questions. Is it German or german and mispronounciation or mis pronounciation or mis-pronounciation?
Mispronunciation. "Mis" isn't a word, but a prefix (or something) that gets attached to another word to modify it. Since it's not its own word, it gets prepended to the root word ("pronounce" in this case) without a dash.
German would always have the capital. In English, proper nouns get capitalized. There's an official list, I'd bet, but a good rule of thumb is that titles (books, movies), specific place names (Germany, London, Abbey Road), people's names (Bob, Reiner), and "I" (but not "me" etc) are put into "Title Case". (Title case wouldn't be capitalized, I just typed it that way to demonstrate it)
I actually like a lot of the German capitalization rules. On the internet, a lot of people will be more casual with capitalization. Some people will capitalize "important words", or things that aren't proper nouns but have a different meaning than usual...but these kinds of things are improper.
As for routing (and router, and heck...route in general)...both are correct pronunciations of this "ou". I think "au" is more common for networking in North America, and "oo" is more common in other English-speaking countries (the UK, Australia...).
As for "route" as in "Route 56", I tend to hear and say both/either (I'm in North America).
Sorry it's so inconsistent!
Very precise answer. Thanks, I've learned something.
My apologies though, I got it backwards. I'll edit the comment to be accurate, but for router (networking stuff)...
"oo" is more common outside of North America.
"au" is more common in North America.
I'd suggest "choppers" but it would probably come out "knockers."
For others, in my accent drawer rhymes with door and or. All spelled differently to get the same sound. None of the three are spelled phonetically by the 'rules' of English. They should be drore, dore, and ore.
Incidentally, ore is a word. But you're right.
Definitely's spelling is easier if you recognize that the root word is finite. De-finite-ly.
It's not finate. That's not a word (unless it's some bullshit word no one ever uses).
Everything was hard. Even now I can't speak or pronounce every word. The reason: in my country learning english means learning how to write right, speaking is not important. So yeah, you have to teach yourself by speaking with others, if you find other people who really want to improve how to pronounce right. Even now I feel chills when I remember how my english teacher pronounced Switzerland.
Schedule depends on where you'd like to blend into. You've got:
Possibly more! I think the ones with two syllables sound most common/least specific to a dialect. SK is more American and SH is more UK.
There are words I've only ever seen in writing and have no fucking clue how to pronounce.
Sometimes my partner and I disagree about the pronunciation of a word, only to eventually look it up and both be wrong.
I've heard "rug" is weird for many Europeans
None of them, English is an amazing language. I pronounce stuff like a bro.
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Colonel.
Less of how hard it is to actually pronounce, more like how hard it is to believe it's pronounced that way.
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