Democratic Leaders Face Backlash Over 'Cowardly' Responses to Trump War on Iran
6 months ago by inclementimmigrant to c/politics
The best Democratic leadership Israeli money can buy.
It's hard not to look at them as controlled opposition.
They’re on the same team (capital).
Its no where near center right, center on the scale doesn't move, just the parties. Dems haven't been center right in decades
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More like (not so) good cop, and (psychopatically) bad cop.
Kamala Harris (before the election): Iran is America's greatest adversary.
Also Kamala Harris (before the election): She wants America to have the most "lethal" military. Not the most powerful, effective, advanced, or strongest. Specifically "lethal."
Absolutely. I'm really at my limit of the whole blue no matter who bullshit after this round of elections and capitulation.
No point in harm reduction of you can't even stand up to war crimes when it matters.
You should still vote blue if all else was equal but you should probably try and get people out in the primaries so your choice of blue is actually useful.
I think Americans should be way more interested in their primaries than the actual election but they don't seem to be.
Local and representative primaries sure. What happened to Bernie Sanders in 2016 severely damaged the credibility of presidential "Democratic" Party primaries.
I agree. That’s where they make the biggest mistakes; not participating in the primaries and the elections which appoint local and state officials.
Its the same for both the centrists and the further left; they have this pitched battle with each other and whine about the final candidate who isn’t changing, but they did nothing about that earlier.
They’ll tell you the system is rigged, yet they’ll watch droves of Republicans do just this and get their horrible people in.
They’ve been doing this shit for years too, that and elect lunatics.
I mean they are litterally breaking a momentum for a blue wave which has never ever been at the scale this one the potential for.
Every sitting Democrat is lining up to pull an Andrew Cuomo when most races are lucky to have someone like Curtis Sliwa on the other side of the ballot line.
At least the primaries aren't over yet. This might be what candidates like Talarico and Abughazaleh need to squeeze over the line... so they can join a rump minority of progressives in a legislature that's green lighting another $50B to bomb Cuba in 2027.
Abughazaleh
Be careful putting all your hope on this campaign. Kat's tied for second, not a distant second, but a solid second. She's well ahead (90%+) with 18-35's. But I do think she's a long shot after looking into the polling (the only polling on this race). I'd put the probability of Kat victory at 20%.
Poll was conducted via
The poll reached voters through text-to-web messages and automated landline calls using “interactive voice response,” or IVR.
It was about 22% land line, 77% text to web. Now I'm always a bit dubious of "polls of likely voters", because they almost exclusively rely on whatever cohort voted last election. But we work with the data we've got, not the data we want.
Something striking is that Biss is not as far ahead as we might expect them to be. I think its going to be tight on election day, tighter than what this poll suggests.
If you look at the cross tabs, Basically, Biss voters split between Kat and Fine as second choice, and all Fine voters break to Biss, and all Kat voters also break to Biss.
Basically, the least popular candidate to Fine voters is Kat, and the least popular candidate to Kat voters is fine. The electorate is very split in this race, and Biss is the benefactor of this. Likewise, there is substantial splitting on the DSA vote. Bushra got the DSA endorsement, not Kat, and that might have been the killer. There is clearly some local infighting happening here, where DSA leadership didn't like Kat or some such (maybe they view her as a primadonna). Regardless, almost all Bushra voters break to Kat, and they are one of the only candidates where most of their voters break in such a specific way.
If this were typical times and typical campaigns, i'd say Kats done and Biss is going to win this. However, key issue I identified early: this is a poll of "likely voters". Polling based on this kind of sampling suffers from a "the past is the future" assumption. One thing has been clear about Kat's campaign is that its not traditional. If Kat has been focusing on building votership into the primary, as in, recruiting unlikely voters to engage, then these results are actually very positive for her, because polling will always underestimate that strategy.
Be careful putting all your hope on this campaign
No no. She's an outside long shot on a good day. I've seen the polls. But the Iran War puts some of her most popular issues at the forefront of the race.
If you look at the cross tabs, Basically, Biss voters split between Kat and Fine as second choice, and all Fine voters break to Biss, and all Kat voters also break to Biss.
With some enormous undecides floating in the wind. It's absolutely Biss's race to lose. But as Fine gets more money and support to challenge Kat and Biss, she's defining herself more strictly as a pro-Hasbara candidate. And she's doing it in a race where Israel is a highly polarizing issue.
If this were typical times and typical campaigns, i’d say Kats done and Biss is going to win this. However, key issue I identified early: this is a poll of “likely voters”.
Like with Mamdani, a big turnout spike would favor the more progressive primary challengers simply because the high profile issues favor Kat's campaign.
But also, it's Chicago Politics and that shit's cutthroat. Rahm Emanuel could jump out from behind a bush and just stab a bunch of candidates, idfk.
Yeah I'd need to look closely at the districts demographics and citing characteristics. Seeing Kat on stage for the debate, I think she came across as a little green. Which doesn't bother me, but there was a defensiveness in their tone that neither of the other top candidates had.
I might dig into the district a bit further later to look at the districts demographics. Ill ping you if I get around to that.
I thought they couldn't top their failures of 2010, but here we are
Literally, not figuratively?
Bleaters.
Does anyone expect pushback from this dem leadership???
Pretty sure we are already cooked frankly. Even if we get Republicans out, It's more than likely old guard Democrats will stick around. And they will do nothing... again. So that next time republicans win (and they will within a few cycles, tops. people here are dumb. Really, really dumb.) they will still be free to keep doing the bullshit they are doing now.
Don't get me wrong, I'm still gonna vote. I'm still gonna fight this shit in whatever other ways are available to me as a non-wealthy citizen. Admittedly that doesn't add up to much but still, ya gotta do what ya can, even if it feels fruitless. Rolling over and giving up just gets us even more extreme fascism even faster.
Democrats will stick around. And they will do nothing
If they did nothing that would actually be an improvement. But what they do is make sure they use their seniority in the party to keep newly elected dems from replacing them on committee chairmanships and leadership roles. I.e. Whip and Minority leader.
I agree. But when I say turn over 3/4 of sitting politicians, I mean specifically the Do Nothing Democrats. I specifically mean that americans need to primary challenge democrats every election to keep them on the side of the people and not the corporate donors.
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Regardless of your opinion on AOC, this documentary about how she got elected lays out the steps.
Independent local grassroots electoral movement. Dedicated to getting/organizing volunteers, signature gathering, door knocking, everything from getting candidates on the ballot to winning in the election.
Candidate nominations. AOC didn't sign up, her BIL or someone nominated her and the Grassroots Movement approached her to run.
PRIMARIES. PRIMARIES. PRIMARIES. Target establishment DNCs who clearly have more in common with corporate lobbyists than their own constituents.
Run the numbers game. Only 1/4 of their candidates won. Democrats should face a primary EVERY SINGLE ELECTION.
Where are all the “good” candidates? There’s a few whose name is tossed around but you’re talking hundreds.
That detective, is the right question.
They don't exist yet.
Regardless of your opinion on AOC, this documentary about how she got elected lays out the steps.
Independent local grassroots electoral movement. Dedicated to getting/organizing volunteers, signature gathering, door knocking, everything from getting candidates on the ballot to winning in the election.
Candidate nominations. AOC didn't sign up, her BIL or someone nominated her and the Grassroots Movement approached her to run.
PRIMARIES. PRIMARIES. PRIMARIES. Target establishment DNCs who clearly have more in common with corporate lobbyists than their own constituents.
Run the numbers game. Only 1/4 of their candidates won. Democrats should face a primary EVERY SINGLE ELECTION.
"We'll keep buying arms from you and using your dollar for international trade, but... you better topple your government"
thanks buddy
I have, and that's why I know YOUR country is a part of the beast, pal, a tentacle of the squid
Yeah, it's really hard to stand up to the superpower USA. If your entire country won't do it (don't' want to get toppled!), you think we (civilians with no military) can?
Ah well... we don't want to get our democracies toppled, you know what I mean, don't you?
You need to read more books. Try "Legacy of Ashes", champ
I also think this is a strange thing for Europeans to ask. Their world leaders keep capitulating to Trump and getting photographed with him having sit-down negotiations and going to lunch and shit like that. They have their own military and their own world leaders and won't stand up to him, yet they expect civillians with no military training to do so? We can't do anything.
Secretly?
Some Democrats have been strongly against it by explaining how gas prices might increase and in light of all the illegal bombings and murder that it's going to cost the average voter more to fill up their vehicle.
"Let's not murder people in another country because it might slightly inconvenience us at home!"
Wow. Such argument. Most strong. Not that I expect the Democraps to do much more than put out a letter that's totally in the mail right now.
Well, to be fair, that's all Americans care about.
they're cowards about the fucking Epstein files, 90% of them only got elected because of aipac
90%? You are not giving aipac enough credit
Consider this: Epstein was working for Mossad.
"Don't blame me, I voted for Kudos".
It's crazy to see a Congo Line of (D) Senators go on cable news and announce "I love our President's war in Iran, I just wish he'd asked us nicely first", as videos and pictures trickle in of whole schools being massacred and neighborhood hospitals flattened.
The same folks who were screaming "This never would have happened under Harris" a month ago have come out pledging unswerving allegiance to the Israeli flag over the weekend.
Im more interested in why we aren't excoriating Republicans. They can end this all today.
Dems have never had a war they haven't been foaming at the mouth to get into
What the republicans can’t win because their ideas are shitty the democrats will hand them because they’re spineless.
"Ladles and Jellyspoons! Please welcome the MAGA comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries!"
"BOOOOO! GIVE'EM THE HOOK!"
This is what you get when you think the reason your party won in 2012 is because memes pointing out, that Obama was a good Christian and Romney had several divorces...
Blame the Christian majority in this country and it's oldest obsession with the so called holy land
Blaming AIPAC money and those spineless enough to take it would be closer to the mark.
The silver lining is this sets up progressives to sweep the primaries pretty nicely
If Trump says something, better believe it.
Primaries at least are happening. So we'll at least see the DNC get what's coming to them.
Whether the general election happens or not, is grounds for speculation. I'm not naïve to think there's no chance of fuckery, but I'm not entirely cynical either. Either way, it will be a difficult autumn.
I always thought "Israeli money" was a bit of an oxymoron...
Backlash? How will they ever survive?
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I mean they are litterally breaking a momentum for a blue wave which has never ever been at the scale this one the potential for.
With good leadership Dems could be heading into something so big the Republicans wouldn't be able to to come back.
But instead weve got these two
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