Also they started a Civil War after that, given the domestic political situation that's not too far off either.
Also they started a Civil War after that, given the domestic political situation that's not too far off either.
We don't think the world sees us as the Avengers anymore. At this point things are so bad here we've stopped thinking (which is different than not caring) about how the world thinks of us. For fuck's sake our president started a war when we weren't looking. It's like riding in a bus the size of a football field being driven by a drunk, that's what living in America is like.
"when we weren't looking" sounds like a cop out
We were looking, just not there. There was literally no preamble to this war, Iran wasn't even in the news.
Graham senator guy has been goading for a war with Iran since 2010 or even earlier
What do you mean anymore? Have a look at Wikipedia. They are the asshole neighbours for many decades.
For fuck’s sake our president started a war when we weren’t looking.
But you'd be fine with it if he did it while you were looking, of course
My point is that we're so inundated with terrible news and horrific policy we can't start to mount an opposition to a specific change before the next horror arises. We had military occupations in our cities which have been forgotten because that was half a dozen scandals ago.
Personally I've been in panic mode for a year because I was a government contractor before Trump let Elon Musk lay me off. Due to the economy Trump is directly responsible for the only job I could find pays 1/4 of what I was making with no benefits.
Now there is a war. I'm going hungry.
My point is that we’re so inundated with terrible news and horrific policy we can’t start to mount an opposition to a specific change before the next horror arises.
You didn't do that under previous presidents either.
Personally I’ve been in panic mode for a year because I was a government contractor before Trump let Elon Musk lay me off. Due to the economy Trump is directly responsible for the only job I could find pays 1/4 of what I was making with no benefits.
Damn, truly nobody has been more mistreated by the US Empire than you. I'm sure the people Gaza would be horrified if they only knew.
Now there is a war.
And apparently it would be ok if it wasn't started behind your back?
He's not asking for your pity, or mine. He's explaining why he and many other Americans are feeling helpless and are finding it difficult to mount a resistance, eventhough they know they should.
Interstingly sanctions had this same effect on the Iranian middle class. No way to revolt and replace the government when your rent is double your income.
Ahh yes. Quantification of suffering to dismiss it as invalid. The ol' .ml classic.
More of you could have gone out to vote against him. More of you could go to more than a one day protest once every few months.
Make May 1st your general nationwide strike with more people than the pitiful efforts that have been seen at this point.
I think something most of the outside world doesn't understand about the USA, there are very few "us" unless you're conservative. It's a hyper individualistic society in an extremely large geographic area. The idea of collective anything is a foreign concept to me and I'm literally in a work union for the first time in my life for the worst job I've ever had. Unless my current Union is ok with the strike I can't afford to skip work. If I didn't have a union then the striking would be completely out of the question. I've been let go from jobs at the drop of a hat growing up in a "right to work state". There isn't a social safety net and my neighbors are completely ok with me becoming homeless. People who get to protest I've viewed as being privileged beyond my means. Community here is for the privileged and I'm scraping by to survive.
Then you have nothing to lose, except what little freedom you have left to continue this endless suffering of hand to mouth bullshit.
I can lose my life. I can lose my health. I can lose my freedom. All those things could happen with a high chance of failure without anything changing. In fact I could make the situation worse. The failed assassination attempt on Trump boosted his poll numbers and contributed to his victory and his paranoia.
It's very easy for people like you to tell me to sacrifice, but people like you will never help me.
Make a sacrifice for me first. Do anything to make my life tolerable. Put your money where your mouth is. Then we will discuss what I'm freed up to do to help the world.
You say this like it was any better before Trump
Most of the people commenting here were probably children before trump. What did you want the children to do?
Realise that it wasn't better before Trump
We've been protesting weekly here in MN.
Let's go! 55 weeks in a row now here.
Every day, all day, clog the arteries of industry.
The Democrats were literal fascism, genocide apologist
There really should be an American flag over Scotland in that one.
It really should be British one.
It's very funny to see Japan, Vietnam, and the Philippines complain about China, given that China's not the one that had a boot on their necks for the last 80 years.
You have to deny so many American atrocities to make a map like this.
Is Israel green in the bottom map or not? 🧐
Even Antarctica!
Most Americans hate trump now too
Why does this map label the US as “North America” in the first version?
That’s a really weird error.
Canada hated them before Trump.
US citizen here. We hate it. Fuck Trump and his pedo defenders. Burn it all down and start over.
Why are you using the "Spaceball dollar" for most international trade?
Why are you buying your weapons from the Spaceball?
Why do you make deals conceding power to the Spaceball?
Why does the Spaceball get a UN veto?
WHY
Because I need oxygen to live and they're the ones selling it.
Need Frank Castle in the top photo. Bottom picture should replace center photo, and bottom photo should be replaced by the video of that orangutan driving a golf cart or a photo of a group monkeys, some masterbating and some flinging excrement.
Before you laugh to hard at the Spaceballs, consider that they did very nearly asphyxiate an entire planet.
"the americans can be relied upon to do the right thing, once all other options have been exhausted" --paraphrasing winston churchill
It used to be that I hated government, not the people. Now even with people I have to consider there are openly fascist ones supporting Trump.
Government and people are tightly linked. Governments tend not to stray too far from what their people believe, at least openly, since they want to keep power, and their heads. The fact that the US is now openly doing what its been doing for decades behind closed doors and pretending not to do, means that they at the very least hold the belief that a large portion of the population is willing, open to, and/or indifferent to their actions, finally. Makes sense though, since most US americans are disgusting, racist, fascist, self-centred isolationist rubbish, and have been for a long time. The self aware ones, or those who become self-aware after invading some far off country and realising that they are in fact, the baddies (only after torching a village or tormenting the local populace) are few and far between.
I saw a video recently of a US soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan, Id say sometime in the 2000s (2000-2010), complaining that they're not allowed to retaliate (shoot is actually the word he used) children who it seens regularly threw rocks at their vehicles along that particular stretch of road, and he didnt seem to realise that he was the invader, nor that those are fucking kids and what he was saying was abnormal and sick...
Unrealistic. Everyone already knows Vance isn't that tall and Trump isn't nearly that smart.
I would just say don't do Spaceballs wrong like that... But no.
The actions of the US government have been so destructive that they are comparable to the empire in the dumbest way possible.
WE ARE THE SPACEBALLS
I hate the whole ppl gotta die part of the Iran conflict, but im loving the straight of hormuz shit and kinda give the orange ape credit for this total win.
Gas needs to be waaay more expensive, so that the economy changes and we become less dependent on oil.
As oil becomes more expensive, companies switch to rail, electrify their fleets, and source more locally. Price signaling is amazing for the usa's economy...even tho its hard at first, its more meaningful
No, no, we see the bottom picture as well. Except we saw that lord big helmet shat himself.
I'm an American, and I approve this message.
Don't need ya drugs, and we don't ? ya grandma
Haven't seen anything pointing to OP being Chinese (nor would that be a problem), but it's a good thing to hate the US Empire.
Edit: responding to your edit, there are a lot of us communists here on Lemmy because communists made Lemmy.
I’m a Chinese American you twats.
My condolences
is Chinese
I immediately crapped myself and fainted when I read this
I’m a Chinese American
It is very funny to see a man who is going to be lined up against the wall under the current administration defend it so adamantly.


America was isolationist until they were dragged kicking and screaming into the war. Churchill was regularly crossing the Atlantic to beg Roosevelt to try to garner enough support to join the war. The American people did not care. The majority were against joining the war.
All the same today, The majority of Americans either support MAGA or are indifferent. Short of some great personal injury such as a Pearl Harbor type event, Americans will continue to be as they are.
The idea that Americans were anti-fascist heroes is propaganda. They were only angry that they got got by Japan.
The soviets saved the world from fascism, 4/5ths of Nazi deaths were on the Eastern Front. The US took advantage of its new privledged position after World War II to become the world hegemonic empire, which leads us to today. Before World War II, it was and still is to this day a genocidal settler colony.
Hitler and Stalin were allies from 1939 to 1941. Stalin's incompetence in the 1930s lead to the deaths of millions of Soviets, and imperiled millions more;
Churchill, for all his faults—and he had a several very bad faults—at least took Hitler seriously;
but yes, the Soviets fought harder than any Ally.

The communists were never allies with the Nazis. A non-aggression pact is not an alliance. The communists spent the decade prior trying to form an anti-Nazi coalition force, such as the Anglo-French-Soviet Alliance which was pitched by the communists and rejected by the British and French. The communists hated the Nazis from the beginning, as the Nazi party rose to prominence by killing communists and labor organizers, cemented bourgeois rule, and was violently racist and imperialist, while the communists opposed all of that.
When the many talks of alliances with the west all fell short, the Soviets reluctantly agreed to sign a non-agression pact, in order to delay the coming war that everyone knew was happening soon. Throughout the last decade, Britain, France, and other western countries had formed pacts with Nazi Germany, such as the Four-Power Pact, the German-French-Non-Agression Pact, and more. Molotov-Ribbentrop was unique among the non-agression pacts with Nazi Germany in that it was right on the eve of war, and was the first between the USSR and Nazi Germany. It was a last resort, when the west was content from the beginning with working alongside Hitler.

Harry Truman, in 1941 in front of the Senate, stated:
If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia, and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don’t want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances.
Not only that, but it was the Soviet Union that was responsible for 4/5ths of total Nazi deaths, and winning the war against the Nazis. The Soviet Union did not agree to invade Poland with the Nazis, it was about spheres of influence and red lines the Nazis should not cross in Poland. When the USSR went into Poland, it stayed mostly to areas Poland had invaded and annexed a few decades prior. Should the Soviets have let Poland get entirely taken over by the Nazis, standing idle? The West made it clear that they were never going to help anyone against the Nazis until it was their turn to be targeted.
Churchill did not take the Nazis as a serious threat, and was horrified when FDR and Stalin made a joke about executing Nazis. Churchill starved millions to death in India in preventable ways, and had this to say about it:
I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits.
Meanwhile, the soviet famine in the 1930s was the last major famine outside of wartime in the USSR, because collectivized farming achieved food security in a region where famine was common. As a consequence, life expectancy doubled:

The Nazis and soviets were never allies. A non-aggression pact is not an alliance, and the non-aggression pact between the soviets and the Nazis was unique among the other non-aggression pacts in that it was on the eve of war. The soviets knew war was coming, and so bought more time to prepare.
Not sure what including an example of the social fascism of the SPD at the end there is supposed to do for your point.
The communists were never allies with the Nazis. A non-aggression pact is not an alliance.
They kind of acted like allies, particularly with regards to Poland, which they split between themselves, and before you cite that it was a preemptive strike—I suppose a sort of "the Nazis-will-invade-Poland-before-us-so-we-might-as-well-have-a-chunk-of-it-right-now-to-fight-there-rather-in-our-beloved-Soviet-Motherland"—there are things like the wp:Katyn massacre. Again, Stalin's purges hurt the Soviet's ability to counter the Nazis, and I'll add maybe scared more Germans into voting for Nazis.
The communists spent the decade prior trying to form an anti-Nazi coalition force, such as the Anglo-French-Soviet Alliance which was pitched by the communists and rejected by the British and French.
It might be due to bad PR: while Hitler was having his Nuremberg rally and the Berlin Olympics, Stalin was having his purges.
The communists hated the Nazis from the beginning, as the Nazi party rose to prominence by killing communists and labor organizers, cemented bourgeois rule, and was violently racist and imperialist, while the communists opposed all of that.
Agreed, but both Communists and Nazis were also anti-liberal—a lot of Germans were liberal—but I suppose the KPD weren't really into coalition-building with liberals and/or democrats in those days.
When the many talks of alliances with the west all fell short, ..., It was a last resort, when the west was content from the beginning with working alongside Hitler.
Yes, but I don't think the others involved carving up other countries, with the exception of Czechoslovakia, and the idiot British PM who was responsible for that resigned soon after it backfired, while after Molotov-Ribbentrop, Stalin continued to rule until his death in 1953.
Harry Truman, in 1941 in front of the Senate, stated:
If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia, and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don’t want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances.
and some Americans believed in continued neutrality for similar reasons.
Not only that, but it was the Soviet Union that was responsible for 4/5ths of total Nazi deaths, and winning the war against the Nazis.
and kudos to the people of the USSR.
The Soviet Union did not agree to invade Poland with the Nazis,
I presume it was implied.
When the USSR went into Poland, it stayed mostly to areas Poland had invaded and annexed a few decades prior.
Presumably they hit the areas defended not by the Nazis but by the Poles—i.e. the eastern part.
Should the Soviets have let Poland get entirely taken over by the Nazis, standing idle?
wp:Poland–Russia relations#Soviet Union
For the next two decades, Poland was seen by the Soviet Union as an enemy and, along with Germany (under both the Weimar Republic and the Third Reich), as a "politically illegitimate" state created by the Allied Powers during World War I at the expense of Germany and Russia.[15][16] During the interwar period Joseph Stalin feared a coordinated Polish-Japanese two-front invasion. Numerous residents of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic also fled across the border to Poland in protest of the First Five-Year Plan's collectivization policies and the Holodomor.[16] The Soviet Union supported subversive activities of the Communist Party of Poland, the Communist Party of Western Belarus, and the Communist Party of Western Ukraine. Poland in turn sent secret agents across the border to encourage rebellion against Soviet rule, which caused Stalin to begin to associate Poles in the Soviet Union with nationalist dissident and terrorist groups. The NKVD murdered 111,091 Poles during the Polish Operation and deported many families to Kazakhstan. Fears of a Polish invasion and external espionage also gave justification to the general internal repression of the Great Purge in the 1930s. Nevertheless, the USSR and Poland concluded a formal Non-Aggression Pact in 1932.[16]
So I guess Moscow and Warsaw weren't getting along.
wp:Soviet invasion of Poland#Soviet invasion of Poland
The Soviets demanded the right to enter these countries in case of a security threat.[50] Talks on military matters, that had begun in mid-August, quickly stalled over the topic of Soviet troop passage through Poland in the event of a German attack. British and French officials pressured the Polish government to agree to the Soviet terms.[51][52] However, Polish officials bluntly refused to allow Soviet troops to enter Polish territory upon expressing grave concerns that once Red Army troops had set foot on Polish soil, they might decline demands to leave.[53] Thereupon Soviet officials suggested that Poland's objections be ignored and that the tripartite agreements be concluded.[54] The British refused the proposal, fearing that such a move would encourage Poland to establish stronger bilateral relations with Germany.[55]
So a country that was partially-at-least ruled by the Kremlin, didn't want soldiers ruled by the Kremlin in their country again.
I just checked this out:
(my bold)
He served in the Imperial Russian Army during World War I, and in 1918, joined the Red Army and fought with distinction during the Russian Civil War. Rokossovsky rose to hold senior Red Army commands by 1937, when he fell victim to Joseph Stalin's Great Purge and was branded a traitor, imprisoned and tortured. After Soviet failures in the Winter War, Rokossovsky was released from prison in 1940 and returned to command of an army corps.
What was this Polish commie doing in a commie prison?
more evidence of Stalin's idiocy.
Churchill did not take the Nazis as a serious threat, and was horrified when FDR and Stalin made a joke about executing Nazis. Churchill starved millions to death in India in preventable ways, and had this to say about it:
I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits.
I'll have to check that out. Maybe I've overestimated him; and yes, he at least seems to have been genocidal, though such would give fuel (might have given fuel) to non-racist isolationists in the US and neutral European countries, such as those in Switzerland and Ireland.
Meanwhile, the soviet famine in the 1930s was the last major famine outside of wartime in the USSR, because collectivized farming achieved food security in a region where famine was common. As a consequence, life expectancy doubled:
anti-Communist ≠ necessarily pro-Tsarist
After Stalin died and Khrushchev took over, things seemed to improve.
Under capitalism—however regulated—Ukraine—IIUC—is a food exporter; though the the Kremlin is still making them suffer.
The soviets knew war was coming, and so bought more time to prepare.
Besides invading Poland and fighting the Poles, I wonder what did the Soviets do in those 22⅓ months to prepare that they didn't do in the several years previous.
Not sure what including an example of the social fascism of the SPD at the end there is supposed to do for your point.
(my bold)
The KPD under Thälmann's leadership regarded the Social Democratic Party (SPD) as an adversary and the party adopted the position that the social democrats were "social fascists". Both the SPD and KPD were already previously split on many key issues, however, this new stance clarified it was impossible for the two parties to form a united front against the Nazi Party.
Thälmann was leader of the paramilitary Roter Frontkämpferbund. After the Nazi regime began, he was arrested by the Gestapo in 1933 and held in solitary confinement for eleven years. Stalin and Vyacheslav Molotov originally sought Thälmann’s release;[3] after the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, efforts to that end were abandoned,[4] while Thälmann's party rival Walter Ulbricht ignored requests to plead on his behalf. Thälmann was shot dead on Adolf Hitler's personal order in Buchenwald in 1944.
I hope he died with the consolation that at least maybe many "social fascists" were also executed by the Nazis.
FWIW,
and,
To be clear, the way the soviets treated the Nazis was entitely different from the way the US did. The soviets kept them under maximum security, paid them low wages, and kept them on the tightest leash possible. The US gave them high positions in government, sent many to countries like Canada and Argentina, and gave them leading roles in organizations like NATO.
Despite this, the affected specialists and their families were doing well compared to citizens of the Soviet Union and the Soviet Zone, apart from the suffering of deportation and isolation. The specialists earned more than their Soviet counterparts.
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After this period of intellectual quarantine had passed, the specialists returned to Germany between 1950 and 1958, the majority of them before 1954.[5] Before leaving, they were taught to keep their years in the Soviet Union secret. Some specialists received chairs in GDR universities (e.g., Werner Albring, Waldemar Wolff), became an East German party official like Erich Apel.
I checked out the article on this guy:
He was tireless in his work of calculation, measuring and modelling.[6] He seems to have made a good impression, since in August 1940 he was relieved of all further obligations regarding military service. In November 1940 he was appointed to the position of plant engineer and assistant to the facility director.[1] He was totally uninterested in politics, never joining the party, and regarded by colleagues as a dedicated engineer, body and soul.[6]
...
Even if Apel had nothing to do with setting up and running the vast deadly forced labour infrastructure, as the engineer responsible for the rockets he was naturally associated with it.
...
In June 1954, already a junior government minister, Apel became a candidate for party membership. Membership was granted in March 1957.[1] Slightly more than one year later, in July 1958, he became a candidate for Central Committee membership.[9] In July 1960 Apel became one of approximately 112 members of the powerful Party Central Committee.[1][10]
Some people think conversions are possible, I suppose.
wp:Sterling Hayden (March 26, 1916 – May 23, 1986)
He received the Silver Star for gallantry in action in the Balkans and Mediterranean (according to his citation, "Lt. Hamilton displayed great courage in making hazardous sea voyages in enemy-infested waters and reconnaissance through enemy-held areas"), a Bronze Arrowhead device for parachuting behind enemy lines, and a commendation from Yugoslavia's Josip Broz Tito. He left active duty on December 24, 1945.[19] Tito awarded him the Order of Merit.[20]

I want to note that the grandparents of the modern day Americans saved us from oppression and fascism
If you’re talking about WW2 then you’re wrong
Like many of his contemporaries, he was an American who had/has modern day grandchildren, and probably did more to fight fascism than many Lemmy leftists.
Who's "us", asshole? America has been a genocidal settler colony for centuries
My grandfather served in the same Americanmilitary who thought it was inappropriate for him to die in the same trench as a black man or for women to wear pants. I'm not really interested in fluffing their generation - they're perfectly happy doing it themselves.
@lemmy.ml
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Actually the Avengers from Age Of Ultron is appropriate because they destroyed a country fighting an enemy of their own creation and expected everyone to congratulate them for it.
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