rust blasphemy (added context)

2 months ago by siriusmart to c/programmer_humor

made in gimp, with <3

Context for actual rust programmers

I was having massive beef with the rust compiler yesterday, every cargo check takes 20 seconds.

And then look at the three functions below, only one of them are Send, if you know why, please let me know.

(Note: value that is not Send cannot be held across an await point, and Box is not Send)

async fn one() {
    let res: Result<(), Box<dyn Error>> = do_stuff();
    if let Err(err) = res {
        let content = err.to_string();
        let _ = do_stuff(content).await;
    }
}

async fn two() {
    let res: Result<(), Box<dyn Error>> = do_stuff();
    let content = if let Err(err) = res {
        Some(err.to_string())
    } else {
        None
    };
    drop(res);
    if let Some(content) = content {
        let _ = do_stuff(content).await;
    }
}

async fn three() {
    let content = {
        let res: Result<(), Box<dyn Error>> = do_stuff();
        if let Err(err) = res {
            Some(err.to_string())
        } else {
            None
        }
    };
    if let Some(content) = content {
        let _ = do_stuff(content).await;
    }
}
Object 113 points 2 months ago

Rust output is bad? I feel like it's one of the best in terms of telling you where you got things wrong. Nix output when you accidentally get infinite recursion is so bad.

Come to think of it, Nix fits all three better than Rust.

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tatterdemalion 42 points 2 months ago

People who've never used Rust or only used it once and couldn't grok it like to meme that Rust is bad to cope.

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firelizzard -8 points 2 months ago

Yes, preferring a language thatโ€™s easy to read and therefore easy to maintain over a language like Rust is definitely coping ๐Ÿ™„

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WhyJiffie 25 points 2 months ago

preferring Rust over Rust? what do you mean?

do you think loosely typed python is easy to read and maintain?

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firelizzard 1 point 2 months ago

Iโ€™ll stick with Go TYVM

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First_Thunder 18 points 2 months ago

Ah yes, the good old random pile of unclear errors because you forgot to add the file in git thanks nix

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bobo 7 points 2 months ago

random pile of unclear errors

warning: Git tree '/path/to/repo' is dirty

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Ephera 3 points 2 months ago

Unfortunately, that shows up even when you've just modified an existing file, which is not a problem for it.

And which also happens to be the state my repo is in basically all the time, because I'll change some setting, then see if it works like I want it to before making a commit...

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bobo 2 points 2 months ago

Fortunately, your comment is not relevant at all since I incorrectly posted the warning instead of the explicit error:

error: Path 'path/to/file' in the repository "/path/to/repo" is not tracked by Git.

It even gives you

To make it visible to Nix, run:

git -C "/path/to/repo" add "path/to/file"
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onlinepersona 3 points 2 months ago

Is this a comment I'm not flake enough to understand?

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anyhow2503 82 points 2 months ago

I get that it's supposed to be a meme, but aside from the first one these aren't even rust stereotypes. Is this a meme specifically for people who haven't used rust, know nothing about rust but have maybe heard that it's a programming language?

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nightlily 30 points 2 months ago

Yeah, part of the point of Rust is that it does exactly what you tell it - sometimes to the point of absurdity. No implicit casting for instance.

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MoffKalast 7 points 2 months ago

And here I was thinking most of our programming problems come from the thing doing exactly what we told it to, but didn't quite think the process through enough. Or at all.

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communism 14 points 2 months ago

I mean Rust is definitely known for long compilation times but yeah otherwise I am not sure how any of this is Rust-specific. Maybe by "doesn't do what you tell it to do" they mean the borrow checker and strict compile time checks...?

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siriusmart 8 points 2 months ago

i've edited the post content for context, and a small puzzle for rust programmers

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anyhow2503 3 points 2 months ago

I was actually wondering if this was supposed to be about a specific problem someone has with rust (not like I haven't gotten stuck on some weird corner with rust before), but looking at the meme, that seemed unlikely to me. Thanks for the context.

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Fontasia 14 points 2 months ago

This is for people who learnt C++ in 2008 and refuse to believe that they've never fucked up a malloc in their lives

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Liketearsinrain 9 points 2 months ago
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limer 2 points 2 months ago

Hah I learned c++ in the 90s and never felt shame for messing up an allocation.

I think when this happens, I have a puddle of memory, the spilled ram โ€œlubricatesโ€ the pointers, which often rub against each other. The wasted memory acts like oil does to a rusted chain. Itโ€™s helping push the program through the finish line.

Yes, I am having fun here

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BlueKey 61 points 2 months ago

output makes no sense

C++ template errors enter the room

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SpaceNoodle 16 points 2 months ago

Template errors make sense as long as you carefully read the entire error, but nobody has ever actually done that.

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marcos 23 points 2 months ago

You are saying that the error messages terminate at some point?

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SpaceNoodle 16 points 2 months ago

Well, yeah, templates won't recurse beyond 1,024 levels.

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mkwt 1 point 2 months ago

That's an implementation-defined behaviour.

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Courantdair 5 points 2 months ago

boost::msm errors enter the room

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MonkderVierte 2 points 2 months ago
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kibiz0r 40 points 2 months ago

Deterministic: โœ… โŒ

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leo85811nardo 16 points 2 months ago

Deterministic when hit by that weird cosmic ray: โŒโŒ

/jk

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Ooops 39 points 2 months ago

So a narrow but clear win for the Rust compiler still...

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Courantdair 36 points 2 months ago
cargo() {
  cargo $@
  echo So how you doin\' today?
}

Fixed

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Prunebutt 31 points 2 months ago

I thought the rust compiler was supposed to be polite and helpful (unlike gcc, or nix).

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Sibbo 56 points 2 months ago

It is, this meme is just trash.

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SpaceNoodle 9 points 2 months ago

gcc was unhelpful a couple decades ago. I've found it to be rather helpful in recent years.

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verdare 8 points 2 months ago

Yeah, recent versions of GCC have gotten a lot better. I suspect itโ€™s actually because of languages like Rust raising the bar.

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SpaceNoodle -1 points 2 months ago

No, Rust came later.

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WhyJiffie 4 points 2 months ago

they didn't say otherwise

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pinskia -1 points 2 months ago

@SpaceNoodle @verdare
Rust error messages are less friendly in general.
Friendly competition with clang has more to do with the improvement of error messages than rust. Plus priorities of improving error messages came into focus. Folks forgot when it comes to open source it is about what folks think is the priorities from developers rather than consumers.

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kibiz0r 8 points 2 months ago

Oh god nix output

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Prunebutt 8 points 2 months ago

You create a new file and don't check it into git yet.

Nix commands: "I've never met this file in my life!"

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kubica 30 points 2 months ago

cargo delete this_post

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wisha 19 points 2 months ago

You are running into the Send Approximation being too conservative. The compiler does not like to see a let binding for a non-Send type and an .await statement in the same scope. It is not (yet) smart enough to know that the non-Send type is already consumed by the time of the .await.

You've already discovered the workaround in your three(). To make it more concise

async fn four() {
    let content = do_stuff().err().map(|err| err.to_string());
    if let Some(content) = content {
        let _ = do_stuff_2(content).await;
    }
}
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Grail 12 points 2 months ago

I love the rust compiler, it makes debugging so easy

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cadekat 9 points 2 months ago

Just a guess, but are you missing + Send on your error type?

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Ephera 6 points 2 months ago

Yeah, I was gonna say, that might be the root cause.

In the vast majority of cases, you want Box<dyn Error + Send + Sync>, but folks tend to leave out the Send + Sync, because it looks like additional complexity to them, and because it doesn't cause problems when they're not doing async/await.
It's better to define a type alias, if you don't want that long type name everywhere.

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PlexSheep 8 points 2 months ago

This is an awful "meme"

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Cevilia 4 points 2 months ago
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Noja 3 points 2 months ago

First mistake was using async

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REDACTED 2 points 2 months ago

It never asks me :(

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psud 2 points 2 months ago path: 0 23344309, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 2
mkwt 2 points 2 months ago

I've done professional work on an old Unix system where the full build was more than 2 hours, and an incremental stop-rebuild-restart cycle was 20 minutes.

You get to where you really stare at your edits for a while before you hit build.

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Kolanaki 1 point 2 months ago

"This could take like a hundred milliseconds. It could even take gasp ONE WHOLE SECOND! ๐Ÿ˜ฑ"

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JustJack23 1 point 2 months ago path: 0 23290965, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
wonderingwanderer 1 point 2 months ago

I see the problem: you're not pronouncing it "async effin one... async effin two... async effin three"

Try pronouncing it right then run it again ;)

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it_depends_man -3 points 2 months ago
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