Wife's vehicle conked out in a parkade. Diagnosis: diesel in the gas.

5 months ago by ikidd to c/dull_mens_club

She called me because she couldn't get her car started after work. We had to get it towed out of the underground parking which is quite a pain in the ass apparently.

I spent a couple hours troubleshooting the issue (smoky exhaust, barely started, ran like shit) and I burned out the starter in the process and had to put a new one in. Starters in these little 3.7L engines are pretty pathetic.

At some point in all this she mentioned she had filled up before driving to work, so I figured out how to jumper the fuel pump and pumped out this piss-colored junk. Feels oily like diesel, doesn't burn explosively like you'd expect with straight gas.

Fresh fuel and some Seafoam snake oil to maybe clean injectors. Since I didn't drop the tank to clean it perfectly, she's going to put small amounts in for a few fills and burn it off completely between fills because the solution to pollution is dilution.

Her receipt showed she uses the gas pump, not the diesel, so I'm wondering how many people got to deal with this bullshit since I'm guessing the station got an entire compartment contaminated. Haven't bothered to talk to the company, since I did the work myself and they certainly aren't going to reimburse me for my time.

Ah well, it's an excuse to do a pile of other maintenance I'd planned anyway and had parts for.

Wife is happy she isn't buying a new car. Happy wife, happy life.

HeerlijkeDrop 128 points 5 months ago

these little 3.7L engines

Are 3.7L engines really called little in America or are you being sarcastic? 😳

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ikidd 54 points 5 months ago

Well, in that model, 2006 Grand Cherokee, that was the small engine. There was also a 4.7 and 5.7 Hemi. Engines have come a long way in 20 years.

And maybe America if you mean North America.

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omxxi 2 points 5 months ago

North America? are also common in Canada the small penis cars?

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Botzo 21 points 5 months ago

I'd guess this is a mustang and that would make it the "small" engine (~305hp) for that car, the other option being a 5.0L.

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virku 17 points 5 months ago

Still quite a big engine.

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xylol 5 points 5 months ago

I guess when compared to a small 1.2l motorcycle engine

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BarrelAgedBoredom 38 points 5 months ago

Calling a 1200cc motorcycle engine small is like calling a 3.7l car engine small lol

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Andonyx 12 points 5 months ago

FWIW my last two four door cars were 1.6 and 2.0, and I'm in the US. (Although they were both kias.)

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vext01 19 points 5 months ago

He lost me at "parkade"

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some_kind_of_guy 2 points 5 months ago

Idk what tf that is. And I'm also American. Sounds like some made-up flatlander thing I don't need

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homesweethomeMrL 5 points 5 months ago

Yeah I twigged on that too, and I’ve owned a 7.0L at one point. It seems like 4.2 is “big” these days but idk since leaving the ICE world.

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rumba 3 points 5 months ago

They're not little, but they're super commonplace. It's kind of standard for V6 Trucks and SUV's.

Our more powerfull stuff is V8 closer to 5.5L or 6.2L

Until recently fuel was very very cheap.

Laws were put in place to make passenger cars get at least 38mpg (16.15 km/L) All of a sudden Sport Utility Vehicles and Light Trucks became a thing to get around the limits.

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Scirocco 2 points 5 months ago

It's certainly not "large" here

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imetators 3 points 5 months ago

Many new ICE gas cars in EU are sold with 1.2L or 1.5L engines. Less people buy 2.0L ones. I know some modern diesel cars are also around 1.4L.

~3.7L here is pretty much 350Hp Autobahn speeding car.

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monkeyman76 -24 points 5 months ago

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ikidd 34 points 5 months ago

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monkeyman76 -16 points 5 months ago

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PerogiBoi 0 points 5 months ago

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raspberriesareyummy -21 points 5 months ago

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ikidd 11 points 5 months ago

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FrowingFostek 105 points 5 months ago

"The solution to pollution is dilution." Muthafuckin mechanical Dr Seuss. An engine and word smith.

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Dozzi92 33 points 5 months ago

I've heard so many engineers giggle as they say it to each other simultaneously. But it's fair, who doesn't like rhyming.

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FrowingFostek 14 points 5 months ago

I pull cable for a living and it's my first time hearing it. I'm impressed and also stealing it.

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xylol 5 points 5 months ago

Pulling cable and laying pipe

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MutilationWave 4 points 5 months ago

Rock it, fellow cable dawg

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neidu3 13 points 5 months ago

I'm happy until I hear "There's no replacement for displacement". Because the objective truth is that there is; It's called quality.

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call_me_xale 7 points 5 months ago

Precision manufacturing, bay-be

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neidu3 10 points 5 months ago

Maybe Ford will discover it one day

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fritobugger2017 5 points 5 months ago

you can be certain that GM and Stellantis won't

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prole 3 points 5 months ago

it's called quality

Robert Pirsig has joined the chat...

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sparkyshocks 1 point 5 months ago

Exactly. Engine displacement is just one number, and there have been major paradigm shifts in designs to squeeze way better performance and efficiency out of those engines across a wide range of RPMs: switching from carburetors to fuel injection, developing variable valve timing, better transmissions/traction control systems for actually get that torque and power on the ground.

Plus, like, the rise of EVs, or even performance hybrids, has shown that you can have ultra high performance without any displacement at all.

Looking back at the muscle cars of the 1970's, where the idea came from, it's crazy how huge those engines were, compared to 0-60 and quarter mile times that just weren't that impressive by the 90's, much less today. The 1970 Chevelle SS 454 had a 7.4L engine at 450 hp, but only got a 5.4s 0-62 and a 13.8s quarter mile. In 1995, the Toyota Supra put up similar performance with a 3.0L, 280 HP engine (although back then the Japanese manufacturers had some kind of gentleman's agreement not to exceed 280hp in a way that tended to understate their overall performance). Today, Tesla literally manufactures a family friendly 3-row SUV that blows those numbers away. Scrolling through a list of cars that have sub-10 second quarter mile times off the factory floor, most of them have at least hybrid drivetrains where electric motors boost the overall torque and power.

Relying on displacement these days is just giving up.

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varyingExpertise 55 points 5 months ago

little 3.7L engines

Ah, America... 😁

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synapse1278 10 points 5 months ago

I assumed it was a typo and OP meant 1.7L 🤣

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nova_ad_vitum 4 points 5 months ago

And it will still somehow only produce 180HP.

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varyingExpertise 2 points 5 months ago

And uses half of that to heat up the torque converter of a 3 gear automatic XD

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mrgoosmoos 2 points 5 months ago

I assumed it was a truck, but OP refers to it as her car, so...

yeah, wtf is going on here

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zipsglacier 50 points 5 months ago

This happened to me a couple of years ago. I called the gas station and as soon as I described the issue the clerk said they knew about the problem and gave me the number direct to their insurance guy, who made sure all repair costs were covered. (Pumped the tank, flushed the system, and some other stuff I'm not a car guy.) It was a hassle, but as soon as the insurance was involved, it was smooth. I think they were trying to avoid a law suit.

What happened? Insurance guy said that the diesel truck driver had somehow put diesel in their unleaded tanks. I was dumbfounded. He said, yes, a person has to be both an idiot and a very determined one to make that mistake. Said the gas station tried to get all the diesel out, but of course couldn't. So there we were.

My point is: it might be worth a call to the station she filled up at.

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whyNotSquirrel 6 points 5 months ago

don't they have different connector for different fuel?

Kinda like it's done on diesel car to avoid mistakes

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zipsglacier 9 points 5 months ago

Yeah, the insurance guy said that, but I guess people find a way to still screw it up.

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MBech 5 points 5 months ago

Whenever you idiot proof something, the world just invents a bigger idiot.

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clif 3 points 5 months ago

Life Stupidity, uh, finds a way.

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prole 1 point 5 months ago

Could have been intentional sabotage. Maybe he had a vendetta against the gas station owner

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ikidd -5 points 5 months ago

Yah, I get that, but it's done now. They aren't going to reimburse me my time, and the tow was on CMA membership so it was covered. All I'll probably end up with is a tank of gas that I don't want to redeem anyway.

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diablomnky 26 points 5 months ago

No, you're a freelance mechanic and send them the bills for the repairs. Make those fuckers pay you back.

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zipsglacier 4 points 5 months ago

I see what you mean; sometimes it's easier to just deal with it than jump through the hoops. In my case they also gave me something like 10000 of their customer loyalty points, which I had absolutely no interest in using.

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mlg 1 point 5 months ago

Reimbursement doesn't matter much but if you got the receipt, that's something you should report to your local/state ordinance enforcement so other people don't continue to get screwed. Gas stations and pumps have to be certified for a reason.

And I would still call and bill for the labor, especially since it will be insurance getting involved anyway, and they'll bill it so long as you have an address and proof of work done (literally a 2 minute word doc).

Good to have especially when something else inevitability breaks down the line and you're spending another afternoon cursing at the engineer responsible for placing a bolt in an impossible position for what should have been a 10 minutes job lol.

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BCsven 50 points 5 months ago

Man that sucks.

There was a tiktok prank where the wife calls the husband with this exact complaint and says it happened after filling up a new gas station that had yellow pumps. Then they record the husband's realization the wife means diesel in the gas. 😥

My wife called me from work and gave the spiel about being stranded, and we got to the yellow pump part. And in my head I'm thinking aww crap. But I said no problem, go to the nearest store and grab a coffee/snack, I'll get a tow truck to come.

After a while she said LOL, just kidding. And she asked why I was so calm about it. And so I explained that she has done quite a few things to/with the car that I can't waste energy on being frustrated and instead just deal with the logistics of these things.

She said she wasn't sure if that was a good or bad thing...means its happened too much. LOL

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atomicbocks 32 points 5 months ago

Your wife played a TikTok prank on you? Personally I would be far more upset about that than the car.

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naught 8 points 5 months ago

one is a joke you don't like, the other is hundreds of dollars or more

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captain_aggravated 14 points 5 months ago

Actually pumping the wrong fuel into a car by accident is a mistake. "My Corolla takes regular and I hit the regular button without thinking" or "it looked like a normal gas pump. I didn't know the handles were color coded." That's called being human.

Calling you at work with a fake problem intended to piss you off for fun isn't good person behavior. "haha tiktok funny im gunna hurt MY spouse like that and put it on the internet" With friends like that, who needs enemies?

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naught 2 points 5 months ago

A lighthearted prank which is revealed before any negative consequences occur is harmless, unless it's understood a joke like that is unwelcome, which is how I'm interpreting you or OP feels. Humans make jokes at others' expense sometimes, and sometimes, it's ok.

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Trainguyrom 6 points 5 months ago

Only one my wife did was the one where you throw your husband onto the bed without warning like apparently these tiktok girls have partners throw them onto the bed to initiate intercourse and uh...well it may or may not have awoken something in me. Apparently that's not the reaction it's supposed to illicit based on the tiktoks she'd seen

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Whats_your_reasoning 1 point 5 months ago

What's the reaction supposed to be? I don't think I've ever had a partner who would be upset by being thrown into bed for spur-of-the-moment sexy times.

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Trainguyrom 1 point 4 months ago

Apparently these manly men feel emasculated by it and get mad. It's supposed to be some sort of a "show your man what they do to you so maybe they learn to be a better partner" but my wife knew that that's not how either of us roll before she did it

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XeroxCool -4 points 5 months ago

As if pranks from other sources are merited any higher? No one got hurt and while I can't say I particularly recommend trying this, the partner's reaction might be a major red flag as to how they're going to react sometime else with a real, more serious issue.

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captain_aggravated 6 points 5 months ago

See, I like pranks where the "victim" laughs too.

Give you an example, Apollo astronaut Wally Schirra was a bit of a practical jokester, he once delivered a urine sample to his flight nurse in a 1 gallon jar.

Going in for knee surgery, writing "This knee" on the correct knee and "Not this knee" on the other knee and both elbows, that's a prank."

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acockworkorange 1 point 4 months ago

Man that sucks

Are you assuming his sexual preferences?

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CMDR_Horn 32 points 5 months ago

Form a small business and write up an invoice to yourself for your work. See how far that goes.

*Edit not legal advice

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ikidd 38 points 5 months ago

I do have a corporation but sounds like more work than it's worth in order to maybe get in a pissing match with an oil company.

Fuck em, they're on the shit list now anyway. Not like I'd redeem a free tank of gas from them for obvious reasons.

Shell, just to name and shame.

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Hello_there 10 points 5 months ago

Gas stations are usually franchises, owned by small businesses

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atomicbocks 1 point 5 months ago

Depends on where you are from. Where I am from most of the gas stations are owned by the local refineries.

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over_clox 9 points 5 months ago

Assuming their gas indeed is contaminated, go buy 1 gallon of gas, in a spare gas jug, and check it out yourself to confirm. If it's contaminated, well there's your proof. If it doesn't look contaminated, but perhaps you don't trust it anyways, well run it through a lawnmower..

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ikidd 8 points 5 months ago

Honestly, this happened a week ago, I only got around to looking at it this weekend since we finished up seeding and I haven't been dropping into bed after 16 hours straight of sitting in a tractor or pulling wrenches on way heavier equipment.

So I'm sure it's long sorted out now.

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southsamurai 2 points 5 months ago

You could run that in a mower without it damaging the motor? I'd never have guessed!

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over_clox 5 points 5 months ago

Lawnmowers, especially simple basic push mowers, are much cheaper and simpler than vehicles. No fuel injectors (carburetor), no oxygen sensors, hell most don't even have a fuel line, the carb pulls gas straight out of the tank.

If the gas actually is contaminated with diesel or oil, it wouldn't actually damage the engine, it would just run like shit and blow out more smoke than usual, until the gas tank is drained and fresh gas put in.

Now on the hypothetical other hand, if the gas was contaminated with something way more flammable than gasoline, such as acetone, then yeah that engine is probably gonna go BOOM!

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pinball_wizard 2 points 5 months ago

Shell, just to name and shame.

Yep. That tracks.

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adarza 24 points 5 months ago

this happened to my mom years ago, sometime in the mid 80s. she never pumped her own gas unless she had no choice. the culprit was a full serve station. they put in diesel instead of regular (car was from the 70s).

nowadays that couldn't happen unless the tanks at the station were wrong (tanker delivery screwing up). unleaded-only cars (the norm now) have narrower openings and pump nozzles to match. diesel and the old 'regular' pump nozzles literally won't fit.

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erusuoyera 26 points 5 months ago

Neighbour of mine told me that they had broken down because they put diesel in their petrol car. My first question was about the nozzle not fitting. They said they thought it was odd that it didn't, and it took ages to fill the tank because it kept overflowing. So I wouldn't say it can't happen.

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adarza 15 points 5 months ago

true. "this shouldn't happen" would be a more correct phrasing.

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UndergroundParking 21 points 5 months ago

underground parking which is quite a pain in the ass apparently.

Hey, no need to be calling names! 😁

I have to say - those "dull" posts have truly been the most interesting things to read here, lately!

Thanks for the write up!

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ikidd 2 points 5 months ago

I like to see things on here I relate to once in a while, and maybe learn some things. I've never actually dealt with this personally, which is surprising given the millions of km I've driven, but when I come across a mundane thing that might help others not have to spend thousands for someone else to fix, I like to write about it.

And sorry to be personally racist against you. You're way cooler than the last underground parking I've encountered.

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UndergroundParking 1 point 5 months ago

:blush:

I should probably write up my idle actuator hack, although all I did was follow others' advice on the forums.

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brucethemoose 15 points 5 months ago

Small thing, but you sound like a nice spouse.

Some partners are quick to pin blame on spouses, in a hostile way. For example, they might quickly blame the other for a car breaking down, and make an issue of it, when the issue at hand is fixing the car. That kind of stuff rubs me the wrong way.

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artwork 12 points 5 months ago

I am sorry you got into the trouble, and I do believe the gas station company MUST pay for your priceless precious life time, your and wife's time, and worries... They have camera videos showing the wife used the correct pump, but the essence you paid for was not provided, and also damaged your property - your car, and likely yours wife worktime.

One thing I can also tell is that you are a great man, a good husband, and just a freaking marvelous person I appreciate you for...
Thank you... dear @ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com ... for being a miracle...

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HubertManne 11 points 5 months ago

I hate when the only pumps available are ones with a diesel option. I always preferentially use the one with the e85 options instead. Im so paranoid about it.

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Trainguyrom 1 point 5 months ago

I mean the pumps are just pumping from the same tanks located under the pavement, whether it's a pump with diesel or e85 it's not going to make a difference if the tank itself is contaminated

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HubertManne 2 points 5 months ago

yeah its more im really paranoid about having some sort of brain fart and doing the wrong one. I kinda thought though they had a few tanks underground and the isles were seperate or something. I guess just one tank for each would make sense. Now im going to be looking for stations that just don't have diesel.

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Trainguyrom 1 point 5 months ago

That's fair! I suppose it's entirely possible that some stations would have multiple tanks (but it's also entirely possible for the truck to still mess up even at a station without diesel too! They typically have compartments on the delivery truck so only one truck is needed to deliver all types/grades of fuel)

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HubertManne 2 points 5 months ago

see I did not know that too. I just assumed each truck did one substance because I assume doing multiple would mean more regulations and paperwork and such.

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87Six 10 points 5 months ago

Man, at least publicise this more so that gas station goes down the drain.

They don't deserve to be in business after ruining so many cars.

You have to fight for others that were also messed up. Don't bend the knee.

Post this so your local community can acces it so they know and gather to sue the shit out of them.

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Whats_your_reasoning 4 points 5 months ago

Yes, please do this. You got lucky here, OP. Some people are going to end up spending absurd amounts of money without knowing the cause of the trouble, and will probably miss work because of this, possibly while living paycheck-to-paycheck. Money's really tight for a lot of people right now, this can be disastrous for them.

You don't owe the station anything, but your community deserves to know where they should avoid.

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87Six 2 points 5 months ago

@ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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Big_Boss_77 8 points 5 months ago

Combine seafoam snake oil with some premium higher octane shit, anecdotal maybe... but less ethanol is definitely going to help you get through this with fewer hard starts and sputtering takeoff.

Source: someone who's dealt with bad gas on multiple occasions.

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GreenKnight23 3 points 5 months ago

say what you will, but seafoam made my lifter tick considerably less noticeable after a light application through the intake.

it may not do everything it claims to do, but it doesn't hurt to try.

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Big_Boss_77 3 points 5 months ago

Oh no, I agree... I was quoting OP. I'm a bigger fan of marvel mystery oil, but seafoam has its place in applications like this.

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Hadriscus 7 points 5 months ago

what kind of vehicle? racing? farming? troop transport? I've never heard of a 3.7L engine

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SirActionSack 4 points 5 months ago

It's 225 cubic inches which was a very common Chrysler engine.

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ikidd 3 points 5 months ago

06 Grand Cherokee.

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regedit 5 points 5 months ago

I suspect this happened to my wife. Got gas at Casey's in her Ford Escape and barely made it home. Of course, she didn't bother to call the station and just accepted it was time to replace it.

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LH0ezVT 3 points 5 months ago

My brother managed to fill a diesel car with gas. Luckily, just a few liters, and it's an old shitty diesel that probably doesn't notice. Still, not nice.

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grue 12 points 5 months ago

Filling a diesel car with gas is way worse than filling a gasoline car with diesel. Diesel in a gasoline car makes it not run. Gas in a diesel car destroys the engine and high-pressure fuel pump.

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LH0ezVT 2 points 5 months ago

Yeah, obviously, don't do it, and especially don't do it on a car from this century with modern injection and shit.

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D_C 4 points 5 months ago

I quarter filled my diesel car up with petrol before realising what I was doing. I just stopped, said shit a lot, then changed to the diesel nozzle, and filled it up to the brim.
Then rang my workmate and told him I may breakdown on the way to work so be ready, but there were no issues.

I took the car for a long drive after work then topped it up again. Kept on doing that everyday and I never had any issues at all.
I kept that car for about another 3 years before getting rid.

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An unofficial chapter of the popular Dull Men's Club.

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1. Relevant commentary on your own dull life. Posts should be about your own dull, lived experience. This is our most important rule. Direct questions, random thoughts, comment baiting, advice seeking, many uses of "discuss" rarely comply with this rule.

2. Original, Fresh, Meaningful Content.

3. Avoid repetitive topics.

4. This is not a search engine
Use a search engine, a tradesperson, Reddit, friends, a specialist Facebook group, apps, Wikipedia, an AI chat, a reverse image search etc. to answer simple questions or identify objects. Also see rule 1, “comment baiting”.

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7. Proofread before posting. Use good grammar and punctuation. Avoid useless phrases. Some examples: - starting a post with "So" - starting a post with pointless phrases, like "I hope this is allowed" or “this is my first post” Only share good quality, cropped images. Do not share screenshots of images; share the original image.

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