That's how it works in most civilised countries.
RmDebArc_5 48 points 2 months ago
That's how it works in most civilised countries.
ProfessorHoover 11 points 2 months ago
New Zealand also lets the team down by allowing medical advertising. IRC it's the only country other than the US with prescription medical advertising.
nightlily 3 points 2 months ago
They’d like you to think that. Truth is there’s even less „checks and balances“ there than the already paper thin ones in the US. The courts have no teeth with the government and it’s a effectively unicameral system. Theoretically the King has executive power but he would never step in. Prisoners not being able to vote has been ruled by the courts to be against the Bill of Rights and they were just ignored.
rockSlayer 19 points 2 months ago
Even better, let's stop doing prisons
blitzen 36 points 2 months ago
Certainly cutting back 9 out of 10 prisons is a good idea. I don't object to the idea that there is a certain amount of people who need to be removed for their own and the public's safety.
RmDebArc_5 -2 points 2 months ago
But is a prison really where someone like that should go/it should be called? I would argue those people should be in a mental asylum, not what we have as prisons today (though today's mental asylums aren't necessarily more humane)
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot 20 points 2 months ago
Mental hospitals should be places where people with mental illnesses can go for care and treatment. They shouldn't do double-duty as prisons.
blitzen 8 points 2 months ago
I mean, if responding to my comment about removing some people for "their own safety," then sure, there are better places that prisons.
But really what I was saying is there are people who do and will continue to be violent toward others, and prisons probably are the right place for them.
But I'm in full agreement that the US incarcerates far far too many people that don't fit into that description.
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IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds 16 points 2 months ago
That is how it works in a democracy
arrow74 5 points 2 months ago
It is legal in most states for non felons to vote from prison/jail, of course some states make it difficult.
blitzen 1 point 2 months ago
Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but there are no non-felons in prison. But there are those in county jails awaiting trial who are not yet convicted (or will be found not guilty) of a crime, and your point is an important one.
arrow74 1 point 2 months ago
If we want to get too technical there are some states that place people that commit certain misdemeanors in prison as opposed to jails.
It's not the majority, but it does happen.
prole 3 points 2 months ago
Especially since those states are counting those prisoners among the residents in the census.
The entire fucking point is to get the benefits for those additional people, while not having to worry about them voting (likely against the people who put them there)
blitzen 4 points 2 months ago
Important distinction, the census counts the prisoners as residents of the county in which the prison sits. The prisoners are almost always already residents of the state. It’s called prison gerrymandering, and it unfairly advantages the county and districts in which the prisons lie, almost always rural and almost always to Republican advantage.
FreshParsnip 1 point 2 months ago
In Canada, currently incarcerated people are allowed to vote by special ballot
Soapbox 16 points 2 months ago
Well, the government isn't profiting from it. Its the people running the government who are invested in private prison companies are personally profiting from it. Along with their golf buddies running said companies.
Privately run prisons as a for profit business is a crime against humanity.
Soapbox 1 point 2 months ago
Perhaps. But I think many of the private prisons are either built from the ground up by the corporations, or the buildings are still owned by the government, but the companies are paid to operate them for the government.
WorldsDumbestMan 1 point 2 months ago
How come I can't tell the difference between this slavery, and normal work?
BarneyPiccolo 11 points 2 months ago
From a Billionaire's perspective, a millionaire is a pauper. A regular working person might as well be a slave. They work hard for much of their lives for pennies, and are terrified THAT will go away.
And modern wage slavery also carries the improved advantage that the employer no longer has to provide housing, food, or medical care. The slaves have to pay for all that out of their pennies.
We're ALL already slaves.
DirtSona 8 points 2 months ago
Oh. Work is the same. But as a prisoner you get even less money. Between 0,12dollars and 1,41.
WorldsDumbestMan -8 points 2 months ago
So the main difference between slavery and work is you get paid less, and don't have the option of being permanently unemployed and homeless.
prole 13 points 2 months ago
Are you being for real right now?
You are aware that the thirteenth amendment (the one that abolishes slavery) explicitly allows for slavery to continue "as punishment".
This isn't like some weird leftist take, slavery is quite literally legal in US prisons.
bufalo1973 4 points 2 months ago
And not having the right to say "fuck you" to the boss and leave.
PenguinMage 6 points 2 months ago
Funny enough according to many states can't vote. But somehow can be voted for. But I've been informed by my eldest sibling that I have some sort of thing they call TDS and I don't give enough of a fuck to care about what stupidity that means.
asg101 31 points 2 months ago
More fun facts, slavery is still legal in the USA (for prisoners) and the USA imprisons a higher proportion of its population than any other country. The ruling class just makes everything illegal and enjoys unlimited slave labor!
Nonconfrontational 7 points 2 months ago
More non violent prisoners behind bars than any country to ever exist!
BarneyPiccolo 6 points 2 months ago
They intend to greatly increase the use of prisoner slave labor, and will be using it to punish political prisoners they have labeled ANTIFA terrorists, just for posting messages like this one.
They want to identify everyone on the Internet, not so they can keep children from learning that boys and girls have different genitalia, but so they can find the ANTIFA Terrorists, imprison them, take away their right to vote, and then lease them out to Sociopathic Oligarchs for whatever dangerous, unregulated work they need done - mining, environmental clean-up, construction, roadwork, crop harvesting, etc.
All those jobs that immigrants used to do? ANTIFA Terrorists can do them.
AnUnusualRelic 24 points 2 months ago
Us people: criminals shouldn't be allowed to vote!
Then proceed to vote for and elect a criminal.
Then they do it again. Just because.
TheReturnOfPEB 15 points 2 months ago
Currently it depends on the state/district.
Only the District of Columbia, Maine, and Vermont allow people with felony convictions to vote at all times, including while serving time in prison
humanamerican 3 points 2 months ago
Yet another reason to move to Vermont some day
UnderpantsWeevil 14 points 2 months ago
Lee Carter is a former Democratic Socialist member of the Virginia House of Delegates (2018–2022) who actively championed prison abolition and criminal justice reform.
Viking_Hippie 13 points 2 months ago
One of the many ways in which those in power in the US systematically enslave and disenfranchise people of color to this day.
dejected_warp_core 12 points 2 months ago
I agree with the sentiment, but were prisoners able to vote, prisons would get gerrymandered to hell and back. That said, they should still be able to.
dejected_warp_core 12 points 2 months ago
To be fair, Sweden's prison system is more progressive than the non-imprisoned experience in some countries.
SuspiciousCatThing 5 points 2 months ago
Yeah that just means that gerrymandering is the problem.
BarneyPiccolo 10 points 2 months ago
If anyone needs representation, it's prisoners.
Tollana1234567 9 points 2 months ago
red states use prisoners as part of the census, so they can maintain the gop house seats in thier states.
Zephyr 5 points 2 months ago
Wait until you hear about countries that prevent even their non-criminals from actually voting. They usually hold an election but it's just theatrical, your text in vote for the next pop idol is more statistically valuable.
humanamerican 5 points 2 months ago
Coming soon to a United States near you
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds 2 points 2 months ago
or just straight up don't give human rights to half the population of unwanted in their territory. then call themselves a democracy because only the right people can vote.
Radical_Socialist_t00t 4 points 2 months ago
Switch to Scientific Socialism. Problem solved.
Also quit letting any 2bit idiot have a say on what the country's policies are unless they're qualified to be in that conversation.
SuspiciousCatThing 1 point 2 months ago
Switch to Scientific Socialism.
I was bracing for a CCP shill here tbh. Had is in the first half XD
Radical_Socialist_t00t 2 points 2 months ago
China isn't Scientific Socialism. Hell its not even real socialism to begin with, its just fascist-capitalism with a nice coat of socialism paint over it.
BlackLaZoR 2 points 2 months ago
That's not USA exclusive in any way.
Formfiller 1 point 2 months ago
Holy F…..yea
merc -2 points 2 months ago
On the other hand, any country that allows its prisoners to vote has a constituency that wants to decriminalize what ever it was that they did.
Not to mention, that arresting is not imprisonment. Merely being arrested doesn't put you in prison, you need to be convicted first. When cops can easily follow orders from the top to arrest people with the wrong skin colour, getting people arrested is easy. But, with a decent system of courts, it's a lot harder to convict them.
Look, I get that the context is about political prisoners. But, really, if the system is so corrupted that people are being convicted of something merely based on their politics, it's laughable to think that it has free and fair elections and that voting by prisoners is going to change things.
Mulligrubs 5 points 2 months ago
On the other hand, any country that allows its prisoners to vote has a constituency that wants to decriminalize what ever it was that they did.
What's wrong with that?
Millions have been arrested and convicted over absurd "crimes" without a single victim to be found. Of course they want it to be decriminalized, as does their family, friends, and many fellow citizens. As it should be.
Syrc 1 point 2 months ago
Maybe they want to make sex with children legal…
Maybe. But are there enough people like that to make the “having sex with children party” win the elections? If there are, I’d say we have a bigger issue, and it’s not because of people in prison.
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Not only do I think non-incarcerated felons should have the right to vote, I think currently incarcerated should as well. Hell, set up a voting location in the prison.
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