"Oh well actually it's pretty reasonable for the landlord to take your money and sign documents and then afterwards surprise you with a rule you would have never agreed to saying you're never allowed to open your window"
This is not a conversation I will entertain no matter how favorably it is framed in favor of the person breaking several laws against me.
Jesus christ, you're insufferable lol.
That's not what OP said at all. I had some sympathy for you up to this point. You're just a self centered asshole that doesn't care about other people. Your landlord sounds like an asshole too, but now I'm kind of on their side. I wouldn't want to deal with your bullshit either.
Happy cake day, Mr. Turd!
As I said, I don't intend to detract from your other points.
I'm just trying to help you understand what might be behind the complaint so that a compromise could be reached. An unfortunate fact of life is that we live in a society, where it's sometimes necessary to make compromises.
I didn't know this was Reddit
It's amazing how people's empathy evaporates when you show them you're a selfish piece of shit unworthy of empathy.
What is even more amazing is how OP never demonstrated that.
Somebody said something abusive to them and they didn't react perfectly, guess they deserve to go homeless in a heat wave. Oh well, we tried. /s
I disagree wholeheartedly, every single piece of advice given was met with hostility and shittiness. You do you, though!
OP has more empathy than their landleech, as their landleech is a subhuman psychopath who has given up all of their façade of humanity. If you think otherwise then you'd be the first to die in a horror movie, you'd be the person that hides their zombie bite, and you'd the one to help an alien invasion annihilate humanity in hopes they'd spare you.
You seem to have trouble discerning real life from fiction.. Op is the type to be so anti social they end up homeless. Good luck in the zombie apocalypse with them and their endless griping.
I've giving examples of a character archetype because it's useful for quickly categorizing behavior. You're defending a landlord who is threatening to make someone homeless over fresh air.
Do you often feel like everyone is against you no matter where you go?
It's hot out, really hot out, and you are sharing an ac. Two issues here. Humidity destroys houses and it is not good if the AC is pumping full time.
If you're concerned about your cats, investigate installing a cat door in the window. See link for example. Discuss it with the landlord first so you don't waste money.
Do you often feel like everyone is against you no matter where you go?
Do you always respond to threads where people are venting and need advice by responding like that when their circumstances are less than ideal?
They explained that their concern is with COVID/shared ventilation and it being way too cold. I respect it. Clearly you don't, or you didn't read the thread before being insensitive to OP.
Have you considered that OP rents the space and has rights associated with that and did you check to make sure OP closes the vents or is able to, before suggesting that OP is just seeking to be victim about everything?
It’s hot out, really hot out, and you are sharing an ac. Two issues here. Humidity destroys houses.
If there is no evidence of humidity damage, there is no problem.
and it is not good if the AC is pumping full time.
They can have OP manage shutting/blocking the vents or find a way to do it themselves, for example. That's a reasonable compromise compared to a 3 day notice...
If you’re concerned about your cats, investigate installing a cat door in the window. See link for example. Discuss it with the landlord first so you don’t waste money.
Helpful suggestion, to be fair.
High humidity causes mold and physically damages indoor surfaces. You may not see it until it's too late. That's a big deal, especially if you don't own the house and have go deal with the repercussions. We're talking very expensive and timely repairs.
I believe both parties are handling this poorly or OP escalated it to what it is now.
High humidity causes mold and physically damages indoor surfaces. You may not see it until it’s too late. That’s a big deal, especially if you don’t own the house and have go deal with the repercussions. We’re talking very expensive and timely repairs.
You are assuming that OP's room gets humid with the vents open and blowing into it...
They explained that their concern is with COVID/shared ventilation and it being way too cold.
If they were concerned with shared ventilation why move there in the first place? Also if it's "too cold" then why are they making the argument that they can just "shut the vent in the room" in order to appease the landlord for having the window open? They could shut the vent and keep the window closed to keep it warmer in the room.
If you want to have sympathy for people struggling with housing and high expenses, what about the rest of the people living there that have to pay money they don't have in order to cool the entire neighborhood? Your empathy shouldn't only apply to whomever tells you their sob story first.
If they were concerned with shared ventilation why move there in the first place?
OP was pretty clear in their past posts that there is nothing affordable in their area. They are facing housing insecurity. We have no idea of their situation unless OP shared more details in past postings. I checked the post from today and their past post. They may have physical or mental health problems, employment issues, etc. This all impacts one's ability to work and make money to afford somewhere to live, and I think everybody knows that California is an extremely expensive area to live in.
If the landlord was concerned about the electricity bill, why didn't they include a term in the lease/rental agreement to keep the window shut when the A/C is on? OP even suggested to their landlord to raise their rate because they keep their window open and they refused and instead took the actions that OP described in this thread, in addition to forcibly shutting OP's window from the outside.
Also if it’s “too cold” then why are they making the argument that they can just “shut the vent in the room” in order to appease the landlord for having the window open? They could shut the vent and keep the window closed to keep it warmer in the room.
I'm of the opinion that tenants should have thermostats or some form of temperature control. Shutting the vent and keeping the window closed doesn't sound ideal in the summer there, with today being a high of low-mid 90s (20-25% humidity).
They have cats that need to go out to live a life outside of the closet-sized room OP currently stays in. OP has a large litterbox that needs ventilation. I am an advocate for responsible pet ownership and I have a hard time not saying to people that outdoor cats should be indoor cats for various important reasons like the disruption that cats cause to the ecosystem, but when I see a thread like this with a pressing issue (losing their housing), my mind goes to triage. How can we support OP? We can inform them of their rights, use this opportunity to educate and inform them, and most importantly support them emotionally.
hey how about you go fuck yourself with your snide chud attitude
I was on the fence until I saw this outburst. Now I'm pretty sure you're a shitty tenant who's about to get evicted. You and the landlord both are probably imperfect, and I'm not really gonna bother with too many details since I think you posted more for validation than for advice, but I think your landlord has a slam dunk case if he finds your account here with posts and comments. It could be too late, but your best bet is to delete your account, lawyer up, and stfu online about this before it builds their case against you. The judge doesn't give a shit about you, he cares about the property owner's property and possibly whether you're a disruption to other tenants.
I hope you figure it out. Good luck.
You change your mind on a matter of contract law based on how I respond to someone who literally only wrote that first line at the time I responded, then edited the entire rest of their comment in.
You're not a serious person and the law isn't as fickle and stupid as you are. This is a serious issue and situation and you're here purely for a infantile social pile on. Touch grass.
100%. All cats eat birds and are a danger to wildlife. They should never be let outside to roam freely.
I hate it when people say shit like "tibbles wouldnt hurt a fly" all cats have natural (very effective) hunting instincts, unless they have some disability, it will probably kill if let outside.
In australia feral cats are causing native animals to go extinct.
Eh, my cat has the disability of a bell around his neck. He's killed quite a few invasive lizards, but I can say with confidence he's never killed a bird (he's very proud of the aforementioned lizard kills, and would absolutely be showing off any birds he managed to catch). I've watched him fail hilariously at pouncing on a butterfly.
Bells are perfectly fine. I'd feel much worse cooping him up in a house all day every day.
I've never heard or thought about bells it sounds like they would be pretty effective.
After some research, which is hard to do with most websites trying to tell you there shitty product will stop hunting better than everyone else's. It looks like there aren't any studies that say bells reduce hunting more than 50%. Most cats just find ways around jiggling the bell or they just don't walk and wait for a bird to come within pouncing range.
You can keep your cat however you want but I wouldn't be sure they aren't killing any birds, or noninvasive mammals or reptiles.
Like I said, my boy kills a lot of invasive lizards. And he proudly displays that fact. If he'd ever killed a bird, I'd sure as hell know.
Give me a place I can live where they have enough room inside then.
Pets are a privilege, surprise!! Is this news to you?
I did not adopt my cats yesterday you dumb fuck
You can take them outside, but they should be leashed.
And I don't know why you're making a demand like that. Why is your attitude like this?
If your usual reaction to finding out you're doing something wrong is to demand a stranger change drastic things about your life to resolve a problem you're causing, then it's harder to have sympathy for the situation you described in your original post here given that we only have one side of the story.
Do you let your cat roam free? How many birds is letting your cat outside worth? cats are responsible for the majority of bird deaths in the united states.
Gonna go out on a limb and say it's habitat destruction.
My cats are my family and this is what we have right now. How many wild birds is that worth? More than they've taken.
Don't keep pets you don't have the room for.
ITT people dog-piling somebody in a shitty situation, in a shitty society, who can't find adequate and affordable housing and arguing in defense of a landlord who won't give them a clear copy of their renter's agreement (and is charging for a printed copy) and who has forcibly closed OP's window from the outside.
See OP's edit:
edit: I am purposefully not engaging with any comments on the subject of whether or not my landlord has a genuine gripe about me having my window open and my door closed in a room that does not have a temperature sensor for the A/C system. I offered to close the vent. I offered to have my rent raised to compensate. All was ignored. It’s about power tripping. So this post is about my rights in the face of that.
Keep your window closed when it's high temp, high humidity OP (consider the cat door for the window) and ignore these trolls who are trying to provoke you and make you feel bad. You did everything right, you even offered to have your rent increased.
Yeah what the fuck is all this siding with the landlord about? I thought we were leftists lmao. If I were OP I would stay out of Lemmy for a bit, the replies in this thread are probably just making the panic attack worse.
I don't care about the nitty gritty details of the issue with the AC or the door or whatever, I don't know why everyone is paying so much thought to that. The major problem is that the landlord is abusing an authority that is barely even legitimate to begin with, and is threatening OP with eviction if they don't obey; the specific circumstances in which such abuse has materialized is irrelevant. They are especially irrelevant if you are going to play lawyer with them to uphold the landlord's authority.
I think that we as a community should avoid this kind of behavior.
Sending you strength, OP
People arent siding with the landlord, they're siding with not leaving windows open with the A/C running as that is just wasting tons of energy over OP's neroticism.
People arent siding with the landlord
People definitely are at times, and at other times are just actively against OP for not taking abuse quietly when they are seeking support.
Let me break it down with direct quotes:
"[...] I had some sympathy for you up to this point. You’re just a self centered asshole that doesn’t care about other people. Your landlord sounds like an asshole too, but now I’m kind of on their side. I wouldn’t want to deal with your bullshit either."
Defending the landlord, who they view as an asshole, and simultaneously insulting the character of OP.
"It’s pretty naive to assume that the landlord hasn’t documented the last several times they were forced to close your window. If I were you, I’d start looking for a place with an outdoor patio. At this point your landlord wants you gone and would probably be happy to let you out of the lease with all of the trouble you’re causing."
Defending the landlord forcibly closing the window and accusing OP of causing trouble.
"Today’s forecast for Riverside, CA is high of 90F and 80% humidity. I’d want this asshole kicked to the curb if I was another renter in the house dealing with someone repeatedly opening the windows and defeating the AC.
Feels like a Reddit AITA creative writing exercise for rage bait. I don’t miss it."
Person lying about the weather and saying they want OP kicked to the curb for wanting to have their window open in their closet-sized room for fresh air, for their cats to live a dignified life despite OP's limitations in being able to find adequate room for them to live indoors, to avoid the effects of shared ventilation and lack of temperature controls (including concerns about COVID).
It’s hot out, really hot out, and you are sharing an ac. Two issues here. Humidity destroys houses and it is not good if the AC is pumping full time."
Person overblowing humidity concerns/damage in Riverside, California (which is a relatively dry climate compared to some areas).
"I was on the fence until I saw this outburst. Now I’m pretty sure you’re a shitty tenant who’s about to get evicted. You and the landlord both are probably imperfect, and I’m not really gonna bother with too many details since I think you posted more for validation than for advice, but I think your landlord has a slam dunk case if he finds your account here with posts and comments. It could be too late, but your best bet is to delete your account, lawyer up, and stfu online about this before it builds their case against you. The judge doesn’t give a shit about you, he cares about the property owner’s property and possibly whether you’re a disruption to other tenants."
They are referencing when OP responded to a commenter who said "Do you often feel like everyone is against you no matter where you go?", to which they replied and called them out on having a "snide chud attitude". Which isn't my choice of words, but it's not a slur or a form of bigotry IMO to say that somebody has a bad attitude in a strong way, so who cares. Sometimes people have emotional outbursts to abusive comments or remarks, OP was responding to abuse.
"No one cares anymore because your attitude is complete shit. Go complain somewhere else"
"The good news is, we seem to have found the problem. Tge bad news is, you won’t like it."
More abuse.
OP didn't react the best, which is understandable, they are in a tough situation and facing housing insecurity. I can't imagine what that feels like in California.
Last time I was homeless was California for three years. I had to get into an abusive relationship to get off the street. I'm currently scared shirtless that I'm going to be homeless soon again. At the rate that homelessness is increasing, half the country will likely end up homeless in ten years
Well they won't freeze to death. Maybe if they weren't a giant asshole people would like them.
OP's landlord is threatening with eviction. Are you aware how fucking serious that is? In the current climate, this alone can single-handedly ruin someone's life and future. Eviction shouldn't even be on the table, and it wouldn't be, if it wasn't because of scalpers hoarding the entire housing market, and then holding working class people hostage if they don't play by the landlord's petty rules (which includes paying a fuckton of money monthly!)
The instant that the landlord threatened with eviction, they positioned themselves solidly in the wrong. For such a disproportionate threat to be justified, there should be reasonable suspicion that the tenant is going to commit homicide or plant a bomb or something over that level. Anything below that is an abuse of power, and said power is only as legitimate as scalping the market is.
I literally couldn't care less about AC or the window, and you are either being dishonest or acting like a shitty human being if you unironlically claim that the way OP uses AC warrants a threat of eviction. Even if OP were 100% in the wrong regarding AC (which is, in turn, not something I agree with, but I'm not getting into that), there is a whole world of difference in scale. By equating these two levels of magnitude, you are definitively siding with the landlord, even if you don't explicitly claim to do so (and you are, thus, also positioning yourself solidly in the wrong).
Also, y'all should be ashamed to call OP 'insufferable' for replying in a slightly mean tone after continuously being told that akshually maybe the landlord is right, and that they're oh such a troublesome tennant, after being threatened with fucking eviction.
Wow what a moral crusader you are.
Since half your rant is discussing housing, high costs, and the plight of the working class, I'm quite shocked that you have no issue with OP causing every other tenant in this shared house to not only not have cool air in their home, but also force them to pay sky high energy costs to blow a bunch of cooled air outside for no reason at all.
I absolutely guarantee that if OP had come here and said "my housemate refuses to close their window throughout the day which keeps the air conditioner from working and leaves us with a huge energy bill every month" you'd be right here spouting the similar outrage but directed at the person selfishly leaving the window open. I don't take a single thing you said seriously because it's so absurd and over the top.
OP has absolutely zero justification for what they're doing. Keeping the window open isn't going to keep them from getting COVID, they claim it's "too cold" yet also claim they "can just close the vent," and they claim they have 80lbs of stinky cat litter sitting on the floor which is their own damn fault. What this sounds like to me is untreated mental illness which is causing everyone else in their house problems. If they don't want to get evicted then maybe they should focus on that and stop forcing their problems on everyone else.
You should make sure to read up on tenant law for your area. If it’s Riverside CA then the landlord needs to give you notice when entering your room. There are statewide tenant laws that supersede the leases, but you need to make sure.
Second, if it’s not in your lease then they can pound sand. You really should have a copy of your lease. Again, depends on tenant law, but they might be required to provide a copy.
Sorry this is happening to you. Idk why everyone is fixated on the reasons to keep the window open or closed. If you go to court, only give reasons for the windows being open if the judge asks. Your main pints should be the landlord violating tenant laws by entering your room (if that applies for your area) and threatening to kick you out for something not in the lease.
Not a lawyer, none is legal advice. Going to a student law clinic for free tenant advice was a good suggestion, but read up on the tenant law for your area, they’re usually not too difficult to read.
This is not legal advice but in California, the landlord of a rooming house (which it sounds like you are in) has the right to make reasonable house rules and "keep the windows closed when the AC is on" is generally recognized as reasonable rule. Its unlikely a court would side with you on this.
Keeping the window open in a room (even with the door shut) impacts the temperature and humidity of the rest of the house. Rooms within a house are not air tight when the door is closed. In fact, the airflow in a house is designed to circulate and mix all the air from all the rooms so that the AC runs efficiently, even when the doors are closed.
The landlord doesn't live on the premises.
It doesn't matter. Unless they are keeping the apartment at an unreasonably high or low temp, then California typically recognizes a landlord's right to require you to keep the windows closed when the AC is running.
So you believe that California law states you're not allowed to ever open a window in a room you are renting if the landlord remotely sets the A/C to be at a constant temperature 24/7.
Sounds like you're reading off the wall in your mind palace. Is that accurate?
Regarding feeling like you'll get covid from the AC circulating air: Covid appears to mostly spread in the air by the virus attaching to dust or particles in the air. All of the air in the house will be pulled to a single intake vent, where there should be an HVAC filter to filter all of the air (the AC heat exchanger would eventually get clogged with dust without one). If that filter has a high enough MERV rating (how strong the filter is) it will be capable of removing all of the particles the virus can attach to, MERV 13 can even remove the virus itself from the air. This would mean that the air coming into your bedroom would be filtered and safe.
If you cannot confirm what MERV rating your HVAC filter is, then you could instead attach a MERV-13 filter to the back of a normal box fan (I recommend a 4" thick filter for longevity and reduced strain on the motor, as the thicker filter has a less restrictive airflow compared to a 1" filter) and run it in your bedroom to purify the air.
Regarding it being too cold in your room, AC vents can usually be adjusted to limit the flow into your room, or you could ask your roommates if they would be willing to compromise on a slightly lower overall temp, or if that fails, putting on some warmer clothing that's easy to take off if you need to go outside may be a good compromise.
I understand that neither of those things solve the issue of your cats or the smell of their litter, though. (A carbon anti-smell HVAC filter on the back of a box fan may help?)
Just to piggyback off this comment a bit (since I'm not sure I've ever rented anywhere with MERV 13+ filters). Try making a Corsi–Rosenthal Box with a box fan and 4 air filters. This might be beyond your price range since MERV13 filters aren't the cheapest in the world when you have to buy 4 of them, but I've been using mine for years and they work REALLY well. My PM2.5 sensor is consistently on "0" unless I'm cooking.
While Corsi boxes do work, I personally find that just using a single thicker 4" filter taped to the back of a fan works better, as it takes up a smaller footprint and allows you to direct the air flow at something other than the ceiling. The thicker filter is much, much less restrictive than a 1" filter due to the increased surface area. The thick ones (20x20x4") cost about $28 on ebay, and will last a very long time before needing to be replaced.
Damn people were just joking the other day about how everything is so illegal in the UK that you could be arrested for having your window open but I guess that was already real life
Today's forecast for Riverside, CA is high of 90F and 80% humidity. I'd want this asshole kicked to the curb if I was another renter in the house dealing with someone repeatedly opening the windows and defeating the AC.
Feels like a Reddit AITA creative writing exercise for rage bait. I don't miss it.
Edit: correction, I had the humidity incorrect. It's 90F and humidity in the 20s today. Still hot and still a shit thing to do to housemates if opening windows and defeating the A/C.
Feels like I am on Kiwi Farms. Love the defense of landlords and lack of empathy/understanding of the housing crisis, which OP is facing. Let them know about the forecast without being a dick about it.
The humidity is also not 80% throughout the day there. The humidity is quite low (20-25%~ when the heat peaks at 93 degrees at time of writing). It's also low overall, I don't see 80% anywhere, the highest I see is 50%~ and that is earlier and later in the day when it's 70s.
Source: https://www.accuweather.com/...
(And Semi-Functional Archive: https://archive.is/almLK - reveals that it's 42% humidity and 80 degrees at time of archival)
See OP's edit:
edit: I am purposefully not engaging with any comments on the subject of whether or not my landlord has a genuine gripe about me having my window open and my door closed in a room that does not have a temperature sensor for the A/C system. I offered to close the vent. I offered to have my rent raised to compensate. All was ignored. It’s about power tripping. So this post is about my rights in the face of that.
I said nothing about the landlord. There are other people in the same shitty house with the same shitty landlord, only they're also dealing with a housemate opening a window all the time because he's got 80 fucking pounds of cat litter smelling up the place.
Like I said, Lemmy rage bait. Complain about a landlord (rightfully) and everyone goes blind to all the other problems with the story.
I could have sworn it said 80% humidity this morning but I must have been looking at the wrong city and will admit I was wrong on that point. But I still hold that opening the window in 90F at any humidity is a shitty thing to do to housemates.
In the parlance of reddit AITA, they're both assholes.
I'm pretty sure you lied, I checked as soon as you posted from multiple sources. You're just contributing to the dog-pile and you proved it here when paired with your former response:
Like I said, Lemmy rage bait. Complain about a landlord (rightfully) and everyone goes blind to all the other problems with the story.
You say (rightfully) now, but when you posted you said, "I’d want this asshole kicked to the curb if I was another renter in the house dealing with someone repeatedly opening the windows and defeating the AC.". The OP offered to pay more rent to offset the costs.
Also, when you posted, the thread was overwhelmingly anti-OP. With significant upvotes on hateful and abusive posts. So, there's another distortion of facts from you.
Why abuse OP? Focus on real issues instead of bullying somebody facing housing insecurity.
The OP offered to pay more rent to offset the costs.
Again, I was empathizing with the housemates dealing with both shit landlord and shit housemate. What does OP paying more money to the landlord do to help the housemates? You think the landlord is going to give them a slice of that? I have a bridge to sell you.
I also edited original comment to correct myself on the humidity, leaving my original statement up. It was unintentional and can admit to the error.
It's probably going to come down to the lease terms. There's likely a mechanism to file some kind of complaint about this that would make the 3-days stop ticking, but I'm not a lawyer. If you can find a legal aid clinic, that's probably your best bet. Power-tripping landlords are the worst and I'm really sorry you're dealing with this.
I can not help you with anything legal. I live in a country with consumer rights and am shocked to see how you are treated.
I can understand both of you. Keeping you window open while the central AC runs will cost a fucking bunch of money and is bad for the environment.
On the other side, fresh air is important, it is your window and so on
Now, maybe you can compromise? Is there maybe a way to close the vents in your apartment so that you no longer receive cold air?
I only know how us apartment look from the inside from good old US Entertainment, but it seems to me that should be straight forward and possible
Hope someone has something for you
Op I'm so sorry you have to deal with all this bullshit, both the landlord and the smug assholes on here.♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
If the door is shut and there is no censor I see no problem. These comment jesus christ mary and joseph... chilll or not to chill that is the question. This is a very long thread. Is this some high level gipity?. Some kind of social experiment? Or is it the drama. When it comes to people or their problems I am gentle but my heart wants to eat a billionare.
If the door is shut and there is no censor I see no problem.
Yeah that's the situation. And it's part of why I didn't want to engage with the A/C discussion that turned into 80% of this thread. I don't know if some sinister Russian agent is using subliminal pixels to make everyone angry in here of it's a Banksy art piece. I think it's just more likely people argue on the internet a lot.
I will be honest. some of OPs' claims are hard to believe and weird.
but the first 3 accounts I have seen in the comments writing bullshit, also being against OP, have already got more downvotes by me than upvotes according to my client, even though I use downvotes very sparingly. that's telling something.
yes, it's likely someone is pouring time or money into making people hate each other in this place.
I will be honest. some of OPs’ claims are hard to believe and weird.
Landlord is a psycho. AMA.
part of the weird is the shared AC system should be pumping fresh air. I mean it sounds like cold air is coming in a tube to all rooms from a central place.
against cold air the solution is to put up some shirts. why aren't you doing that?
why do you believe the AC system is spreading covid? is covid an active threat right now in your area?
I don't have solution to the cats, maybe cat doors. but what will you do when winter comes and it will be cold outside?
Oh I'm not staying here until the winter.
And what the fuck is too difficult for you to understand about "I prefer the window open so that's how I have it"? Why are you trying to solve a problem that I have said is not a problem for me?
"Is It Leftist To Open Your Window" – the greatest thread in Bodybuilding Forums history, locked after 300 pages of debate
Your lease may not specifically say that you have to keep windows closed, but it is likely that there is a requirement for the landlord to provide air conditioning. Requirements like this usually have a stipulation that the renter not waste the provided utility. That's what your landlord is likely dinging you with, since the landlord is providing AC.
The only way to deal with it is that you'd have to sign off on taking ownership of the air conditioning. However, since it sounds like you have roommates given your fear of catching COVID at home, that doesn't seem likely.
It also seems likely that this is going to follow you to whatever rental living arraignment you have. Unless you are contractually taking full ownership of providing air conditioning to a liveable temperature, you're going to run into someone telling to keep the windows closed.
Have you read their lease/rental agreement? Doesn't seem like it, so perhaps it's best to not speculate. OP says there is no requirement to keep the window shut and also says that the landlord is refusing to provide a legible copy of the rental agreement. Wonder why?
The only way to deal with it is that you’d have to sign off on taking ownership of the air conditioning.
That is ridiculous advice. That is not sensible at all. I would never suggest to someone that they accept ownership of a system that could break at a moment's notice if they were simply a tenant...
It also seems likely that this is going to follow you to whatever rental living arraignment you have.
Highly doubtful that it'd follow OP if they could find something better, with a livable space and more ingredients to live a dignified life.
A window open in that climate, even during the summer, is not a huge risk. If OP paid for the electricity (which they had already offered to do in the form of a rent increase), this wouldn't be a problem. Sounds like they aren't able to live a dignified life in their current situation and alternatives aren't really present at this time.
It's almost like if you are a landlord, it's your job to make sure that people have the ability to safely and comfortably live in the places you rent out, as long as they aren't hurting anybody or damaging the property... sounds like part of their job description to me.
I don't know though, you tell me how actually landlords have it so bad because of the closet they rent out having an open window in a relatively dry climate and the tenant wanting to make it right and keep their window open by paying more rent. The horror.
However, since it sounds like you have roommates given your fear of catching COVID at home, that doesn’t seem likely.
...? If there is not sufficient filtering, OP is at some level of risk living with other people with shared ventilation.
I haven't read the agreement, in part because OP didn't provide it. I'm just providing a probable means in which the landlord could be using in order to push OP out on the street.
A requirement to provide a means of air conditioning is common in the warmer parts of the USA; it is a reason why the summer increased death toll stays so low despite lethal summer temperatures. It also depends on how the law is written; someone else would need to read the law to see if opening a window is considered acceptable or not.
And for everyone making trying to make a moral argument to me about this, I'm not making a moral argument. I'm trying to explain the possible legal mechanism that is occurring where the landlord is trying to push out OP as a way for OP to look at ways to defend themselves.
OP is very likely not responsible for that as a tenant. Unless, of course, they take your silly advice to assume ownership of an expensive A/C unit serving a house/unit with several tenants.
Sounds like you are in bad faith. Nobody suggests that.
You're right, OP likely isn't responsible for AC. That's why the owner controls the AC, likely because they are legally required to provide AC. That's what I said originally.
However, it is usually written into the law that tenants can't waste landlord provided utilities, and this sounds like the argument that the landlord is making to the town. It sounds like this is just an excuse for the landlord to kick OP out, but this isn't an argument that I'm making is good.
You keep mixing me up with the landlord.
Edit: It turns out I am somewhat wrong. CA law requires that, if AC is provided, it must be restored by the landlord in case the AC breaks at the landlord's cost alone. Tenants are legally able to withhold rent due to a broken AC.
Therefore, there is no legal way for OP as a tenant to take over AC costs.
Your affectatious writing style and your constant references to a purely mind palace version of what you think the law 'probably' is resound to make you look like a sophomoric fucking moron.
You are correct that my lease agreement is a black box to you. But you go on to speculate that the California civil code makes it illegal for me to open my window?
I'm shocked you weren't called on it. Cite your source, fucking nitwit.
Seems like California doesn't require AC for habitability, but mandates landlord repair and maintenance if the service was provided when the lease was signed and the tenant moved in. Sounds like since you have AC, your landlord is required to provide it to at least one of the tenants unless it was newly installed.
It is a lawyer summary instead of the code, but feel free to dig into the California legal code if you want to argue back.
Oh another fun fact: my landlord has repeatedly refused my requests for a paper copy of my rental agreement. They just kept sending the same jpg file from their iphone the exact same way that compressed the image to make it unreadable over and over again no matter how many times I pointed it out. They said they would charge me for a printed copy (in person not in writing).
Sorry Sally. We were all on your side about getting raped but no one likes a sourpuss! Guess you deserved it!
It’s 2026 and there are still people scared out of their mind of catching Covid? 🤣
I bet OP has had Covid multiple times already without even realising it. That’s how much of a nothing it is.
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A quarter of a million people are getting long covid every week. You have fun with your kidney failure. I'm good still wearing a mask in the grocery store.
You sound like an unhinged crazy person, so no, you’re not good lol.
My ideal solution to this is that I cover my ass by just acceding to the demand ON MONDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY and not before as is the written demand on the notice they gave me. My babies get the holiday weekend. Then they take me to court and I have both the righteous argument about having the right to keep my window open AND the nyeener nyeener you can't touch me of 3 days worth of security footage on SD cards. So I want to be safe but I also want the judge to give me a decision on that shit being on my lease. BECAUSE IT'S MY FUCKING WINDOW AND I WANT IT OPEN
It's pretty naive to assume that the landlord hasn't documented the last several times they were forced to close your window. If I were you, I'd start looking for a place with an outdoor patio. At this point your landlord wants you gone and would probably be happy to let you out of the lease with all of the trouble you're causing.
It’s pretty naive to assume that the landlord hasn’t documented the last several times they were forced to close your window.
And I literally went to get a security camera to document it myself as a violation of my right to peaceful enjoyment of the premises. AN ACTUAL BLACK LETTER LAW. So obviously something this sophomoric comment section of bootlickers wouldn't consider important. "Forced" to close my window? As any criminal is "forced" to break the law?
with all of the trouble you’re causing.
Psychotic read of the situation. I am minding my business using the window I pay rent for how I wish. The only 'trouble' is being inflicted on me by an antagonistic landlord that feels like they can invent rules after contracts are signed and money is exchanged.
But oh! I was rude to someone who completely rewrote their entire comment after I replied! The victim asked for it! The internet decided you were unpopular for being upset when something horrible happened to you so now you're unpopular and deserve to die! I'm part of the group!
What is at the heart of needing to keep the door open tho? Is it purey the cats to the point you can make them a catdoor?
Not siding with the landlord, theres a realoty where landlords hold a ton of economic/legal/political power and they can really fuck you if you dont pick your battles.
The suggestion of a cat door keeps being raised and I don't understand how that would fix anything about this situation for anyone. It's mounted in a screen for the window, so by its nature the window will still be open. The only difference I can see is being charged to replace a window screen when I move out.
There would be less air coming in and it'd appear shut and likely placate the owner. You could defuse this by bringing it up that you would put it in while you sleep, during higher (peak) temperatures and humidity, and wear warmer clothing to compensate while it's in.
That way your cats can get in while you sleep, and you can enjoy the fresh air when you want it. Is it a pain in the ass? Yes, but it could calm the landlord down. You can always block the vent temporarily if you are chilly and keep the cat door in. Try the box fan and filter setup to filter the smell, as the other commenter suggested.
Mention the COVID concerns and see if you can ask about what type of filter is installed or inspect the setup. Like another user suggested, you should be good with a sufficient filter.
I did all of my work trying to find a reasonable compromise in the first weeks I moved in here and had them all slapped aside. I'm not looking for advice to get along with this person anymore. We are well past that point and are now in open acrimonious conflict. I caught this person stealing unopened mail addressed to the people who live here. All of my roommates tell about having their cookware stolen, one instance with an entire pot full of food that was cooling on the cooking range. I'm not staying here. But I'm not going to get kicked out over violating a rule that does not exist. The timing of this is that they're trying to steal a full month's rent from me and have me out early in the month. The notice was given the day after my payment. That's not a coincidence. And after I defend myself against this unlawful action, I intend to retaliate with a comprehensive list of their violations, up to and including of federal law.
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So the whole place shares the same A/C? You keeping the window open while that's blasting is a huge waste of energy. I don't intend to detract from your other points, but that does seem like a genuine issue to complain about. Have you asked if they could turn the A/C down? Or is there any way to isolate the ventilation?
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