Mark Carney statement on Lindsay Graham's death

a month ago by Avid Amoeba to c/canada

Senator Lindsey Graham dedicated his life to serving the people of South Carolina and the United States.

Throughout his career, he stood resolutely in defence of democracy and freedom, most recently and particularly with Ukraine and its people.

I offer my condolences to Senator Graham’s family, friends, and all those who served alongside him.

It's real. Apparently Joly and Anand also chimed in.

aarch0x40 71 points a month ago

Graham was an absolute fucking cunt. The only thing he was ever good at was eating Trump’s ass. Everyone knows he loved going deep on that one.

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avidamoeba 63 points a month ago

What the absolute fuck, etc. Could have and SHOULD have said nothing.

In case you don't know what Lindsay Graham was, especially in Canadian context, David Doel did a good recap.

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lobut 23 points a month ago

Carney's playing politics, riling up Trump or the Republicans would just put his statements into the news cycle for weeks and then the 51st rhetoric would go around again.

That being said, yeah, saying nothing sounds good. If it wasn't nothing, I would have preferred him just keep it far more neutral.

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Reannlegge 32 points a month ago

He should not have said anything, if he had to I would have really preferred he rilled up the Trump ass eaters. Got Canadians back to the boycott a little more.

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yakko 4 points a month ago

It's rhetorical appeasement. And to be clear, I'm drawing a parallel with Chamberlain.

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mrdown 4 points a month ago

Trump only care about himself.

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bunkyprewster 4 points a month ago

I kind of assume Carney is part of the new liberal establishment (think Clinton, Biden but also Bush) so recently overthrown by Trumpism in the US - but I'm not Canadian so it's a little fuzzy.

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funksoulkitchen 3 points a month ago

The last sentence would be acceptable, first two weren't really true

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Archangel1313 38 points a month ago

The rate at which I am losing respect for this clown, is ludicrous.

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IronBird 17 points a month ago

did anyone seriously expect the investment banker to be on any side but status quo?

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BurgerBaron 11 points a month ago

I'm curious to see if he makes it past 1 term at this rate. The problem is, now that Libs and Cons are blurring, does the NDP get stronger or was fascism in Canada only briefly delayed?

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ArmchairAce1944 5 points a month ago

I lost all respect for him the moment he started proposing bill C-2 (now C-22) and others.

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asg101 33 points a month ago

Sounds like the same B.S.

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mirshafie 11 points a month ago

If only they said "despite our disagreements, my heart goes out to the grieving family" or some other tasteful bullshit to dodge it. I'd look the other way, I'd say that politicians do what they have to do.

But they don't. They are straight up sucking up to his corpse for no reason at all. Also, Carney was really happy about the attacks against Iran, so fuck him all over.

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OrteilGenou 3 points a month ago

It's not for no reason, it's always the same reason. The people in the deepest parts of the slime salute their peers because they can't face the truth that if they don't, then nobody will salute them when it's their turn.

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i_stole_ur_taco 32 points a month ago

Shut up, Mark.

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rozodru 29 points a month ago

oh fuck off Mark. all that good will and optimism from the people you had earlier this year you've quickly squandered. You have quickly turned your party into "The Cons V2" so now we have to rely on the god damn NDP who STILL don't have their shit together.

you're not helping, you didn't need to say anything, Stop ass kissing the US when you were in fucking commercials with mike myers saying "elbows up". fuck off buddy. I TOTALLY regret voting for this ass clown.

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swordgeek 16 points a month ago

Lewis is working pretty quickly to make the NDP relevant again. That's why Poilivre is being kept around despite no hope of forming a majority - to drive Canada towards a two party system.

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Peanutbjelly 12 points a month ago

Liberals have been acting like the USA democrat faux progressives for a while. Like when smaller parties started running on voter reform to avoid getting stuck in the same two party 'fascists vs faux opposition' deal that has already turned the states into a corrupt pillaging competition. Liberals suddenly ran on voter reform, and when Trudeau won he was immediately like "oh THAT'S what voter reform means? Oh of course we're not doing THAT lol." and all momentum for voter reform was lost.

Corpo fascists in anti fascist clothing, and local progressives can't seem to gather without chasing all of the effort out of the group with local toe stepping, and god forbid instead of bombs we ever get money put into taking modern understanding of complex systems and using it to scale heterarchical cooperation between non-identical groups with honest progressive intents.

So you have fascists pretending to be progressive, and progressives attacking different kinds of progressives instead of the fascists, and everyone gets mad when you try to make this particular framing more salient.

I got weird looks when I'd originally been asked what I thought about Carney before his election, and I said "he is saying and doing the right things, but I only expect that to last as far as it's opportunistically useful.

He's playing the political game now in a way that legitimizes that fascist regime that keeps threatening our country, and I'm not on the side of 'safely' capitulating to fascist regimes.

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Witchfire 5 points a month ago

So you have fascists pretending to be progressive, and progressives attacking different kinds of progressives instead of the fascists, and everyone gets mad when you try to make this particular framing more salient.

Venn diagram

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Peanutbjelly 2 points a month ago

looks about right.

TLDR: it's a hard balance without letting groups get derailed or astroturfed, but if we can't actively scale progressive efforts collectively, we will all die in our little lonely bubbles knowing that at least "i got mine," or whatever.

although i'd suggest a lot of the leftist infighting is instigated, a large part of it is the half-century of rich jerks attacking education and science, both systemically and culturally.

progressive groups tend to grow out of lived traumas, and seem weirdly easy to pit against each other due to their natural stress and defensiveness.

there are good examples like groups like atheists fighting and feminists while the heritage foundation and cohorts run away with the cake. atheists trying to ban circumcision in the USA? obviously it's because they hate women, better rally and attack them and make them defensive and not able to continue making the heritage foundation's corruption too salient. feminists academics figuring out how model social structures so that we can act with more basic freedoms and autonomy outside of the constraints of systems that we already know are not working? obviously these are the same people attacking the atheists for the misogyny of trying to get circumcision banned and sending them images of phallic mutilation. i wish more feminists successfully fought for a presentation counter to that, the same way one would not care to associate with TERFS (who act as progressives, but ignore trans rights through the same weird 'letting trans people exist hurts women somehow probably, don't think about it.' kinda crap.)

usually the problems (of people who actually care about general progressive ideals) boil down to bad/disabled communication, and refusal to actually engage with the perspective of the other group/party. i wish more progressive groups would grow an arm specifically for comprehending and enacting efforts at different scales, mixed with modern academic understanding of complex and high-dimensional living systems, which is an essay or five in itself. unless we collectively put value there, we just won't have the tools to properly scale collective intent.

i think all groups have an easily influenced chud populace, but these pots definitely feel additionally stirred, and i used to have a long list of little media corps that came and went doing nothing but articles stirring up divisive shit for congregate sites. trying to just talk about out how to make progressive cooperation work has gotten me banned from a weirdly high number of progressive communities as well over the past 2 decades, so i think it's safe to say this topic still hasn't been allowed to become salient enough.

solidarity is important for a reason. it's a shame i can't interact with half of the groups because if the subgroup starts lynching someone, and you say "these are innocent people catching strays, and 'punching up' by punching down at the 'bad identity group' when you have the power to do so is harmful to anything we should be trying to achieve from any actual academic comprehension of intersectionality and our high-dimensional lived reality. trying to encourage a group to act in a way that doesn't isolate them and hurt their effort just gets you banned, and now we are in modern times and it went as you would expect.

it's really hard to navigate these spaces because of how paradoxical the lived experiences become in diverse groups actively growing and further complexifying their own precision and weighting on polysemous boundings (such as the 'nobody agrees on what liberals are' problem.) also science communication is shit, so we don't have anyone actively communicating this stuff to the public, also i guess adults just have no incentive to learn anything ever unless they are already in an academically enabled pocket, which is its' own conversation. would really be a really functional spot for artists and other communicators, which do exist, but are mostly paid to make advertisements so people who have too much money can be more salient and make a bigger portion of the money. etc.

shit's broke.

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CanadaPlus 1 point a month ago

Good diagram. Although, Liberals are aware there's something left of them they're not in.

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Soup 6 points a month ago

“The NDP don’t have their shit together” brother what the fuck are you talking about? They had an election for a new leader that went really well(ranked-choice voting is awesome) and Lewis is sending out a strong, clear message. They’ve always been available but Canadians fall so easily for the idea that the Liberals are the “default” that we chose 95% of Pierre Poilievre to avoid him instead of raying behind the party that actually demand real change. In 2021, the NDP got well over half the votes that the LPC did but because the seats didn’t work out proportionally everyone just went “the NDP has no support”.

I know you have your regrets, and glad you’ve seen the problem eventually, but deflection isn’t going to help anyone.

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GreenBeard 26 points a month ago

Nope. Learn when to keep your mouth shut Mark. This, is not working to unite Canada.

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BurgerBaron 24 points a month ago

Fuck you too, Mark.

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Snapz 24 points a month ago

Centrists are just conservatives too afraid of the label

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ArmchairAce1944 2 points a month ago

Centrists are the least informed and ironically are the most authoritarian bunch of the left-right paradigm.

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grte 21 points a month ago

People have been calling Carney a "red Tory" but I think he's actually a 2000s era neoconservative. We've more or less made David fucking Frum our prime minister.

Let us also not forget that Lindsey Graham called for the invasion of Canada at least once. That is apparently what the "right, honourable" Mark Carney considers to be a resolute defender of democracy.

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binux 18 points a month ago

Throughout his career, he stood resolutely in defence of democracy and freedom

Didn’t know Mark Cuckey is a former writer for the Beaverton

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CanadianCorhen 13 points a month ago

Strongly disagree with what Carney said, but not sure he could say anything other.

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avidamoeba 27 points a month ago

Shoulda said nothing. I highly doubt anything material and good comes from this message. Saying nothing would've avoided the rest.

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Phil_in_here 9 points a month ago

And who the fuck is out there demanding the Canadian PM say something about a relatively old American senator dying of an illness? Literally the only reason to ask for a comment is to try to incite some inflammatory bullshit from one angle or another.

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Contrary 8 points a month ago

Why the fuck is the Canadian prime minister commenting on the death of an American senator AT ALL??? What a fucking joke.

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CanadaPlus 1 point a month ago

To kiss ass.

Kissing ass is 99% of a politician's job. If it seems like they're not, they're kissing your ass.

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Contrary 3 points a month ago

Bullshit. Name one other international political leader mourning the death of this cockroach. Not even fucking Trump cared.

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CanadaPlus 4 points a month ago

Let's see, going by this article, Zelensky, Stubb, Netanyahu and Kestutis Budrys (who's apparently the Lithuanian leader).

Xi Jinping probably can't be bothered for a mere senator, but it'd be surprising if many of the Latin American leaders don't also offer a tribute.

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Bebopalouie 4 points a month ago

I keep wondering if Carney is gambling on the rapist kicking it sooner rather than later and just spewing platitudes to keep rapists eyes on other things.

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Malyca 3 points a month ago

Some would say being authentic goes a long way these days. Artificial platitudes don't land like they used to.

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CanadaPlus 2 points a month ago

Looking like you're being authentic while actually not being works even better, though.

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nik282000 12 points a month ago

Politicians are the only invertebrate mammals.

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DarkFuture 12 points a month ago

Is there a Senator Lindsey Graham in Canada or is this guy just massively stupid?

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k0e3 10 points a month ago

What an absolute cuck of a prime minister, fuck this guy.

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Snapz 9 points a month ago

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Malyca 9 points a month ago

They're so out of touch they actually don't realize how they sound.

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Marshezezz 8 points a month ago
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mrdown 7 points a month ago

Fuck carney the bullshitter

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Hazzard 7 points a month ago

I'll just reiterate what I said when Kamala Harris said it:

I understand that it would clearly be unwise politically to be seen celebrating someone's death... but I don't understand why politicians don't simply choose to say nothing more often. I highly doubt anyone on the fence is swayed by her message, or would notice its absence.

Meanwhile, celebrating his life is really off putting to a lot of people who would've voted for Kamala in the last election. How is this a good idea for her?

This seems even dumber.... nobody expects a Canadian politician to jump in here, and frankly, it's an even worse look.

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impairedimperator 1 point a month ago

He....very much did say nothing. Like that's the most generic ass "I told an intern to write a condolence" eulogy I've ever seen. That shit doesn't have one anecdote in it, even though the pacing of the text offers three, maybe even four places for personality.

This right here was some performative respect, and that's putting it nicely.

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Lushed_Lungfish 6 points a month ago

Well as a private citizen that had no skin in the game, he's just another dead richwhiteman to my brown ass.

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Witchfire 5 points a month ago

Typical liberal.

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corsicanguppy 5 points a month ago

I love how the flatlanders come out in force whenever Mark sneezes

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trackball_fetish 4 points a month ago

As someone south of your border, what the fuck

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dotCody 4 points a month ago

What a dirty sack of shit.

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masterspace 0 points a month ago

Lol everyone in this thread is acting like an outrage addicted moron.

Learn how to play politics dumbasses, sometimes it involves doing and saying distasteful things.

Grow up.

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grte 17 points a month ago

Lindsey Graham has called for the invasion of Canada. You know what else is good politics? Knowing when to shut the fuck up.

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masterspace -9 points a month ago

You know what's quite frankly more important right now then pissing and moaning about Graham's sycophantic public statements to please Trump?

Convincing Trump to keep supporting Ukraine.

Indignant outrage is a cheap high, not smart politics.

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grte 16 points a month ago

You know what absolutely did not convince Trump to keep supporting Ukraine? This stupid ass fucking tweet.

Also, guess what. Carney doesn't need Lindsey Graham's vote or Donald Trump's vote to keep his position. He needs our votes, so maybe praising someone who wanted the USA to invade Canada is actually really stupid politics.

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masterspace -6 points a month ago

You know what absolutely did not convince Trump to keep supporting Ukraine? This stupid ass fucking tweet.

You literally don't know that. Lots of people have accused Mark Rutte of pandering to Trump, but from all reporting it's worked because Trump is actually that vane. Reminding him that one of his closest supporters vehemently supported Ukraine has a chance of moving the needle.

Also, guess what. Carney doesn't need Lindsey Graham's vote or Donald Trump's vote to keep his position. He needs our votes, so maybe praising someone who wanted the USA to invade Canada is actually really stupid politics.

Lmfao "why isn't carney pandering to us, we're the reactionarily outraged!"

I think you're confusing him for PP, Carney is the one who behaves like an adult.

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ILikeBoobies 7 points a month ago

That's just it.

In Canada the proper politics would be to celebrate another dead yankee.

To appease the US you can write a message like this.

Meeting in the middle is saying nothing. So the good pragmatist makes no statement.

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masterspace -2 points a month ago

This is simple-munded nonsense.

"You're either with us or against us."

It's binary thinking garbage.

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ILikeBoobies 4 points a month ago

How is listing 3 options a binary?

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mrdown 7 points a month ago

Never praise war criminals

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masterspace -4 points a month ago

Lmfao, "the best path forward is one of naiivey doing whatever seems most right to outside observers".

Again, give up the rageahol, and grow up.

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mrdown 4 points a month ago

You are ok with praising a war criminal calling for genocide and invading canada. Trump only care about himself, there is no good reason to praise this scum.

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masterspace -5 points a month ago

He's literally praising him to try and convince Trump to keep supporting Ukraine.

That alone is good enough reason.

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melsaskca -1 points a month ago

A true diplomat and a statesman. I'm an NDP guy but I'm still glad Carney is my current PM.

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mrdown 6 points a month ago

Are you serious?

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melsaskca 0 points a month ago

Yes. Yes, I am.

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mrdown 4 points a month ago

Are those the so called canadian values? Mourning warmongers

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melsaskca -2 points a month ago

Why, yes. Yes they are.

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Zeddex 3 points a month ago

I mean I'm glad we didn't get PM PP but let's be real Carney is kind of shit.

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CanadaPlus -4 points a month ago

Good.

Mark Carney is not an internet person who can say whatever he wants.

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