Luigi Mangione’s state murder trial postponed indefinitely amid double jeopardy fight
2 months ago by lemmygarden to c/luigimangione
Maybe that's why they were so quick to reverse course on the insanity plea or whatever.
The rich fear jury nullification will encourage more justice, so they made up some bullshit.
The feds didn't get him on murder. My first thought when I saw this is that he has very clever defense attorneys that at least managed to frustrate the state prosecutors by having him plead to a federal non-murder charge that could shut down the State murder case through double jeopardy.
I can't remember any other time in my life that I've been hoping somebody would get off on a technicality
As a conspiracy theorist: The bigger question is, I wonder what they're distracting us from this week? They're gonna hold him to use his presence as a distraction when they need one. Other than that, he is a suspected murderer and they'll use that as the official reason for holding him but we all know, deep down inside, he's now a tool to be used to distract us.
So we should all be asking the questions: Who are we invading this week? Where's the next biggest arsenal shipment heading? Who's going to be teaming up with Israel this week? Is Germany teaming up with Israel the will of the US or is it defeatism?
What is going on that they just plopped him into the news?
Aha!
Funny that you should mention distractions because when I was undistracted I come upon this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1JQb3g0AW5M&pp=ygUQYmFkZW1wYW5hZGEgZ29sZA%3D%3D
Stealing their oil AND NOW their gold too?! Bruh.... reza shah has found a new home in Caracas and weve been diistracted as he made his way deep into Venezuela I guess lol 🤷🏿♂️
They cannot do that. If they aren't going to try him, they must release him.
.... They MUST release him??!
....ooooh my Sweet Summer Child👨🍼
The trial in the state can't move forward until double jeopardy is determined to apply or not. Did you think they just suspended the trial cause evil? Cause I'm not following your statement otherwise
It's suspended because there's no point in holding a trial if it's going to be overturned on double jeopardy. It's indefinite since there's no point in scheduling a follow-up until the question of it being double jeopardy is answered.
Like, guys, stop attributing motivations to what is arguably the only way forward.
Only way forward? They didn’t have to file the double jeopardy cases in the first place. They chose to, in order to be evil and harass and torture him with the legal system to the maximum extent possible.
While normally that could be the case, but in this case he isn't getting released either way.
The trial moving forward would be the worse scenario for the defendant. The state charges are worse than the federal charges. The later or never the state case gets tried, the better for him.
The point I was making is that there used to be a human rights violation and against the First and Fifth Amendments to hold someone indefinitely without a trial. But that ended in 2014.
Yes. Yes that is evil.
Make a decision or release him. It's literally that easy (im aware courts take longer to do everything but suspending indefinitely is kind of insane)
"Release him"? Dude, he's in jail pending sentencing for his federal case. There is no releasing at this point. This isn't anyone twisting a knife, it's just not scheduling a new court date until the double jeopardy question is resolved. Y'all need to chill and put your heads on before you react to things.
Well, this man will never be tried.
What does this mean for the non-lawyers still curious?
This is the half I do know and also why I'm still lost!🤬
Double jeopardy is being charged with the same crime twice.
His lawyers are arguing that because he has already pled guilty to the federal charges of “interstate stalking resulting in death,” and “cyber stalking resulting in death” that the state charges of second degree murder, weapons possession and false identification should be dismissed.
The state prosecutors are arguing that the state charges are different enough that they should be allowed to go forward with the state trial as well.
Usually all the parts of a single crime that result in separate charges count as the same incident for purposes of double jeopardy.
Orange hater here: it’s worth pointing out that the federal charges came after the pedopres put pressure on the DOJ to ensure that there would be federal charges on top of the state charges.
Anything the orange turd touches dies.
The honest answer is basically you can't be tried twice for the same crime. Say someone is found dead, the police think you did it, you go on trial and found innocent, the police can't just put you on another trial hoping for a different verdict.
What about appeals? In my country you will usually start your case in the city court and can appeal the result to the state court. If it is a special case without clear precedent, you can get approval to try your case at the supreme court. In some edge cases city courts might say you have to start in the state court, but you always get at least one appeal. In very special cases a city court might say you have to start in the state court, but then you can still appeal to the supreme court without approval.
It is not rare for a higher court to reverse the verdict of a lower court completely if the higher court interpreted the law differently. In that case the lower courts will use that as precedence for future cases whether it will be a reversal of the guilty verdict or the punishment.
And sentencing guidelines suggest 25-30 years for what he plead guilty too.
So if he gets the guideline amount, good behaviour in prison, and state case dropped, could easily be walking free in his early 50s.
Probably a smart play by him tbh. Plus federal prisons tend to be much less horrible conditions than state prisons.
Problem is that the crime didn't fit any of the criteria for federal homicide, so they had to settle for lesser charges if they wanted to pursue it as a federal case. A more strategic DOJ probably would have let the state handle it, since it was by all measures the core of the incident would have been a state crime rather than federal.
The crime charges they had evidence for. The feds fucked up the evidence.
Bondi tried to encourage it.
So meanwhile, has he gotten the healthcare yet that United denied him?? Let us not forget that was the impetus of his prison martyrdom.
Pretty much ya. Specifically because the state murder charges are in NY. This wouldn't fly everywhere.
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Pleading guilty was some deep strategy by his team. It's going to be so fucking hilarious when he gets off state charges because of double jeopardy.
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