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23 days ago by antonim to c/onehundredninetysix

strawberry_enjoyer42 93 points 23 days ago

PSA: tech bros and people who buy the lastest iphone are not nerds!

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Zizzy 33 points 23 days ago

yeah this is all i could think about reading it. The nerds are using older products, often saving them from going to a landfill. Theyre reading books. The person buying an iphone every year is the opposite of a nerd

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strawberry_enjoyer42 9 points 22 days ago

Exactly! I collect cassettes, books, and boardgames, and 95% of the time they're thrifted; it's the same with my clothes and instruments.

I'm actually planning on reviving my old... i think it's an iPod Touch 5? It's not a very "good" device, but it'll serve well as a music player :3

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qiot 10 points 22 days ago

tech bros are "nerds (derogatory)", geeks are "nerds (endearing)"

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ChaoticNeutralCzech 6 points 23 days ago

Yet another example where geeks overlap with but are very much distinct from nerds

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strawberry_enjoyer42 4 points 22 days ago

Honestly, I'm not sure this counts as being a geek, either, but I'm a nerd; I have no qualifications to say one way or the other.

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boonhet 5 points 22 days ago

In fact nerds don't tend to care about fashion items as status symbols and if you buy an iPhone every year, you're very much doing it to show everyone your updated camera bump layout, as they last a long time in reality, much like modern Android flagships. And I doubt most nerds care about a 10% performance uplift enough to spend money every year. Money that could be funneled into expensive hobbies

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pmk 81 points 23 days ago

The "nerds" I know spend days getting an obscure ROM to work on a 6 year old phone they got for free from a relative instead of chasing the latest tech. Having the newest and slimmest phone is about fashion, not hacking.

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joulethief 21 points 23 days ago

Or reverse-engineering the LEGO Island source code.

Or emulating a Wii U gamepad on a Pi Zero.

Or porting applications to Windows 95.

I might have an obsession with a certain YouTuber.

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NominatedNemesis 2 points 21 days ago

I am interested now, can you give the channel name or link please?

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joulethief 3 points 21 days ago path: 0 25951413 25954368 25982126 25984778, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 1
NominatedNemesis 2 points 20 days ago

Thank you! Turns out I saw some of the videos, but never managed to subscribe. Today that's changed. :)

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muzzle 53 points 23 days ago

This comic confuses the nerd, who has a 12 year old laptop with netbsd on it, a flipphone, and a PSP they use to emulate a game boy advance, with those cosplaying as one by buying the newest tech gadget as soon as it is out.

The techbros pushing the singulrity are not nerds either. It's unclear if Musk ever really read Iain Banks' culture novels he keeps referencing, but if he did, he 100% missed their point.

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joulethief 12 points 23 days ago

Right? Using the term 'nerd' in this context infuriates me

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birdwing 4 points 23 days ago

Joke's on them, I have an actual Game Boy Advance. Bud still works after all these years.

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Valmond 5 points 23 days ago

You should try a DS, the screen is usable for us old people 😁!

Wait, did you say Advance ? Best fucking handheld ever built 😍

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antonim -4 points 22 days ago

I'm kind of repeating myself, but the comic is pretty old (before 2014), and I think the culture and words' meanings have shifted a bit in the meantime.

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muzzle 11 points 22 days ago

No, i don't think so. That use of the word nerd was as out of place 15 years ago as it is today.

Source: I was a nerd 15 years ago too.

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homosapien 4 points 22 days ago

Then replace the word in an image editor? Or if it's this old try to refine it a bit?

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antonim -1 points 22 days ago

It's not my work, I don't want to (and don't have much of a right to) meddle with it. If I even thought of updating it to my tastes, I'd do everything differently, far from changing just one word. Art can't be updated.

The interesting part is, to me, how a few details do seem not at all outdated, despite many others being grating.

I must admit, now I understand even more clearly why the author deleted all of her work off the internet...

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missingno 42 points 23 days ago

The first half of this comic started to have a point, but kinda lost me as soon as the author started condemning the idea of having hobbies.

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Swedneck 27 points 23 days ago

we've finally come full circle from "haha nerds are awkward losers!" through "actually nerds are fine" to "haha nerds are just straight up ontologically bad!"

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antonim 0 points 22 days ago

The comic is from >10 years ago (ran 2007‐2014).

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fushuan 5 points 21 days ago

And was wrong then too. Extremely. Techbros existed back then too.

This is bringing real criticism of a group and blaming it on another group. It's bad.

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explodicle 0 points 22 days ago

Some might claim it's more relevant today than it originally was

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AVincentInSpace 3 points 21 days ago

Some would be very obviously wrong

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homosapien 29 points 22 days ago

"nerds" please, say techbro. No one that's obsessed with computing is buying the thinnest macbookℱ. Nor are they incharge of making ot

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BeerStainedBunny 20 points 22 days ago

Wanting a SteamDeck isn't the same as being racist (since you brought it up). A lot of nerds like things outside of computers and phones. In fact, some of us are pretty resourceful and reusing older devices for less waste and more privacy.

Last year I gave away my Switch because I didn't play it as much as I used to. Same with my old phone and hard drive. So spare me the self-righteous bullshit.

Also your comic sucks and is too wordy. It's a comic draw better pictures.

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antonim 2 points 22 days ago

It's not my comic, see the description, it's a decade old.

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BeerStainedBunny 10 points 22 days ago

I mean you could probably draw better than whoever made this comic since it's barely anything, but still the message of the comic is making assumptions about nerds and calling us racist for being nerds.

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antonim 6 points 22 days ago

The comic was pretty popular back in the day, the minimal empty style had its charm, and worked well with the themes.

I suspect the comic's notion of "nerd" is just outdated. Or off the mark. Either way, the actual criticisms don't apply to what we call nerds, but to something else, others have pointed out the better word would be tech bros.

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infinitesunrise 4 points 21 days ago

If it were me I wouldn't post something I disagreed with.

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Tiger_Man_ 20 points 22 days ago

this is wrong usage of nerd, it describes tech bros. the actual nerds have enough class conciousness to oppose consumptionism and capitalism

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Impleader 9 points 21 days ago

No true nerd fallacy

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strawberry_enjoyer42 5 points 22 days ago

mrow :3

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Tiger_Man_ 3 points 22 days ago

:3

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Nouvellalia 18 points 22 days ago

Oh yeah! Do drag queens next! They just got their 15 seconds of fame a decade ago too!

Drags are ruining the planet! Makeup just kills kids in the third world! And fast fashion! And those lights! On the mirrors and the stage! Girl! Global warming!

Buncha rich white men wasting their lives pretending! Wigs in the trash! Cigarettes! Wanting to make everyone werk themselves to death trying to slay everyone!

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mycodesucks 18 points 23 days ago

I don't own a single computer newer than 2013. I keep a stack of old hardware people who upgrade throw away to ensure I'll ALWAYS have a supply of old computers I'll keep out of landfill.

Normal people spent decades IGNORING the warnings of nerds and buying the bullshit of tech bros, and now the nerds who tried to warn them get blamed for this mess? Piss off.

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Pencilnoob 17 points 22 days ago

Here's the thing, I don't think the comic is Wrong. I tend to agree that consumption as an identity is fairly shallow and not particularly noble or beneficial to the enrichment of society or the individual.

However the comic falls short by only attacking one specific consumption hobby / identity. What about buying new trendy water bottles every season, or hobby dabbling, or movie buff, or social media scroller. Ultimately consumption as a whole is a pale reflection of production. Building, making, memeing, writing, exercise, photography, model building, Lego, Minecraft, Factorio. Helping others, volunteering, building relationships. These are the activities that enrich us and those around us.

This is why travel to sit in a hotel is fine and a little shallow and you'll have forgotten all about it in ten years. Travel and stay in a hostel and meet cool weird people in the common area and you'll remember them for the rest of your life.

Of course one can't produce all day every day. The person that only ever produces will burn out, and lose a sense of why they produce. Consumption and production should be balanced. I'm the first one to crash on the sofa and watch some Star Trek after a long day at the digital mines.

At least this is my philosophy.

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JennyLaFae 6 points 22 days ago

I don't think work is production, hobby model building gives more production satisfaction.

Community labor gives satisfaction and benefits the community.

Productive labor gives satisfaction and benefits yourself.

Capitalist labor gives tokens instead of satisfaction and benefits the capitalist.

Under capitalist labor we consume using tokens to buy various forms of satisfaction, which turn hollow in our spirits leaving us hungry for more.

~Ranting MadWoman

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cybervseas 15 points 23 days ago

The idea that the "nerd out" trend just turned into everyone sharing their favorite brands 🙂

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chunes 12 points 21 days ago

The comic was dumb when it came out and it's a lot more dumb now.

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wieson 12 points 23 days ago

If only the jocks or the theatre kids could accumulate all the capital, then our society would be saved!

^(Saudi Princes, PDiddy, Rupert Murdoch, etc)

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Feathercrown 11 points 21 days ago

Those aren't nerds dipshit, how about you confirm the coordinates before launching the missile

Get google imagesed with the worst quality screencap I can find

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infinitesunrise 10 points 21 days ago

Don't fucking put that shit on nerds. The artist isn't describing nerds, they're describing capitalism and it's adherents. This isn't about nerds. Eg I go through way fewer electronics and gadgetry than the average iPhone idiot specifically because I'm a nerd. My phone is like 7 years old and I'm about to put PostmarketOS on it to try for another 7. I'm painstakingly bootstrapping the firmware on my old Ikea and Hue lights so I never have to buy new ones. I haven't bought a new computer in decades, I just franken-update as needed, not as desired. My car is a 2008 model because I know how awful the electronics are in new models and will do anything to avoid buying a new one.

Fuck this artist. They're is a god damned coward apologist for capitalism and is throwing nerds under the bus to do it.

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magic_smoke 10 points 22 days ago

This ignores the fact we live in a capitalistic hellscape which makes important tech jobs few and far between so they can continue to use us for war, invading privacy, spreading ads, and business software.

If I could take my skillset and walk into an organization that would use it to do good, and would pay a living wage, I'd do it tomorrow.

I can draw pictures, and play, or even make games on my own in bedroom.

I'm not going to solve the fucking energy crisis in my bedroom.

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ThreeCheesesalute 9 points 22 days ago

Shitty nihilism post, ugh. Gotta love people who are jerking themselves off for having an old iphone and a chromebook

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Famko 8 points 22 days ago

It's also just missing the forest for the trees. Blaming the individual instead of the overaching problem of capitalistic consumerism, just so the comic author can feel a sort of superiority over others.

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Comrade_Spood 4 points 22 days ago

I think people are being way too harsh on this comic. Yeah all of us are the kinda nerd to reuse and upcycle old tech and be a positive kind of nerd. Look at the site you are using guys, I think the nerd demographic might be skewed towards a certain kind here. It is also not saying all nerds, it mentions various ways nerds can be healthy and productive so clearly there are positive ways to be a nerd according to the author. And yeah it is focusing on the toxicity of nerd culture, which I think it is right about. There are nerds who are getting the brand new iphone, or the latest graphics card, or that new smarthome device. They are just a very specific but also very publicly facing and famous kind of nerd. For every Salem Techsperts, think of every Linus Tech Tips. Both are nerds, just different kinds of nerds, and unfortunately we are the minority.

If the comic doesnt describe you, then it isnt talking about you. Its talking about a certain kinda nerd. Should it use a more specific label like techbro? Yeah probably, but while thats true, I think we all also need to stop taking it so personally and recognize it aint talking about us. It is simply asking nerds not to be wasteful and to use our hobbies in a positive way. That is not a bad message.

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drosophila 7 points 22 days ago

If the comic doesnt describe you, then it isnt talking about you.

Unless you happen to draw cartoons or try to beat videogames quickly. Then it is talking about you.

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antonim 5 points 22 days ago

I do find the reactions interesting, including the negative. The comics by this author were pretty popular, running from 2007 to 2014, but today they do strike an odd note in some regards (as I already anticipated in my description; perhaps that's why the author nuked her site). Techbro wasn't a term at the time yet, so 'nerd' it was. And I do have the impression nerdiness was more consumerist at the time...

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chamomile 6 points 22 days ago

Yeah while I'm sure there were plenty of nerds rocking old Thinkpads at the time too, I don't think the counterculture of resisting new tech hype was quite at the swell it is now. In 2010 fighting over Android vs iOS and whether the new HTC phone was gonna be an iPhone killer was a pretty big part of "nerd" culture. In some ways I'm not sure that's changed, other than perhaps the type of devices we lust over being different. (The Steam Deck is totally gonna kill Windows guys!)

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AVincentInSpace 4 points 21 days ago

I buy the latest and greatest CPU, but that's because I'm a Rust programmer and rustc is a resource pig. Also I would gladly double my compile times for a 10% improvement in end user performance.

I have the latest and greatest CPU because I know my users don't.

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AcidBurn 3 points 23 days ago
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joulethief 18 points 22 days ago

I might not be the intended target, but it makes me furious that 'nerds' are being accused of this when so many of them (us!) are the ones rocking a decade-old computer and caring for freedom and privacy.

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ryven 5 points 23 days ago

I mean, I'm the guy in the picture, but I'm not offended, I already know I'm terrible.

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explodicle 4 points 22 days ago

People we call "AcidBurn" are the absolute worst.

Don't worry, I'm not talking about you.

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yessikg 1 point 15 days ago

I have met many tech bros who are nerds, a lot of you seem to be in denial

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WraithGear 1 point 21 days ago

you are doing a great job.

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