Trust corporate America to take something as simple as loading a text article into a digital "experience". What the hell even is that? (Its marketing jargon for ads, I know). Talk about a circle jerk around the marketing table though.
volore 71 points 13 days ago
I seriously and unironically believe whatever web developer has the gall, the temerity to imply that a news article in plain fucking text is an "Experience™", and then fuck up loading that plain text, something webpages have been able to do flawlessly since the invention of the web, should be taken out back and shot.
rbb36 57 points 13 days ago
Your disgust is valid. But the developer generally has no gall, and no agency. The corporation tells them to pack and monetize the clickthroughs like feeding puppies into a sausage machine. The developer never thought that would be the job.
In fact, every time you don't see something like this, it's because some developer said, "Enough, I won't do this," putting their job (and their next rent payment) on the line. I lost two jobs that way.
Don't let them divide us. The fascist oligarchs are the villains.
Epzillon 21 points 13 days ago
Web developer here. Theres no say for us in this matter, best-case a tech lead says its not supported by the current tech-stack, but in any other case its management and marketing that decides what features get added to the site, we just build it.
Best we can do to fight back is make the experience terrible for users or even better just unprofitable.
adarza 28 points 13 days ago
i get shit like that frequently because scripts don't run here unless whitelisted. usually either the content requires scripts to show itself, or blocked ads are blocking the rest of the page load, or both.
it's at this point where i scoop-up the headline and drag it over to the ddg search box in the browser toolbar and find a different source. there almost always is.
criss_cross 27 points 13 days ago
Reader mode is a godsend for this crap.
GamingChairModel 10 points 13 days ago
Google's AMP was supposed to stop this, but they never could get around the conflict of interest between "our search engine experience is improved by prioritizing fast loading results" and "our ad business needs websites to carry a ton of ads," ended up carving in enough exceptions and an anti-AMP backlash that they pretty much walked away from the whole thing.
solarspark 8 points 13 days ago
Google? Walking away from a project it starts? Who could have seen this.
Anyways good riddance let's all walk away from Google 👍
ayyy 6 points 13 days ago
AMP could have been that, but the greedy bastards at google had to make it about themselves and tried to forcibly host/steal the content from everyone else. Also it forcibly added a banner ad for google on every AMP page.
GamingChairModel 2 points 12 days ago
AMP was two different things.
- Google defined a standard that was an approved subset of html/css/js designed to load quickly on mobile screens, with none of the extra cruft that slows down sites as experienced by phone users.
- Google also agreed to host AMP-compliant pages on their own ultra-fast servers. Many smaller sites, especially local news stations and local newspapers, agreed to offload the extra work by allowing Google to host their content. Those hosted pages had a whole system of referring back to the canonical URL on the actual outlet's own website (and the desktop version of the page), and had little things referring to the AMP project.
I was 100% on board with #1, but #2 was controversial and created a lot of the conflicts of interest that tore the whole thing apart. Google spun off the AMP project as an open governance model, and then it was taken over by the OpenJS foundation.
In the end, the performance gap between mobile devices and desktops narrowed, and at this point most people's phones and mobile browsers can load pages just as quickly as a laptop, so the purpose of the project itself is less important to the actual web as it exists today.
OctopusNemeses 25 points 13 days ago
The world didn't need as many programmers as we were led to believe. Showing text, images, and video is a solved problem. There doesn't need to be a new framework every 6 months. They don't need to throw out the last one to churn out a rehash of the same website so coders can justify their existence with some metrics of performance designed impress people who barely understand what they're seeing, but nod their head in approval so nobody realizes they're bluffing to hide their tech illiteracy. Everybody in the room is doing the same thing. The nerd with slide decks is grinning ear to ear at the approval. Maybe he starts to believe in the mythology that he might be a unicorn himself. It's exercise in collective delusion. It needs to work because everybody involved is getting crazy rich. So the delusion must go on.
You don't have your plumber come in every year and redo to all the pipes. Each time adding another superfluous section that serves naught but to make work for him. You sure don't let him install a coin operated meter so he gets a cut of your water bill every time you need to flush, and then praise him like he's the second coming of Jesus. He might be Jesus the plumber, but he's no messiah. Maybe next years rework you'll have him install a credit card swipe on your bathroom door.
Nobody is building entire trillion dollar multinational corporations around plumbing. Nobody is holding quarterly plumbers development conferences to announce the latest in pipework technology. In which the whole world streams it and watches in awe as they reveal the all new pipe join. Now for $999 a piece. You can't call your plumber fast enough. Technology is cool but people can't separate the science and engineering from the the trade work. They think the people making increasingly more cumbersome Rube Goldberg machines of code are the ones doing the science and engineering. Quite frankly I'm certain too many programmers think that too.
SupraMario 9 points 13 days ago
You're right, no one is hiring a plumber to redo their entire plumbing in a home...but they are hiring them to fix leaks and unclog drains (patching) that's what most programming is. Patching.
And most patching is fixing leaks (exploits/vulnerabilities) that can destroy your house.
CompactFlax 4 points 13 days ago
A key difference is that engineering standards have grown to the point where we don’t hire a plumber to come multiple times to clear drains and patch leaks. The drains were built large enough and with proper materials to last for years without maintenance. We don’t have people constantly shoring up bridges either.
This is why some people don’t consider software engineering to be engineering.
Too many people justifying their existence by shipping unnecessary and poorly thought out features leads to unreliable, complex software that needs constant maintenance to keep it running.
StabbingSky 2 points 13 days ago
Usually that's on management, not the devs.
SupraMario 1 point 12 days ago
We absolutely make sure bridges are looked after and maintained.
Software patches aren't just because they are being required to put out new features. A lot of it is security patches and bringing aging software to work on the latest kernels and OSs.
I think you're simplifying this a bit to much.
late_pessimistic 2 points 13 days ago
Yep, most of programming done today is reinventing the wheel by grabbing someone's Github project and slapping aggressive monetization on it.
one_old_coder 6 points 13 days ago
I'm calling the cops, he'll enjoy the experience.
MonkderVierte 12 points 13 days ago
Right, the Bild tabloid (resp. Eyeo) that repeatedly failed to sue adblockers for violating the "copyright of their protected work" aka their webpage.
baguettefish 2 points 13 days ago
afaik in china adblockers are illegal because of unfair competition
FartMaster69 12 points 13 days ago
I demand we bring back the little construction worker gif for these scenarios.
southsamurai 11 points 13 days ago
Being fapped at. That is the experience
baggachipz 7 points 13 days ago
The experience is detecting your ad blocker and filling your page with a dickover.
Washedupcynic 7 points 13 days ago
Jokes on them, I go to the source code and extract the article like that. CTRL + F and search the first sentence in the source code. You're welcome.
softwarist 4 points 13 days ago
You might like Bypass Paywalls Clean.
Washedupcynic 3 points 13 days ago
Thanks!
Sonotsugipaa 5 points 13 days ago
The experience here is 25 TB of javascript processed by a Turing-complete Rube Goldberg machine powered by a hamster on a wheel
DrunkAnRoot 4 points 13 days ago
link to article the little bit i see there seems intresting
SubArcticTundra 3 points 13 days ago
There should be a name for that... experiencification? We get that in the UK too – where investors take an ordinary service and try to turn it into an 'experience' to justify charging more. Stuff like mini-golf where you literally just want to pay them to loan the gear and nothing more.
mildlyinfuriating
@lemmy.world
47840
2033
5550
Home to all things "Mildly Infuriating" Not infuriating, not enraging. Mildly Infuriating. All posts should reflect that. Please post actually infuriating posts to !actually_infuriating@lemmy.world
I want my day mildly ruined, not completely ruined. Please remember to refrain from reposting old content. If you post a post from reddit it is good practice to include a link and credit the OP. I'm not about stealing content!
It's just good to get something in this website for casual viewing whilst refreshing original content is added overtime.
Rules:
1. Be Respectful
Refrain from using harmful language pertaining to a protected characteristic: e.g. race, gender, sexuality, disability or religion.
Refrain from being argumentative when responding or commenting to posts/replies. Personal attacks are not welcome here.
...
2. No Illegal Content
Content that violates the law. Any post/comment found to be in breach of common law will be removed and given to the authorities if required.
That means: -No promoting violence/threats against any individuals
-No CSA content or Revenge Porn
-No sharing private/personal information (Doxxing)
...
3. No Spam
Posting the same post, no matter the intent is against the rules.
-If you have posted content, please refrain from re-posting said content within this community.
-Do not spam posts with intent to harass, annoy, bully, advertise, scam or harm this community.
-No posting Scams/Advertisements/Phishing Links/IP Grabbers
-No Bots, Bots will be banned from the community.
...
4. No Porn/Explicit
Content
-Do not post explicit content. Lemmy.World is not the instance for NSFW content.
-Do not post Gore or Shock Content.
...
5. No Enciting Harassment,
Brigading, Doxxing or Witch Hunts
-Do not Brigade other Communities
-No calls to action against other communities/users within Lemmy or outside of Lemmy.
-No Witch Hunts against users/communities.
-No content that harasses members within or outside of the community.
...
6. NSFW should be behind NSFW tags.
-Content that is NSFW should be behind NSFW tags.
-Content that might be distressing should be kept behind NSFW tags.
...
7. Content should match the theme of this community.
-Content should be Mildly infuriating. If your post better fits !Actually_Infuriating put it there.
-The Community !actuallyinfuriating has been born so that's where you should post the big stuff.
...
8. Reposting of Reddit content is permitted, but attribution is not required in any way. No links to Reddit in post body
-If you would like to provide a source link, do so in the comments but not in the post body.
...
...
Also check out:
Partnered Communities:
Reach out to LillianVS for inclusion on the sidebar.
All communities included on the sidebar are to be made in compliance with the instance rules.
go to feed...
mildlyinfuriating
@lemmy.world
47840
2033
5550
Home to all things "Mildly Infuriating" Not infuriating, not enraging. Mildly Infuriating. All posts should reflect that. Please post actually infuriating posts to !actually_infuriating@lemmy.world
I want my day mildly ruined, not completely ruined. Please remember to refrain from reposting old content. If you post a post from reddit it is good practice to include a link and credit the OP. I'm not about stealing content!
It's just good to get something in this website for casual viewing whilst refreshing original content is added overtime.
Rules:
1. Be Respectful
Refrain from using harmful language pertaining to a protected characteristic: e.g. race, gender, sexuality, disability or religion.
Refrain from being argumentative when responding or commenting to posts/replies. Personal attacks are not welcome here.
...
2. No Illegal Content
Content that violates the law. Any post/comment found to be in breach of common law will be removed and given to the authorities if required.
That means: -No promoting violence/threats against any individuals
-No CSA content or Revenge Porn
-No sharing private/personal information (Doxxing)
...
3. No Spam
Posting the same post, no matter the intent is against the rules.
-If you have posted content, please refrain from re-posting said content within this community.
-Do not spam posts with intent to harass, annoy, bully, advertise, scam or harm this community.
-No posting Scams/Advertisements/Phishing Links/IP Grabbers
-No Bots, Bots will be banned from the community.
...
4. No Porn/Explicit
Content
-Do not post explicit content. Lemmy.World is not the instance for NSFW content.
-Do not post Gore or Shock Content.
...
5. No Enciting Harassment,
Brigading, Doxxing or Witch Hunts
-Do not Brigade other Communities
-No calls to action against other communities/users within Lemmy or outside of Lemmy.
-No Witch Hunts against users/communities.
-No content that harasses members within or outside of the community.
...
6. NSFW should be behind NSFW tags.
-Content that is NSFW should be behind NSFW tags.
-Content that might be distressing should be kept behind NSFW tags.
...
7. Content should match the theme of this community.
-Content should be Mildly infuriating. If your post better fits !Actually_Infuriating put it there.
-The Community !actuallyinfuriating has been born so that's where you should post the big stuff.
...
8. Reposting of Reddit content is permitted, but attribution is not required in any way. No links to Reddit in post body
-If you would like to provide a source link, do so in the comments but not in the post body.
...
...
Also check out:
Partnered Communities:
Reach out to LillianVS for inclusion on the sidebar.
All communities included on the sidebar are to be made in compliance with the instance rules.
go to feed...
You're experiencing late stage capitalism. Thank an oligarch today!!
save