Yep, they have the opportunity to build bridges, but they choose to build walls and gatekeep.

I recognized them immediately.

And unfortunately part of that working class are class traitors who vote against the rest of our interests as they pull the ladder up behind them.

Two words: reverse mortgage.

My parents unironically asked for input about this exact plan. I asked if they actually wanted to disown their children, or if they were just stupid.

The gerontology group!

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor

Lyrics from War Pigs, Black Sabbath (1970)

As a millennial I find it a little funny whenever someone says that type of stuff about Gen Z, because they used to say that about us. I hate to tell you but the people that get into power are almost always the shit heads. It's not a generational thing. It's a wealth and privilege thing. The future Gen Z leaders will be the same entitled out-of-touch shitheads that they always are.

Boomers own 52% of the country, they ARE the class struggle. Over 55s together over 70%. I don't think anyone in gen Z is operating under the assumption they could ever retire anyway? They're not pumping out enough babies to fund their retirement. Neither are us millennials.

One, you can punish the boomers. When Z gets in power, abolish pensions, Social Security, and Medicare. Let the old die from poverty and disease. And then you yourself won’t have any safety net when you’re that age.

Gen Z doesn't need to be in power for this. The actual boomers are doing this on their way out.

The one that will do the most good is holding guilty parties accountable, instead of presenting a non sequitir strawman.

People rightly hate boomers as a group because they are largely entitled spoiled brats who call everyone else entitled spoiled brats.

They are largely the living embodiment of moral hazard who deem themselves inherently correct and reasonable while being obviously short sighted hypocrites, who have indeed caused their children massive sanity/psychic damage to the point that its now a widespread practice for kids to cut off all contact with their boomer parents. They are the 'fuck you, I got mine' generation. They are the weak men who create hard times, while thinking themselves to be the strong men who create good times.

WASP Boomers are also the group that is actually most responsible for driving up housing prices and destroying the economy and society in that way. They consistently voted for NIMBY construction and tax policies. Most second+ homes are owned by Boomer 'Mom and Pop' landlords, not actually private equity firms. Yes the Boomers did create the political environment that gave rise to PE RE firms by voting to effrctively disenfranchise non WASP non Boomers, as well as destroy traditional pensions and replace them with 401ks, but they also are the most likely group to personally own a few other homes or have house flipped a number of times.

Yes, we should have actual policy responses that specifically target these and other specific anti social economic practices and tax them into non viability, but we can't, at least not at a national level, because of the dysfunctional government voted for, for decades, by Boomers.

The current crop of billionaires are the inevitable result of the Boomer mindset codified into formal societal rules. Yes we should specifically tax billionaires out of existence, but we also need to dismantle the systems that allow for billionaires to arise in the first place.

Presenting a dichotomy of 'kill all boomers and abolish social safety nets' vs 'tax billionaires and do class struggle' is a laughable misdirect.

What would actually do more good is a combination of in depth and honest economic and tax policy reform, wealth taxes and such, accompanied by acknowledging the fact that many Boomers have been abusive hypocritical sociopathic narcissists in every dimension of their lives and have caused considerable direct harm to people personally.

The zeitgeist of Boomer hate is never going to end until Boomers collectively take accountability for the harm they've caused, economic and psychological.

The Boomers do not get to spend their whole lives playing at being rugged individualists while actually consistently rigging the system for their own preferential treatment, and then when that largely fails them because they got out sharked by better sharks, then get to play the "we're all in this together guys" card.

No. We'd be idiots to trust Boomers not to continue to act selfishly while disguising their self serving greed behind a different rhetorical justification. All the Boomers have ever collectively shown themselves to be is arrogant selfish lying assholes who will betray you when its benefits them personally, and then belittle you for not seeing that coming.

I'll believe a Boomer is serious about class struggle when they actively advocate for something like exponentially increasing marginal property tax rates on home values, for personal or business ownership... when they commit to actually mandating their own outsized wealth be redistributed to those with less.

Instead what we see in the most Boomer over represented areas is ... total repeal of property taxes.

• Send Trump and cronies to the Hague for war crimes.
• Expell Israeli ambassador and diplomatic personnel.
• Disband AIPAC; try citizens on their board for treason.
• Keep all the social safety nets, and fund it by eviscerating billionaires with wealth taxes.
• Break up and nationalize big-tech like Theodore Roosevelt, a (gasp) Republican.
• Introduce age ceilings and term limits for every elected office in the United States.
• Mandate rank-choiced voting, undo all gerry-mandering.
• Release Epstein files.

Watch boomers mald and rejoice in schädenfreude.

One, you can punish the boomers. When Z gets in power, abolish pensions, Social Security, and Medicare. Let the old die from poverty and disease.

I mean we can place warranted blame on them without murdering them.

I can simultaneously fight the class war while calling out asshole class traitors who are pulling the ladder up behind them. It's not like they're going to join forces with us. They've made it abundantly clear they're planning on fucking us over all the way to the grave.

Until class traitors (boomers) spend decades voting against your future interests.

The class war is the priority, but it's ok to be mad at assholes pulling up the ladder behind them.

Two things can be true at once

Yea, there was that Power to the People concert in my county this weekend. All the acts and seemingly most of the concert-goes were 40+. Same as the No Kings protest crowds.

I think this isn't because boomers are the only ones who care about politics, but more because boomers are more likely to be retired now and have free time to do this stuff. I agree that generational warfare is stupid

I'm too busy working my 12 hour shift to afford the small house I got luckily 9 years ago...

Sidenote about local democrats--- they're disgusting. A loop up only propping up their favorite candidates, using their influence to push around elections despite being a limited amount of people many with bad takes, and intentionally they have their candidates run with hidden views so that they win on popularity alone.

Like, still do it though because there's really only upsides to influencing them, but just ugh.

The older I get and the more I understand that boomers had literally it the easiest out of any one in history the more salty I get over them calling millennials & gen Z lazy all those years.

All you stupid oldies had to do was put like 2% of your paycheck into any index over your career and you would be rich AF right now. Which, is exactly why so many boomers are fucking loaded right now and old a historically disproportionate amount of wealth for the generation.

Please tell me what you are doing for the generation behind you.

The Venn diagram is a circle

That was a pretty common evolution they went through. My mom was a free love hippie that is now basically a Nazi. She can't understand why I cut her out of my life.

Well, there's the president for one

Yeah, nah. None of us have houses and most are in the same position I'm in: I will have to work until I die. There's no retirement in my future. If anything I'll just be moving further left as I get older.

A big part of the reason that boomers are so awful is that they own all the houses and made sure their pet politicians made the value keep going up over time by limiting the amount of housing being built.

Our circumstances are so drastically different from the boomers that there's just no way we're going to be just like them. I do agree that we have to be mindful of the warnings you're mentioning, but I don't think it's even possible to follow in their footsteps. They did a thorough job pulling the ladder up.

That is exactly the same gripe i have with most of my GenX brethren - for a generation that was defined by punk and revolt, a surprisingly large amount of them ditched the things their generation stood for to make sure they have a good place in the rat race. I know that many did not have a lot of choices because the boomers clinge to the levers of power to this day, but to take part in their system that so many of us despised is akin to being a traitor.

And especially in the US the younger generations are more than willing to carry on the torch, radicalized by their civic religion and evangelism. Other countries are not immune, but they generally have a better understanding that what the US are doing is problematic.

I still blame the boomers. Their greed and powerlust have fucked up the planet and is still fucking up societies.

this is so optimistic we will be dead

I mean I get what you're saying. Economic desperation could drive us to being greedy ladder puller uppers just like the boomers.

I don't know. Maybe. I know that I'm in my 40s and only becoming more liberal and more likely to vote to help others. And that kind of voting mentality could lead to stripping power from the ultra wealthy and clawing back some power for the middle class.

I'm not getting the impression that millennials and younger are going to be greedy on the epic scale boomers have been.

I don’t see any reason why we’re not gonna end up in the same boat as the Boomers when we grow old.

There's a variety of very well documented reasons.

I can't be bothered enumerating everything you're ignoring to make that statement but very briefly, the next 50 years will not be as prosperous as the last 50 years as Milennials and Gen X clean up the mess left by boomers.

My Silent Gen parents packed the entirety of their priceless antiquarian book collection, and spent a bundle sending it to their book dealer friends in the UK. All to keep their "ungrateful children" from getting it.

So, I totally understand the mindset you're coming from. But if they built their fortune through years of labor, are they not entitled to spend or give it as they see fit?

But was made as a joke, not just out of touch boomers.

Correct, its the elites that have an upper hand here.

Boomers own 52% of the country. Over 55s own about 73%. They ARE the ownership class. Billionaires are a minority of that class both by numbers and by assets. And most of the billionaires themselves are old fucks.

6 or 7 pairs? Look at Mr Moneybags over here.

you make it sound like a failure of the generations, and not a heavily targeted campaign that was started before the millennials were born specifically to stop them.

I have hope this time things are different. It's hard to deny reality when it's this ridiculous.

Replace dumb with desperate and you got it right, despite Hegseth, despite the elective war without goals or strategy, despite the conditions on the Lincoln, all branches of the US armed forces are making their recruitment quotas, where before, recruitment was beset by the obesity crisis and an epidemic of bullying, abuse and SA of the enlisted.

And FOX News has been calling for the draft and escalation specifically to thin the ranks of zoomers and alphas.

Don't count on the draft not coming back. They're already trying to push enlistment age up.

blowing up the world's energy infrastructure is an American problem.

How much do you trust European countries to be better?

My boomer mom from Germany would do the same

sounds like you might have some oil to liberate you European cuck.

My parents didn't even make it out of their 50s. That's the reality of class war.

Our elders fucked everyone over now for the following 3.5 generations, setting our world onto a course that is nearly impossible to reverse, and all for their own comfort and enjoyment. They can go die in a fire for all i care.

But it IS mainly the boomers that are still in charge, denying the younger generations access to power and to the places where change can really happen. There are some GenX and Millenial Traitors mixed in, but the impulse for these events comes from the boomers.

"Hey guys, stop using a discussion forum to discuss a group of people who are provably responsible for many of your woes."

The right hate the wrong people. That's it.