What’s funny is this was all predictable. We had the same problem when we started with photography in general. It worked well on white people but made every black person a featureless black void.

Turns out we test these things mainly on white men then call it a success when it works exclusively for us white men.

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Hudell 11 points 3 days ago

Over a decade ago I was hired as a third party to a third party to a company that was hired by some confidential customer we would never get the identity of. There was some biometric stuff involved on the project, to which we had to import some devices - but they got stuck on customs for a while simply because it had bio in the name. We tried to make do with what we could and were pretty confident when we tested with the real device on the last day before a supposed presentation we also knew nothing about.

Next day we get the news: it went terrible. And we got a feedback: "it failed to identify most kids on the school". That's fair, we never even considered testing it with kids.

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thermal_shock 4 points 2 days ago

Remember when Veridian installed motion sensors on everything and they couldn't see black people? Lem Hewitt remembers.

God I miss that show.

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FishFace 2 points 2 days ago

Uh? There has never been a time when it was not practical to photograph black people, since photography first became practical. Some autoexposure algorithms are shit at black people (for the reason you give), but that came long after its inception and doesnt actually prevent taking a good picture.

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Aeao 2 points 2 days ago

The early days cameras were less sensitive to red light needed for darker skin tones. Some of this could be overcome with lighting that wasn’t readily available.

It possible to do it sure, you could make a picture that was close to the clarity of lighter skin tone. If you have to put in a lot of extra effort and time (that often wasn’t done at all) to take the same picture you could of a white person, I’d say that means the film doesn’t work well with black people. It clearly wasn’t particle because people rarely put in the effort to properly light them.

Why argue with something we have facts about? I didn’t make this up in a shower. I read it in articles written by professionals.

To give an example. I don’t drive a Ferrari . With a new engine and modifications I could make it as fast as a Ferrari . Or I could slash the tires of the Ferrari. However I can’t go around saying “my car is as fast as a Ferrari because if I put the effort in it would be as fast”

I didn’t, and it isn’t.

If you have to put a lot of extra work into something to make it equal, then it isn’t equal.

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FishFace 2 points 2 days ago

The early cameras were insensitive to all colours. That's why you had to stand still for a long time to have your picture taken. I don't know what specific process you're talking about that is insensitive to red light specifically, nor why that would be problem for dark skin specifically, when both Caucasian and African skin types tend to reflect more red than other colours of light, making it a matter of exposure, not colour.

Happy to be shown wrong.

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Aeao 3 points 2 days ago

Silver iodide plates don’t respond to red light. They respond better to blue and violet. That alone doesn’t cause the problem but it’s part of it. I can’t remember where I read that tho

Without special lighting black people became a dark void. You could photograph them with special lighting and different techniques but that mostly wasn’t done.

So I think it’s fair to say it didn’t work well for darker skin tones because in order to get a picture with similar quality you had to work a lot harder.

I do agree in the later days it was more a specific caused by racism but from the beginning it was more difficult to photograph darker skin tones and no one really cared because of racism. I wasn’t caused by the racism tho. It was caused by the technology at that time… that no one cared enough to fix it.

That mentality carried on until I believe the Kodachrome made all the world a sunny day. I’m not an expert tho.

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Aeao 2 points 2 days ago

Here’s a quick picture with a squirming white child (moving) and a still black woman. You can still make out more features in the white child. I’m assuming as well this was done by a professional who did his best to make both people clear.

Maybe it’s just my eyesight tho.

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panda_abyss 15 points 3 days ago

I don’t get it, this is just a picture of Obama.

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wheezy 8 points 3 days ago

I definitely understand your confusion; this is a common mistaken identity. This African American male is quite similar looking to former US president Barack Obama who served as president from 2008-2016.

However, it is a common misconception and you should not feel bad for making this mistake. The subject in the original image is actually Denzel Washington, the actor, know for famous and beloved movies, included but not limited to Training Day, Moonlight, Get Out, Black Panther, and of course his most famous and most iconic film Ms. Doubtfire — where he plays a divorced father that is desperate to see his children after losing full custody. In this role, Denzel Washington, disguises himself as crossdresser and comedian Robin Williams. As Robin, he takes on a job as his children's housekeeper and Nanny and gets cream pied in the face.

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soupcon 9 points 3 days ago

hang on a minute, there's spaces around your em-dash! An AI didn't write this at all, this is fake AI! I call Shenanigans!

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panda_abyss 3 points 3 days ago

I’m so embarrassed, thank you!

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StabbingSky 14 points 3 days ago

It has to start somewhere

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roofuskit 25 points 3 days ago

Capitalism usually starts with racism. So we're on track.

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rumschlumpel 13 points 3 days ago

I'm not convinced that these are mutually exclusive. Fascists certainly seem happy to use this AI to fuck everything up, and for them it's not that important whether they victimize the right people, since most of their victims are just scapegoats anyway.

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nightofmichelinstars 3 points 3 days ago

Right I see no contradiction here. Moving along as planned

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SamuraiBeandog 2 points 3 days ago

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

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Flower 2 points 3 days ago

It's just a high tech sock puppet

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locuester 1 point 3 days ago

Yoooo I’m not fascist or fucking everything up. I’m just writing software with it k?

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rumschlumpel 3 points 3 days ago

You're enabling them and wasting power and water, unless you're using models that are trained fully locally.

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locuester -1 points 3 days ago

There’s a group of people that trained magic text extenders using all content generated by humans (me included), and you can download versions of it and use it privately at home.

It allows you to do things faster and more efficient creating further abundance and time for entertainment. I’m not wasting a lick of water or power. I live at the foot of a hydro dam. I’d argue the dam is actually the biggest environmental problem in the mix here.

Yeah, giant datacenters are popping up and there’s problems in the world. The humans want lots of electricity. We can direct that in a particular direction but I don’t think it’s right to simply deny people electricity. That’s a bit off topic.

But to deny the existence of an infinitely helpful technology for software development, when it’s free for me to use, seems fruitless and petty. It’s like getting pissed at a kid launching model rockets because you’re against daily sky polluting trillionaire rocket launches.

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kindnesskills 3 points 2 days ago

They were talking about fascist. You're the one who took it personally.

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heartSagan5 11 points 3 days ago

This reminds me when Kinect and Playstation's version of Kinect, I don't know. It'd work fine, but then, a black man or woman would try it, and the game system would be a pile of dookie.

As another commenter points out, the testers were probably mostly white, and they deemed it a success, ignoring members of our society.

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fizzbang 9 points 3 days ago

OBAM-NA

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dylanTheDeveloper 1 point 2 days ago

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001 8 points 3 days ago

Obama self

Don't wanna be Obama self

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inclementimmigrant 7 points 3 days ago

Yeah, there's been quite a few studies on the racial bias inherently built into AI models.

Some of the more concerning ones in my opinion are the racial bias in healthcare AI use.

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Imgonnatrythis 6 points 3 days ago

Haven't seen him in awhile, but looks like he's been working out!

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dylanTheDeveloper 6 points 2 days ago

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dreadbeef 5 points 3 days ago

Not hotdog

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xistera 4 points 2 days ago

Isn't AI getting shit wrong just another way for it to kill us, though?

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fuckemiquit 4 points 3 days ago

Ironically, the original message "AI is going to take over the world and kill us" is still accurate, except we'll give it the keys on purpose or accident with the AI being... this.

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k0e3 3 points 2 days ago

That's clearly Kevin Hart

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thermal_shock 1 point 2 days ago

Michael Clark Duncan

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ILikeBoobies 2 points 3 days ago

No first name.