YSK how we can bring more users to Lemmy
3 years ago by Draupnir to c/youshouldknow
So this Lemmy place is pretty awesome, and I see it growing by the hour! Just like others link external sites for content here, we should really also share Lemmy content to external (e.g. Reddit, Twitter, etc.) to show others where the users are going now.
Redditors will talk about Lemmy and moving communities here, but it is really best shown that the communities are rebuilding here. Thoughts? I’ve started with a few memes and am starting a new community here as well!
Using a browser, navigate to the following URL: www.google.com
In the search bar, type the query you would like to make and hit ENTER
Then you're done!
You forgot the step where you have to scrolls to at least 2 pages of ads disguised as results
Step 0: install an Adblock like UBlock Origin on your browser.
Thanks!
D: demonstrate interest in a topic by communicating it clearly around your phone.
E: engage with ads in the same vien as the question you're looking for.
N: NEVER use an AdBlock. This throws off the algorithm as it can't track how long you take before scrolling past an ad.
N: News. what news do you engage with? Contrary to expected behavior, google actually spends more resources trying to sway dissent from their opinion more than it rewards its supporters! Talk about breaking up monopolies, talk about tax havens, or even bing.
I: Invest wisely. Have money in the bank. They'll know. The more money you have the bigger fish you are in the pond. The more they'll target you.
S: Search. Go to google.com, they have a bar you can type in. Put in your question, hit search, and if you follow these steps, you'll get what you were looking for.
Everyone misunderstood his question.
He didn't ask how one searches IN Google. He asked how do they search Google, the entity. He clearly means to ransack the HQ in California.
Yes it will because I used to search questions and add reddit on the end
Something that will also help is users sharing knowledge through posts and comments and communities with knowledgeable people migrating here along with subreddits that contain a lot of knowledge because I also loved te community knowledge aspect of reddit and that will bring people as well
I kind of agree, but it needs to be done in a nice way like if you have already written an answer on lemmy to a question which also shows up on reddit then post a link to it instead of copy and pasting it there.
This is the way. I think of it as offering breadcrumbs to those on other platforms. Since the posts are freely viewable without signing up, it's no different than a news or web link.
You can also turn this around. If you are still monitoring reddit, consider making a post in the appropriate sub answering the question (assuming it's a generic-ish request) and then link back to it in the community here.
I don't think there should be a big push until more polished apps come out that make the whole process as dead simple as possible. No need to know what instances are. Right now this is how imagine the average person would react after trying it out.
Oh my god, lmao. Yes. How is there even a video so perfect for this situation. I joined kbin instead because having a website demand I pick an instance in order to even sign up when I barely understood what that meant or how they worked was quite genuinely making me panic, and taking my time with it was not helping like it was supposed to.
It's so normal to me now that I almost forget until I have to explain any part of it to someone. "Oh, don't worry about joining this one over that one, you're technically joining every site and also twitter and instagram. That button? It's the reblog button. It functions as an upvote but some people don't have it. Other people don't have a downvote, but it might still be visible on your screen anyway. If there's a site you hate, you can mute the whole thing, or maybe you can't. If there's a site you love, your admin might disappear them and you'll need a second account to see it again. Have fun!"
Horrible. Why do I love it.
It's never a good idea explaining the whole idea to someone right at the start unless they ask.
I've always just directed people straight to a big instance with lots of home communities, like lemmy.world or kbin.social. After they jump in and have questions, that's the right time to talk about instances, not before.
Exactly. The more shit you throw into someone’s face, the more confused they will be. Give ‘em enough of a taste that they can see the positives, and let ‘em slowly work through the quirks as they find ‘em.
Besides, I personally think having a bit of a ‘filter’ is good anyway; the scroll zombies at Reddit who’re siding with the admins sorta make me worry about this place getting too big.
There's even a scene talking about decentralized internet which is so perfect for this attempted push to the fediverse too.
Myself, I had no problem with picking and instance. But the one I mostly randomly picked had approvals turned on. Once I realized I wasn't gonna get to use my account immediately, I abandoned it.
It's utterly critical that manual approval is not part of the sign up. I tried another site, but many users won't. Nor will they necessarily come back when their account gets approved in a week (that's how long mine took).
Honestly shocked you were willing to wait that long. I guess if I saw the notification, I would, but my email is mostly a place to store spam. If it's not there in three days tops, I stop checking. That is a solid issue, and it's not like any instance has the manpower atm to delegate approvals to a person/team as a full-time job (which it absolutely would be).
I have to admit, seeing the influx of bots on some lemmy instances makes me nervous about Ernest keeping ours open. It's really the best defense right now and despite the comparable lack of content I've been breathing pretty easy not having seen one single bot in two weeks now.
No astroturfing yet. No vote manipulation. That "vaccines cause autism" bot poster I used to see all the time is still on reddit. I think I've seen someone being a shithead twice. Any reposts are people crossposting to other instances or just trying to transfer content here.
But the only way to keep it this way for good is not the kind of culture the internet currently has. Checking everyone's ID at the door would mostly solve the bot issue that made reddit an untrustworthy, insufferable plague, but in practice it'll make people look elsewhere. They haven't been raised to wait.
Having some open instances for the noobs and some walled gardens for anyone sick of it may be the best we can do. Unfortunately, they would have to be very walled, basically only federating with each other. Their necessary pushback would make them seem like snobby elites to non-members and like very tantilzing targets for ad companies to worm into or destroy.
I didn't wait that long. I immediately tried kbin and it worked. A week later I did see the email though. I actually thought they had rejected me prior to that (I only did a short one line response to the lengthy question that was asked during sign up, as I wasn't sure if it was just to filter out bots or what).
The video is from a TV series which is a bit cringe but quite close to reality of IT startups called Silicon Valley https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2575988/ it's a comedy.
Kbin is often treated as a single site, but there are instances here too!
https://fedia.io/
https://readit.buzz/
https://karab.in
and others.
You can also create you own, just as with Lemmy, so the two are really "the same" in that way.
Sending people to the largest servers is how you bog down the largest servers.
There has to be a better way than just stuffing everyone onto the same 2 websites. Not only does that create huge loads and increase syncing times, it recreates the same issue that led to everyone coming here: Power over the whole thing in the hands of just a couple of people.
The network becomes more resilient the more spread out we are, not the more concentrated.
Plus, if people find the idea of multiple websites existing to be confusing, maybe they shouldn't use the internet?
I think everyone needs to wait and see what kind of migration happens after July 1st. Seems like these places are better suited for slow growth from my observation.
We've got a good "seed community". We need to move on from "anti-Reddit" and towards "Lemmy-community building". This is a hard step forward.
We don't know what each other's interests are, we don't know how many #RedditBlackout communities existed (I mean, we have some ideas. "mtgzone.com" and "programming.dev")... but we don't know if we can create say... an Advance Wars community (Nintendo Game), or if we need to stick to just Nintendo as our topic.
I think keeping to !Newcommunities, and trying to organize ourselves into our different branches of knowledge / discussion is the near term goal. What DO we have as a community? Clearly we're all willing to leave Reddit (and some of us here were willing to leave Reddit last year, long before #RedditBlackout), but for long-term sustainability, we need to get deeper connections than that.
Ideally, we can grow some of these communities to be the best place on the internet for that subject. For example, /r/Factorio was one of the premier places to study Factorio strategies (Video game). But Reddit wasn't the best at say, AVR (AVRFreaks was a better site for that). That's fine, having a 2nd tier or lesser site is still useful for an overall hangout spot that's more casual.
I think Lemmy has a lot of opportunity in community building because of its Reddit-like structure (more similar than Mastodon was to Twitter). With some custom GUIs, we can build new video game communities with custom GUIs (ex: Chess .pgn viewers: https://github.com/mliebelt/PgnViewerJS) to further discussions in ways impossible to the original Reddit (more akin to PhpBB), but still with the advantages of single-sign-on / federation to join up a bunch of other communities.
That's the direction we should be going, IMO anyway.
Yea we need to all start engaging content we like as if it was reddit. There will probably be another influx of new people come July. As such we need their first impression to be that lemmy has an actual community beyond being burned by reddit.
Lemmy already has a few apps for Android like Jerboa,Connect for Lemmy,and Liftoff. IOS has mlem and probably a few more. They're not yet as good as reddit TPAs but they're there and being actively developed.
I think it's kbin that needs an app rn as it's growing rapidly and the only app i know for it (Artemis) is still in alpha.
Apollo for Lemmy or kbin, made by the same dev, would be absolutely wonderful. Unfortunately, I think he’s given up on social media apps entirely.
That sucks. I'm not on IOS but apl the feedback I heard from people is that Apollo is a great app.
It was fantastic, and the only reason I was able to continue using Reddit.
Memmy for iOS feels a lot like Apollo so far and it’s getting at least 2-3 updates per day. It’s still in beta so you need to get it via TestFlight, but once it’s downloaded it feels just like any other app. To me, it has far outpaced Mlem even after just 23 days since its first beta release. Here’s the link once you’ve downloaded TestFlight: https://github.com/gkasdorf/memmy
Artemis is another one that’s in development and heavily influenced by Apollo (hence the name). I don’t think it’s available yet in beta but the preview images from a few days ago look promising.
This Beehaw post of useful links seems to maintain a list of apps and their development stages: https://beehaw.org/post/683217
The developer is an absolute beast. Homie has been pushing 2 to 5 major features releases a day.
Folks at memmy@lemmy.ml are actually starting to get concerned and are telling him to take a break 😆
It's debatable whether a lot of these smaller communities really provided much value outside the tiny userbase they have.
Besides, if someone wants to pick up the mantle on Lenny they are more than welcome to as well.
I don't follow what you're saying. I love the shit out of many of my smaller communities. Reading TV subs after a new episode dropped was my favourite (and required a lot of active people). I wanted to discuss the Horizon DLC when I beat it the other day, but the Horizon sub here is super tiny. I tried to post on a generic gaming sub instead and did not get the discussion I wanted.
Similarly, Pokemon Go subs on Reddit were super detailed places to discuss the game, including with detailed analysis of any change, data mining for upcoming stuff, etc. Here, there's two subs that have just the sub creator trying to populate the sub. No actual discussion.
It sucks and I miss those kinda communities.
What I'm saying is that while tiny communities are great, the fact that they haven't moved to a federated platform yet doesn't really matter. Anybody, including yourself, can start up those communities on the Fediverse and curate them if there is enough of a reason to do so or just continue to engage them on Reddit too.
I dunno if "organic" is enough, but I don't think the fediverse could handle the entire Reddit use base today. I'm also not certain it will ever be as normy-friendly as Reddit has been. For better or worse.
One of the few small communities I’ll be sad to lose is HyruleEngineering. Can’t believe Reddit decided to shit the bed right when I found it.
Someone recreated that community here!
My phone is interpreting this as an email link so I literally can't open it
lemmy.world/c/hyruleengineering hyruleengineering@lemmy.world
Edit: don't click the second link, it will crash jerboa
For what it’s worth, they also have an active discord server
Lol. I get that. I’ve felt the same way but I’m trying to find a good place for communities and that was one venue I was playing around with.
Pretty much. It's fucking wierd.
It has threads, but no-one uses them.
Wait, seriously?
You can be the change you want to see in the world. if you search the communities and can't find the one you're looking for, make it.
Thanks, I believe you are right. https://lemmy.world/c/metalvinyl - one done
What I'm missing are the fintech/trading subs that were pretty active. Not just meme-tier junkfood like wallstreetbets, but actual strategy/implementation stuff like ThetaGang and AlgoTrading.
The thing is, I haven't found that stuff on Mastodon either. AFAICT the Fediverse at large leaning hard leftist/progressive means there's a cultural bias against finance-adjacent topics. Bolstering this, I've encountered on various Discord servers that traders tend to be pretty largely right-wing, which has consistently put me in direct conflict with them.
Just sell it as a way to increase productivity.
Could you please add a "Why YSK:"? It's rule #2. :)
From the announcement post:
Captchas are not available in this version, as they need to be reimplemented in a different way. They will be back in 0.18.1, so wait with upgrading if you rely on them.
Which instances are doing that?
Also, why would it matter? Lemmy is absolutely going to end up with some domains that are mostly hosting and some domains that are mostly reading / commenting. I don’t see why that’s bad as long as the infrastructure for the hosts can handle it.
On Android, link people to Sync for Lemmy, and Jerboa which is quite similar to RIF.
And Memmy for Lemmy heavily inspired by Apollo on iOS.
People mad about apps will move; they can't if they don't know where those apps are going.
Best marketing is the perfect use case that didn't exist in people's lives beforehand. The Reddit threads with nurses helping elderly people do AMAs were extremely endearing.
Young kids being able to shitpost nonsensically was also cool.
Make something original happen and it draws in people that recognise something new. Otherwise it's all cats and homies doing narrative subscription.
Do the google spiders know about lemmy?
I posted this on my Reddit page.
So far it's brought no one in. I noticed that some communities you can add immediately and some say pending. Is there a setting for this? Either interest is very low, or I have it sent for pending.
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Yesterday I searched a question and for the first time google linked a Lemmy thread with the answer.
Asking and solving questions will bring users.
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