If you're feeling left out it's probably because you defend billionaires who would mince you into fertilizer
3 years ago by Custoslibera to c/memes
I’d recommend posting a tangentially political meme at some point on Lemmy.
The amount of people who will come out of the woodwork to tell you ‘don’t post this’ and ‘don’t make things political’ will really be eye opening.
People don’t want to address systemic issues and think not talking about them is a viable solution.
Just making comments about rich people and their taxes seems to do the same thing here.
Don't even have to go THAT far, I get called a commie for saying a 40 hour work week should provide basic shelter these days. 🤷
If we want to live in boring reality, it doesn't happen a LOT but way more than it should.
I mean that was and is a basic communist agitating point, you might be closer to a communist than you think.
We do want adress systematic issues, just in the right communities. When i visis memes i wanna see funny memes. In dankmemes i wanna see dank memes. In NCD i wanna see non credible military stuff.
That's the issue
Yeah, because we don't particularly fancy being lectured by teenagers on the Internet.
How is a meme a lecture?
It's not, this just isn't a meme
As a Marxist Leninist myself I don’t understand the communists that defend russias part in the Russian—Ukrainian war. Russia hasn’t even been communist since 1989. Youre defending capitalist imperialism.
Weird how much better I feel after ditching the corporate click driven socials. There are cool people to talk to, and I'm very rarely the most reasonable or the most lefty one in any given thread. I always feel like when I am, I'm in the wrong place.
These capitalist and billionaire cocksuckers sure love socialism when they socialise their losses and fucking take our tax payer money to bail themselves out. if you're working class and don't support socialism, you should look into it more. Propaganda from these blood sucking billionaire ghouls have made most of us blind to the better life socialism can offer us.
That isnt socialism, thats the capitalist state doing its job of protecting capital. Socialism is when the proletariat own the means of production.
Yes i agree. Just pointing out the fact there's no free market. When they lose, they still win by taking our hard earned money and using it to further their interests. I'd be happier if it were used for our welfare instead.
Id argue that the free market incentivizes the capture of politicians but I think we are on the same side here.
You think you are arguing with the people accepting handouts on lemmy?
Everyone time something controversial is posted, damn I missed out on all the discussion because Blahaj.zone defederated all these capitalist losers so I can just think about being trans and cracking jokes.
Honestly if this meme passes for controversial then the world has gotten a whole lot more lame.
I wouldn't call it controversial outside of fediverse. It's dumb tankie takes. In any other sampled population with significant size their opinions would be considered extreme and buried.
And let me be clear, I like socialist programs. But these people are truthers for the left.
Or bootlickers, don’t forget them!
A large proportion of Lemmy are not pro-capitalist, yes.
Thats still very much generalizing. What this meme essentially says is that if you're a capitalist, you're not part of Lemmy.
On a seperate note, you cant possibly know how many people on Lemmy actually support capitalism or not. It has a left tendency, yes, but I bet the majority of Lemmx users do support caputalidm in some shape or form.
No, it is saying that if you are capitalist, you will get pushed into a corner by downvotes and can't enjoy the discussion as much as everyone else.
As is clearly shown with this comment.
If you actually read the posts made here on Lemmy (and I don't mean the hexbear lemmygrad ones) you should still clearly see a contempt towards the capital class.
The upvote ratio on this comment (which is at 15up to 15down currently) is in no way representative of Lemmy. At best its representative of this specific community (memes@lemmy.ml).
Does anyone here own capital? As in being haut bourgeoisie? Probably not.
If you support capitalism and you're not a capitalist you're just a bootlicker.
And you live on your own self-sustaining compound, posting from your open hardware, fabricated in free factories, Libre software OS and applications, with compost-generated power? Didn't think so. Welcome to the gray zone bootlicker.
Does anyone here own capital? As in being haut bourgeoisie? Probably not.
If you support capitalism and you're not a capitalist you're just a bootlicker.
Owning a car is not bourgeois. Owning a business is.
If you could stop going to work tomorrow and still pay your bills because your assets are generating sufficient income to cover your expenses and still accumulate, you're in the capital class. If you trade your time and labour for income and quitting work would mean your resources will get depleted, you're working class.
And if you think that you're not working class because you sit in an office and work on a computer, then that's exactly what the ownership class wants you to believe so you'll be happy with your lot and not rock the boat.
How do you define “capital”? I own a paid-off vehicle. That’s my biggest single asset. Am I therefore evil?
Oh my god, we aren't coming for your toothbrush. The idea that owning anything makes you a capitalist is absurd. We are talking about businesses that alienate workers like yourself from their labor.
Oh, and I’m also a shareholder in my employer. Gasp.
And if you had enough shares to live off of you wouldn't be renting. You're a member of the proletariat, not even the petite bourgeoisie who still have more to gain by overthrowing capitalism.
All this talk is highly dangerous us-vs-them, black-and-white divisive crap that isn’t going to go anywhere productive. Stop it. Grow up.
Maybe instead of being afraid of shadows you should read what socialists actually believe. We believe that the means of production (aka your workplace) should be owned and managed by the workers (you) and not some board who see the business as a paycheck every month (and probably don't understand how it actually functions) overseen by a democratic body to coordinate between businesses. We claim to live in a democracy but nowhere is this more evidently wrong then workplaces, which are almost always run as dictatorships..what little political agency employees exercise has to be won in conflict to the goals of the system.
We oppose land commodification. People, especially children and the elderly, should not be at risk of being evicted from where they live, and if they have income they should just contribute to the collective maintaining and construction of property which is generally 5 percent of income, not 1/3 of a paycheck like it is under capitalism with all the middlemen leeches.
Yes, I probably have assets valued at .5-1M that I've accumulated with my family.
Okay, that at most makes you petite bourgeoisie not haut bourgeoisie. But I'm guessing you can't live off of your passive income so you're still proletariat. You have more in common with the proletariat than not, and you have more to gain by overthrowing capitalism then preserving it.
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Keep moving those goal posts.
You wouldn’t be any better off on a socialist system. The people at the top of the party would control everything and the working class would be even poorer than they are now. You’re just licking the left boot instead of the right one.
This is empirically untrue, but also just nonsense. Politicians do not have the same class relationship as capitalists with the proletariat.
Oh I’m sorry i didn’t realize there was empirical evidence for socialism. Please send me a link to some of these successful socialist societies.
Dang, for a moment I considered that you might have independent thoughts. This LemmtGradChatGPT BS ruined it.
And with a partner who is undoubtedly attracted to you no less!
Look at you go.
I mean... I'm a capitalist who doesn't defend billionaires and also doesn't feel left out... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Does lemmy.ml/c/rimjob_steve exist yet?
Edit: nope :(
Are you able to live comfortably without working for the foreseeable future?
I'm pretty sure that's just a strawman version of capitalism. Plenty of capitalists who had their life's work taken during a communist revolution and were at best told they could come back as a manager worked plenty hard. Didn't save them.
Oxford English Dictionary defines a capitalism as :
a person who supports capitalism
a person who owns or controls a lot of wealth and uses it to produce more wealth
The dictionaries say otherwise. But sure, if "capitalist" just means a person thats very succesful and uses their power for the bad, then they are obviously not good to society but that doesnt make the system of capitalism any worse...
Alright, Im fine with that definition, thanks for clarifying that.
However, if I invest part of my money (eg. into stocks or ETFs) as you do if you want to start saving money, that would make me a capitalist, wouldnt it? Your previous comment kind of made it seem like all capitalists are evil and rich af...
you forgot to show the adjective definition, which is what he is using in his sentence. and you are the one dispensing in petty arguments by continueing the arguement unti you get final say.
Right? There are pros and cons with every system. People disagree based on value judgements not based on misinterpretation of facts. People in their echo chambers will have you believe that everyone on the other side of the political spectrum all thinks the same way “the same people who say X also say Y!” Rarely is that the case. Most people are actually centrists who have their own independent beliefs on a wide range of topics.
Not everyone on my side of the political Spectrum thinks the same way. But if you are pro capitalist. You simply aren't thinking. Capital, markets, and currency. All existed before capitalism. The only thing capitalism did was justify the wealth and power of the wealthy and Powerful Beyond being simply born to wealthy powerful people. Now you get to be a wealthy powerful person by having capital. Which ironically just so happens to be most common among people born too powerful people. New boss same as the old boss. Funny how that works.
I hate capitalism, I just don't know of a better alternative. Nordic socialism is just capitalism with a big government. Soviet socialism failed miserably (it turns out, it is very hard to plan an economy). I have never heard a solid plan for communism that works on a national scale, never mind a plan for transitioning to such a society.
On the other hand, capitalism works reasonably well most of the time and we can just fix issues with it when they crop up (and we have a big backlog of issues to fix).
Capitalism does not work reasonably well most the time. Unchecked it leads to countless busts and Booms that leave the average person destitute. You really should look into the history of the early 20th century. The only reason we even still have capitalism. Is because of two massive world wars. Slaughtering and grinding up many tens of millions of people. As well as passage of basic Social Security nets. We've largely at least abandoned the spirit of. If if not in practice as well.
Capitalism has been a failure at every level. Constantly. That isn't a justification or Praise of leninism. There's a lot of other ideologies on the Socialist side Beyond leninism. And they don't require large National level government. Look into them sometime.
Soviet socialism failed miserably (it turns out, it is very hard to plan an economy).
Did you actually check? Because based on a bunch of metrics I saw the USSR did pretty well compared to the feudalism that came before it and the capitalist "democracy" that came after its illegal and undemocratic dissolution.
The data shows that economic freedom is associated with greater life satisfaction . That doesn’t mean that every billionaire is a good guy or that corporations don’t break the law.
There are three kinds of lies. Lies, Damned lies, and statistics. First you lose points by linking to a supposed study behind the paywall. Second you lose points by that study being conducted by The Fraser institute. A solidly right wing group. With a less than credible reputation.
I apologize for only attacking the messenger on this. Though that should be enough to dissuade anyone from trusting it. But you didn't link to anything that actually proves your point that we could read to argue against their flawed methodology, definitions, sampling, and data Gathering strategy. I'm sure we could attack and pick apart those endlessly. But I'm not going to pay 30 bucks to do it.
Uh, no shit. Economic freedom means not being destitute. Of course that makes you happier than not. What are you trying to prove, here? Do you think economic freedom is synonymous with capitalism, or only possible through it?
All you have to do is go find people who came from nothing and built themselves a good, comfortable life. Ask them what they did to be successful. Decide whether you're willing to do that amount of work - then do it, or don't.
I don't understand why this is so complicated for people... You don't need money to be content with your station in life. I was happy when I was young and poor, and I'm happy when I'm late 30's and solidly upper middle class. Maybe I'll make the millions someday with a great idea, and maybe I won't.
I don't care about billionaires as long as they keep signing my 6-figure paychecks. Better than the $5/day I got bailing hay as a kid on the farm where I grew up.
Define nothing. And then Define wealthy. Then we'll talk. Bill Gates did not build from nothing. Jeff Bezos did not start from nothing. Elon Musk did not start from nothing. Harlan Crow did not start from nothing. The Koch brothers did not start from nothing. The Mercers did not start from nothing. Peter Thiel did not start from nothing. Mitt Romney did not start from nothing.
A ton of people who pretend to start from nothing. Started out with more access and resources than many people could imagine. More than many people will ever see personally in their lifetime.
No one making minimum wage in the United States can afford their rent anywhere in the United states. Millennials and younger are struggling to even buy homes or be financially secure. Most Americans are a single emergency medical or otherwise from being bankrupt. It's the biggest indicator of your future wealth and success is who you were born to.
The reason you don't understand why this is so complicated for people. Is because you don't understand the basic supposition being made. Most people don't and that's the problem. The fact that most people use the phrase "pull themselves up by their bootstraps" out of context and unironically should be a massive indicator of how uneducated people are on the subject. But everyone is capable of understanding if they want to. Please do some reading on the subject. Even a small amount. It won't take much to help get you up to speed.
https://cew.georgetown.edu/...
Counterpoint: Nope.
So, you support a system that inherently creates an upper class of obscenely rich people, yet are opposed to those people?
A system set up to enrich the owner of a business, while its workers lose out, creates exactly the people you claim not to defend.
No, I'm not opposed to them... I just don't support them. They can support themselves, and I can support myself just fine. I make more money from them than I would without them, and they make money from me they wouldn't have otherwise had my skillset to access easily.
I've never been forced to take any job... I just manage my skillset in such a way that makes it both rare and valuable. I've worn many hats over the years, and I just play the game instead of bitching about the rules Worked out great for me and my family so far. I'll even have some to leave my kids so they don't have as hard of a time reaching even higher than I have. That's the whole point, for me: make my kids' life better than mine, and I've done that so far.
Markets are nothing more than voluntary association. Most, if not every "obscenely rich" person got this rich because of govt interference (lobbying, govt sanctioned monopoly, corporate welfare, subsidies, etc.)
"Organic" market economy would be beneficial to everyone
The reason China has similar policies is because socialism/communism doesn't work without a capitalist cow to milk.
Do you understand what capitalism is relative to socialism/communism? That the entire premise is that no person owns the means of production, and therefore has zero stake in its success beyond their immediate involvement? How do you motivate people to reach for more, innovate, and strive for greatness when there is no semblance of capitalist enterprise? Nationalist pride? Do you threaten them? How many of the hundreds of examples do you need to see that this does not work?
Star Trek is a beautiful concept on paper - but that's the problem: as soon as you add humans, it goes to shit. Just look at the Hamas/Israel nonsense. Hamas literally does not care about their lives or children's lives... The civilians are literally putting out videos stating they will intentionally put themselves under incoming bombs "because this is how we will prove your brutality".
There's no chance as long as society has free will. There's just no way for anything else to work in the long run.
How do you motivate people to reach for more, he asks, on a platform that is literally developed for free. Have you ever thought that people do certain things because they like them ? I see not every job is likable tho. But that's a different problem, we can try to solve by technology. I know my opinion is also biased but in the end we should try to a bit more open minded.
Real talk. Socialism works great for much of europe. Look into england, austria, pretty much any Scandinavian country they all have programs and systems focused on supporting workers. That they would never give up.
Second are we talking Big C or little c communism. They are different things. And you are wrong immediately off the bat. Under communism which is not defined as socialism in its entirety. No single person owns the means of production. But people do own the means of production. Under big C communism, let's call it what it is leninism. They have a warped and twisted definition of who the people are. Expanding it out to a single Nationwide party and that party's dictatorial leader. That's very different from communism. Under communism the workers own the means of production. Meaning that if you work in a factory. As a worker of the factory you own a piece of, and have a stake in the factory and its success.
If people require capitalism to motivate them to strive for more. How did we get where we are? Capitalism has only existed a few hundred years. Human history goes back tens of thousands of years. How does that work? Because it really seems like we don't need capitalism for that. And there's no evidence showing that communism hinders it either. You do realize that even under the warped leninism that the Soviets used. They industrialized, expanded, had scientific and technological progress alongside the rest of the world. That doesn't excuse the atrocities that they committed or the capitalists have committed. But that sure doesn't seem like it puts a damper on striving for more etc.
And if human nature is the biggest roadblock to socialism as you say it is. It's just as big or bigger a roadblock to capitalism. Your argument against socialism is more of an argument against capitalism. Think about that. I think you mean well. But I also think you have very little idea about what you're talking about. Which isn't an insult. When it comes to some Western Nations and especially the united states. We are washed in propaganda and purposefully miseducated.
You've left an anti-China warmongering echo chamber for a place where moderation isn't predicated on silencing dissent against the west. The people you describe as 'pro-China' bots have plenty of issues with Chinese policy decisions. Accepting that the USA and capitalism more generally are evil forces in world politics are not state generated.
You're a capitalist? How much capital do you own?
Well, a lot less after January of 2021... I was at 4.3 mil, and lost about 1.2 mil. (starting from less than zero, first child was born on Medicaid).
Sounds like you're just petite bourgeoisie
Don't be big mads because they answered your question.
They come back and attack them. "You idiot you are only a small time millionaire" 🤦♂️
Grew up on a farm, had no help, just decided to go get what I wanted like literally any and all Americans can. Like I said, first kid was born on Medicaid, we were on welfare for a couple years... Got a full time job at best buy... worked through community college, got off welfare... Took me about 11 years to get that first nice paycheck job where it takes others 4...but, that's ok. Can't control everything in life, live and learn.
Just use the available programs, and get off of them as soon as possible so you can start contributing more than you took from them. It's pretty easy if you just do it as a matter of principle. I received, now I give back. Once I've returned some orders of magnitude of what supported me, I can focus on what I leave behind.
The fact that it was harder for me than it is for others doesn't make me bitter or anything... I'll just make it easier for my kids on the next go-round. It's all good.
Fake. There are no women here.
Real. There are a few women here
Yes there are. Stop being weird. (Am woman)
Non-stop circle jerking
I think what you are looking for is called Shitposting. 😅
Has to be breaking a rule by this point
Capitalists need workers to oppress. Without them, they would have nothing to give them a feeling of superiority. Mincing people into fertilizer would surely be a fun pastime for the rich, but it's hardly a sustainable hobby
Free Market Capitalism
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You have a rather one dimensional moustache twirling view of the world. Let me guess, communism is the one stop solves all problems in the world solution without any negative side effects?
You do understand that that is not how the world works, or for that matter, how anything works?
Seriously, your comment is plain nonsense. Yes, captialism has a shitload of issues. Yes, there are rich and abusive people out there. Yes, communism is responsible for countless millions of deaths and tortured...
Instead of making up weird fantasies, how about to try to come up with an idea that would actually make things better?
I missed the part where the person you're replying to mentioned communism at all.
Communism as Marx described, has to do more with the complete automatization of the means of production, and the subsequently change of the structure of society, as a result of post scarcity.
Remember that just past Mars humanity has a near infinite repository of resources, it's only on this earth that we are subjected to the rat race, when we have the wealth of the universe so close.
You may think that I'm dreaming, but if we let capital unchecked, it will destroy us, and destroy earth. We have nothing to lose but our chains.
if we let our capital unchecked
I am all in favor for heavily regulated and checked capitalism. Like it or not, its the most successful system and it can be a source for good when heavily regulated and used as an input source for a socialist system that takes care of all.
Thinking about how to make the world better starts with fantasizing, and moves on to theorizing and debating ideas. Calling the many decades of socialist and communist thought just fantasies goes beyond all reason. At this point you're just ragebaiting. This is not how you talk to people.
The delusional thought process is fantastic.
You have, maybe 2k users here, defederate a new insurance a day, and users are constantly finding lack of content; but yeah it's the normal user who is quite in the corner 🤣
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For the anti-capitalists, I have a genuine question (sorry, I couldn't find an "ask a commie" community):
In the capitalist system there is a movement called Financial Independence Retire Early (FIRE) where people commit to living frugally in an effort to maximize savings and investments. The goal is to achieve a balance that allows you live off a safe withdrawal rate (around 3.5-4%) and then leave the workforce at an earlier than normal age. Some people commit to a life of minimalism and lean-FIRE with under $20k in investment income per year. I believe there is significant overlap with the van-life crowd and other nomadic lifestyles.
Is this lifestyle compatible with, or is there a similar lifestyle within a communist system? To expand, can those with a different set of priorities trade away their later working days in exchange for less material things?
Is this how lemmy debates online?
I'm about this close to going back on reddit. They're idiots and commies over there but usually not both lol
How bout I pejorative my mouth to your ass?
He wasn't arguing, though lol. It was his opinion.
I replied to someone who had no interest in critically engaging and offered two weak and irrelevant options in efforts to downplay another commenters stance on a meme. A literal bad argument vs an opinion to a meme. Try again, you corny head ass 😂
It's the other way round. The fear of being left out makes the lemmies dance off a cliff.
(I know, the movie was fake.)
The capitalist sees that the lemmies keep dancing without wondering why the music is playing.
Wealth redistribution is good. Socialism definitely could end up being better than capitalism with the right implementation and regulations. A socialist revolution is a bad idea; wealth redistribution can be implemented in capitalism. Lobbying is real, but voting still makes a difference. Vote in more than just the presidential election and canvas for issues or politicians you support. Thank you for coming to my ted talk.
All the generally established capitalist wiggleroom like minimum wages, paid holiday, affordable health care, education instead of manual labour for children etc were established by massive strikes and (threats of) violent masses.
I don't really get what you mean by wiggle room. Also are you implying that all positive change related to workers rights entirely centered around strikes/violence without any action by the government?
Isn't that the point of unions? To have leverage over the place you work so they have to treat you right? Strikes and protests are a good way to raise awareness and pressure higher ups to act, but if you don't vote in the goverment system than you have no real leverage over the people who speak for you. True progress? What about gay marriage being legalized across the US? What about the cops who killed George Floyd being convicted of murder? That isn't "true" progress? Yes there have been steps back like Roe V Wade, but progress is not a continuous upward trend in the short term. But I'm pretty sure abortion is not a settled matter in the US and a lot of people don't want it.
You think the issues that are present in todays system are equivalent to slavery? Yes working conditions are a crap shoot, but its not slavery we at least have some safety net systems in place. Also, unions seem to do a pretty good job in places they are implemented.
progress isnt a continous upward climb in the short term. In the 90s crime shot up and no gay marriage soooo. We can definitely go farther with capitalism like with higher taxes on the rich, minimum base income, etc. Voting does matter, if you dont vote you have no leverage over those who speak for you.
How has it reached its limit? I just gave two examples of ways it can improve. Voting for the president is not the only thing you can do. You can canvas for politicians or issues you believe in and vote in other levels of the government. I don't get the sentiment of voting doesnt matter so we wont vote. Its a self fulfilling prophecy. We are not heading to hell on earth because there are a lot of people more informed than either of us working on solving all different kinds of issues. I dont understand blaming capitalism for everything. It completely hand waives the nuance of situations and how we can realistically improve them.
I don't recall giving a party hat to capitalists.
Capitalism is a good library, it's the devs that implement it wrongly 😭
Capitalism can never work, because it's self defeating. The point of capitalism is to maximize immediate profits, nothing else - as a result, it will gladly destroy its own means of growth if as a result instant profits increase.
But it's working, many are happy. If you're unhappy it's probably your fault and not the fault of the system you are living in. Take ownership of your situation and improve it.
20 percent of children in the US are food insecure and we have the largest prison industrial complex on the planet. If I had a shittier job and broke my leg I would end up homeless. My cousin who can't hold down a job due to a chronic illness would die on the streets if she didn't have family support. But yeah the system works.
Sounds like a lack of compassion in your family. Just build a unit and live together, makes live easier if you support each other. But no the system is the problem! Some people would be always losers, regardless the system.
Regulations, regulations, mors regulations!
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Yeah no shit it reads 'lemmy', everyone here is in this meme
you don't know what that means
Someone creating a specific community doesn't add rules to existing general communities. You should start an apolitical memes community!
What? Using lemmy as intended and finding a community that fits my needs or starting my own?!
Then how will I inflict my will on all the people in existing communities as is my real intent?!
mincing me into fertilizer instead of making me sell their crap at 5k% markup gets them more money how?
People think capitalists care about nothing except their net value but that's an unfair stereotype.
What's the use of having all the money if you can't make other people suffer? How else will the poors know you're better than them?
almost sounds like you think you think like them...maybe wanna..be..one? quick #cancelhegar #fuckcapitalism #theyrealljustgreedyassholeslookingtomakeabuck #diecapitalisttrash
also, Mr. Goodman? iykyk
mans really just said "thought he did something" and thought he did something. 😳
This way, they have a product to sell. The next tool to come along is hired as the salesman (no salary, 100% commission).
but that's literally what I was doing...do they just mince everyone, have all the product, and never sell any? how does that get them any money?
They make you make the product for less than it's worth, then they sell you the product for more than it's worth, and pocket the difference.
They mince you when your buying power disappears.
They're the same picture.
To expand...one of the biggest goals of a capitalist is increasing profit. What better way to do this than to take over and manipulate the government of whatever state you're operating in to cut you special breaks? It's the pinnacle of capitalist achievement.
You create laws to regulate it...the capitalists will manipulate them and control your government anyways.
You loosen regulations to "promote competition" or whatever excuse they use, and then there's nothing stopping them from fucking you even harder. Capitalism and the state are always intertwined, one feeds off the other. Even the Soviet Union was sometimes said to be "state capitalist", where basically the entire country was under control of one "corporation".
this a good explanation.
capitalist apologists love to invent new terms like “corporatism” and “crony capitalism” that basically just mean “every problem with capitalism”. they then say “capitalism isn’t the problem, the problem is crony capitalism” which makes about as much sense as saying “capitalism isn’t the problem, the problem is all of capitalism’s problems”.
One person has a limit to the complexity that they can control. You need the masses and a working state to control other billionaires. Only then will you be able reach new levels of complex production processes that allow to do new things.
Of course, for some it is fulfilling to just be at the top.
Tell us you love the taste of boot on your tongue without telling us you love the taste of boot on your tongue..
Sorry, but I don't love the taste of the boot of the monopoly of violence (the State) and it's robbery (taxation), mass murder (war) and slavery (conscription).
Bureaucracy, corruption, FIAT money, intellectual property, common goods, the welfare state... The idea of an oligarchy of politicians controlling and regulating the economy and our private lifes in the name of "democracy" and "the common good" is actually helping those billionaries we BOTH hate so much.
Social democracy is practically the same thing as corporatocracy, but with a little of populism. On the other hand, "any step toward socialism is a step toward economic irrationality".
Person is already dead inside. They "have a family" but are acting like a teenager - speaks for itself...
"they're acting like a teenager" and "speaks for itself" in the same post. 😬
Keep posting that meme, maybe it will be relevant one day.
Not quite, I made a bland general comment to troll on a bland general post. My intention was to trigger some commies. Judging by the comments I’d say it was a success.
My dude. The capitalists are not the people who made those devices. Workers made those things.
My man, capital was expended developing the technology underpinning those devices. It was expended building the tools and sourcing the materials that went onto the device that the workers built. Capital was expended paying the workers for the time they took making the devices and bringing the device to market to sell.
Labor and capital are needed to function. Both can be true at the same time.
Then the capitalist should only be entitled to recuperate their initial investment + whatever personal effort they put in.
How can it be the capitalist captures profit many years after those first two occurred?
How would you manage risk?
The capitalists invest their profits in new ventures. Good capitalists choose often what is needed, bad capitalists constantly lose money and stop being capitalists.
You want to reward good decisions. So those with profitable investments should get all returns so that they can make more good investments.
So don't set a limit but tax their income proportionally.
That capital is created by the workers. It is extracted from them unjustly by capitalists, and then they claim they are responsible for the creation of everything just because they direct that stolen capital.
“Capital”… You keep using that word but I do not think it means what you think it means.
What is it that Investors invest? Could it be capital? Investors also tend to have ownership of the company.
Funny I thought a good education was one of the benefits of communism.
And why should they? What makes investors special beyond "having lots of money"
Why should workers forfeit their labor at a fraction of its actual value to line the accounts of people who won the birth lottery?
Investors did not invent the product, they did not design it's manufacturing process, they did not acquire materials or even the land upon which the factory is built. And yet, they reap all the profits.
There's a simpler way
Absolutely you are 100% correct. However communism is not the answer.
And what is, O Wise One?
Not a flex, a trigger.
The best response. So common it's hard to tell if it's a real response people believe.
Perhaps the most intelligent reply in this entire thread.
Global capitalism is a very, very, very recent occurrence historically.
We went from a merchant-style sort of economy to capitalism almost overnight.
And in this merchant-style sort of economy, the rich weren't an order of magnitude richer than the poor, and profiting off their backs?
FFS, monkeys quickly figure out how to trade "money" for sex. World's oldest profession anyone? We're no different. Capitalism just perfected it.
Capitalism is just dandy, with some serious government oversight. Problem being, how do you stop the overseers from getting rich legislating the oversight? Same problem in any economic policy.
Kinda funny thought I had in my 20's. The only way to truly get rich is by getting other people working for you. Never pursued that line of work, just not me, can't do it. But it's still true and always will be, no matter the economics.
tfw Marx was just a shitty millennial, apparently
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Wow, this one touched some nerves.
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