Car manufacturers love the SUV/crossover format for EVs because they find it easier to fit the batteries in with the higher clearance.
There's a reason why they're all going for it, despite middling enthusiasm from buyers.
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Maybe I just hate SUVs
This is the way.
A gallon of gas contains 33.7 kWh of energy.
ICE sedans get on average 31.7 miles per gallon, which is 0.94 miles per kWh.
Most electric SUVs get 3-4 miles per kWh depending on temperature and driving conditions. Electric sedans get 4-5 miles per kWh.
You may generally dislike SUVs, but those Electric SUVs are still a far cry better than the gas sedans you're giving a pass.
Your mixing of miles and metric is triggering my FauxCD.
Yes but they’re still as butt ugly as the rest of the SUVs they’re making. And they don’t handle well. And they’re fucking huge.
So it’s a hatchback with a high CoG and poor handling?
Sounds like an SUV to me.
lighter than a pickup truck? impressive engineering that must have taken
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2218 kg vs 1777 kg (Tesla 3) is a 25% increase, in addition to losses from higher air resistance from the fat body
Speaking of irrelevant blathering...
All the bulk of an SUV without the ease of getting in and out.
Mustang just got a dad body
I have no idea why they called this entirely different car a mustang.
Because nostalgia sells cars to boomers.
Sure, but the mach e had a 0 to 60 time that matches the mustang GT so comparing this relevant stat, it might as well be. Plus, they need even more power because it's so heavy
What's your point? The focus RS isn't electric sooooo it's not a part of this conversation about ford EVs and their design woes lmao
How do you fuck up your battery design by under-specing high voltage connections in an EV of all things?
JFC, Ford, can you try to sabotage the EV conversion more?
"Well you see, making those conductors undersized saved us $1 per unit, which allowed us to get the lower bid, and increase shareholder value at the time. Now, of course, is a different financial quarter and what we did before doesn't matter."
I guarantee there's a spreadsheet at Ford that does the math on whether saving that $1 per unit is worth it considering the chance of a recall. Looks like their gamble didn't pay off.
One step closer to fight club.
The battery is fine, problem is the isolation contactors in the HV electricity distribution junction box. Contactors overheat, most likely melting their electromagnet windings. No more electromagnet pulling the contactor closed, springs push it open, isolating the battery as designed for a fail safe condition, no more power. Though the fail conditions are supposed to be "control system is not happy, cuts pilot voltage to contactors". Instead of the contactor itself being the failing part.
But hey still, atleast it's not welding the contactor closed, that would be way worse.
So Ford didn't know their mustang owners tend to drive a bit recklessly? The analogies here are plentiful. Smith & Wesson knowing their weapons are used in crimes... McDonald's knowing their food will turn you fat...
If the gas pedal goes down X-inches, a mustang drive will press the pedal down X-inches +1
"Stick shift is better because when you push all three pedals to the floor, the car sounds real fast!"
- Mustang Drivers, probably
The mental image this creates is just fantastic. 😂
Why would they? It's not a Mustang. It's a hatchback EV with extra ground clearance to pretend it's an SUV.
Over 70% of buyers are first time Ford customers. There isn't much of any overlap in buyers between an actual Mustang and the Mach E.
I was just driving around my city to make some extra cash on uber, and there is too many mach e owners here who spin the tires from stop and around corners, accelerate to 90s on the bridges even the ones that go up vertically and curves, which takes a lot of power and tire grip to do. These men and women are worse than bmw, porsche or sports car owners.
I tried to get my wife to pick a Mach E over the Ioniq 5 and failed. The Ioniq 5 has its issues but now I'm getting like we dodged a bullet.
Buying a new model year of a new car has always been a massive risk. The risk of recall maintenance is pretty high.
My preference is 3-5 years old but my wife really REALLY wanted this car and it was the right price. She loves it.
Supposedly the latest software update fixes that but we haven't done the patch yet.
God damn it, it’s 2023 and basic functions of cars don’t work because of SOFTWARE bugs. I wanna cry.
Couldn't charge our Ioniq 5 at home for a little over a month until they updated the software. And now it charges just slower, sucks. But my wife doesn't drive that far so it's working for us.
I don't know what the second part means... Can you say more?
That’s not true at all. It was one of the first things we tested out when we got ours in January. You have to let off at a specific rate, essentially it was trying to replicate engine braking since that also does not result in your brake lights come on. A later software update has also made it come on earlier if you’re braking lighter.
Aw, I was looking into the Ioniq 5 and decided to just wait and spend my extra cash on a different green thing (Hvac). It looks so... Interesting, was it worth the price tag?
I was feeling like I was getting strong armed into Tesla because of fed tax credit, too; hoping the choices open up a bit more...
My wife loves it, and you know happy wife and all. I like my car better but I'm not an SUV person.
Honestly i e yet to hear someone who owns an ioniq5 not love it.
I couldn't pull the trigger on a trade. Not enough range and infrastructure, plus the rate of tech improvement is still pretty quick. I went with a plugin hybrid with the hopes that i can trade it in once evs get a bit more settled.
Which one did you get? Those are still better for the environment than a full EV which is probably why Toyota doesn't offer a full EV yet.
My wife just hates getting gas, silly I know.
I was looking at the Ioniq 5 but ultimately went for the ID.4
Man what do you people do for a living that you can drop this kind of money on a car?
Embedded systems engineering, for a couple decades, mostly high-salary locations.
Do you like it? Volkswagen makes that right? We see a lot of them at the chargers.
Yeah, it's a VW. I really like it, not just because I got a premium trim and it's the fanciest thing I've ever owned, but it drives just like an ICE car, and the important controls aren't buried behind the touchscreen. Looking forward to this winter to see how it fares with lower temps and handles in the snow with AWD.
I drove an ID.3 for a year and was quite let down. Range estimation is always 25-30% over the real range, especially worse in winter. All controls were touch controls. Is this the same for the ID4?
What sold you over the ioniq 5? I've been looking at the new ID.7 and the Ioniq 5. The 400v battery architecture is the only thing really holding me back from 100% committing to the ID.7
VW had a special offer with the EV tax credit and offered me a generous trade-in value for my GTI.
Why does the battery voltage matter?
Higher battery voltage can charge faster and drive motors more efficiently (don't quote me on that part). That's why the Ioniq can do the really fast DC fast charging. For home charging it doesn't really matter, but on long distance trips that's less time spent charging.
I may be placing too much importance in that aspect since I have little experience with ev's.
Any big issues aside from the whole 12v battery dying thing?
We haven't had that issue yet. We couldn't charge the car at home because the port on the car got too hot. The fix was software the slowed down the charge which works for us because my wife doesn't drive far but it still sucks.
My biggest complaint is no rear wiper, the rear glass gets so dirty so fast and we don't go to gas stations with it to clean it. Next year's model will have one. Otherwise it's really nice in traffic, far easier than my manual car is.
To be fair, the people buying these crossovers are not the same people buying ICE Mustangs.
To give Mustang drivers some credit, at least they're not Charger drivers.
The flaw does not exist in models 2022 and newer. Older models are getting fixed. From the pictures, the unit is directly attached to the battery right in the front. It should be trivial for mechanics to get to.
Yeah. The fix is simply to switch the contactors to beefier ones, which presumably they did for 2022 model already. Hence new model years aren't affected.
Well switching out the junction box, since not like they are going to have repair mechanics muck in the junction box. Just ship the never model junction box with beefier contactors inside and switch out the whole box.
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Maybe if they didn’t make the Mustang a goddamned SUV it wouldn’t torch itself trying to haul its fat ass around
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