AI will change the way we do everything. All jobs will be replaced.

3 years ago by 𝔄 𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔦𝔢𝔫𝔱 𝔭𝔦𝔢𝔠𝔢 𝔬𝔣 𝔠𝔥𝔢𝔢𝔰𝔢 to c/lemmyshitpost

MudMan 125 points 3 years ago

So this is weirder than it looks at a glance.

That is not an LLM-generated search result. That is a funny ha-ha mistake a LLM made that then some guy compiled in his blog about AI.

Google then did their usual content-stealing thing, which probably does involve some ML, but not in the viral ChatGPT way and made that card by quoting the blog quoting the LLM making the mistake. And then everybody quoted that because it's weird and funny and it replicates all the viral paranoia about this stuff.

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lowleveldata 56 points 3 years ago

Is this how we beat the AI invasion? Data poisoning with memes and jokes?

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hemko 68 points 3 years ago

Yes.

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TonyTonyChopper 11 points 3 years ago

this deletes your OS right

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Johanno 19 points 3 years ago

It will try but unfortunately in the process of deleting your os the shell process of deleting will be affected and stop there.

However it can be savely assumed that you won't be able to boot into it again and that your data is gone.

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Eccitaze 8 points 3 years ago

Theoretically yes, but pretty much every modern Linux installation has some guards built in to the rm command to prevent it from deleting everything. Adding the flag --no-preserve-root removes this and gives you the classic DFE experience. (even without the flag though rm -rf / will still majorly fuck up your system.)

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TrickDacy 4 points 3 years ago

Deletes literally everything it can. So yeah, the os would be affected

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MudMan -2 points 3 years ago

I mean, as long as you are ok with also nuking all search engines.

To be honest, text chatbots have done very little to move the needle one way or the other, and all search engines are barely usable right now, chatbots or no. I had some hopes for an AI implementation with speciific training on how to parse search results, but all we're getting is the first couple of results read back to us.

So yeah, I get that people needed a new bad guy after crypto imploded, but it's a shame that the discourse became what it is, in that it both fails to pay off on tech that is actually pretty cool when used right and it leaves a lot of old tech that is getting noticeably worse off the hook.

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yuriy 4 points 3 years ago

Just throwing in my 2 cents. I swapped to DDG from google about 2 weeks ago and I’ve been very impressed with the results. It feels literally impossible to find accurate results on google if there exists a product remotely similar to your search terms. The last straw for me was having an entire search page populated with similes of my search term. No “did you mean?” or “including results for...”, just straight up random fucken products that happened to have one word similar to what I was searching for.

I’m this close to paying for Kagi. DDG (or bing, really) drops one ball and I’m there. I’m so sick of fighting with search engines. The environment hasn’t changed, it’s just enshittification. And AI was never going to fix anything, it’s just a new and exciting enshittifier.

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Steeve 4 points 3 years ago

Lol "AI invasion"? If that's what this is you "lost" over a decade ago. LLMs are a massive leap in NLP technology, but AI backs everything already.

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WhiskyTangoFoxtrot 2 points 3 years ago

John Connor was a shitposter all along.

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afraid_of_zombies 6 points 3 years ago

How many pieces of media are only remembered for how bad they were?

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dudinax 9 points 3 years ago

what are the systoms of being pregarnt?

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Karyoplasma 4 points 3 years ago

Dangerops prangent sex? Will it hurt baby top of its head?

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funkless_eck 61 points 3 years ago

Hubspot AI chat bot told me to go three levels deep into a menu that doesn't exist, to click a button that doesn't exist to enable a service that doesn't exist to solve a problem I had.

My company pays a 5-figure yearly sum for this service 👍

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Ookami38 19 points 3 years ago

The way it was going, I thought you were going to solve a problem you didn't have. Would be fitting.

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funkless_eck 35 points 3 years ago

maybe I should start asking it impossible questions

"how do I stop contacts from enabling the email flange during the squeej phase of marketing?"

edit: gottem lmao

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BellaDonna 11 points 3 years ago

This was incredible.

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veroxii 6 points 3 years ago

As a hubspot user this is actually not surprising at all. In fact the only surprise is that they're not requiring you to buy more Professional seats for the answer.

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ReallyActuallyFrankenstein 4 points 3 years ago

Sound advice, but pro-tip: sometimes the email flange sticks and just needs oil. Salad dressing will work in a pinch.

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AgentGrimstone 2 points 3 years ago

Sounds a lot like when I Google how to do something in Powerpoint.

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technicalogical 1 point 3 years ago

I got to review some AI customer service chats and never did I see it handle an issue from start to finish. It was pretty decent at setting the table for the human element. Unfortunately, the human element fails way too often but that’s for another team to solve, lol.

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independantiste 57 points 3 years ago

Is there a uBlock filter list for AI SEO websites? If not then I guess I should make one, it would make my life so much easier especially when looking for a product

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blackbirdbiryani 15 points 3 years ago

I desperately need this. It's gotten to the point where I don't even consider search results from 2023 anymore.

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v4ld1z 4 points 3 years ago

Sign me right the fuck up

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AtmaJnana 4 points 3 years ago

just saw one referenced yesterday on lemmy, I think. can't find it now

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maxenmajs 45 points 3 years ago

For niche topics, search engine AI is less than worthless. It produces an unacceptably high proportion of misinformation.

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UnspecificGravity 22 points 3 years ago

Especially with the built in biases that the companies that use it build in. Try searching for anything that can even tangentially be defined as a product for sale and that is ALL your results are going to show.

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steakmeout 18 points 3 years ago

The pronunciation of country names and their spelling is not niche.

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Jay 43 points 3 years ago

This joke is really old now.

And yes, even if such mistakes are funny at first glance, it doesn't change the fact that the field of AI has developed incredibly in the last year. And this development actually has the potential to completely change our economy. And not only that.

No, I'm not fun at parties.

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NumbersCanBeFun 21 points 3 years ago
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Lauchs 6 points 3 years ago

Okay but good goddamn your name IS fun.

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NumbersCanBeFun 11 points 3 years ago
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Diggix 4 points 3 years ago

Don’t you dare socialize in the silent sipping corner!

Only sipping!

In silence!

…

…awkwardly…

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Jay 3 points 3 years ago

I looked through your profile.

You seem like fun. Liar!

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someacnt 2 points 3 years ago

I wanna see what happens as the inevitable market crash comes!

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SCB -1 points 3 years ago

A lot more companies are making and saving quite a lot of money because of it

People downplaying the value of AI are like people in 1993 talking about how the Internet is just a playground for nerds.

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baatliwala 4 points 3 years ago

Most companies are still piggybacking off of big tech because of the scale of LLMs. If big tech companies are having problems then everyone else will sooner or later. The more simple ones can probably be done on worse machines but not all and certainly not something on the scale of ChatGPT

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SCB -3 points 3 years ago

They're "piggybacking off of big tech" the way every company that uses PowerPoint does

I'm sorry man but this comment just laughs in the face of reality. The use of AI across the board is skyrocketing.

I no longer need a video team, or to outsource video content creation, because of a tool we get for $20/month. This is the tiniest fraction of the currebtly-deployed impact.

My last company implemented AI-run workforce planning, AI-enabled call monitoring that cut out QA team more than in half, and AI chat systems that freed up 80% of our chat team to transition to Live.

That's 2 companies. There are hundreds of AI products out there. AI will be everywhere in less than a decade.

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Steeve -2 points 3 years ago

Ah yes, the trend of every new technological development ever. Apparently investment is "hemorrhaged money" until it's profitable.

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Smoogs 6 points 3 years ago

And then it will only be profitable for a time until the people have no money to spend cuz no jobs.

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c0mbatbag3l 1 point 3 years ago

The full automation of the economy won't be for a century or more, and as manual labor dries up there will be new work in robotics technician fields and AI development and training.

I'm not saying we don't need to prepare with taxation and UBI, but the jobs aren't just going to disappear overnight, that's ridiculous.

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bustrpoindextr 4 points 3 years ago

You didn't even bother reading it. This isn't counting investment, it's straight up losing money right now, not counting investment. Microsoft's customer model charges $10 a month/user to use it and it's turned out to cost $30 a month/user. The other big firms are seeing similar costs.

These LLM require huge amounts of processing, then when your users are spending resources to do very simple tasks, which is basically all the models are useful for right now, it costs a stupid amount of money to do stupid things.

This is not to say that it cant be useful in the future, or smaller purpose built models can't be useful. But these vast generic models literally hemorrhage money as it stands.

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Steeve 0 points 3 years ago

Some features are meant to drive engagement, not revenue. Some products are sold at a loss to drive engagement. This article is a very simplistic view of how technology has always worked for a product in it's infancy.

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Smoogs 2 points 3 years ago

Listen here, robot: Reminder that the Nothing forever hiccup just happened in February of this year. And struggles with POC facial recognition has been a source of discrimination still even now. You’re really trying to sell yourself as better than you are, AI. But you Can’t fool me.

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echo64 2 points 3 years ago

also, no one said the AI that is going to replace everyone's jobs and kill the economy because we don't have a society or economical system that can survive that amount of job losses inside of it was going to be good, or accurate.

the goal of ai isn't to be good or accurate, it's to seem plausible.

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arken 16 points 3 years ago

The history of chatbots for support purposes show us that jobs will be replaced not when they can be done as good, but good enough, and what "enough" means is going to be a race to the bottom kind of situation over time.

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Steeve -3 points 3 years ago

Lemmy is the worst place to get your information on the field of AI or really tech in general lol. "Technology" is a bad word and the only upvoted posts are just false confirmation bias that tech corporations are in some sort if imaginary "death spiral".

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c0mbatbag3l -2 points 3 years ago

Dude for real. Even the "technology" community is just people shitting on everything from eVTOLs to AI, should be called c/luddites instead.

Most of lemmy doesn't even understand how this shit works let alone has the knowledge to be an authority on it. There's constant "oh this is going to make the company go under, stupid AI can't possibly take our jobs!" Nonsense. Yet the cash keeps rolling in and AI becomes more and more integrated into every company.

Hell our cloud engineering team is currently building an in house model to assist data entry level workers with accessing the necessary data they need to do their jobs, and my team has used it to set up automated SFTP backups of our network gear.

It's not going anywhere, and whenever someone says it's useless because you can mislead it intentionally, or that it's just a gimmick cause they "can't see what it's good for," it's a safe bet they're just some gig economy worker who can't conceive of a world outside their bubble.

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someacnt 1 point 3 years ago

Cash keeps rolling

That has been because of the liquidity. Now see what happens as liquidity dries up.

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Steeve -1 points 3 years ago

Ok let us know when that happens lmao

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Kolanaki 42 points 3 years ago

Kenya doesn't start with K. It actually starts with K. Completely different.

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CurlyMoustache 7 points 3 years ago

Cenya

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Marin_Rider 8 points 3 years ago

no Quenya. They even speak elvish

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FlyingSquid 3 points 3 years ago

Quinoa. And it's good for you. Eat it.

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RobertOwnageJunior 3 points 3 years ago

Ƙenya

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shasta 2 points 3 years ago

One is unicode

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Rubanski 1 point 3 years ago
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Blyfh 33 points 3 years ago

spelled with a "K" sound

I'm not even a linguist but reading this little snippet already makes me want to smash my head against a wall.

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Xeelee 29 points 3 years ago

No matter how dumb AI is, it will be an improvement over a lot of people.

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VikingHippie 15 points 3 years ago

You could say the same about can openers or shelves, though 🤷

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Kedly 7 points 3 years ago

I'm not sure if you're praising or damning can openers

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VikingHippie 6 points 3 years ago

Neither. Just pointing out that some people are less useful than even the simplest and most circumstantial technology 🤷

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AngryCommieKender 5 points 3 years ago

Fun fact: The metal can, and canning process were invented 80 years before the first can opener. Up until that point people opened them with whatever tools they had available, such as a knife, a hammer and screwdriver, or an axe.

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Kedly 2 points 3 years ago

Lmao Fair!

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Honytawk 6 points 3 years ago

And unlike humanity, AI will improve over time.

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Smoogs 5 points 3 years ago

You have to define improvement with AI.

And given that AI doesn’t have observational awareness or ability to see it’s surroundings to compare fact from fiction so it takes direct input from users:it will adapt to what it is scraping.

And if you think it’ll just improve without human interaction for such an objective to be ‘improved’, perhaps you’re one of those people who think becoming a racist bigot spewing hate online where this will get scraped up by AI as an adaptation is ‘an improvement’

The nothing forever hiccup was a deep lesson on that.

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someacnt 2 points 3 years ago

Can I know about this "nothing forever" hiccup?

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Smoogs 3 points 3 years ago path: 0 4854738 4855904 4859813 4873002 4887104, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
Smoogs 6 points 3 years ago

It is learning it’s facts from these people. So no.

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ProfessorProteus 2 points 3 years ago

Man, if you wanted me to cry you could have told me my childhood dog died a second time.

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NutWrench 28 points 3 years ago

It's always a race to the bottom to create the most content for the least amount of money and effort, isn't it? The problem is, Ai generated content is crap.

"Water can be hot or cold. You shouldn't drink too much of it. Water can be stored in containers so it won't spill. You can cook things in it."

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Hobo 2 points 3 years ago

Damn I've just been waiting for it to rain and standing outside with my mouth open. This container thing is a game changer!

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OceanSoap 26 points 3 years ago

People are being banned off the internet for misinformation and being replaced by AI bots who spout... misinformation.

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afraid_of_zombies 19 points 3 years ago

Please quote me what this character said in this public domain story

Chatgpt: (Quotes wrong character)

No, that is a different character

Chatgpt: (invents hybrid character)

Sends it a link to the public domain text

Chatgpt: I can't follow links

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jeremyparker 9 points 3 years ago

It's like arguing with a MAGA

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mathterdark 17 points 3 years ago

Of course there isn’t. And you know the word “gullible” isn’t in the dictionary, either.

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Saik0Shinigami 8 points 3 years ago path: 0 4862067 4865236, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 6
PipedLinkBot 3 points 3 years ago path: 0 4862067 4865236 4865247, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 5
257m 13 points 3 years ago

Oy bot that ain't youtube its the dictionary.

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elephantium 2 points 3 years ago

Oy bot that ain’t youtube its the dictionary.

Did you click the link?

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yuriy 7 points 3 years ago

Delightful

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pomodoro_longbreak 1 point 3 years ago

Why does it look so wrong?

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Shapillon 6 points 3 years ago

Of course it's on the ceiling.

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Kase 4 points 3 years ago

Oh, so it doe-- ahh, you stole my lungs

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InternetCitizen2 3 points 3 years ago

Kenya believe it?

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mtchristo 15 points 3 years ago

This is AI gaslighting .

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Camzing 13 points 3 years ago

Its fun when you ask it a question and you counter and it says "You're right".

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Outtatime 12 points 3 years ago

Obviously it will never get better. Ha ha... Ha...

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MudMan 8 points 3 years ago

It will, but stuff doesn't get better linearly forever. That's why everybody in the 50s thought we'd be living in Mars, have starships and flying cars by now. Also why a bunch of investors and nerds thought AI was the new social media at some point.

Turns out most things get a lot better very fast and then a little better very slowly, and it's very, very hard to know when that line is going to flip ahead of time.

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Kedly 3 points 3 years ago

I do want to point out that while our tech doesnt look as amazing in the same way as the 50's thought it'd be, its pretty amazing in its own ways. I'm writing this message to you on a glass obelisk physically connected to nothing, that enables me to talk to my adopted family on the literal opposite end of the planet with maybe a few seconds of delay (if that), who dont speak the same language as me, and its more than 100,000 times more powerful than the computers thay first got us to the moon, while being small enough to comfortably fit in my pocket

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MudMan 4 points 3 years ago

You type posts that long on mobile? I am genuinely an old now.

Anyway, yeah, absolutely. We do live in the future. The point is that people extrapolate from whatever tech is in growth mode and inevitably go past where the real asymptote is. So yeah, if you were living in the 60s nuclear power and the space race seemed like amazing achievements, but it turns out the tech stopped shy of... you know, moonbases and the X-Men. If you were in the 80s automation and computers seemed like magic, but sentience didn't emerge from sheer computation and... well, actually short of the cyborg part pretty much every other part of Robocop happened, so we'll call that a tie.

So now we get affordable machine learning leading to working language and synthetic image models and assume that's gonna grow forever until we get the holodeck and artificial general intelligence. And we may, but we could also hit the ceiling pretty close to where we are now.

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Kedly 1 point 3 years ago

Thats fair, and yeah I spend a lot of time on transit these days, so I have the time to write up long posts on mobile xD As another aside, VR Tech and Mocap tech mean that we do actually have modern reality adjusted versions of the Holodeck right now! Check out Sandbox VR, they have locations in multiple different countries and its super cool! I'm sure there are other companies that have done similar, Sandbox is just the one I know of and have used!

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kromem 1 point 3 years ago

The Jetson's was supposed to take place 100 years from when it was being made in the 1960s.

Which means the following technologies beat their predictions by decades:

  • Video calls
  • Robot vacuums
  • Tablet computing
  • Smart watches
  • Drones
  • Pill cams
  • Flat screen TVs

Flying cars exist, they just aren't economically viable or practical given the cost, necessity to have a flight license, and aviation regulations regarding takeoff and landing.

And we're still 40 years away from that show's imagined future.

Your thesis focuses too much on the things here and there that were wrong, which typically related to expensive hardware cycles being assumed to be faster because the focus was only on the underlying technology being possible and not thinking through if it was practical (doors that slide into the ceiling is a classic example - the cost of retrofitting for that vs keeping doorknobs means the latter will be around for a very very long time).

What we are discussing is the rate of change for centrally run software which has already hit milestones ahead of expert expectations several times over in the past few years and set the world record for fastest growing new product usage beating the previous record holder by over a 4x speedup.

You're comparing apples to oranges.

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MudMan 5 points 3 years ago

Yes. Technology went faster than people expected in some areas and much slower in others, to the point where the outcome may not be possible at all.

That IS my "thesis". the idea that in the 1960s video calls and a sentient robot cleaning your house seemed equally cartoonishly futuristic is the entire point I'm making.

And to be clear, that holds even when restricted simply to consumer software and hardware. We got a lot better than expected at networking and data transmission... and now we're noticeably slowing down. We are actually behind in terms of AI, but we're way better at miniaturization.

Again, people extrapolate from their impression of current rates of progress endlessly, but it's hard to predict when the curve will flatten out. That's the thesis.

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kromem 2 points 3 years ago

a sentient robot cleaning your house

Again - we're still 40 years away from that envisioned future.

We got a lot better than expected at networking and data transmission... and now we're noticeably slowing down.

The difference between the 2023 and 2022's world records increased speeds for data transfer rates is nearly 5x more than the increase from 2020 to 2021.

As for your claims about being behind on AI, I'd strongly recommend looking at the various futurist predictions of what to expect from AI in 2020 from various firms, and how literally all of them completely missed the mark for the arrival of GPT-3.

Look at predictions for 2023 and you'll see a lot of comments around a potential AI winter and how the data sources have been tapped. Meanwhile the major research advances over actual 2023 was basically "how is GPT-4 so good at all these things" and "it turns out using GPT-4 to generate synthetic data can train much smaller networks to be much much better than we could have achieved with previous data sets."

And this is all in advance of the very promising work at a shift to new chip architectures for AI workloads, specifically optoelectronics which went from a pipe dream five years ago to proof of concept at MIT with DIY kits being made available for other researchers this year. So rather than hitting a plateau, if anything much like the gains in optical networking we're heading towards more oil poured on the AI fire, not less.

Your thesis is great for things like colonizing Mars or living in spaceships, but it's kind of crap for things like AI and software advancement.

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TrickDacy 1 point 3 years ago

Captain obvious

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Etterra 11 points 3 years ago

Yet somehow we'll never get ubi or free healthcare.

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AnokLola 7 points 3 years ago

Well, gotta say it's improving too fast to joke about it.

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Resol 6 points 3 years ago

Yeah apparently you spell with sounds instead of letters now. IT'S THE FUTURE

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Kyrgizion 6 points 3 years ago

Haha they will. Corpos won't care if their products and services are bad or worse through AI; they're de facto monopolists and using AI drives down cost tremendously.

What would they care this leads to a worse society as long as THEY benefit?

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philluminati 5 points 3 years ago

Hi,

This bug can easily be fixed by adding a few more dense layers and adding one specific correct input/output to the training set.

Thanks

GPT devs.

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Cannacheques 4 points 3 years ago

Here we have Bard, the Google AI attempting humour

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CoolBeance 2 points 3 years ago

It's always interesting to learn new trivia facts like this. Interlinked.

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tea 1 point 3 years ago

Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, not countries!

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gon 1 point 3 years ago
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mrfriki 1 point 3 years ago

I mean, we are already living in a dumb world. Making it dumber won't change things much.

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Blapoo 0 points 3 years ago

It will :)

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fossilesque 0 points 3 years ago
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TrickDacy 0 points 3 years ago

Yeah op, it will. Just because ai is an idiot sometimes doesn't mean it won't vastly improve. Many jobs will be destroyed, denying it does everyone a disservice

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mino 8 points 3 years ago

You are saying destroyed, as if the job itself is a service. Work is cost not value. You automate work so you can use your energy in more valuable ways (best case scenario having a good time and caring for eachother).

The fruits of automation being distributed unfairly is another story. Inequality is a political reality, not a technical one.

However luckily this problem will be shortlived probably since we end up like bugs compared to AI real fast...

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Syrc 1 point 3 years ago

You are saying destroyed, as if the job itself is a service. Work is cost not value.

That doesn’t apply to art, though. Artists enjoy their job and are grateful that they can earn a living by doing it, so the job is the service.

This would not be a problem if we actually had an UBI-like system or the cost of basic living was near zero, but apparently we like getting rid of solutions before finding better ones.

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TrickDacy 1 point 3 years ago

Maybe I'm just high.. but I'm confused about your point. I'm just referring to what capitalism has done over and over. Technology does destroy jobs... Yes it also creates them but can that continue forever?

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Trollception 4 points 3 years ago

They said that about the internet 20 years ago. It created more jobs than there were before.

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c0mbatbag3l 2 points 3 years ago

It also got rid of a metric shit ton of them as well. Like all other economic automation it starts with manual labor being replaced by technical repair and deployment personnel. Then eventually that all becomes automated too.

In the next 50 years you'll see a whole IT field develop around AI, then slowly it'll phase out low level IT workers and developers until the only people that are left are QA checking on the AI services to ensure functionality.

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yamanii 1 point 3 years ago

Explain why buzzfeed shuttered their news division and said they will be focusing on AI.

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Trollception 1 point 3 years ago

Yea sure some companies may lower head count in certain areas. The internet era certainly had the same effect. The overall impact had a net positive on jobs however.

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luthis 0 points 3 years ago

Been pronouncing it wrong my whole life.

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CaptainBasculin -4 points 3 years ago

Now let's compare a 1 year old machine learning model to a 1 year old human

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Mandarbmax 8 points 3 years ago

I would be pretty mad if my search result turned up a 1 year old human's babbling too. AI babbling doesn't get a pass either.

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afraid_of_zombies 3 points 3 years ago

I don't have access to software from the early 1970s to conduct the comparison. I can tell you at age 1 my kids could recognize some basic words, could walk a tiny bit, could recognize faces, and handle a spoon to self feed.

AI learning models are 50 years or so old. That is how you should do the comparison.

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Cornelius_Wangenheim 1 point 3 years ago
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