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vlad76 110 points 3 years ago

It should say "Whiteskins" instead

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JoMiran 34 points 3 years ago

*Paleskins

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Infynis 35 points 3 years ago

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samus12345 5 points 3 years ago

We're not all pink, Shran!

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pigup 9 points 3 years ago

Crackers?

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samus12345 10 points 3 years ago

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ininewcrow 2 points 3 years ago

Me up in the stands (holding a bundle of fake money): CRA-CKERS! .... CRA-CKERS! .... (doing a tomahawk chop with the money) ... CRA-CKERS! .... CRA-CKERS!

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BarrelAgedBoredom 2 points 3 years ago

Blue eyed devils, honkies, mayonnaise monkies, paleface (probably the most fitting as it's a slur of native American origin and fits the redskins theme), peckerwood, whitey, or white trash

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LillyPip 5 points 3 years ago

mayonnaise monkeys

This one needs to take off.

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AA5B 1 point 3 years ago

Yeah, you’ll need to try harder than that. Most of us aren’t blue-eyed and a lot of us are too different from the white trash stereotype. Most importantly, none of these are offensive enough.

If I heard someone chanting “CRACKERS, CRACKERS, CRACKERS”, I’d probably join in and wonder what dip or cheese we’re having with that.

This is a great discussion here, so keep reading. My favorites in this thread are the native wearing the “paleface” t-shirt with “Cletus”, and the “Fighting Whiteys”. Well done!

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tastysnacks 1 point 3 years ago

Crackers has to be the nicest derogatory word. Crackers are delicious.

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TheLowestStone 8 points 3 years ago

Well, it's short for whip crackers so maybe not that nice.

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skyspydude1 1 point 3 years ago

Eh, I don't think crackers quite works, just because the origin and use of the word compared to "Red Skins" has a slightly different context. I think "Red Necks" would have been a solid play on words, but obviously doesn't quite have the same racial connotations and history. Aside from whitey or cracker, I can't think of many other similar pejorative racial descriptors that'd really work though.

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ininewcrow 23 points 3 years ago

"Paleface" .... and show a picture of a buck toothed yokel

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skyspydude1 5 points 3 years ago

If you're using a bucktoothed yokel as your mascot, you're missing out on a solid "Red Necks" joke

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Nepenthe 6 points 3 years ago

Wouldn't work. Doesn't feel the same. Half of the country or more personally identifies as red neck, and proudly. If someone called me that, my first impulse would be a joking fist pump because one half of my family is that, yes.

Those that don't self-identify either jokingly or in seriousness wouldn't see the shirt as applying to themselves, so no part of it would land at all. They'd just giggle and agree like most people in this thread are doing.

Notwithstanding that the actual term redneck came about from the red handkerchiefs worn by workers during the Battle of Blair Mountain, an ongoing strike between unionized coal miners and local company towns that ended in anywhere from an estimated 20 - 100 dead. So again, fuck yeah my ass is a redneck.

Paleface.
Paleface does not have and has never had a good connotation. That one is different and nothing about the implicit reminder is fun. It's one of two whole terms in existence that would make me knee-jerk upset. I'm hoping against every experience I've had with a fairly disappointing race that nobody proudly refers to themselves in the open as Paleface.

Go with that one.

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Rodeo 3 points 3 years ago

It's one of two whole terms in existence that would make me knee-jerk upset.

What's the other term?

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STUPIDVIPGUY 2 points 3 years ago

they probably changed the wording to avoid being too on-the-nose...

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Peppycito 1 point 3 years ago

I think they just swapped insults.

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eestileib 1 point 3 years ago

The Washington Wypipo (I would wear this version)

alternate

The Colorado Crackers

The Indianapolis Institutional Racism (WNBA team)

The Columbus Yakubians

The Louisville Legrees

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Assman 2 points 3 years ago

Why drag Indy into this? Fever is the most sanitized team name ever.

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UnderpantsWeevil 0 points 3 years ago

The Columbus Yakubians

Only real heads will get this.

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ininewcrow 71 points 3 years ago

This meme always bugged me because it's not an equivalent portrayal of what the actual real life team mascot displays (or had displayed for several decades .... but continues to display in many other leagues and communities and schools)

As an Indigenous person ... this is what Native mascot logos look like to me.

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Aggravationstation 16 points 3 years ago

I want that tshirt so much!

I'm as white as the driven snow and English by the way.

"Some folk'll never lose a toe, but then again some folk'll. Like Cleetus, the pale faced yokel.

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ininewcrow 14 points 3 years ago

white as the driven snow

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Peppycito 4 points 3 years ago

Did you know why natives hate snow?

It's white, and settles on their land.

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ininewcrow 3 points 3 years ago

That's good ... but where I'm from in northern Ontario, we live in swamp country and we actually love winter because the land freezes over and we can freely travel over it ... in the summer we become land locked or stick to canoes and rivers ... but when winter arrives, we can go anywhere we want.

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elscallr 2 points 3 years ago

It needs to be plural to make the joke fit right and "palefaces" doesn't quite fit the syllable count. We need something better.

"Paleskins"?

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RagingRobot 9 points 3 years ago

This guy seems a little more considerate than those he is mocking lol

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psycho_driver 2 points 3 years ago

They could also go with the original image with an assault rifle super imposed over it.

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Olhonestjim 1 point 3 years ago
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Aggravationstation 1 point 3 years ago

I want that tshirt so much!

I'm as white as the driven snow and English by the way.

"Some folk'll never lose a toe, but then again some folk'll. Like Cleetus, the pale faced yokel.

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Piecemakers3Dprints 2 points 3 years ago

So... You're slush gray?

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Vaginal_blood_fart 2 points 3 years ago

Scotsman here. If you find this shirt please let me know. I want to get one for each member of my family.

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Stamets 0 points 3 years ago
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ininewcrow 13 points 3 years ago

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Stamets 9 points 3 years ago
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ininewcrow 5 points 3 years ago

It took me an embarrassing amount of time of self reflection to edit that ... the whole time I was thinking ... will people think this is racist, am I racist, am I reverse-racist, is that a thing? Should I laugh at my culture? Is that allowed? Should I allow myself?

So I just burned some sweetgrass, waved my hands at the sun and hit reply

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RealFknNito -21 points 3 years ago
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Piecemakers3Dprints 3 points 3 years ago
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RealFknNito -7 points 3 years ago
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schwim 40 points 3 years ago

I don't know, that's awfully PC. Shouldn't it say "Whiteys" or similar?

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mosiacmango 29 points 3 years ago

Its pointing out that "redskins" is offensive, but not being offensive to do it.

You could say being formal is itself another joke on top of the contrast, as "indigenous" or "first peoples" would be an equally stupid football team name as "Caucasians."

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captainlezbian 1 point 3 years ago
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Anamana 1 point 3 years ago

Good interpretation

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Empricorn 9 points 3 years ago

He wants to parody the thing, not get murdered by a random hillbilly...

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RealFknNito -1 points 3 years ago

Yeah you're a lot more likely to get murdered walking around with the N word on your shirt than anything you'd think would offend a hillbilly.

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cashews_best_nut 3 points 3 years ago

Did you see the Top Gear episode where the lads went to the Deep South and got chased by red necks cos their car had Hilary Clinton and gay sex painted on the sides?

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RealFknNito 0 points 3 years ago

.. Yes, where they went out of their way to find the most reactive prone town they could, gave their very best shot to stir up animosity, and still left without incident aside from some verbal threats. Even then that was politically charged and had nothing to do with their race.

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eran_morad 5 points 3 years ago
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RedAggroBest 5 points 3 years ago

Paleface is an equivalent "slur" as an insult of Native origin.

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snooggums 4 points 3 years ago

Honkies or crackers would be fantastic.

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PsychedSy 1 point 3 years ago

It should say something mocking the redskins thing. Caucasians rhymes at least.

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samus12345 1 point 3 years ago

Cock Asians

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Nobody 28 points 3 years ago

Caucasians football is sponsored by mayonnaise and friendly interactions with law enforcement.

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ininewcrow 24 points 3 years ago

lol ... I'm Ojibway-Cree from northern Ontario in Canada ... born and bred Indigenous and speak my own language

My family friends and I had a hell of laugh a few years ago when Heinz announced it's new mayonnaise sauce - Mayochup ... some weird combination of mayonnaise and ketchup

In English it sounds like nothing ... but in Cree, Ojibway and Ojibway-Cree ... it translates as 'shit face' ...

  • May-yeh -- translates as 'shit' or 'feces'
  • the ending 'chup' ... is a descriptive ending you tack onto the end of a word to denote that it refers to a individuals face

Mayo-chup ... literally means 'shit face' in my language

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Tavarin 4 points 3 years ago

That's awesome. Also mayo + ketchup is called golf sauce, not sure why they would call it mayochup.

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ininewcrow 7 points 3 years ago

Isn't that what you do at a good course anyways?

Get shit faced

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Piecemakers3Dprints 1 point 3 years ago

That. Is fucking amazing. 🤣🤘🏼

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Haphazard9479 20 points 3 years ago

I'm a whiteskin and I'd wear it.

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youCanCallMeDragon 34 points 3 years ago

It would hit a little different if you wore it

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FlexibleToast 13 points 3 years ago

I'm pretty sure if a white person wears it, it might be taken as a more white power thing than a mocking thing. I think it would be hilarious to wear, but I don't want to send the wrong message.

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samus12345 12 points 3 years ago

This one is more clear about being a spoof:

EDIT: Some alternative takes:

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ininewcrow 5 points 3 years ago

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samus12345 3 points 3 years ago

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calavera 2 points 3 years ago

What about a logo with an Indian using a Caucasian t-shirt?

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Kusimulkku 2 points 3 years ago

Yeah this is hilarious, I'd want a shirt like that

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spacecadet 0 points 3 years ago

Yep no offense taken

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surewhynotlem -2 points 3 years ago

That's the point. It highlights how the lack of hundreds of years of oppression and murder matter to how things are interpreted.

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spacecadet 8 points 3 years ago

Assuming just because I’m white my ancestors haven’t experienced the same. Dude, read a book.

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Ado 1 point 3 years ago

Yes, you can see the ongoing oppression by all the white people stuck in reservations.

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omega_x3 17 points 3 years ago

I insist on being referred to as whitey mcwhitey face

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flambonkscious 2 points 3 years ago

Now that you mention it, that's kinda good.

Self deprecating and all

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Bruncvik 14 points 3 years ago

Not my first choice of a shirt, but I wouldn't mind wearing it.

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FlexibleToast 14 points 3 years ago

The edit is significantly worse. Now it's tied to the Simpsons and feels forced. Paleskins would be better than Paleface and the aggressively generic looking white guy of the previous logo was better.

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OceanSoap 6 points 3 years ago

Plus, that character is obviously yellow.

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ininewcrow 5 points 3 years ago

This got me thinking .... If anyone has access to AI generator of some sort... what would the resulting image be if you asked...

Stereotypical Caucasian man in cartoon style

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quaddo 3 points 3 years ago

Welp, I tried. The result (one of them, anyway) was of Trump on the t-shirt. Without prompting for it.

Edit: maybe one of these? I had to dance around the name a bit:

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ininewcrow 2 points 3 years ago

I'm on a sugar high from eating left over Halloween candy and I'm dying .... my heart is filtrating ... jesus

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samus12345 1 point 3 years ago

"Eat cake?" Where'd it get that from?

It's actually very telling that it can't really produce any decent white stereotypes. Shows how rarely they're mocked. It would have an embarrassment (literally) of riches to draw from with pretty much any other ethnic group.

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STUPIDVIPGUY 3 points 3 years ago

yeah I don't feel like the redskins logo was making fun of native people in the way this edit clearly is poking fun at white ppl, the issue with the use of 'redskin' is that it is an offensive term and that it is inappropriate for white people to use the likeness of a race they oppressed and killed as a mascot

but really, i don't think there is any fair comparison.

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Bytemeister 14 points 3 years ago

I think the team ought to keep the redskins name, but switch their mascot and logos to a bag of potatoes.

Also, love the shirt, although I think "white devils" or "invaders" would be a better insulting team name.

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SkyezOpen 11 points 3 years ago

Every third or fourth catholic school has a team named "crusaders" and I find that baffling.

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NikkiDimes 9 points 3 years ago

"Colonizers"

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JewGoblin -9 points 3 years ago
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rooster_butt 12 points 3 years ago

Why did this image get edited to a Simpsons character paleface instead of the original Caucasian?

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crystalmerchant 3 points 3 years ago

can someone pls link to the original?

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Diplomjodler 10 points 3 years ago

I don't feel insulted at all. Sorry.

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Grayox 10 points 3 years ago

That is what we call Privilege.

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R2DPru 9 points 3 years ago

With a capital P? It’s a proper noun?

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Buffaloaf 1 point 3 years ago
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Blamemeta -2 points 3 years ago

Its like Original Sin. You were born with it, you will die with it, you can only repent.

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RealFknNito -3 points 3 years ago

This is the world they fight for.

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Tb0n3 4 points 3 years ago

That's the proper reaction to racism. Indifference, jokes, mockery, and ridicule. We had it right in the '90s. Hate loses all its power when it's made the butt of the joke.

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Steeve 8 points 3 years ago

Lol no we didn't, you can't just laugh off institutional prejudice. I mean sure, go ahead and ignore the redneck spouting racist bullshit on twitter for your own mental health, but the 90s didn't make any great steps against disproportionate policing and brutality based on race, education inequality, or socioeconomic inequality. Those aren't "ignore it and it'll go away" problems.

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Tb0n3 -3 points 3 years ago

Changing culture is slow, but it has gone backwards by holding different races by different standards now instead of everyone the same.

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masquenox 1 point 3 years ago

We had it right in the '90s.

No, we didn't. Pretending that white supremacism would go away if we pretended it didn't exist has delivered the predictable outcome.

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charonn0 1 point 3 years ago
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cricket97 -5 points 3 years ago

yeah it's a privilege to be outraged about stupid shit

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eestileib 1 point 3 years ago

This is a perfect Rorshach/Newspeak statement: you'll either agree or be outraged depending on what you guess about the speaker's ideology.

I'm gonna assume OP agrees with me about _which things_are stupid and go on to enjoy my morning.

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Slotos -6 points 3 years ago

Privilege would be being insulted at this (as a white person).

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surewhynotlem -6 points 3 years ago

I can't believe you guys are really missing the point this hard. You're not supposed to be insulted. The fact that you're not insulted IS your white privilege. That's what it's highlighting. You're tripping over the point here.

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Buffalox 4 points 3 years ago

I strongly disagree, I grew up in a 100% white community in a 99% white country. In that situation there is no white privilege, because everybody is white.
And I see zero problem with that shirt. I don't see why anybody would wear it, usually that kind of shirt would be worn, because you agree with or even is a fan of what is depicted.

I wouldn't mind wearing a BLM shirt for instance, because no matter what you skin color is, it is a true statement.

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surewhynotlem 3 points 3 years ago

White privilege is the privilege of never having to think about your race or be impacted by it. You literally just defined it.

The shirt points that out. You have no problem with it.

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Buffalox 3 points 3 years ago

That's neither exclusive nor specifically for being white, lots of people of other skin colors don't have to worry about that, and aren't impacted by it. I have never heard anyone talk about yellow or white privilege for Japanese.

I'm not denying white privilege exists, but the fact that I don't mind a T-shirt saying Caucasian, is not a symptom of that IMO.
If I was a fan of Indian culture, and had a shirt with the name of a tribe, please explain why that would be offensive to an Indian?
Maybe then I can understand the point some people here are trying to make.

Edit:
I guess this could be related to some sports using Indian imagery, that is completely out of context, and could be perceived as cultural appropriation I guess. They are playing under a "false" banner. But we don't have that or anything similar in Europe AFAIK.

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eestileib 1 point 3 years ago
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RickRussell_CA 0 points 3 years ago

I strongly disagree, I grew up in a 100% white community in a 99% white country. In that situation there is no white privilege, because everybody is white.

Would you hold to the position that the white folks of your country didn't benefit from colonialism & exploitation of people elsewhere in the world, resulting in a significant positive effect on generational wealth? Were your social institutions, such as universities and churches, built without any input from colonial exploitation, or doing business with those who did exploit other races for profit?

Privilege isn't just about your local police treating you better than a brown person. It's also about your skin color opening doors to education, power, and wealth.

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Buffalox 4 points 3 years ago

Would you hold to the position that the white folks of your country didn’t benefit from colonialism & exploitation of people elsewhere in the world

Pretty much yes, our only possession of what could be called foreign land is Greenland, and that's a huge economic deficit.

But even if we still have some privileges from colonial powers, that does not change the fact of not being particularly privileged in the society I live in when growing up.
Meaning it hasn't formed my character on how I regard other people.

You could say I was privileged in not being under privileged or discriminated against. that in itself is of course of huge value. But not really a privilege compared to everyone I grew up with.

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charonn0 1 point 3 years ago
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themeatbridge -12 points 3 years ago

Right? Like, you should be honored that their mascot would be a guy who looks exactly like you. He does, he looks exactly like you. It's celebrating how your people were brave warriors who fought with honor despite being uncultured savages, and you should be proud to have your entire culture condensed into one easily imitated mascot. Also, you should be thrilled how they chant "Defense" to the tune of Amazing Grace and Ave Maria, you should love that because those are your songs. How could you possibly be insulted by such an honor?

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Wogi 18 points 3 years ago

Context is important here.

I wouldn't be offended at a team called Caucasians, filled entirely with Indian players. But I don't live in the same universe that Indian people do.

But maybe if white people made up 2% of the population, after being systematically eliminated by Indians to make use of our land, maybe if white people were relegated to the poorest, least productive areas of the country and told to be thankful for it, and maybe if the word Caucasian was kind of a rude way to refer to my skin color, I could see myself being offended at the idea.

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themeatbridge 1 point 3 years ago

This one's on me, because I was trying to make a point and be sarcastic at the same time.

While I agree with you, I'll quibble that context isn't actually important here. The point of the shirt, and the point I was trying to make, was that reducing an entire culture to a caricature is offensive in any context (regardless of whether or not you would it offensive). The people who defend using native imagery for sports mascots often claim that the portrayal is intended as an honor, and that they are celebrating the culture instead of demeaning it.

All of your points are correct, and each one compounds the offense. But even if you turn it around and use white people as the mascot, a people and culture who have not been systematically oppressed, deprived of life, liberty, and property, it's still an inherently prejudicial and ignorant thing to do. So any argument about how mascots are intended to promote or celebrate or honor a culture or a people still fails to justify the practice.

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PrinceHabib72 -15 points 3 years ago

It's hilarious that you're trying to defend Native Americans but call them "Indians".

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The_Biggest_Cum 13 points 3 years ago

It's one of the multiple accepted terms for them,I have personally known a family who preferred the term offer others

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Hyperreality 6 points 3 years ago

Some of the most racist and bigoted people, are also very politically correct.

Some of the least racist and bigoted people, are also very politically incorrect.

PC language is often used by people who are awkward around minorities or want to disguise their true intentions.

Political correctness has its place, but it's better to judge people by what they do or say, not how they say it.

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Wogi 5 points 3 years ago

Grew up near a res friendo, it was generally the preferred term. But tell me more about that horse you're on

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joel_feila 1 point 3 years ago

In the usa many do use the term Indian over native American. Not all it varries from place to place.

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oldGregg 1 point 3 years ago
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MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown 0 points 3 years ago

Baby steps…
Or maybe they are not familiar with sportsball teams and are confusing the logo with that of the Cleveland Indians.
I had to look it up.

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Candybar121 10 points 3 years ago

"kind of"

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phoenixz 9 points 3 years ago

Shouldn't that be white skins?

Either way, fine with me. I think we shouldn't make small things big issues, we got much MUCH bigger fish to fry

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CurlyMoustache 4 points 3 years ago

Foreskins

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Cosmicomical 8 points 3 years ago

When did caucasian become synonym of white? The caucasus is a small area between russia and the middle east, I'm not caucasian

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Taniwha420 5 points 3 years ago

Because the vast swathe of Indo-Europeans seem to have all originated from somewhere in this region ... If you're white, then a good chunk of your ancestors had something to do with the culture that expanded our of that region in the late Neolithic/early Bronze Age. Do you prefer the term Indo-European?

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Cosmicomical 1 point 3 years ago

Ok I think this falls in the "technically correct" basket, even though if you have to go so far back in time to find a common ancestor that the category ends up including two whole continents, i'm wondering what's the actual value of that information.

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GTG3000 8 points 3 years ago

The funniest part is that people from the caucasus are actually darker-skinned.

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DragonTypeWyvern 1 point 3 years ago

The indigenous palefaces got pushed out by Turkic conquerers, pray for their descendants 🙏

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BuddyTheBeefalo 8 points 3 years ago

Who is 'we'?

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Anamana 0 points 3 years ago

The white people of Lemmy.

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Lucidlethargy 5 points 3 years ago

This is fake. Just an FYI.

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Scotty_Trees 5 points 3 years ago

Any Paleface Swiss fans here?

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ThrowawayPermanente 4 points 3 years ago

They're not going to like this in Georgia

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JewGoblin 3 points 3 years ago
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elscallr 3 points 3 years ago

That would be Wisconsin

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jcdenton 1 point 3 years ago

One of my favorite images

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SpaS 1 point 3 years ago path: 0 4999646, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
Gabu 0 points 3 years ago

This doesn't really send out the message native bro thought it would send... it feels more like a "white power" sort of deal.

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aplomBomb -2 points 3 years ago

keep thinking small.... lil guy

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Surp -3 points 3 years ago

This is dumb

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DragonTypeWyvern 5 points 3 years ago

Should be up your alley then

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eating3645 1 point 3 years ago

I can feel the heat from that burn all the way over here

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Coreidan -8 points 3 years ago

NGL I’m a fan. Am I supposed to be offended? I’m not and the idea of people being offended by a sports team called “red skins” is silly.

Y’all soft as fuck.

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Bernie_Sandals 9 points 3 years ago

I think people like you way too often hear the word "offended" and imagine someone feeling a deep visceral and immediate uncomfortability with something.

That's usually not what most people mean exactly, though. Imagine if literally the only time your in-group was mentioned was to stereotype them. People know of your existence but not what you're actually like because it's been clouded with centuries of stereotypes. After a whole life experiencing this over and over and over you get annoyed and want to see other, actually realistic, representations, that's what this "offense" you mention is.

I mean, hell gamers and nerds get annoyed by stuff like Big Bang Theory, and that's sooooo much more trivial.

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Coreidan 0 points 3 years ago

Clearly they are offended if they went as far as demanding that their sport ball team change their name.

So yes they must be extremely offended and hurt.

Soft as fuck.

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Bernie_Sandals 1 point 3 years ago

Or they've spent their entire life seeing cartoonishly stupid depictions of their people around every corner and never anything realistic, and, they reasonably, would like it to stop?

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Coreidan 0 points 3 years ago

Seems like an awfully silly reason to demand your sports all team changes their logo. Just admit it. They are offended as fuck.

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Unsustainable -11 points 3 years ago

Why does nobody point out that they called THEMSELVES "Redskins", not because of the natural color of their skin, but because they would paint their faces red? I'm referring to the actual Reskins, not the football team. I swear, people get offended by shit because they don't understand and misinterpret things. Sure, if you Google it now, all you get are stories about how racist it is because that's the narrative they want to paint. Before all of this politically correct bullshit started it was understood where the name came from. It was something that was written about in books from the 1800s. It would be nice if people would learn to use actual sources for their information rather than Google and historians who weren't alive at the time. There are actual sources that explain all this. A source is someone who was actually there. I have a library of books from the early 1800's going forward. They are written by actual sources and contradict so much of what Google and politically motivated historians claim about numerous things. "Do your own research" doesn't mean "Google it". The Internet has made people lazy and easily manipulatable. I'm not saying I'm above it. I've fallen for the lies too. That's why I started collecting as many books as I could that explain history from the people who were there when it happened.

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EndlessApollo 2 points 3 years ago

Source?

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LittleTransPunk -3 points 3 years ago
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