*Paleskins
We're not all pink, Shran!

Me up in the stands (holding a bundle of fake money): CRA-CKERS! .... CRA-CKERS! .... (doing a tomahawk chop with the money) ... CRA-CKERS! .... CRA-CKERS!
Blue eyed devils, honkies, mayonnaise monkies, paleface (probably the most fitting as it's a slur of native American origin and fits the redskins theme), peckerwood, whitey, or white trash
Yeah, you’ll need to try harder than that. Most of us aren’t blue-eyed and a lot of us are too different from the white trash stereotype. Most importantly, none of these are offensive enough.
If I heard someone chanting “CRACKERS, CRACKERS, CRACKERS”, I’d probably join in and wonder what dip or cheese we’re having with that.
This is a great discussion here, so keep reading. My favorites in this thread are the native wearing the “paleface” t-shirt with “Cletus”, and the “Fighting Whiteys”. Well done!
Crackers has to be the nicest derogatory word. Crackers are delicious.
Well, it's short for whip crackers so maybe not that nice.
Eh, I don't think crackers quite works, just because the origin and use of the word compared to "Red Skins" has a slightly different context. I think "Red Necks" would have been a solid play on words, but obviously doesn't quite have the same racial connotations and history. Aside from whitey or cracker, I can't think of many other similar pejorative racial descriptors that'd really work though.
"Paleface" .... and show a picture of a buck toothed yokel
If you're using a bucktoothed yokel as your mascot, you're missing out on a solid "Red Necks" joke
Wouldn't work. Doesn't feel the same. Half of the country or more personally identifies as red neck, and proudly. If someone called me that, my first impulse would be a joking fist pump because one half of my family is that, yes.
Those that don't self-identify either jokingly or in seriousness wouldn't see the shirt as applying to themselves, so no part of it would land at all. They'd just giggle and agree like most people in this thread are doing.
Notwithstanding that the actual term redneck came about from the red handkerchiefs worn by workers during the Battle of Blair Mountain, an ongoing strike between unionized coal miners and local company towns that ended in anywhere from an estimated 20 - 100 dead. So again, fuck yeah my ass is a redneck.
Paleface.
Paleface does not have and has never had a good connotation. That one is different and nothing about the implicit reminder is fun. It's one of two whole terms in existence that would make me knee-jerk upset. I'm hoping against every experience I've had with a fairly disappointing race that nobody proudly refers to themselves in the open as Paleface.
Go with that one.
I prefer the Cleveland Colonizers
they probably changed the wording to avoid being too on-the-nose...
The Columbus Yakubians
Only real heads will get this.
This meme always bugged me because it's not an equivalent portrayal of what the actual real life team mascot displays (or had displayed for several decades .... but continues to display in many other leagues and communities and schools)
As an Indigenous person ... this is what Native mascot logos look like to me.

I want that tshirt so much!
I'm as white as the driven snow and English by the way.
"Some folk'll never lose a toe, but then again some folk'll. Like Cleetus, the pale faced yokel.
white as the driven snow

That's good ... but where I'm from in northern Ontario, we live in swamp country and we actually love winter because the land freezes over and we can freely travel over it ... in the summer we become land locked or stick to canoes and rivers ... but when winter arrives, we can go anywhere we want.
This guy seems a little more considerate than those he is mocking lol
They could also go with the original image with an assault rifle super imposed over it.
I want that tshirt so much!
I'm as white as the driven snow and English by the way.
"Some folk'll never lose a toe, but then again some folk'll. Like Cleetus, the pale faced yokel.
So... You're slush gray?
Scotsman here. If you find this shirt please let me know. I want to get one for each member of my family.

It took me an embarrassing amount of time of self reflection to edit that ... the whole time I was thinking ... will people think this is racist, am I racist, am I reverse-racist, is that a thing? Should I laugh at my culture? Is that allowed? Should I allow myself?
So I just burned some sweetgrass, waved my hands at the sun and hit reply
Its pointing out that "redskins" is offensive, but not being offensive to do it.
You could say being formal is itself another joke on top of the contrast, as "indigenous" or "first peoples" would be an equally stupid football team name as "Caucasians."
Yeah you're a lot more likely to get murdered walking around with the N word on your shirt than anything you'd think would offend a hillbilly.
Did you see the Top Gear episode where the lads went to the Deep South and got chased by red necks cos their car had Hilary Clinton and gay sex painted on the sides?
.. Yes, where they went out of their way to find the most reactive prone town they could, gave their very best shot to stir up animosity, and still left without incident aside from some verbal threats. Even then that was politically charged and had nothing to do with their race.
Paleface is an equivalent "slur" as an insult of Native origin.
Cock Asians
lol ... I'm Ojibway-Cree from northern Ontario in Canada ... born and bred Indigenous and speak my own language
My family friends and I had a hell of laugh a few years ago when Heinz announced it's new mayonnaise sauce - Mayochup ... some weird combination of mayonnaise and ketchup
In English it sounds like nothing ... but in Cree, Ojibway and Ojibway-Cree ... it translates as 'shit face' ...
Mayo-chup ... literally means 'shit face' in my language
Isn't that what you do at a good course anyways?
Get shit faced
That. Is fucking amazing. 🤣🤘🏼
I'm a whiteskin and I'd wear it.
It would hit a little different if you wore it
I'm pretty sure if a white person wears it, it might be taken as a more white power thing than a mocking thing. I think it would be hilarious to wear, but I don't want to send the wrong message.
This one is more clear about being a spoof:

EDIT: Some alternative takes:





Yeah this is hilarious, I'd want a shirt like that
Yep no offense taken
That's the point. It highlights how the lack of hundreds of years of oppression and murder matter to how things are interpreted.
Assuming just because I’m white my ancestors haven’t experienced the same. Dude, read a book.
Now that you mention it, that's kinda good.
Self deprecating and all
The edit is significantly worse. Now it's tied to the Simpsons and feels forced. Paleskins would be better than Paleface and the aggressively generic looking white guy of the previous logo was better.
This got me thinking .... If anyone has access to AI generator of some sort... what would the resulting image be if you asked...
Stereotypical Caucasian man in cartoon style
I'm on a sugar high from eating left over Halloween candy and I'm dying .... my heart is filtrating ... jesus
"Eat cake?" Where'd it get that from?
It's actually very telling that it can't really produce any decent white stereotypes. Shows how rarely they're mocked. It would have an embarrassment (literally) of riches to draw from with pretty much any other ethnic group.
"Eat cake?" Where'd it get that from?
I fed it that term. It didn't like when I used "Caucasian" or "paleface".
yeah I don't feel like the redskins logo was making fun of native people in the way this edit clearly is poking fun at white ppl, the issue with the use of 'redskin' is that it is an offensive term and that it is inappropriate for white people to use the likeness of a race they oppressed and killed as a mascot
but really, i don't think there is any fair comparison.
I think the team ought to keep the redskins name, but switch their mascot and logos to a bag of potatoes.
Also, love the shirt, although I think "white devils" or "invaders" would be a better insulting team name.
"Colonizers"
Why did this image get edited to a Simpsons character paleface instead of the original Caucasian?
can someone pls link to the original?
I don't feel insulted at all. Sorry.
This is the world they fight for.

Lol no we didn't, you can't just laugh off institutional prejudice. I mean sure, go ahead and ignore the redneck spouting racist bullshit on twitter for your own mental health, but the 90s didn't make any great steps against disproportionate policing and brutality based on race, education inequality, or socioeconomic inequality. Those aren't "ignore it and it'll go away" problems.
This is a perfect Rorshach/Newspeak statement: you'll either agree or be outraged depending on what you guess about the speaker's ideology.
I'm gonna assume OP agrees with me about _which things_are stupid and go on to enjoy my morning.
I can't believe you guys are really missing the point this hard. You're not supposed to be insulted. The fact that you're not insulted IS your white privilege. That's what it's highlighting. You're tripping over the point here.
I strongly disagree, I grew up in a 100% white community in a 99% white country. In that situation there is no white privilege, because everybody is white.
And I see zero problem with that shirt. I don't see why anybody would wear it, usually that kind of shirt would be worn, because you agree with or even is a fan of what is depicted.
I wouldn't mind wearing a BLM shirt for instance, because no matter what you skin color is, it is a true statement.
White privilege is the privilege of never having to think about your race or be impacted by it. You literally just defined it.
The shirt points that out. You have no problem with it.
That's neither exclusive nor specifically for being white, lots of people of other skin colors don't have to worry about that, and aren't impacted by it. I have never heard anyone talk about yellow or white privilege for Japanese.
I'm not denying white privilege exists, but the fact that I don't mind a T-shirt saying Caucasian, is not a symptom of that IMO.
If I was a fan of Indian culture, and had a shirt with the name of a tribe, please explain why that would be offensive to an Indian?
Maybe then I can understand the point some people here are trying to make.
Edit:
I guess this could be related to some sports using Indian imagery, that is completely out of context, and could be perceived as cultural appropriation I guess. They are playing under a "false" banner. But we don't have that or anything similar in Europe AFAIK.
I strongly disagree, I grew up in a 100% white community in a 99% white country. In that situation there is no white privilege, because everybody is white.
Would you hold to the position that the white folks of your country didn't benefit from colonialism & exploitation of people elsewhere in the world, resulting in a significant positive effect on generational wealth? Were your social institutions, such as universities and churches, built without any input from colonial exploitation, or doing business with those who did exploit other races for profit?
Privilege isn't just about your local police treating you better than a brown person. It's also about your skin color opening doors to education, power, and wealth.
Would you hold to the position that the white folks of your country didn’t benefit from colonialism & exploitation of people elsewhere in the world
Pretty much yes, our only possession of what could be called foreign land is Greenland, and that's a huge economic deficit.
But even if we still have some privileges from colonial powers, that does not change the fact of not being particularly privileged in the society I live in when growing up.
Meaning it hasn't formed my character on how I regard other people.
You could say I was privileged in not being under privileged or discriminated against. that in itself is of course of huge value. But not really a privilege compared to everyone I grew up with.
Right? Like, you should be honored that their mascot would be a guy who looks exactly like you. He does, he looks exactly like you. It's celebrating how your people were brave warriors who fought with honor despite being uncultured savages, and you should be proud to have your entire culture condensed into one easily imitated mascot. Also, you should be thrilled how they chant "Defense" to the tune of Amazing Grace and Ave Maria, you should love that because those are your songs. How could you possibly be insulted by such an honor?
Context is important here.
I wouldn't be offended at a team called Caucasians, filled entirely with Indian players. But I don't live in the same universe that Indian people do.
But maybe if white people made up 2% of the population, after being systematically eliminated by Indians to make use of our land, maybe if white people were relegated to the poorest, least productive areas of the country and told to be thankful for it, and maybe if the word Caucasian was kind of a rude way to refer to my skin color, I could see myself being offended at the idea.
This one's on me, because I was trying to make a point and be sarcastic at the same time.
While I agree with you, I'll quibble that context isn't actually important here. The point of the shirt, and the point I was trying to make, was that reducing an entire culture to a caricature is offensive in any context (regardless of whether or not you would it offensive). The people who defend using native imagery for sports mascots often claim that the portrayal is intended as an honor, and that they are celebrating the culture instead of demeaning it.
All of your points are correct, and each one compounds the offense. But even if you turn it around and use white people as the mascot, a people and culture who have not been systematically oppressed, deprived of life, liberty, and property, it's still an inherently prejudicial and ignorant thing to do. So any argument about how mascots are intended to promote or celebrate or honor a culture or a people still fails to justify the practice.
It's hilarious that you're trying to defend Native Americans but call them "Indians".
It's one of the multiple accepted terms for them,I have personally known a family who preferred the term offer others
Some of the most racist and bigoted people, are also very politically correct.
Some of the least racist and bigoted people, are also very politically incorrect.
PC language is often used by people who are awkward around minorities or want to disguise their true intentions.
Political correctness has its place, but it's better to judge people by what they do or say, not how they say it.
In the usa many do use the term Indian over native American. Not all it varries from place to place.
Baby steps…
Or maybe they are not familiar with sportsball teams and are confusing the logo with that of the Cleveland Indians.
I had to look it up.
"kind of"
Foreskins
When did caucasian become synonym of white? The caucasus is a small area between russia and the middle east, I'm not caucasian
Because the vast swathe of Indo-Europeans seem to have all originated from somewhere in this region ... If you're white, then a good chunk of your ancestors had something to do with the culture that expanded our of that region in the late Neolithic/early Bronze Age. Do you prefer the term Indo-European?
Ok I think this falls in the "technically correct" basket, even though if you have to go so far back in time to find a common ancestor that the category ends up including two whole continents, i'm wondering what's the actual value of that information.
The indigenous palefaces got pushed out by Turkic conquerers, pray for their descendants 🙏
Who is 'we'?
This is fake. Just an FYI.
Any Paleface Swiss fans here?
They're not going to like this in Georgia
Should be up your alley then
I can feel the heat from that burn all the way over here
I think people like you way too often hear the word "offended" and imagine someone feeling a deep visceral and immediate uncomfortability with something.
That's usually not what most people mean exactly, though. Imagine if literally the only time your in-group was mentioned was to stereotype them. People know of your existence but not what you're actually like because it's been clouded with centuries of stereotypes. After a whole life experiencing this over and over and over you get annoyed and want to see other, actually realistic, representations, that's what this "offense" you mention is.
I mean, hell gamers and nerds get annoyed by stuff like Big Bang Theory, and that's sooooo much more trivial.
Or they've spent their entire life seeing cartoonishly stupid depictions of their people around every corner and never anything realistic, and, they reasonably, would like it to stop?
Why does nobody point out that they called THEMSELVES "Redskins", not because of the natural color of their skin, but because they would paint their faces red? I'm referring to the actual Reskins, not the football team. I swear, people get offended by shit because they don't understand and misinterpret things. Sure, if you Google it now, all you get are stories about how racist it is because that's the narrative they want to paint. Before all of this politically correct bullshit started it was understood where the name came from. It was something that was written about in books from the 1800s. It would be nice if people would learn to use actual sources for their information rather than Google and historians who weren't alive at the time. There are actual sources that explain all this. A source is someone who was actually there. I have a library of books from the early 1800's going forward. They are written by actual sources and contradict so much of what Google and politically motivated historians claim about numerous things. "Do your own research" doesn't mean "Google it". The Internet has made people lazy and easily manipulatable. I'm not saying I'm above it. I've fallen for the lies too. That's why I started collecting as many books as I could that explain history from the people who were there when it happened.
Source?
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It should say "Whiteskins" instead
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