Stolen from Deltachat
Yeah, very sorry that this app is Windows only, would love to switch to Mac
3 years ago by Pantherina to c/linuxmemes
mesamunefire 37 points 3 years ago
No joke, most of my games work better on Linux because of proton than my Windows box. Such a nice experience.
Flaky 8 points 3 years ago
Same here. Linux just need rolling gameplay recording and better controller support (steering wheels for one) and for me it'd be set. I know Decky has it for the Steam Deck but I haven't seen one for desktop that works fine on Wayland.
Schumi 4 points 3 years ago
Have a rather „expensive“ sim racing rig and would love to switch over to Linux again. But it’s simply a niche in a niche so I don’t expect any surprises in the near future. Too bad
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moomoomoo309 12 points 3 years ago
Actually, EAC has a Proton-compatible build, the devs just have to use it. It's not a hard switch, they just have to choose to allow Linux compatibility, which most devs (well, really it's probably an exec level decision) do not.
SorryQuick 5 points 3 years ago
In black desert’s case, there’s no chance they would ever allow anyone to play without a kernel anti cheat, which EAC doesn’t allow on linux. The game is literally all grind, if bots could run on linux it would absolutely ravage the already shit economy.
pearsche 2 points 3 years ago
it doesnt seem to be that way, https://www.gamingonlinux.com/...
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MonkderZweite 1 point 3 years ago
Modding can be an issue though.
Btw, does Wallabag work now on Linux?
And i don't get Reshade since 5.* to work in wine/proton anymore?
Default_Defect 16 points 3 years ago
I have never ever seen this on my windows install.
ShitOnABrick 14 points 3 years ago
Just disable everything I don't get this on my pc
SuddenDownpour 3 points 3 years ago
The very first thing you have to do when you start to use a new Windows or phone is to spend an hour or two disabling all the bullshit options.
hydroel 1 point 3 years ago
I'm also surprised that people see this kind of ads: I haven't seen any since I removed Outlook free (after Windows prompted me to switch because the older UWP Mail app was being retired). I'm always surprised when people complain about the number of ads they get in Windows.
But that's not the point: the point is no paid software should contain any ad.
c0mbatbag3l 13 points 3 years ago
I've never once seen this, is it W11?
AnUnusualRelic 1 point 3 years ago
I think it's much more agressive in some territories. I'm in Europe an I never saw it either.
Otoh, I don't boot windows very often, maybe once a month.
MajorHavoc 9 points 3 years ago
Yeah. I was literally just talking about how my SteamDeck is going to let me retire my remaining Windows PC. And by retire it, I mean install Linux, and continue to enjoy it.
onlinepersona 2 points 3 years ago
No, but you can call yourself a gamer.
Adonnen 87 points 3 years ago
I much prefer Windows to MacOS. The fact it is missing decent tiling is a nonstarter. It's too inflexible for my workflow.
And sure, Windows can be maddeningly inconsistent, but what really destroys the experience is the constant ensh*ttification. I know a lot of people here hate everything about Windows, but for me, it only sucks because Microsoft designs it to suck.
Not only are there ads and (some) first party lockin, I cannot trust they will continue offering updates, paywall feaures, restrict more functionality, or insert stuff like AI to mess up my workflow.
I used to think reliability was just about stability and bugginess, but now I think it is about trust as well.
lobut 19 points 3 years ago
I use Amethyst on Mac for tiling: https://ianyh.com/amethyst/.
Not sure if that's what you meant though.
Unreliable 12 points 3 years ago
Yabai works pretty well even with SIP enabled and there's a new one called AeroSpace that's in the works.
jennraeross 6 points 3 years ago
Thanks for the tip, aerospace looks to be exactly what I've been looking for for a long time #^-^#
pineapplelover 5 points 3 years ago
Let's hope you don't
bane_killgrind 8 points 3 years ago
I'm searching for some document on my work PC and I see ads in my start menu, like what the fuck?
Can somebody exploit that already so they get rid of it
mrvictory1 2 points 2 years ago
macOS 15 will have tiling. At last lol
rottingleaf 3 points 3 years ago
There have been Linux distributions certified as Unix in the past.
When people say "Unix", they usually could care less about certification.
I'd still say that BSDs are Unix and Linux isn't due to, say, kernels of Solaris and FreeBSD having some traces of similar architecture, while Linux is a completely different thing.
Hasuris 2 points 3 years ago
MacOS has no proper UI scaling for example. Something windows had for... I don't know, ever? It was never an issue for me.
For MacOS you need a little extra tool you stumble upon after hours of debugging that teels your MacOS what resolutions your display actually supports so MacOS grants you the option of your desired HiDPI resolution.
It's stuff like this that drives me mad when dealing with the fucking Mac I am forced to use at work.
Syldon 2 points 3 years ago
There is always going to be pros and cons when it comes to UI. Since Mac comes with a set size monitor, I can understand why there is little support for it. Although, as someone who needs PC glasses, it is a big remiss to not cater for disabilities.
ReveredOxygen 2 points 3 years ago
At least it's unix
Lucidlethargy 60 points 3 years ago
Lol, is this meme for real? Most mac users would never touch Linux. Like, yes, they are both based on Unix... But come on now, this is just intellectually dishonest.
Most Mac users, in my experience, have no idea how to operate anything without an apple logo on it.
TotallynotJessica 31 points 3 years ago
Linux users are the homeowners who build and fix everything they can, but look down on people that don't find craftsmanship fun, claiming that they're saving money by doing the work themselves. Good on you for having that hobby, but if you don't enjoy it, spending time to learn those skills costs time that could be spent earning more money than you'd save. Paying an expert to do things you don't enjoy is usually the cheaper option. They can be found almost anywhere, similar to how Linux users use Apple or windows products from time to time.
Mac users are suburb dwellers who view their way of life as what everyone should aspire to, ignorant to the downsides of sprawl and reliance on cars to go anywhere. Commute times suck, while walkable neighborhoods with public transit make most people healthier and happier. There's an important classist component, often bundled with racism, that underscores this ideal.
Windows users are people that live in urban areas for work, trying to find reasonable rent or home prices as unchecked capitalism makes everything worse, but unaware why things suck. They get annoyed when people share their passion for handiwork, and dislike suburban folks for thinking they're superior rather than the downsides to suburban life. However, because most people live this way, and live this way for work, they usually don't have strong identities like suburbanites or handy homeowners.
Homeless people are those who can't afford computers, overlapping with actual homeless people, and rural people are those that don't use computers more than they need to, socializing face to face and literally touching grass.
Smokeydope 8 points 3 years ago
This is a very interesting analogy, thanks for sharing
CynicRaven 4 points 3 years ago
They're totally, definitely, absolutely not Jessica!
storcholus 11 points 3 years ago
I think it still works. The user you describe doesn't care about Linux, they just don't like windows. So they would not wash their hands
little_hermit 3 points 3 years ago
A lot of software development in a corporate environment is using a Mac as the host. Not to say it's the target build env. So id say some Mac users know Linux far better than you think. In my experience.
kamenlady 3 points 3 years ago
Some, that's the point
Where i work, we all use macs. I'm the only developer and all others are designers.
They all look at me very oddly, when i open a terminal on their Mac and change some settings from there. They check if my changes are working and still keep that look, like if I've done something strange to their mac lol
little_hermit 1 point 3 years ago
My Mac is such a slow piece of shit on Mac OS that it's nearly unusable without installing Linux.
rottingleaf 1 point 3 years ago
Generally I agree, but specifically a little fact - the most qualified person at my work is a Mac user.
merc 52 points 3 years ago
MacOS is still Unix under the hood, and has been since they adapted NeXTSTEP.
Maybe it's just because I'm fundamentally more of a console user than a windowing-system user, but to me a Unix-based OS is always going to be a winner compared to Windows.
But, if you want to laugh at OSes, laugh at classic MacOS, where everything would grind to a halt if you clicked and held the mouse button.
netchami 20 points 3 years ago
Maybe it’s just because I’m fundamentally more of a console user than a windowing-system user, but to me a Unix-based OS is always going to be a winner compared to Windows.
I absolutely agree
But, if you want to laugh at OSes, laugh at classic MacOS
Or some weird old Unixes like AIX
HelloHotel 1 point 3 years ago
Ahhh! The sweet taste of hardware and software flaws. (Every platform had them lol)
MacNCheezus 13 points 3 years ago
This. I'm not sure why more people don't know this, but macOS is actually UNIX certified. Linux isn't.
MacNCheezus 5 points 3 years ago
Yes, I know. That's why it's always kinda funny when you see Linux users shitting on MacOS for not being UNIX enough for their taste.
Octopus1348 1 point 3 years ago
And that's part of what I like about it. I know how to operate in the terminal and it's the same in all Unix OSes.
netchami 2 points 3 years ago
It's one of the reasons I absolutely hate Windows. Nearly every OS uses some form of Unix. Android is Linux, iOS is based on XNU which is FreeBSD, macOS is also XNU, Linux is unix-like, all BSDs are Unix, even the OS used in the PS4 is FreeBSD and thus Unix. Windows is the only thing that's different.
doingthestuff 38 points 3 years ago
All three are shit. You can't change my mind.
greedytacothief 46 points 3 years ago
They all suck in their own unique way! For me I can tolerate the way Linux sucks, and for others it's something else. But I think we can all agree that bitching about operating systems is great catharsis.
ricecake 28 points 3 years ago
Mac won't let me do what I want, and offers no explanation and the forums are filled with people telling me why what I want is wrong.
Windows has a way to do it, but it's hidden behind 17 menus from 8 eras if UI design, and it just won't shut the fuck up and listen to me. It has needless animations for everything, and trys so hard to be friendly that it's just infuriating.
Linux let's me do the thing. It gives no directions on how to do the thing, and if I do it wrong, it doesn't even tell me that things are fucked until six months later when I discover I accidentally told it to write the kernel logs to the bootloader and everything is on fire.
I prefer punching myself in the gonads to being called stupid or jerked around, so that's why I use Linux.
rockandsock 2 points 3 years ago
The sycophants angrily questioning why I want to do something my own way on the equipment I paid for was the most bizarro world thing, I ended up getting rid of that Mac in large part because of that type of attitude on the forums.
Acters 7 points 3 years ago
This is why KVM/QEMU with virtio drivers are massively helpful in using windows specific software without needing to dualboot on short notice. Proton also helps run many games on Linux, which is Windows only. Too bad the biggest strength is also a weakness. It's just a pain to set up and figure out problems that will happen from inexperience
froop 6 points 3 years ago
Linux sucks for natural reasons. It's easy to tolerate because it's not trying to fuck with you, it's just a consequence of being a hodgepodge of software written by nerds for nerds. Windows sucks for malicious reasons. Microsoft is intentionally making it worse, to make more money, and that pisses me off. MacOS sucks because it assumes you're an idiot, and wants to protect itself from you. I may be an idiot, but that shouldn't stop me from breaking my own machine, god damnit!
Smokeydope 2 points 3 years ago
Filthy enlightened centrist! how dare you not pick a side and point out that all sides are equally terrible in their own special ways!
greedytacothief 1 point 3 years ago
Don't worry, Linux is still the best. But you have to get people thinking about how they use their operating system before you can get them to see the light.
I'm just playing the long game... I hope.
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Smokeydope 3 points 3 years ago
Im willing to bet someone sometime will have the balls to fork templeos and turn it into an actually usable distro on par with bsd, mark my words
pipows 15 points 3 years ago
I use linux for programming and learn to enjoy everything being 3x harder than needed (Stockholm's syndrome), but it's not like it's good
I use Windows for gaming (I could use linux to do it, but windows is easier), but it's not like it's any good
I won't be paying whatever 4 months worth of my income on a MacBook, so it's not like it matters if macOS is any good
pipows 8 points 3 years ago
I can't tell if you're middle income
I'm from Brazil. I didn't know this term, but quick googling shows me that Brazil is an upper-middle-income country.
I make around R$ 3620 ($740 USD) per month, a more than average income in Brazil. A MacBook Air M2 15" comes for R$ 15000 ($3069 USD).
vivadanang 7 points 3 years ago
I just vomit at the idea that they're making these laptops with ram soldered in. unupgradable garbage you have to pay ridiculous premiums for.
helpmyusernamewontfi 2 points 3 years ago
bu bu but its "Apple Unifed Memory" and 8GB of that equals to 16GB of regular ram!!1!
sheogorath 0 points 3 years ago
Sadly if you're doing mobile app work Macs are mandatory.
Bytemeister 8 points 3 years ago
Walled garden starting to look a lot like a padlocked cell...
sheogorath 0 points 3 years ago
Tell me how to make iOS apps on Linux
little_hermit 1 point 3 years ago
Downvoters scoff at iPhone users.
rottingleaf 2 points 3 years ago
My experience is the same, but still it's a Unix-like system. People who fear Linux may do Unix-like things with it. It's worth something.
rottingleaf 0 points 3 years ago
Certification is irrelevant really. There are Linux distribution releases which have been certified, just like MacOS.
SpaceCadet 1 point 3 years ago
Yeah, but none of the system tools and applications follow Unix-like paradigms, so it's really only Unix-like in name. Sure you can launch a bash or zsh shell, but there aren't a lot of useful things you can do with that without installing a bunch of third party tools like brew, so the experience isn't all that different from having to install Cygwin or WSL in Windows.
rottingleaf 1 point 3 years ago
Yeah, but none of the system tools and applications follow Unix-like paradigms,
Eh, WTF? It has normal Unix-like userland tools.
but there aren’t a lot of useful things you can do with that without installing a bunch of third party tools like brew
You can't do much without a package manager under Linux either.
Homebrew, macports, pkgsrc etc are all just ports collections, like the FreeBSD one. A pretty Unixy kind of thing to use, more so than apt or yum.
I hate Apple GUI, but technically it's almost as good as Linux to use.
SpaceCadet 1 point 3 years ago
Eh, WTF? It has normal Unix-like userland tools.
You don't understand what I mean.
I mean that you can't really do much with those userland tools to effectively manage and configure your system. All configuration is abstracted away in a forest of xml files (i.e. /Library/Preferences) that's as opaque and undocumented as the Windows registry and which you're not supposed to touch other than with the approved GUI tools.
MacOS applications never follow Unix principles either regarding file placement.
So yeah while MacOS technically still is "Unix", it really is a giant monolithic blob of shite built on top of the skeleton of what once was a decent Unix.
mac 1 point 3 years ago
Arguably Arch Linux also lacks proper Window management. The idea of macOS is to give you a solid base which is stable, functional and looks good. Then you can add your own window management type on top whether you want a Windows style one like magnet or a tiling one like amethyst.
laurelraven 30 points 3 years ago
Missing the third hand for Windows users
possiblylinux127 28 points 3 years ago
Honestly MacOS is not great. At least with windows machines you can boot into a live system.
Honytawk 36 points 3 years ago
And have actual control over the OS.
Seriously, if Apple decides an app is too old, then it flat out doesn't work. No way to prevent updating either unless it is basically without internet.
Linuxians like to complain about not being able to control Windows, but Mac is like a hundred times worse in that regard. Not to mention ads to all those Apple software on there.
c0mbatbag3l 23 points 3 years ago
Apple: "Sorry but your hardware seems to be out of date with our OS! Please buy another 3000 dollar laptop that's only worth 1000!"
Me: "But it still runs?"
Apple: "Does it, though?"
Me: "Well not anymore... Thanks."
onlinepersona 13 points 3 years ago
Not to defend Apple, but doesn't windows 11 demand you buy new hardware for it to be installed? Something about a TPM?
c0mbatbag3l 18 points 3 years ago
Does Windows still allow your applications to function update after update if you decide to stick with Windows 10? Yes. Can you just stay on W10 and expect things to keep working? Also yes.
I don't have to worry about the newest version of Adobe Premiere not being compatible with this older version of iOS, oops now our promo team and our production team aren't able to share their files because one bought newer Macs and now has an upgraded version of Adobe that Catalina doesn't support unless you also buy new machines that are allowed to update through to Monterey.
Apple is fine for home use, but as someone who works operations side IT and has to constantly perform network workarounds to get their equipment functional in a commercial environment, fuck Apple and their "We did the thinking for you uwu™️" nonsense.
aBundleOfFerrets 5 points 3 years ago
You can turn that off (unofficially) no such luck on mac
bdonvr 4 points 3 years ago
They update Macs for a good 8 years or so, which isn't that bad really. Then you can often just install newer versions with community tools after that.
Edit: I haven't had one in a few years, apparently that's not quite true recently as they're trying to drop x86 support and move everything to ARM
bdonvr 10 points 3 years ago
What on earth are you on about? You're completely in control of updates and you can enable the root account and do whatever you want. It's still UNIX.
Are you talking about iOS/iPadOS? macOS is nothing like this and I have no idea what you're on about.
mac 1 point 3 years ago
Yeah I think most people have experienced an iPad or iPhone but not a Mac so they assume it's the same walled garden. What they don't realise is Mac has been a solid choice for power users, developers and creators of all varieties for over 10 years, this means the community and app selection is honestly ridiculously good.
stufkes 4 points 3 years ago
This. Been using Windows since 95 and Linux since 2008. Mac is the only thing I tried twice (for two years each) and I just cannot get past this mobile-feeling of not being able to customise basic stuff. Mac GUI is not intuitive for me. It's good that people that like it can use it. It's bad that I don't have any choice as soon as I am on Apple hardware. I find this meme completely tone deaf. The issue with mac isn't that it lacks Unix features, it's everything else.
mac 1 point 3 years ago
The only place I've ever seen ads on my MacBook is in the App Store, the iCloud section of settings and on Apple's website, all of which it makes sense for the adverts to exist. Oh wait I may have seen one as a precursor to a YouTube video but sans ad-blocker that is standing regards of OS.
model_tar_gz 26 points 3 years ago
Mac users are at the sink right next to them also washing their hands. We don’t talk about the nasty things Linux users do with their hands.
fakeman_pretendname 32 points 3 years ago
Are Mac users compatible with normal sinks and water or do they need an adapter?
model_tar_gz 6 points 3 years ago
Apple will happily sell you a MagSafe dongle to dangle in the sink beside your neighbor.
Default_Defect 4 points 3 years ago
Adapter, unless the EU forced them to change that.
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model_tar_gz 19 points 3 years ago
Yeah seriously. I don’t show anyone my bash history. That’s nastay.
Kedly 24 points 3 years ago
I cant wait to fully abandon windows with my next tower (Already on Linux with my deck) but MacOS is FAR MORE cancer than M$, part of the issue with M$ is it keeps trying to be more and more like Apple
2 edits: I think someone replied to this and then blocked me (or someone I've blocked replied to me somehow) as apparently theres a response to this but I cant see it nor have I been notified
And
Damn, a lot of you apparently want a mega corp have complete control over what what your operating system looks like/does/what accessories you can buy for it if you think Apple is in anyway better than Microsoft. I thought the whole point of jumping to linux was freedom, you have LESS freedom with macs than with PC's
lseif 20 points 3 years ago
in my opinion:
software: mac/osx >> windows
community/environment: windows/microsoft >> mac/apple
if we're solely talking about how good the os is, i would have to say mac. but considering everything else, i would prefer windows
GravitySpoiled 20 points 3 years ago
Windows > macos
turbowafflz 35 points 3 years ago
I thought this until I actually tried windows, it just doesn't work right ever and feels so weird and old. I wouldn't use macos, but it's fine, it feels competently made and for the most part makes sense.
RupeThereItIs 18 points 3 years ago
All Apple products are designed for people who don't use technology.
They hide the useful bits so people don't hurt themselves.
It's the Duplo of computing.
scottyjoe9 24 points 3 years ago
There are plenty of developers who use macs for work, me included. I mainly go with Mac for the build quality/battery life/performance though and also because my work pays for it so I don't need to worry about the exorbitant price. I would agree that MacOS is pretty janky at times and it requires a few third party apps to be reasonable usable.
But I'm not really sure what you mean by useful bits? I don't feel like I'm really restricted in MacOS. If there isn't a UI element for something, you can probably adjust it in a terminal.
GissaMittJobb 14 points 3 years ago
What a ridiculously ignorant position to have. Do you even know how common it is for developers to run macOS?
You're aware that there's Unix underneath the pretty polish as well, right?
Pantherina 0 points 3 years ago
Extracting archives on Windows... LOL
I havent done that on Win11 though
CowsLookLikeMaps 5 points 3 years ago
Windows ≅ macos
Pantherina -10 points 3 years ago
Yup, it is simply so lost and uncontrolled that I could totally live in it and replace the garbage software with something else.
alsaaas 19 points 3 years ago
I will always choose Windows over Mac, if I have to. Using MacOS is infuriating on so many levels, I'd rather give myself the bullet (which doesn't mean much tbh). At least I can ameliorate Windows for my VMs (in case of apps not working on Wine) which makes it ok to use
I know that this is irrational and I try to not let it influence my perception of people, but my brain is usually wired to "Mac user detected: technical opinion discarded"
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WeLoveCastingSpellz 16 points 3 years ago
Linux > windows 10 > Windows 11 > MacOS is my experience, I just can't stand apple and their walled gardens. I hate that they try to force me to use their shitty cloud and prevent me from installing third party apps. Windows 11 hhurts my eyes. And as a W10 refugee that's gotten used to linux, I think its tolarable
ozymandias117 17 points 3 years ago
The walled garden makes sense on the phone, but I’m not clear what you’re thinking of for macOS
I just went to videolan.org and libreoffice.org over Thanksgiving to download and install them on my cousin’s MacBook
WeLoveCastingSpellz 5 points 3 years ago
I have to click through ten million pop ups to have macOS "trust" it. It makes me hate myself
WeLoveCastingSpellz 2 points 3 years ago
oh I would love to learn what that command is
WeLoveCastingSpellz 1 point 3 years ago
Actually no. Not really. Also there is no more braindead argument than "I hate all of x equally". Form a real fucking opinion
AphoticDev -1 points 3 years ago
I'm an Android fan, but I do like the walled garden for iPhones. There are so many people who just do not understand how to protect their privacy online, and phones are a treasure trove of personal information. I've no doubt that the tight controls on iOS have saved many people from identity theft due to their own negligence. That, combined with the ease of use and the superior accessibility features over Android makes iPhone the better choice for older generations who don't understand technology as well.
possiblylinux127 7 points 3 years ago
The problem is that you are trusting Apple completely.
AphoticDev 2 points 3 years ago
I'm not trusting Apple at all, I exclusively use degoogled Android.
nekusoul 3 points 3 years ago
I would agree that a reasonably locked down device helps certain audiences stay secure, but to me that always sounds like a convenient excuse. Surely they could at least implement some way to regain control, even if that meant having to unlock the boot-loader and flashing the device, which is not something your average person would/could do.
fl42v 1 point 3 years ago
In my experience, win 8.1 < win 10: less CPU and ram hogging, less telemetry, and overall less frustration. Although, yeah, you'd have to replace metro crap with something less tablet-oriented.
Alternatively, server editions are OK.
fl42v 1 point 3 years ago
Well, duh. Kinda funny how windows server is a better desktop windows than a regular windows. Basically, you get less candy_crush-like crap plus only security updates, as far as I remember. But yeah, there are different unnecessary features (unless you're in the corporate environment, ofc)
Although, I'm not really sure nowadays since I haven't used windows for a few years 😅
mac 1 point 3 years ago
Honestly you can use a Mac perfectly well without ever signing into iCloud + you don't get prompted to sign in ever really unless you click on a feature that requires iCloud like the iCloud tab in settings.
You can even use the apps like mail without ever signing into iCloud.
fleet 16 points 3 years ago
For me, they both suck. I've been on Linux for close to 10 years now and continue to enjoy it more and more.
However, I will say, that if I need to recommend a computer to somebody who knows nothing about computers and doesn't want to know anything, I will recommend Apple. I die a little inside each time though, knowing about their right to repair and privacy policies.
dewritoninja 13 points 3 years ago
I would never recommend an apple computer unless it's for audio production. Getting one fixed is a nightmare
librechad -6 points 3 years ago
Honestly, if y'all would help your friend out with Linux they might be interested. If you just write down a note for them with the most basic commands for Debian, they would be okay.
DE: Use GNOME
Partiton layout: Use default /home for everything, don't make seperate partitions for /root, /var, etc.
Add their user(s) to the sudoers file
CTRL+ALT+T to open the command line
Basic commands:
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade
Install Flatpak, and bookmark Flathub in their browser. That should be good enough and honestly anyone could figure this out.
librechad 5 points 3 years ago
Be a good neighbor and teach them then. It's not as hard as most people think it is. I've taught my mom, grandma, and friend how to use Linux before. My grandma uses Debian daily and she only had experience with computers by playing those online casino sites. Now she does it in full freedom and now I saved her some extra dough to throw into becoming a online casino addict! Yay grandma!
TopRamenBinLaden 2 points 3 years ago
Commander Keen, ftw.
OtakuAltair 4 points 3 years ago
Same lmao, but for both my grandparents
They still haven't noticed anything different.
OtakuAltair 3 points 3 years ago
You gravely underestimate my grandparents' inexperience with tech.
Mint is just Windows 10 but Linux anyway for normal use
MonkderZweite 5 points 3 years ago
AfterliveOS?
MajorHavoc 5 points 3 years ago
I would be so okay with this. My grandmother was a boss with a badass gaming rig.
Pantherina 3 points 3 years ago
What does that mean? Have the OS she had? Windows 10, I personally debloated it haha
Manifish_Destiny 2 points 3 years ago
She can't rice worth shit.
Pantherina 1 point 3 years ago
Very interesting, how do you do that? Can you even set it up without an A$ account?
CCF_100 4 points 3 years ago
I followed this guide https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM
Smokeydope 3 points 3 years ago
It requires a little bit of computer knowhow but is definitely possible, heres a video of a guy building a custom pc and installing macos on it Here is the open source software he used to do it
PipedLinkBot 2 points 3 years ago
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onlinepersona 9 points 3 years ago
What are windows mainers doing in a linux community? Shoo, we don't want Edge or Bing or popup ads in our games.
onlinepersona 6 points 3 years ago
You will be welcomed back with open arms my (future) friend.
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cupcakezealot 9 points 3 years ago
i mean os x is basically just darwin and bsd with a gui
MrShankles 8 points 3 years ago
I got haggled for being a macos user in college because, "pc was superior". Turns out, that the CompSci people that gave me shit about my Mac, didn't understand the difference between "PC" and "Windows'. My MacBook is still the best laptop I've ever owned. It literally survived having beer being pulled into it's fan, and it's battery turned into a balloon long ago... it still runs fine, almost a decade later (if I keep it plugged in). I was "tech illiterate" to people because I used a MacBook. But switching from windows to mac, got me comfortable with trying linux. It got me comfortable with being uncomfortable, because I was constantly trying to figure out how to "get this to work on macos"
I've met a lot of tech-illiterate people over the years... and they all gave me less shit about trying something different.
I don't use arch btw
rottingleaf 4 points 3 years ago
Well, "tech illiterate" is relative. Some people may be ignorant of how their desktop works, but do wonderful things with PD or something else for synthesizing music, which requires knowing lots of math and music theory and signal processing.
Never be arrogant, please remember than people doing actual stuff - developers, business analysts, musicians, artists etc, and even lowly office workers sometimes, - are kinda more important than IT personnel. There are of course infrastructure and network admins who know their sh*t quite well and get paid accordingly.
Octopus1348 3 points 3 years ago
My stepdad used iMac because he doesn't like Windows.
helpmyusernamewontfi 2 points 3 years ago
Yet everytime you open Twitter they act like they know what they're talking about and send clown emojis whenever someone responds with a counter argument
Pantherina 1 point 3 years ago
Haha yup it sucks
olympicyes 1 point 3 years ago
Linus Torvalds uses MacBooks.
sittytucker 2 points 3 years ago
That's an amazing meme, would anyone happen to have a template of it?
pomodoro_longbreak 2 points 3 years ago
Linux user should really be shown with a hoodie sleeve...
agent_flounder 2 points 3 years ago
I have often chosen MacOS over Windows, though Windows has come a long way since 95. It isn't as infuriating to use anymore.
I've been a Mac user off and on since the late 80s and used Windows and Linux off and on since the 90s.
For the last 10+ years: Mac laptop, Linux desktop, and a Windows laptop for the occasional times it is convenient.
RacoonVegetable 1 point 3 years ago
Nice recycling of Reddit memes
RacoonVegetable 3 points 3 years ago
No, this is Patrick!
Default_Defect 1 point 3 years ago
I see this comment under a lot of meme posts, do you want content or not?
Pantherina 3 points 3 years ago
Wtf is that?
MacNCheezus -6 points 3 years ago
Mac user here. I'd wash my hands too.
Octopus1348 3 points 3 years ago
Another macOS user here: I wouldn't.
GenderNeutralBro 36 points 3 years ago
In what way is macOS more closed than Windows? The kernel is open source, the app store and cloud stuff is entirely optional, and it runs most Unix-y stuff natively.
woelkchen 8 points 3 years ago
In what way is macOS more closed than Windows?
In the ability to legally and without hassle install it on random PCs.
The kernel is open source
The actual userland is proprietary in both cases. Opening Apple Terminal on macOS and using homebrew is as "open" as running Windows Terminal with WSL: Basically the things in the terminal are FOSS, the graphical surroundings of both systems aren't.
GenderNeutralBro 10 points 3 years ago
Having used both, I don't find WSL comparable to macOS's native unix shell. Aside from the bloat of it, integration with the rest of the OS is troublesome on Windows, and WSL apps are second-class citizens. On macOS, there is no "rest of the OS" because the unix shell is fundamental. It's not running in a virtual environment like WSL; it is the native environment.
Microsoft details some of the little gotchas of WSL in their FAQ: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/faq . A few notable ones:
the WSL 2 architecture uses virtualized networking components, which means that WSL 2 will behave similarly to a virtual machine -- WSL 2 distributions will have a different IP address than the host machine (Windows OS).
As of right now WSL 2 does not include serial support, or USB device support
If you have no open file handles to Windows processes, the WSL VM will automatically be shut down. This means if you are using it as a web server, SSH into it to run your server and then exit, the VM could shut down because it is detecting that users are finished using it and will clean up its resources.
WSL is a great addition to Windows, but it's still kind of a band-aid.
woelkchen 2 points 3 years ago
Having used both, I don’t find WSL comparable to macOS’s native unix shell.
I use Windows with openSUSE WSL, macOS with homebrew and "real" Linux.
Aside from the bloat of it
Which bloat? It's just a regular terminal.
WSL 2 will behave similarly to a virtual machine
That's not so much different from a sanboxed environment on native Linux where a Flatpak application can request file system access but not touch processes outside its sandbox. If anything, I prefer that I have all my regular openSUSE thingies (zypper, my own Build Service repository,...) available unmodified on Windows, whereas the macOS terminal (and I know that's subjective) just feels off.
baseless_discourse 17 points 3 years ago
From what I have gathered online, it seems like most people believe that macOS is (slightly) more private than Windows. macOSshow you detailed characterization of the telemetry, and you can turn most of it it off; whereas you cannot turn off basic telemetry in Windows.
I cannot verify this claim, since I never owned an apple product.
That being said, if I have to use a closed-source OS, I would probably choice window, since I am more familiar with it and it is (slightly) more open than macOS.
bassomitron 14 points 3 years ago
You can shut down all telemetry in Windows Pro/Enterprise, I believe. You probably could with regular, too, especially if you're blocking all Microsoft domains via DNS, firewall, or other methods.
woelkchen 10 points 3 years ago
and you can turn most of it it off; whereas you cannot turn off basic telemetry in Windows.
If only most telemetry can be turned off on macOS, it retains some basic telemetry that cannot be turned off. How is that better than basic telemetry on Windows?
ahornsirup 6 points 3 years ago
I think you're confusing MacOS with iOS.
possiblylinux127 6 points 3 years ago
Um, what? I don't think windows is private or open.
twinnie 6 points 3 years ago
I use Windows and Mac but I would think that Mac is slightly better. Just because I got this privacy statement off them once where they said they will do as much processing locally as they can, rather than sending it off to the cloud to be processed. I just appreciate that they acknowledge that.
Also, Windows has just swapped to a new default email app that requires I sync my email with their own servers. They can fuck off with that.
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At least when I open up Mac OS, it doesn’t show me a pop up ad telling me how XBOX CONTROLLERS COME IN SO MANY COLORS NOW click here to buy.
I’ve gotten that pop up the last 3 times I’ve booted up my windows machine.
Windows is great for gaming. But it’s the only thing I turn that machine on for.
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