I thought the idea was that Republicans are actively working on destroying what has been working fine and is benefitting lots of people, not just on preventing more progress.
3 years ago by The Picard Maneuver to c/microblogmemes
The ignorance you're showing here is absolutely astounding. Banning things and removing certain people's rights is a defining part of US republican politics. Every damn week, there's a new thing they've decided is evil and needs to be banned. That's very much not the case with US democrat politics. Sure, there are things they too want to ban or change, but it's based on logic and not a constant stream of new things.
Yes, thankfully the Democrats aren't the party of trying to ban stuff. Imagine if they were, and came out of nowhere to like ban gas stoves, gas cars, freedom of medical choices, and gender affirming surgery for kids. If any of that was true then I'd have a pretty good point, but thankfully it isn't. Right?
It's purposefully hyperbolic to illustrate a point. You think that Finland is seriously making all ice cream free?
I would not be the least bit surprised if all the Abbotts and Thomases and Trumps and Desantises (Desanti?) announced tomorrow that they would no longer be supporting the ADA's immoral drain on commercial profits governmental budgets.
And before someone points it out, gutting a system that he has personally benefited from to fuck over Texans is exactly the kind of thing Abbott would do.
They would never make the fish flavored ice cream free. The economy would collapse.
Wut.
And before someone points it out, gutting a system that he has personally benefited from to fuck over Texans is exactly the kind of thing Abbott would do.
Not would, he has. After the tree crippled him, he sued for his wealth. Then he outlawed the same type of payouts for the exact type of lawsuits he benefited from. Definition of pulling the ladder up behind you.
My point is that it's not a good illustration.
Just read through some of the responses I've gotten. Some people think it's a good illustration because it's very plausible. Some because it's not at all plausible.
I'm saying it's not a good illustration because it's not at all plausible.
Other than all the conservative efforts to destroy the ADA I guess.
I don't think it makes much difference whether or not it is plausible. It's just trying to communicate a message. I guess it has to be plausible enough that a reader can understand what it is even talking about; but not so plausible that the reader is led to believe this specific case is actually happening.
That's just one more interpretation to add to the ones I mentioned.
Which is fundamentally my point. Had the OP used something that is actually happening then it would be harder to interpret the message in unintended ways. And it would be much more readily accepted by Americans like myself who do not see themselves as evil, stupid, malicious, or any of the other insults that necessarily follow from any interpretation the OP.
A very southern American move
It's painful to admit, but American politicians do not actually represent Americans. Over 80% of us believe abortion should be legal under some if not all circumstances. We are being held hostage by an ignorant minority.
You're hastily summarizing some stupid political hit piece as the totality of what everyone in the country thinks. That's incredibly lazy thinking. What country are you from where everyone thinks the same exact way and the news accurately reports it?
Evil and malicious? Of course not. Mislead by a tailor-made Christian cult that always supports whatever the cult leader thinks is important? Literally nothing more American than that. We have a state that was founded for that propose. The largest, consistent voting block in America is fueled by exactly this.
Have you told your leaders that?
Especially compared to Europe?
What? Europe very sound protection for the disabled. Putside of historical buildings built before disability care you won't find better access anywhere.
I get America is pretty good too, but your comment makes it sound like Europe is a nightmare for the disabled.
Not sure about how good or bad it is in the US, but in the Netherlands (a place that is known for good infrastructure) it's definitely not perfect.
I never realised until we got a baby and I started walking with a stroler. Way too often the sidewalk is inaccessible because of cars or bicycles. Also lots of places without ramps or elevators.
Wait next thing you tell me is that I can't complain about having too many people on bicycles on the bicycle roads?
Europe very sound protection for the disabled. Putside of historical buildings built before disability care you won't find better access anywhere.
But that's the point: Most buildings were built before disability care, and haven't been upgraded.* Think about your favorite restaurant, bar, kebab place, corner shop etc. β I don't think any of mine are wheelchair accessible. Also good luck taking a train in Germany, where many platforms aren't wheelchair accessible and they might or might not have a lift to get you into the train.
The Americans with Disabilites Act (ADA) is miles ahead of any legal framework that I'm aware of in Europe. The US is a broken country in many ways, but that doesn't mean that literally anything and everything has to be worse than in glorious Europe.
*The former is true for the US too, but the ADA still required many of them to make reasonable accomodations.
Think about your favorite restaurant, bar, kebab place, corner shop etc.
All have wheelchair ramps. Even the townhall that was built in the 1700s has a wheelchair ramp, as does the church built in the 1400s.
I only know a handful of places that are in the centre of dense cities that don't have them.
Then if I wanted to make comparisons to the US, yes lots of buildings are wheelchair acceptable, but they still expect you to drive between those buildings, even if you're disabled, so sidewalks and crossing points are abysmal.
huh? america is absolute garbage for wheelchair access, the ADA is absolutely not sufficient
fuckin have fun navigating the average suburb with a wheelchair, you can't even walk to the store in most places
you can't even walk to the store in most places
Or roll into the store.
Technically in common disability parlance the motion of movement in a wheel chair is still considered "walking" just like listening to an audiobook is considered "reading" for visually impaired people.
Basically it accepts the whatever means you get to the end product as being a synonyms with the verbs those used by abled people.
Learned this from my librarian buddies.
In most of America you can't walk to the store even if you don't use a wheelchair. At my old place I could see a grocery store from my house, but it was on the other side of a limited access road, I had to go 1.5miles to a pedestrian overpass to be able to get to it making it a 6 mile walk to get 100 yards.
Mellvar is completely wrong, the law was drafted in 2000, and became compulsory in 2009 because there were a couple of countries that hadn't complied
Not sure what agenda they're pushing, or if they're confused with the new law that says that all web based sites now have to be inclusive
And all it took was paraplegics crawling up the steps of the capitol in protest.
Yep, it happened. Scroll up a bit and you'll see evangelicals opposed the ADA because it included protections for people with HIV.
...for now.
It always pisses my wife off when I park in a "handicapped" spot that is really just an old spot with badly faded paint.
For a handicapped parking spot to actually be a handicapped parking spot, you need both the pavement painting and the sign.
I would like to note that the spots I'm talking about aren't even the ones close to the building (which is probably why they took down the sign), and there are actual spots closer to the door.
Hey there, sometimes-wheelchair-user here. Afaik the law is also the same where I live, the spot has to have a sign. Here, when there's a spot with just faded paint, it usually just means that the handicap spot got moved somewhere else. The only thing I'd suggest is if you don't already, just check and make sure that there is a spot somewhere else that does have a sign. If there isn't, it's probably because the owner just didn't mark the spot properly. In that case, it's best to leave it open for those who need it, even though it wouldn't technically be against the law to park there.
I'm not accusing you of anything, just putting this out there in case the situation comes up. Cheers!
Idk, man. Finland has been posting some Ls recently. The Orpo Cabinet is all about those tax cuts, business-friendly deregulations, big new military spending budgets, and tighter restrictions on immigration.
Basically doing Reaganism, Finnish style.
Yes I wonder why
Probably prepping for WW3
At least that's what it would be now if Russia attacked.
big new military spending budgets
Considering what is going on, that's an L?
tighter restrictions on immigration.
Ditto
Ditto
Sort of the joke in all this. Drop a few bombs. Create a bunch of new refugees. Then close your borders.
Maybe I misunderstood you but I'm talking about Finland. We didn't drop any bombs. We're just reacting to Russian attack on Ukraine and them using refugees as tools.
Per the bible, we aren't really even allowed to be human beings and are all born wretches full of original sin. If that's true than I'd rather have the free ice cream and body tattoos and promiscuity while I'm going to hell.
Bible tl;dr: Jesus died so you DONT have original sin anymore.
That sounds like Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912 talk to me.
Well there never really was a "Jesus" who saved us from original sin, and the bible is simply a work of misogynistic and bigoted fiction. I don't need "saving," I'm not a 'wretch,' I was never "blind but now I see." WRONG. WRONG ON ALL COUNTS!!!! I am a human being of great value and worth by virtue of my existence, and I don't require or want dependency on some fictional idiotic being for my salvation or sense of worth.
A bit dramatic for this conversation... but given the circumstances with some religious people I absolutely get where you're coming from. We do not need to be given the right to exist by others - we create our value.
We do not need to be told morality - we create morality (for we do not need to be told "do not be cruel or you will burn in hell," as we understand that cruelty is for the weak who wish to be powerful, and not needed by the truly powerful.)
We do not need a god to align our will to - we can direct our collective wills by our own strength. We are worthy or unworthy of love by our own means - we do not need "forgiveness" from anyone but ourselves.
Maybe so but I'm nothing if not overly dramatic most of the time. The reason I go all hystrionic and raving about it is, because sometimes I feel like the only way people hear you or even pay attention is if you go ballistic and overstate things.
We do create our own morality, and as we learned in philosophy classes, morality is an individual (not social) construct.
I totally agree with your conclusion that we do not need a "god" to align our will to, as humans we've accomplished unbelievable miraculous things on our own. Some may say that's because of divine design, but I say it's because we're just that intelligent. Not so intelligent as a god, maybe - but we should trust in ourselves and absolutely be good to ourselves (forgive ourselves as you say).
are you ok?
OH yeah. I'm doing great, sometimes I get a little carried away with my statements - but I really am doing great. And I feel I owe that to my own hard work and resilience and not being dependent on a fictional diety (but that's my way of seeing it).
Makes sense. I hope he'll take some old kleenex and a piece of lint-covered candy for payment.
Joke's on you, they're just spreading some flavour on all of the snow and it's all salty licorice.
Don't eat the yellow one though
Check out his (and Andy and Matt's) podcast "probably science" it's a wonderful way to get all the poop, flatulence, and penis science your brain could ask for. They occasionally have on great guests, and (almost) always have interesting people doing the show with them.
Also he is great on Twitter, but usually deletes his posts after they get over x amount of views/shares, because he isn't into going viral.
Also, please bring back Jesse vs cancer, it's been over a year guy.
I've not watched the show yet, but here's the link I just dug up for myself, for anyone's convenience
Communist yeti-Mongols.
Don't. They have two weird languages
At least we aren't executing depressed people like Canada is doing
You just make guns easily accessible and then blame the suicides on godlessness.
There is much to say about reporting biases, but in this case you're touching one of the most humane services only the most progressive countries have touched on. The ability to pass away in a respectful way on your own terms. No one is being forced or pressured, that's a blatant lie many media channels are responsible for.
You don't choose to be born, if you feel your life is unbearable/complete you should be able to step out of it without having to be kept alive by pills and/or treatments while slowly deteriorating mentally/physically. And don't get me started on the uncertain outcome and dramatic outcome of suicide, which is usually an insane 'counter-argument' that gets proposed as available option.
Sadly many countries have not yet reached that level of sympathy, mainly because of religious intervention. Which is exactly the point of this post.
Country says it is legal to drink water.
"Country is executing people by drowning!"
I'm assuming even the people who agree with you hate the way you're approaching this. I hope you're just a troll, because the alternative is that you're an idiot.
At least?
Look up medically assisted in dieing or MAID
Yeah Finland always had it easy, nothing bad ever happened there for generations!
You forgot your ÀÀkkâset.
This but a little bit unironically. They and their Scandinavian neighbors went unaligned during the Cold War and reaped an enormous peace dividend.
Now that the country is getting sucked into the Ukraine-Russia mess, they're pivoting towards domestic spending cuts and tighter immigration rules and a big new military budget.
went unaligned during the Cold War
Finland didn't have many options in the matter, you know
Strange that, when a country invaded another country, invades that same country again a handful of years later, and then that same invading country threatens to invade your country if you try to join a certain group of people, that you might go ahead and try to prevent that country from invading you.
Very strange.
you try to join a certain group of people, that you might go ahead and try to prevent that country from invading you
Wouldn't be the first time Finland teamed up with a bunch of fascists.
This is a profoundly racist sentiment. There is nothing special about Nordics. They're just people from a place. There's nothing about being born somewhere that makes you vibe with people from that place and agree on everything. Ask the Baltics or the Middle East.
It's the American right wing way of convincing the population that 1: you'll never have peace with a mixed population and 2: we can never have the nice things other countries have because we're a mixed population.
They get to keep the status quo of "everything gets worse so businesses owners make more" and they get to use the racist dog whistles to keep those racist asshats on their side by "proving" race mixing makes things worse...
It works because people don't really think about what's being said. :(
America also has a lot people who have lived here for generations too, at least long enough generationally to not particularly matter much any more. That's not something particularly unique to Finland.
America just more uniquely treats some people much worse than others. For example parts of my family came to the US as immigrants around the turn of the 1900s and it took a while for italians (who at the time were the "dirty brown people bringing drugs and crime to our streets") to gain "white people" status around the 1970s. I have friends who's families have family trees much longer rooted in America, but have historically been treated a lot worse than I or my parents ever have even into the present day.
If we really wanted to explore the concept further there's also been a not insignificant about of cultural exchange that happened between the Scandinavian area and numerous regions outside their immediate area, as vikings traveled around, they encounter the early British, Normans and Franks, the had encounters with the late Christian and early Muslim world surrounding the Hagia Sophia, as evidenced by the viking graffiti carved I to stonework in there. They've had Christian missionaries proselytize their lands and convert them to Christianity away from the Norse traditions and dramatically retold those traditions from a christocentric framing.
Finland isn't some culturally untouched place, left to their own devices for centuries. They both invaded others and were invaded, they engaged in trade and cultural exchange, they influenced other cultures and other cultures influenced them.
what about Estonia
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Of all the things you could reasonably criticize the US over, wheelchair accessibility ain't one of them. Especially compared to Europe.
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