60 Doodles in a Dandy
KB, MB, GB, and TB are all part of the metric system. What empirical measurements should we Free™️ Americans use for computer memory?
2 years ago by BmeBenji (he/him) to c/programmerhumor
walter_wiggles 75 points 2 years ago
fruitycoder 3 points 2 years ago
Maybe its the number of men in the boat number of dandies in a macaroni
metaStatic 7 points 2 years ago
giggity
DahGangalang 10 points 2 years ago
Better yet, just use "cooz" as the "common unit"
Then it's proportioned following fluid ounce measurements from there. e.g. "coc" (computer cup) is 16 coozes.
perishthethought 7 points 2 years ago
Ayyy, I'm in COLORADO so this would be great.
pound_heap 2 points 2 years ago
I second this. It makes total sense - computer memory is a volume to be filled with data. They ain't call parts of a hard drive volumes for nothing.
CanadaPlus 27 points 2 years ago
Sampled at what resolution, though? It's a physical painting and the true, atomic-scale resolution would make this whole system useless.
May I suggest the entire constitution in ASCII (American Standard Code for Information Interchange) instead? Bonus points if any future amendments change the whole system.
Edit: I suppose you actually want to start small. Maybe just the declaration sans-signatures, then. So, 6610*7 = 46,270 bits.
cmnybo 158 points 2 years ago
How about feet of IBM punch cards?
A 1 foot tall stack holds 1,647,360 bits of data if all 80 columns are used. If only 72 columns are used for data then it's 1,482,624 bits of data and the remaining columns can be used to number each card so they can be put back in order after the stack is dropped.
YodaDaCoda 40 points 2 years ago
I like this because the amount of bits in a stack can vary depending on whose foot you use to measure, or the thickness of the card stock.
solrize 89 points 2 years ago
1 tweet = 140 bytes
1 (printed) page = 60 lines of 60 characters = 3600 bytes
1 moa (minute of audio in 128000 bps mp3) = 960000 bytes
1 mov (minute of video) = typically around 30MB but varies by resolution and encoding, like ounces vs troy ounces vs apothecary ounces.
1 loc (library of congress, used for measuring hard drive capacity) = around 10TB depending on jurisdiction.
Rinox 83 points 2 years ago
bit, Nibble, Byte, Word, doubleword, longword, quadword, double-quadword, verylongword, halfword
They check all Imperial criteria:
- confusing names
- some used only in some systems
- size depends on where you are
- some may overlap
- doesn't manage to cover all the possible needs, but do you really need more than 64 bits?
- would probably cause you to crash a rocket
DontRedditMyLemmy 52 points 2 years ago
Did anyone say Magabyte yet?
TheGalacticVoid 31 points 2 years ago
1/6th of a MAGAbyte is an insurrection
laughterlaughter 10 points 2 years ago
Ugh. I hate you.
Upvoted.
tvbusy 51 points 2 years ago
I would suggest:
- 1KB = storage capacity of 1 kg of 1.44 floppy disks.
- 1MB = storage capacity of 0.0106 mile of CD drives.
- 1GB = storage capacity of 1 good computer in the 2000s.
- 1TB = storage capacity of 1 truck of GB (see above)
PS: just to be clear, I meant CD drives, not CD discs.
WayTooDank 23 points 2 years ago
1 kg
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Don't you mean one pound, abbreviated lb?
DahGangalang 25 points 2 years ago
Naw, it's actually one Kinda Gallon; a Kinda Gallon of course referring to the average of the masses of a gallon of water, a gallon of beer, and a gallon of whiskey.
laughterlaughter 10 points 2 years ago
I know you're joking, but that first Kb definition makes me grind my teeth!
1.44 floppy disks can store, well, 1.44 MEGAbytes. So how can 1 kg of floppy disks can just store 1 KB?
laughterlaughter 5 points 2 years ago
lol
insomniac_lemon 49 points 2 years ago
KiB, MiB, GiB etc are more clear. It makes a big difference especially 1TB vs 1TiB.
The American way would probably be still using the units you listed but still meaning 1024, just to be confusing.
Either that or maybe something that uses physical measurement of a hard-drive (or CD?) using length. Like that new game is 24.0854 inches of data (maybe it could be 1.467 miles of CD?).
xionzui 8 points 2 years ago
As far as I know, RAM only comes in GiB sizes. There is some overhead that reduces the amount you see in the OS though. But that complaint is valid for storage devices if you don’t know the units and expect TB/GB on the box to match the numbers in Windows
middlemanSI 2 points 2 years ago
MigaBytes?
DontRedditMyLemmy 44 points 2 years ago
A milebyte is 5280 bytes
cupcakezealot 34 points 2 years ago
my harddrive is 250 toby keiths and my processer is 500 lee greenwoods
picard -7 points 2 years ago
@cupcakezealot @BmeBenji why not 100 trumps processor rate.
cupcakezealot 6 points 2 years ago
i dunno that much seems almost criminal
picard 2 points 2 years ago
@cupcakezealot yeah but I'd love to hear about megatrumps. but that could also be a measure for mass destruction
Fenrisulfir 5 points 2 years ago
Because trump’s processor doesn’t have an IPC. It uses CPI instead and w’d have to start using scientific notation
joelfromaus 17 points 2 years ago
I’ve seen so many products advertised by how many “songs” or “movies” it can hold. Never mind you can encode the same movie to be massive or small. So I think we’ve found the right answer!
leaky_shower_thought 31 points 2 years ago
why go for RAMs when the constitution says ARMs...
and no more bits or bytes too, double bytes small or quadbytes regular size all the way.
kilo bytes is a grand
mega bytes is a venti
giga bytes is a grand venti
terabytes is a doble venti
really large amounts of ARM is a ton
prime_number_314159 29 points 2 years ago
From smallest to biggest:
Bits (basic unit)
Bytes (8:1 reduction)
Words (4:1 reduction)
KiB (32:1 reduction)
MiB (1024:1)
GiB (1024:1)
TiB (1024:1)
PiB (1024:1)
A normal amount of porn (237:1)
barsoap 14 points 2 years ago
All definitely not metric as metric uses steps of 1000 (and there's also 10 and 100 and 1/10th and 1/100th but that doesn't extend to 10000 and 1/10000th).
The KiB, MiB, etc, the 2^10 scale is called binary prefixes (as opposed to decimal prefixes KB, MB, etc) and standardised by the IEC.
And while the B in KiB is always going to mean eight bits it's not a given that a byte is actually eight bits, network people still use "octet" to disambiguate because back in the days there were plenty of architectures around with other byte sizes. "byte" simply means "smallest number of bits an operation like addition will be done in" in the context of architectures. Then you have word for two bytes, d(ouble)word for four, q(uad)word for eight, o(cto)word for 16, and presumably h(ex)word for 32 it's already hard to find owords in the wild. Yes it's off by one of course it's off by one what do you expect it's about computers. There's also nibble for half a byte.
EDIT: Actually that's incorrect word is also architecture-dependent, the word/dword/qword sequence applies to architectures (like x86) which went from being 16-bit machines to now being 64 bit while keeping backwards compatibility. E.g. RISC-V uses 32-bit words, 16 bits there are a half-word.
The bit, at least, is not under contention everyone agrees what it is. Though you can occasionally see people staring in wild disbelief and confusion at statements such as "this information can be stored in 1.58 bits". That number is ~ log2~ 3, that is, the information that fits in one trit. Such as "true, false, maybe".
notfromhere 3 points 2 years ago
Great write up, glad to see mention of nibble (my favorite lol)… You forgot to mention byte order (Little/Big Endian).
prime_number_314159 2 points 2 years ago
So you're saying my proposed imperial units depend on where you are, and who is using them, for what purpose? That just sells me on them as imperial units even more. :)
Thank you for the details.
ryannathans 4 points 2 years ago
Words aren't always four bytes
(GIF)TheOakTree 25 points 2 years ago
We should measure size of files/storage as a function of how many standardized png's of an american flag would fit in the same amount of space.
TheOakTree 5 points 2 years ago
Surely it would be a standardized png determined by each state legislation so... of varying sizes.
mojo_raisin 1 point 2 years ago
digital freedom units
dutchkimble 19 points 2 years ago
If it's for American context then you mean 1 baby
Wes_Dev 7 points 2 years ago
Cut to a younger me looking at HDDs in Walmart, and wondering why the fuck they were using much higher numbers than what the drive actually had. That's when I learned the difference, and started grow my hate for advertising bullshit.
Buffalox 14 points 2 years ago
May I suggest OB for Ounce Byte, or 28.35 Byte, one 16th of a PB PoundByte which is 453,6 Bytes.
These measures are both practical as freedom units because it's base is close to 28, which is clearly more suitable than 32 as a freedom unit base number, and the Pound Byte can be easily halved 4 times to make an Ounce Byte. Which makes it about as convenient as other freedom units.
TDCN 13 points 2 years ago
Probably something based on 1/6 th of a byte that originates form old IBM systems that used 6 bits per byte that was then later never changed into 8 bit systems so you now have to convert between 6 bit and 8 bit systems and then fractions, gotta get those good fractions. So they'd say something like my SSD is 170⅔ GB for a 128GB drive
andrewth09 12 points 2 years ago
My CPU is running at 2.6 Triple thou cycles per imperial second (TTiS)
Sabata11792 6 points 2 years ago
That's 1 day of Facebook, or 5 minutes of Netflix, or roughly 11.2milibits driven over 2 Chicago style city blocks.
LEDZeppelin 11 points 2 years ago
Football fields, Olympic size swimming pools, hotdogs, and quarters
DahGangalang 3 points 2 years ago
All, of course based on how many kerned 1s and 0s (alternatingly) you could fit printed in 12pt Times New Roman font within the thing's length.
Also, you need to alternate rounding your error (i.e. quarter rounds down, but hotdog rounds up, etc)
imnotfromkaliningrad 11 points 2 years ago
1 bible = 69 porn clips = 420 feet (unrelated to the other measurement)
benderbeerman 10 points 2 years ago
Imperial, obviously: F(reedom)T(ons) and fractions thereof. 1FT is the amount of data that it takes to store the entire King James edition of the New Testament and the Bill of Rights as a PDF.
Kierunkowy74 9 points 2 years ago
1 floppy = 1.44 MO
1 CD = 700 MO
1 DVD = 4,7 GO
1 HD DVD = 15 GO
1 Blu-Ray = 25 GO
Kierunkowy74 2 points 2 years ago
ASCII byte is 7 bits. 8 bits is an octet.
Grandwolf319 2 points 2 years ago
This is the logical answer (so maybe not American?), as it would relate to how we handle data.
Also add 1 HDD = 1 TO
PanoptiDon 9 points 2 years ago
In America, you need a monthly subscription to use that system
davel 8 points 2 years ago
Those are units of discrete quantity, so couple, dozen, score, gross, grand, etc.: https://en.wikipedia.org/...
CanadaPlus 2 points 2 years ago
Fractional bits come up in non-deterministic situation, sometimes.
Bene7rddso 1 point 2 years ago
Just use fractions, like with inches. ⅞
CanadaPlus 1 point 2 years ago
See, that's actually the one thing I really like about imperial. Binary subdivisions are good.
DarkShaggy 1 point 2 years ago
Why did I think that quote was from Clifford Stoll? (Sp?)
kryptonianCodeMonkey 8 points 2 years ago
A bit in Freedom units is 2 metric bits because it wouldn't be freedom units without unnecessary confusion. A metric bit is equivalent to a freedom unit lil'bit, because it's smaller than a bit. A bite (no relation to a byte) is 25 lil'bits because saying 25 ones and zeros outload is a mouthful. A hot dog is 4.2 bites or 105 lil'bits because that's how many bites it takes me to eat a hot dog. A hamburger is 6.4 bites because it takes more bites to eat. A double with cheese is 7.8 bites. A whole hog is 233 hot dogs. A stampede is 23146 hamburgers.
SubArcticTundra 7 points 2 years ago
The Indians use Crore and Lakh
captainlezbian 5 points 2 years ago
They use those for everything
Kbin_space_program 5 points 2 years ago
1TB can be Recommended Chrome Ram?
cyborganism 5 points 2 years ago
- A nugget: 1 bit
- A tendy: 1 byte
- A hot dog : 1 kb
- A hamburger: 1 mb
- A KFC bucket: 1 gb
cyborganism 1 point 2 years ago
Hahahahahaha! That's true.
litchralee 4 points 2 years ago
I'm surprised there aren't more suggestions which use intentionally-similar abbreviations. The American customary system is rich with abbreviations which are deceptively similar, and I think the American computer memory units should match; confusion is the name of the game. Some examples from existing units:
- millimeter (mm) vs thou (mil)
- meter (m) vs mile (mi)
- kilo (k) vs grand (G)
- kilonewtons (kN) vs knots (kn)
- statute mile (m/sm) vs survey mile (mi) vs nautical mile (NM/nmi) vs nanometer (nm)
- foot (ft) vs fathom (ftm)
- chain (ch) vs Switzerland (ch)
- teaspoon (tsp) vs tablespoon (tbsp)
- ounce (oz) vs fluid ounce (fl oz) vs troy ounce (ozt) vs Australia (Ozzie)
- pint (pt) vs point (pt)
- grain (gr) vs gram (g)
- Kelvin (K) vs Rankine (R; aka "Kelvin for Americans")
- short ton (t) vs long ton (???) vs metric tonne (t) vs refrigeration ton (TR)
litchralee 3 points 2 years ago
It's for this reason I sometimes spell out the Bytes or bits. Eg: 88 Gbits/s or 1.44 MBytes
It's also especially useful for endianness and bit ordering: MSByte vs MSbit
barsoap 2 points 2 years ago
The knot is non-SI but perfectly metric and actually makes sense as a nautical mile is exactly one degree meridian. kn also doesn't clash with kN, Newtons are always written with capital N. Capitalisation generally matters. No standard abbreviation exists for nautical miles but definitely don't use nm because newtonnano metres.
That is, if you take all those colonial units out of there suddenly you're left with SI units and things that work well with SI units.
Oh and a pint is 500ml, a pound is 500g, a hundredweight is 50kg (because 100 pound), and a teaspoon is rather approximate because everyone outside of North America will use an actual spoon you stir tea with. The important part is not the precise amount but distinguishing it from "a pinch" etc. I guess by extension ounces should be 25ml and 25g. While we're at it: An inch is 25mm, and a foot an even 1/3rd of a metre while a yard is exactly one metre.
Did you know that a Newton metre is about exactly one chocolate bar metre? The work it takes to lift it in about standard gravity, that is. Very intuitive.
t for ton is a quirk in SI, you can use Mg if you want. There's also other SI-adjacent strangeness such as the hectare, which is one hecto-are: While SI has meters for length and litres for volume somehow the are isn't official for area.
litchralee 2 points 2 years ago
The knot is non-SI but perfectly metric and actually makes sense as a nautical mile is exactly one degree meridian
I do admire the nautical mile for being based on something which has proven to be continually relevant (maritime navigation) as well as being brought forward to new, related fields (aeronautical navigation). And I am aware that it was redefined in SI units, so there's no incompatibility. I'm mostly poking fun at the kN abbreviation; I agree that no one is confusing kilonewtons with knots, not unless there's a hurricane putting a torque on a broadcasting tower...
No standard abbreviation exists for nautical miles
We can invent one: kn-h. It's knot-hours, which is technically correct but horrific to look at. It's like the time I came across hp-h (horsepower-hour) to measure gasoline energy. :(
if you take all those colonial unit
In defense of the American national pride, I have to point out that many of these came from the Brits. Though we're guilty of perpetuating them, even after the British have given up on them haha
An inch is 25mm, and a foot an even 1/3rd of a metre while a yard is exactly one metre.
I'm a dual-capable American that can use either SI or US Customary -- it's the occupational hazard of being an engineer lol -- but I went into a cold sweat thinking about all the awful things that would happen with a 25 mm inch, and even worse things with 3 ft to the meter. Like, that's not even a multiple of 2, 5, or 10! At least let it be 40 inches to the meter. /s
There's also other SI-adjacent strangeness such as the hectare
I like to explain to other Americans that metric is easy, using the hectare as an example. What's a hectare? It's about 2.47 acre. Or more relatable, it's the average size of a Walmart supercenter, at about 107,000 sq ft.
1 hectare == 1 Walmart
barsoap 1 point 2 years ago
We can invent one: kn-h. It’s knot-hours, which is technically correct but horrific to look at. It’s like the time I came across hp-h (horsepower-hour) to measure gasoline energy.
Quite standard, actually. If you buy a fridge over here it'd say something like "150 kWh/a", which is 17.12 Watts, which is how much the fridge uses on average. People don't pay for Watts, though, but for kWh, that's what's on the bill so kWh/a is way more practical if you want to convert to €/a. Also if you put more than one number in Watts in the docs civilians might get confused, ideally the only one you put there is connection power.
What’s a hectare?
I actually have no idea. I know that it's what farmers pick up women with but I have no real mental image of how much it is. 100m, sure, make that a square but it's still somehow without meaning.
but I went into a cold sweat thinking about all the awful things that would happen with a 25 mm inch,
Blame the Swedes, or more precisely Carl Edvard Johansson, inventor and manufacturer of gauge blocks. Before that the US and Brits had slightly incompatible definitions of inches and he split the difference pretty much in the middle and rounded a bit and ended up producing 25.4mm gauge blocks, and only after that industry even started to be precise and actually adhere to proper measures -- without wide availability of reference gauge blocks that was impossible. He should've rounded just a bit further.
jimbolauski 4 points 2 years ago
Power of Two
1GB is 29.8975 pots
1MB is 19.9315 pots
Andrew15_5 2 points 2 years ago
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GravitySpoiled 3 points 2 years ago
TiB
One tebibyte equals 2^40 or 1,099,511,627,776 bytes.
BmeBenji 1 point 2 years ago
Yeah, American stuff makes sense unlike the metric system which is completely unintuitive /s
This whole post is meant to be a joke. The metric prefixes are perfectly understandable even if they’re technically off the decimal benchmarks by a handful of bytes
PowerCrazy 1 point 2 years ago
Metric is intuitive, but also shit. Just because you have 10 fingers doesn't mean you should formulate a measurement system out of it. In fact if you actually give a shit about intuitiveness you'd go back to the American system which is roughly base 12 and therefore easier for division and manual estimations.
the_crotch 3 points 2 years ago
1 kB is 1024 bytes and a byte is 8 bits. That is not metric. It just uses metric prefixes.
konalt 5 points 2 years ago
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John_McMurray 2 points 2 years ago
No, those are not metric, they just borrowed some prefixes, although it's not like metric designers invented those anyways.
MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown 1 point 2 years ago
American Football fields.
BmeBenji 2 points 2 years ago
I propose the base measurement is a Reagit - equal to 36 bit states, or half-bits (36 was the age of Ronald Reagan when the transistor was first invented in 1947)
The next smallest is the Nuclearyte equal to the quantity of times the United States has proven technological superiority in war by using an atomic bomb offensively. So 2 Reagits is 1 Nuclearyte.
After that is the number of US presidents to have survived an assassination attempt (8) known simply as the ‘Merit (and don’t forget the apostrophe). 8 nuclearytes is 1 ‘merit.
Next is the number of years after the birth of Our Lord when Americans landed on the moon. 1969 ‘merits is 1 L-unit (pronounced like Loon)
Even bigger still is the number of amendments it took for the damn commie government to realize that alcohol is essential for human survival. The 18th amendment was a mistake, but the 21st amendment was blessed by Our Father who Art in Heaven without a doubt. 3 L-units is 1 chug
Next is the number of young men who died fighting for the rights of our United States to remain unquestioned by the damn commie federal government during the great war for individually united liberties between 1860 and 1865. 490,309 chugs is 1 Right
And so far we haven’t needed any larger measurements.
PowerCrazy 1 point 2 years ago
You literally have no idea why measurement units exist do you?
PowerCrazy 1 point 2 years ago
While humor is subjective, being wantonly ignorant isn't very funny, it's sad.
BmeBenji 1 point 2 years ago
What do you mean? In what way am I being ignorant? I thought the whole idea was satirical and satire only works if you’re painfully aware of that which is being satirized. I think the empirical system of measurement is absurd since all the metrics are based off of completely subjective concepts. The only thing the empirical system is good for is being relatable to human minds. A foot is roughly a foot’s length. 100 degrees F is “hot” and 0 degrees F is cold. A cup is about a fistful. Etc.
electricprism 1 point 2 years ago
Dec = 10 Cent = 100 Mil = 1000
Using historical, global linear language sounds good to me
MachineFab812 1 point 2 years ago
Metric uses those for numbers less than 1, a situation that doesn't arrise in computing. There is nothing less than a bit, whether its set to 1 or 0.
electricprism 2 points 2 years ago
All hail Analog! ;P
Kindness -1 points 2 years ago
On the contrary.
KB = 1,000 bytes and MB = 1,000,000 is empirical.
KiB = 1024 bytes or 2^10^ and MiB = 1,048,576 or 2^20^ is Metric.
Remember, empirical is the miserable system the rest of the world abandoned because it made math and science difficult. KB makes storage miserable, never being clear whether your have the exact space your box claims it does. Please continue to Free^TM^ yourself from British "nonsense", while the rest of the world evolves.
TwentySeven 20 points 2 years ago
Empirical means based on data. The word you are looking for is imperial.
Also, metric measurements are in base 10, so you have it backwards.
HatchetHaro 1 point 2 years ago
man's actually taking the piss at OP's use of "empirical" instead of "imperial"
also, i doubt that measurements of data can be imperial or metric; even Bytes themselves are just measurements of 8 bits.
InEnduringGrowStrong 2 points 2 years ago
Hmmm... There are as many ounces in a cup as there are bits in a byte.
Maybe the first byte fit in a cup.
AnnaFrankfurter -15 points 2 years ago
Thank you for majoring in English. We need people like you to ruin the peace in this fragile world.
crispy_kilt 6 points 2 years ago
Many people are learning English as a foreign language through using it on the internet. Lazy native speakers hsing it incorrecrly despite knowing it better makes that very difficult, as they learn mistakes they later have to unlearn.
I am always glad when people point out such mistakes, for this reason.
Not_mikey 4 points 2 years ago
Where did you get this from? Yeah KiB means 1024 and KB is 1000 but that's not a difference between metric and imperial, judging from the Wikipedia article it seems it was just a matter of using 1024 for technical purposes and 1000 for marketing / simplicity. If anything the article says the metric systems(SI) rule of kilo meaning 1000 means KB is metric.
If anything this shows some of the weakness of metric and it's use of base 10. Yeah it works great in science and some math when we're usually talking in base 10, but that's not the only base you can use. In base 2 some of the imperial measurements are easier to deal with and convert between then metric for example
1 liter = 1111101000 ml 1 gallon = 10000000 fl oz
1 kg = 1111101000 g 1 pound = 10000 oz
The reverse of the above metric conversions, and all base 10 negative exponents, is a repeating number in binary which has to be truncated and leads to inaccurate calculations.
Systems of measure are arbitrary, there's no superior logical one because different systems of measure work better in different systems of math.
TheGalacticVoid 1 point 2 years ago
Somebody needs to make a satire piece on how the "woke mob" is ruining computers because these units of measurement are all bi.
TheOakTree 3 points 2 years ago
I think they mean "based off of chunks of 1024", not "base 1024".
PowerCrazy -6 points 2 years ago
Yes another person who doesn't understand why the metric system sucks. American's (fuck yea) use only useful and descriptive units, so obviously MiB, KiB, GiB, etc. because who cares what the closest rounded Ten's digit is? The computer world deals in Bits.
I use Kb, Mb, Gb, in my world (networking). And MiB GiB and TiB when I want to know the actual size something is.
mranachi 4 points 2 years ago
Why use metric? Because the fact that 1440KiB is 1.41MiB is annoying.
It doesn't make it better, it's just really much more convenient when you're working in a base 10 digit system. There are lots of times when the advantages of an alternative unit system outweighs that convenience.
Its a funny thing that so many people are emotionally attached to unit systems. It's a tool, use the best one for the job.
PowerCrazy -4 points 2 years ago
The best tool for the job isn't ever metric ironically enough.
BaldProphet 1 point 2 years ago
When I interned in a NOC I referred to bandwidth in GiB/s once or twice. The looks on the senior engineers' faces were priceless.
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