Finally, an answer!

3 years ago by Flying Squid to c/mst3k

(I know this is about Rifftrax, but we don't have a Rifftrax community.)

Jakdracula 68 points 3 years ago

Have we checked all food to see if exploding them makes them into something better or did we just stop with corn?

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SonicDeathTaco 67 points 3 years ago

Let me tell you a little story about brassicas... broccoli, cabbage, bok choi, cauliflower, kohlrabi, canola oil. They're all this little guy. Edit: Shit! I missed the exploding part. gracile green plant with small yellow leaves that looks nothing like broccoli

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FlyingSquid 17 points 3 years ago

And yet I love broccoli but hate cauliflower.

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JoeBigelow 3 points 3 years ago

Can you elaborate? Texture differences?

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FlyingSquid 24 points 3 years ago

One tastes good, the other does not.

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BreadOven 2 points 3 years ago

Looks similar to wild parsnip. But yeah, crazy how so many things can come from one species? Phylum? Can't remember the order of them.

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SonicDeathTaco 3 points 3 years ago

Kevin Please Come Over For Gay Sex

https://youtu.be/EAy58a8qqDI?si=mT35A12Hbs_K8vHE

Kingdom Phylum Class Order Family Genus Species

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BreadOven 2 points 3 years ago

Hahaha. Thanks for that. Been a while since I've watched Community, totally forgot about that part.

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SonicDeathTaco 1 point 3 years ago

I literally used this this year for a test I took in a BioAnth course that I'm enrolled in.

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Pacmanlives 2 points 3 years ago

Wait kohlrabi is related to broccoli. My mind is blow since I always think of it as a root vegetable(I know it’s not but still). Also I should add to my garden this year you don’t see it very often at store and my parents and grandparents loved it

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SonicDeathTaco 3 points 3 years ago

More than related. They're the same plant just different cultivars bread for different traits.

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FiniteBanjo 14 points 3 years ago

I've been dipping stuff in hot oil for awhile now and it appears to work for most of them.

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XOXOX 11 points 3 years ago

Potatoes Apples Marijuana Bananas Tulips Etc...

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FlyingSquid 30 points 3 years ago

Bananas are a similar one to corn too. Take something almost entirely inedible and cultivate it into something edible. Makes you wonder what convinced them to start.

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Dkarma 27 points 3 years ago

Starvation was probably a good motivator

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FlyingSquid 14 points 3 years ago

Could be. We still don't know why people became sedentary farmers over hunter-gatherers, but it's happened many times in history.

Somehow, farming happened independently but around the same time around the world, between 8000 and 10000 years ago. This is everywhere from Europe to the Americas to New Guinea, all apparently independently of each other!

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Duamerthrax 3 points 3 years ago

Probably used is processed in a dish or alcohol were the seeds didn't matter much, and over time farmers just made it easier to eat raw because "why not?"

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jballs 1 point 3 years ago

Tell me more about this exploded marijuana you speak of.

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AngryCommieKender 3 points 3 years ago

It grows huge in Alaska

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Daxtron2 8 points 3 years ago

Most starchy things can to some degree. Rice is one of the most popular alongside corn

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quinkin 6 points 3 years ago

Detonating rice is also well respected.

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FilterItOut 1 point 3 years ago

I mean, you basically have every modern fruit.

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Dasus 1 point 3 years ago

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EdibleFriend 59 points 3 years ago

Lot of work for a dildo.

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FlyingSquid 22 points 3 years ago

It's not worth it if you don't make an effort.

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EdibleFriend 20 points 3 years ago

ITS BEEN A LOOOOOONG ROAD GETTIN FROM THERE TO HERE

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FlyingSquid 10 points 3 years ago

THIS IS NOT TEN FORWARD!

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EdibleFriend 18 points 3 years ago

I have altered the location. Pray I do not alter it further.

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mitchty 3 points 3 years ago

I will touch the skyayyyy!

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agent_flounder 2 points 3 years ago

Fire photonic cannons.

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SonicDeathTaco 9 points 3 years ago

Everything's a dildo if you're brave enough.

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FlyingSquid 6 points 3 years ago

Maybe, but an aerogel dildo wouldn't be especially fun.

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SonicDeathTaco 5 points 3 years ago

What's fun got to do got to do with it?

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arin 3 points 3 years ago

I know of a teen girl who fucked a chair leg... Horny insanity.

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SonicDeathTaco 4 points 3 years ago

"memorable people do memorable things. Followers are seldom remembered. The herd mentality is the killer of innovation. When appropriate, fuck a chair"

-Gad Saad (sorta)

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Imadethis 2 points 3 years ago

I remember the chair leg. It was obviously gross and dirty though. Door knobs and the round balls on top of bed posts (not the ceiling height kind, but the waist levels) were also fair game.

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captainlezbian 1 point 3 years ago

Ow. My vagina hurts thinking about that

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BigBananaDealer 14 points 3 years ago

country girls make do

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FatTony 5 points 3 years ago

You know, you could've just said: "What an interesting story, thanks for sharing."

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EdibleFriend 4 points 3 years ago

I, on the other hand, came up with a different response then the one you just chose :)

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FatTony 0 points 3 years ago

That may be. But next time I'm gonna have to write you up to HR.

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EdibleFriend 3 points 3 years ago

She knows all to well about corn.

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phoenixz 58 points 3 years ago

This is what these non GMO types always seem to forget: we've been modifying the crap out of everything for the past thousands of years. We're now justuch more efficient and smart about it.

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Dettweiler42 11 points 3 years ago

They always picture someone in a lab with syringes and special machines to "modify DNA". Most of the time it's just a couple of potted plants under a lamp and a cotton swab. For fruit trees, you're pretty much just replacing a branch with another branch. Tape and staples might be involved.

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ForgotAboutDre 10 points 3 years ago

Genetically modified plants is very different from selective breeding. Selective breeding mimics the natural evolution process, removing natural selection and replacing it with human decisions.

Using a separate root stock from your fruiting trees isn't genetic modification or breeding. It's just taking desirable size features from a root stock and growing your desired fruit from that. It still remains two different plant, with two different DNAs. The fruit would produce a child of the fruit tree, the same as if it was grown from seed. If the root tree was allowed to flower it would create a seed the same as if it were never grafted.

GMO are an extremely useful technology. When well regulated and tested will help produce food for the growing world population. The big problems with it are the consequences of it. Plant have been modified to tolerate high doses of weed killer, pesticides and fertilisers. These all help increase the productivity of the land, but the impacts are terrible on the local environment. Residual weed killer and pesticide may pose a risk to human as well.

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SkippingRelax 1 point 3 years ago

Thanks. Comments above yours are a bit disingenuous, trying to bunch up intrusive lab techniques with selective breeding. While the definition of GMO is pretty vague, let's not pretend what Monsanto does is exactly the same as what Native Americans did.

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phoenixz 2 points 3 years ago

It's not. It's more advanced, and yes, it's better.

You know, more technology becomes available, you use it to make life better for everyone. Monsanto execta can go pound dicks, but in principle, GMO food is perfectly fine, safe, and healthy. If anything, it'll be more healthy (more vitamins), more plentiful as new crops can withstand droughts better, etc. etc. etc.

So far the only counter argument to that that I've heard here is "nuh uh!"

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masquenox -7 points 3 years ago

When well regulated and tested will help produce food for the growing world population.

No. It won't.

The Bill Gates/Monsanto Bootlicker Brigade wants to pretend that it's (somehow) the actual foodcrops we have at our disposal that is (somehow) "flawed" and therefore requires unnecessary and (thoroughly patentable) meddling to "fix" - but, like all capitalist "solutions" to the problems caused by capitalism, it is merely a disasterous (but profitable) distraction.

And, of course, this is quite apart from the fact that the right-wing histrionics about "population growth" has turned out like all other right-wing histrionics - false. In a few decades' time, you'll see these same capitalist bootlickers peddling the dubious wonders of GMOs now whining about population shrinkage.

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EatATaco 7 points 3 years ago

You realize that if you cross breed plants and come up with something new, you can patent it? The only point you actually made about GMO is not specific to GMO.

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DAMunzy 10 points 3 years ago

Made me think immediately about GMO and non-GMO anti-science scaredy cats.

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PissChrist 7 points 3 years ago

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EatATaco 8 points 3 years ago

You're right. It's far more precise, quick, and predictable.

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TheBloodFarts 7 points 3 years ago

How so

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Ookami38 4 points 3 years ago

An arbitrary distinction based on timeline and ease of methodology

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PissChrist -17 points 3 years ago

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TheBloodFarts 15 points 3 years ago

I wanted to understand what the difference between the two approaches is, I have no idea what you mean by sealioning

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ysjet 7 points 3 years ago

That's not what sealioning is, but the fact that you instantly resorted to crying 'sealion' that when asked to expound on your opinion shows you know it's not all that different from GMO in the first place.

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rickyrigatoni 5 points 3 years ago

You clearly don't know what that word means.

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Cryophilia 3 points 3 years ago

What's the difference?

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masquenox -10 points 3 years ago

This is what these non GMO types always seem to forget

This is what these nauseating pro-GMO types always seem to forget - developing a food crop for thousands of years to become useful to humanity is not the same thing as destroying food security through capitalist monocropping with the aid of a few dodgy genes injected into something that never needed it in the first place.

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Cryophilia 6 points 3 years ago

destroying food security through capitalist monocropping

This has very little to do with GMOs.

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masquenox -10 points 3 years ago

You want to claim that capitalists are (somehow) not the only people that stands to benefit from GMOs?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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Cryophilia 2 points 3 years ago

That's such a stupid statement I don't even know how to respond. Like I'd probably need to recreate several years of basic education before we could even be in the framework to consider a proper answer to your question. But which point you'd realize what a stupid premise it is.

Let's start here: why the hate for GMOs, when your problem is with capitalism?

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phoenixz 5 points 3 years ago

Yeah, all scientists are evil, all corporations are evil, all people working there are evil, it's all evil.

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masquenox -8 points 3 years ago

Oh look... the bootlicker brigade has shown up.

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BreadOven 3 points 3 years ago

Yes, while monocultures aren't great, GMO crops just speed up the process you mentioned first. Developing a food crop over thousands of years. If we can speed up that process and generate better crops, why wouldn't anyone want that?

The whole politics around GMOs and greedy companies is something I wish didn't exist, but GMOs is the way to go.

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masquenox -3 points 3 years ago

GMO crops just speed up the process you mentioned first.

No. It doesn't. It shits all over the process I mentioned first and then it gets called "progress" by techbros like you.

If we can speed up that process and generate better crops, why wouldn’t anyone want that?

Why would we want that when our food crops have already been developed for us over thousands of years before our food supply was hijacked by a class of profiteering parasites?

Are you listening to yourself?

but GMOs is the way to go.

No. It isn't. Unless you're a fan of everybody but the ultra-rich suffering famine - then it's pretty much a ready-made recipe for you.

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phoenixz 4 points 3 years ago

You literally make one argument: "nuh-uh!"

Maybe read into GMO, what it does?

Yeah, companies like Monsanto can suck dicks, but it's not the only one and even they make loads of advanced too. Blame the managers, not the biologists. Changes to tomato DNA makes it that they stay good much longer, those are the results of GMO, these are the things that people like you are trying to stop.

If the world is to survive the coming climate change disaster, we'll NEED GMO more than anything but we can rest easy knowing that people like you will be on the line to stop that and make sure we'll continue to go hungry.

Learn a little, become less extremist.

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BreadOven 1 point 3 years ago

I'm not into tech, but I am a scientist (chemistry, not biology) but I have a pretty good grasp on it.

If it can generate more hearty crops, it's a net good for everyone.

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bizzle -20 points 3 years ago

Do you think the Native Americans hundreds of years ago were wearing lab coats in clean rooms, CRISPRing fucking maize? Selective breeding is different than genetic modification. If you don't even know what it is or what you're talking about about AT ALL, to the point where you're conflating two completely dissimilar terms, maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself.

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BreadOven 8 points 3 years ago

Sorry, but it doesn't seem like you know what you're talking about. It's essentially the same process, the GMO process is just faster. Also, it was done well before CRISPR was a big thing.

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Doxatek 7 points 3 years ago

I know what you're saying in a way but with crispr you can change single genes and have specific targets. A cross changes thousands of genes at a time

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HaywardT 7 points 3 years ago

GMO is not monocropping either.

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bizzle 2 points 3 years ago

Monocropping sucks for other reasons

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uis 6 points 3 years ago

Selective breeding is different than genetic modification.

Nope. Both are genetic modifications.

CRISPRing fucking maize?

Also not true. CRISPR is bacteria mechanism and is not used in plants.

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HaywardT 3 points 3 years ago

CRISPR would work for other organisms wouldn't it?

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uis 4 points 3 years ago

It would if they had it. AFAIR usually viral vector is used. I recommend you watching thisl channel.

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TheBloodFarts 4 points 3 years ago

Hilariously ironic of you

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phoenixz 4 points 3 years ago

So you should indeed keep your opinion to yourself, then.

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Zachariah 30 points 3 years ago

uh-maize-ing

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shartedchocolate 24 points 3 years ago

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) tireless breeding

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Avg 23 points 3 years ago

Sorry, i don't eat gmo /s

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FiniteBanjo 21 points 3 years ago

I don't know if tireless is the right word, I'm sure they had time to sleep.

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FlyingSquid 26 points 3 years ago

They never came up with the wheel. Of course they were tireless.

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Psythik 9 points 3 years ago

Booooo! 🍅🍅🍅

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FlyingSquid 11 points 3 years ago

You loved it and you know it.

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Psythik 1 point 3 years ago

You see that single downvote? Guess who did it. :P

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Buddahriffic 7 points 3 years ago

Iirc they did come up with the wheel as some children's toys involved it, but just didn't find a practical use for it because they didn't have beasts of burden to pull carts.

Take this with a grain of salt though because I have no idea where this trivia came from, it was just rattling away on my head.

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FlyingSquid 5 points 3 years ago

I believe the Aztecs were the ones with wheeled toys (although it might have been the Maya).

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General_Shenanigans 4 points 3 years ago

Some tribes used stone wheels to crush maize. Full circle.

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Buddahriffic 2 points 3 years ago

Yeah, it was either one of those two or the Inca.

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masquenox 8 points 3 years ago

They were in no rush because they weren't forced to make red arrow go up.

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uis 0 points 3 years ago

Best

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Donjuanme 20 points 3 years ago

What about all of the other varieties of corn? Are they not relatives to each other?

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FlyingSquid 45 points 3 years ago

Look, if you keep asking questions, we're never going to get these crappy corn husk crafts finished.

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ChicoSuave 12 points 3 years ago

They're called tamales!

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Semi_Hemi_Demigod 14 points 3 years ago

I just watched the Good Eats episode about corn so I can answer this: Yes, popcorn, hard corn, and sweet corn are all related to each other.

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bitwaba 6 points 3 years ago

What about candy corn?

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FlyingSquid 2 points 3 years ago

It's a candy grass.

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Floey 1 point 3 years ago

Corn syrup.

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frezik -1 points 3 years ago

It's to be thrown back at the asshole who gave you candy corn.

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ignirtoq 5 points 3 years ago

I knew of popcorn and sweet corn, but what is hard corn used for today? Animal feed?

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Semi_Hemi_Demigod 9 points 3 years ago

A lot is used for animal feed, but we eat it in corn flakes, corn tortillas, and cornbread, plus it's where they get corn syrup which is in damn near everything. It's also processed into ethanol for both fuel and bourbon.

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TexasDrunk 4 points 3 years ago

and bourbon.

The most important use of all.

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bluewing 3 points 3 years ago

You forgot degradable packing peanuts. Turns out you can modify Cheetos(tm) enough they become viable for packing items for shipment.

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FlyingSquid 3 points 3 years ago

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The_v 7 points 3 years ago

All corn varieties are all the same species.

Domesticated corn can also still cross freely with the wild teosinte.

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JoMomma 6 points 3 years ago

All the corn we eat is basically the same, this is referring to the original ancestor to all of them

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RatBin 19 points 3 years ago

I have seen this image many times in my uni courses.

when european first reached the continent, the breeding of the plant was heavily advance, somewhat on the right side of thr image
this is one of the staple crops without which we could not survive.
the current varieties are so productive, but they require all modern farming methods, which can be impactful
if you want to apply biological agriculture, the mkst recent varieties are not a good pick, unless they actively support that
that image also serve as a quick explaination as to how our food systems evolved. When you read ancient folk tales, or even when you read about these plants in Biblical texts, imagine the one on the mid left. A small plant capable of supporting a limited amount of people

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FlyingSquid 11 points 3 years ago

What I think is more interesting in terms of New World staples is what the indigenous people of the Andes did with the potato. Not only did the cultivate dozens of varieties, they also learned how to freeze-dry them for long-term storage. That's amazing for people who just barely entered the bronze age by the time of European contact.

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kinther 15 points 3 years ago

Damn I've never seen the evolution of corn like this before. Really interesting stuff!

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Evil_Shrubbery 13 points 3 years ago

For real tho - any estimations on how many gens/years it took/takes to get from A to at least C?

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Keeponstalin 11 points 3 years ago

But is it non-GMO? /s

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Bishma 9 points 3 years ago

I seem to remember Bill posting a iscorngrass.com (or similar) site on twitter back when the riff was first popular. I'm not finding it if it still exists.

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Zachariah 6 points 3 years ago

corn-y

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groats_survivor 1 point 3 years ago

Is this even true? Why would they keep breeding something inedible and practically useless hoping in thousands of years it'd be edible?

I really don't know, it just seems like a stretch

Edit: spelling

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FlyingSquid 26 points 3 years ago

It is true. They can trace the genetic lineage. The original plant isn't totally inedible, it's just less nutritious and harder to process. The same is true with wild grains in the Middle East. precursors of domesticated crops like wheat and barley were cultivated from wild grasses which produced less, had less nutrition and took more effort to process into flour.

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ForgotAboutDre 20 points 3 years ago

It's wrong to say they were useless like OP suggests. They were very useful. It was a crop you could reliably grow and come back to harvest.

It also stored very well. The breeding was only to make it more useful. It was always useful.

Much of the breeding was just selection. The crops you would pick and store would be larger. So we it came to plant your were using the biggest largest variety every year. A few generations of this would produce notable results. Then even finer and more deliberate selection would be done.

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FlyingSquid 9 points 3 years ago

I didn't make the picture. I just felt that it was finally time to answer the question: Is corn a grass?

It has puzzled Bill Corbetts the world over.

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pythonoob 3 points 3 years ago

Are grains grasses then? Is wheat and barley grass?

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groats_survivor 3 points 3 years ago

Ah that makes sense. Thanks

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FraidyBear -11 points 3 years ago

The one all the way on the right is what used to be stock corn, meaning we gave it to stock animals or ground it into flower. It's not for human consumption the way it's eaten now. Actual maize is quite colorful and was modified for easier human consumption. Ever wonder why corn shits out whole? It's because America gave you our stock corn instead human corn. Congratulations America, I you played yourself.

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rob_t_firefly 9 points 3 years ago

You can see corn in your poop because the outside of the corn kernal is made of cellulose, a.k.a. dietary fiber, that stuff that's good for you because it isn't digested and you poop it out. Meanwhile the nutritious inside of the corn kernal has been easily digested by your body as normal.

The corn in your doody is not the nutritional content, it's the nutritional content's used empty packaging which helps clean the pathways on its way out.

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