Same with Japanese Scotch whiskeys absolutely running the table on ones from Scotland in competitions.

Oh she's sweet but she's Seiko, a little bit Seiko

Misread as Sekiro, was confused about sword fighting and watches, but interested.

To be fair, a crystal clock is just going to be more accurate than a movement based watch. Even the biggest watch fanboys admit that a $30 Seiko Casio outperforms the majority of mechanicals on raw accuracy.

Yeah, well, you can't. It's only available to restaurants, and isn't ready for retail. That's one of the stupid reasons they can't have their stupid award. Stupid sexy cheesish.

Same

The problem with restricting the use of the term "milk" is that people have been using the term "milk" to describe non-dairy liquids for longer than there have been trademarks. The word hasn't ever been used exclusively to describe dairy.

Here's a dictionary entry for "milk" from 1755:

https://johnsonsdictionaryonline.com/1755/milk_ns

Note that it includes almond and pistachio milks.

I tried tofu multiple times in different meals as a alternative for meat, but sadly all were disappointing. Do you have recipes that you can recommend? I am eager to find one.

That's a really dumb argument. Sorry but literally every food is really good when you know what you are doing with it.

It is not even a question of quality.. some of the tastiest food is terrible quality used with great effect.

That doesn't even take into account personal preference, which is majorly just familiarity.

The awards world is filled with awards that would never be given if there wasnt a story to go with it. This vegan cheese is an example of this as well.

Problem is some people don't know that and will just prepare tofu like it's meat, and then wonder why their tofu tastes like shit.

You arent even wrong about this, but you could say the exact same thing about damned near anything that has more than a single opinion on.

Like literally exchange in what i quoted tofu to a burger patty and instead of "like its meat" change it to some aspect of the experience. Whether its what temperature to cook it or how thin or thick it is.

Same exact argument based on different peoples familiarity. Many people dont have just dont care that much and also some people are really bad at cooking.

To sum up my point, you are making a statement that is so broad it is useless

I live mostly on beer, so I'm doing my part.

Has it been confirmed that Bird Flu is transferable via beef? Legit question, I just haven't seen any news about that recently.

All of my beef is in my freezer from a local farmer about two months ago. Hopefully it's clear.

yolo

I mean if you put Thai curry on anything, it's going to taste awesome. Panang for life.

I like this suggestion. Plus it still ultimately reduces beef consumption because maybe I only eat one of these doubles instead of two burgers.

Notwithstanding the fact that the comment was obviously made in jest, why would it matter whether a consumer had anything to do with the preparation of the food? I don't think anyone is genuinely ignorant of where meat comes from.

and I bet you've never rendered

Red flag. No native English speaker talks like this.

"I'm so fun at parties people can't even handle me"

Gift link for access: https://wapo.st/3xQCcYX

According to WebMD and the millions of people that eat kokum butter, it's safe.

None of them care about that. They only care about arguing against vegan foods.

I mean, asbestos is dangerous if broken down and inhaled, so as long as you just eat it and you don't choke on it...

Web MD is crap. Also GRAS is a term that only the FDA can bestow. So yeah it's not GRAS.

The best kind next to feta

Blue cheese is a bit strong for most people, I can respect that, I'm one of those people. The trick is knowing what to pair with blue cheese to help balance it out a bit.

You want my recommendation for how to enjoy some store-bought blue cheese? Try it on a burger, with some sliced avocado instead of lettuce. The meat and the dense fruit balance out the blue beautifully, you get all the nice taste of a blue cheese without feeling like your mouth got nuked from orbit by smelly cheese.

Win win

I get the cheese argument, but the dairy-free ice cream these days is wild. Oatly, and a few others have some incredible offerings.

Oh boy have I got an ice cream for you. wicked kitchen

I just wish the US government would shift subsidies from meat and dairy to alternatives. The modern stuff is very good, it just costs like twice as much! Last time I went grocery shopping, the oat milk was almost the same price as the cow milk, so I bought two gallons, because it also keeps much longer than cow milk.

My local store had five different brands of mint chip vegan ice cream. I've still only tried two and I think they're great.

I've had vegan ice cream before that was so much better than any ice cream I've had before but I don't remember which brand it was and I'm so mad about it. It had this really nice chewy bouncy texture. So good vegan ice cream exists. Now if only I can find it again.

Have I got a book for you - Artisan Vegan Cheese

Better drugs. We need to start putting crack in the vegan cheese it'll still be plant based after all.

Try watching the documentary “You are what you eat” on Netflix, it’s a good intro that covers the health risks of other animal products as well.

Genuine question: how would cheese be considered "murder" in this sense (unless you're just going along with the original comment), I guess another way to weird it would be how is cheese bad, according to veganism and vegetarianism?

thats like saying that the point of buying non nestle water is so that it doesnt taste like nestle water. (yes they all taste a little different, i mostly attribute that to secondary factors though)

Also you can make cheese without murdering cows im pretty sure?

also weird off topic question, im curious about this. But would consuming breast milk as a child be considered non vegan? I realize at this point it doesn't really matter since you have no autonomy as a person, but i'm curious about the ethics in application to humans.

What the hell kind of cheese are you eating?

Parmesan - Follow your heart (https://followyourheart.com/...) It does take a bit but low and slow works for us.

Mozzarella (Try it before you dismiss it, I know its a WTF moment) - https://www.miyokos.com/... I kid you not the promo images of the pizza is actually how it ends up, melts great and blends well. I actually use it in my eggs and my Wife's "JUST egg" as I cook them and it ends up being amazing.

Sorry I don't have an Asiago for you. If you ever find one please let me know.

That's not true. There's no reason to believe kokum requires GRAS affirmation since it's been historically and widely consumed on the Indian subcontinent. That means it's grandfathered in as GRAS by default even if it's not included in their lists.

The FDA not yet giving it GRAS affirmation is not the same as it not being approved for human consumption. Specifically, the FDA did not raise any concerns to a GRAS notice that it has already received for kokum butter as a cocoa butter substitute.

A substance used in food prior to January 1, 1958, may be generally recognized as safe through experience based on its common use in food when that use occurred exclusively or primarily outside of the United States if the information about the experience establishes that the substance is safe under the conditions of its intended use within the meaning of section 201(u) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act

Really limited information on the actual products. Zero ingredients information too.

Looks like you gotta go to a restaurant to taste it. Meh. I just want some bean tacos when I'm back from work that have cheese in them.

🤨📷

Lmao you're calling me one vegan big compared to a multi billion dollar industry assaulting and separating mothers from babies.

They need to moooove over

I would, in fact, definite milk as only coming from a mammal. Coconut milk or soy milk or nut milk or whatever else may superficially resemble milk but they're pretty fundamentally not the same sort of substance as milk.

Bro, come on man. I don't give a fuck what you call cheese but likening dairy to sexual preference discrimination is a bit much.

And I suppose it is up to the organizers of a contest over cheese to define the parameters of what constitutes cheese. But milk seems like a reasonable starting point. It is, after all, a dairy product.

If we can define plant products as milk then we could also define cows as plants. It would make vegan chili contests more interesting.

I don't think you really even need AI (in the sense of LLMs, as that's usually what's referred to with AI) for a flavor pairing software whatchamacallit. I forget what the concept is called but I learned about it through the flavor matrix. Where you essentially compare the different aromatic and flavor compounds in a given food/ingredient and base recommendations off of other foods with compatible compounds in them. A large enough database and a good UI would be a gamechanger for cooking

a lot of cheeses use calf rennet.

Also cheese in general is a by product of the meat industry. You can't have a lactating cow without keeping it perpetually pregnant, Where do you think those calves go?

I promise you it ain't a nice meadow where they get to live out the rest of their "natural" lives frolicking

And then when the milk eventually dries up the dairy cow gets deadded too... FUN!

edit: if you're going to downvote me at least reply stating why you think i'm wrong

Slice'm all up and put it on a board. Yum yum

Yes, and cheese often contains cow.

I haven't had those, but I'm waiting for a plant-based product that tastes like a good Nathan's or Hebrew National.

Some of the Beyond and Impossible stuff I've had has been okay, but I'm not sure if they're vegan.

I love using ground beef substitutes in meatloaf and shepards pie. Using ground flaxseed as a binding agent and coursely ground oats as breadcrumbs has made for some excellent dinner dates!

I wouldn't go that far, but it does have a flavor that the fungus adds that other cheeses don't. However, to win this award, it would have to be pretty indistinguishable from not just blue cheese, but top-of-the-line blue cheese, which is damn impressive for something without any dairy in it.

I'm curious what they can achieve with cheddar based on that.

I'm not convinced of that. At the end of the day, it's a collection of mostly proteins arranged in certain ways plus water and salt. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that something like that can be replicated.

Dairy ain't going anywhere, it's legitimately a national security thing for food scarcity (government cheese). It's still also heavily subsidized of course (as is Corn). Now if that could be swung to a different animal (sheep or goats), that'd have a significant impact environmentally.

I have found their website https://climax.bio/, and the only advertize this product as blue cheese, not Gorgonzola.

That won't fly in the EU, cheese has to be made from milk and milk is the excretions of mammary glands (though some countries have grandfathered in things like coconut milk).

And before a vegan comes around and calls the whole thing nonsense: There's been cases of salami pizza using non-cheese "cheese" but advertising it as cheese. If milk and cheese can be freely applied to animal and non-animal products then it's a given that the likes of Nestle will try their darnest to confuse customers to make extra profit. For the vegans: Each time you want to buy a cheese-like substance you'd have to double-check labels because you never know whether it's animal or non-animal, companies certainly will prefer "cheese" over another term because vegetarians and omnis are way more numerous.

I guess if you don't want to make up a new word for vegan "cheese" Tofu is a good option? "Blue Tofu" doesn't sound too bad.

kokum butter

...is apparently used in chocolate making as a cocoa butter substitute? Can't find any online listings for the stuff outside of cosmetics, though, so I guess it's not approved as foodstuff in the EU. Probably just a matter of going through the paperwork but someone's going to have to do it. The Foundation disqualifying stuff that can't be sold legally as food in the EU TBH doesn't sound particularly sus, though granted they might want to have a separate award for experimental food.

i didn't know that it was an EU body, but i suppose that makes sense.

Regardless, it was a bit of humor, so don't think too hard about it.