Love how the collective of humanity needs to find out because the richest few fucked around.

Thanks to denial, I'm immortal!

I always hated that argument from people.

Even if they're right — which we all know they are not — it wouldn't matter. Climate change is going to devastate human life if we do nothing. If, somehow, the source of the warming wasn't human-caused, we'd still need to find a way to counteract it. It's not our fault doesn't prevent it from being our problem.

Ahhh, yes. The conservative backpedalling.

It's not happening. It's happening but it's all cyclical. It's not cyclical this time but it's not our fault. It's our fault but global warming is good ackshually. Global warming is bad but there's nothing we can do about it. We could do something about it but it's too expensive/late. Maybe it's not too expensive but THE CHINESE!

Had a argument with a person on YouTube, he thought that increased CO2 in the atmosphere would be beneficial. It would help plants grow better!

Also that humans was not behind it.

The sad thing is we're supposed to be in a ice age. The plant is further away from the sun about the same plane since the last ice age.

It's crazy how often I find this fitting: The Four Stage Strategy. At least it gives me a smile now and then.

I've found a clever way to counter those folks is to say, "you might be right, and as the apex species it's our moral obligation to seize control and protect the natural order of things for as long as we are able to slow the coming of hell on earth. Just like our right to shoot guns. Yee haw."

Don't forget crops. You can't eat heat.

Ask them if they'll be at the beach when it's 55c out and all the crops have died.

To be fair, I think both sides blow it out of proportion and that can stifle discussion. It won't be the "end of the world" where everyone will die, but we will have the "end of the world" as we know it.

I think one of the main points that need to be stressed to the kind of people in your example would be droughts.

Droughts will continue to get worse and will affect everyone. With a bad enough drought, we won't be able to feed entire cities. And that's when things really start to fall apart.

Ribbit

Phew, that's a load off my mind.

Per NASA, accurate global readings go back to 1880 and historical localized temperatures go back to the 1650s

Here is a graphic to help visualize the unprecedented rate of temp change. Data source for temperature is cited and likely errors are explained. https://xkcd.com/1732/

Recycling plastic is more so a lie fed by the plastic manufacturers.

I think that was the joke....

So why have I been wasting my time?!? Captain planet is an asshole

Of course it is, but consumers generally don't make the decisions about resource procurement and manufacturing. They only drive the demand. However, demand is also heavily shaped by both the cultural zeitgeist as well as marketing, which is in turn funded by corporations.

So in effect, it all comes down to corporations.

Which should be our government. But we're too busy trying to prevent fascism and climate change denial as a whole to affect how much we're doing about climate change.

We need bigger changes now. For instance, we need to take aggressive military action against anyone burning bunker fuel on the ocean, and that needs to happen soon.

We're not locked in for the next 20 years. Not for the next 10.

The carbon in the atmosphere is going to be there for the next millenium and the temperature won't level out till the 2100s if we stopped all carbon emission right this second.

Furthermore, if we did stop all emissions right now, the planet would get 0.5-1.5 °C hotter within a year or two due to the end of the aerosol pollution cooling effect that's been cutting the effects of carbon induced climate change in half this whole time.

This year is so hot because they put limitations on sulfur emissions from shipping boats in the Pacific. Those emissions were cooling the atmosphere, but the aerosol emissions (which that sulfur is one of) only last in the atmosphere for about 2 weeks before they're rained out of the air.

We're fucked.

Removing CO2 from the atmosphere is a speculative technology at the moment.

Like, yes, we "can" do it, if you ignore all the materials and energy needed to perform that process. And that's just in theory, in practice its bound to be far more difficult.

No matter how you put it, it's easier to just... Not release the pollution in the first place. If it's too difficult to stop polluting, it will certainly be too difficult to remove that pollution that has been already released. Entropy and all that.

Removing CO2 from the atmosphere is something we should only really start thinking about when the world already runs nearly entirely cleanly.

I'm genuinely curious at this point if that point even exists. Like, I've had legitimate conversations with multiple people and i've asked them "what would need to happen for you to believe in human's causing climate change?" The answer is generally something along the lines of "I'm not sure it's even possible for humans to have that big of an effect on the earth."

I would imagine there are tons of people out there who think the same, people with VERY deep pockets and in equally powerful positions that would never change course on their money making machines. Literally the only way I see substantial change happening is if it becomes incredibly profitable.

The rich and powerful have to see very direct problems that affect them. Kind of like when social conservative politicians take an anti-LGBT position, then turns out their kid is trans, so then they pivot to being pro-LGBT in rhetoric so they can keep talking to their kid.

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This guys vid on vaccines blew my mind

The phrasing made me think it was a Some More News reference and I’m pleasantly surprised to have something new to check out - thanks!

Eh, reality has a liberal bias.

I'd have to research if your weather is more extreme than ours or not.

I've yet to visit the Maritimes. It's on my wishlist.

I think the link to communities needs to be !c/winnipeg@lemmy.ca

The way yours is written makes causes my app to search for a user instead of a community.

Edit: Nevermind, that format also didnt work, sorry :(

I already subscribed there. Thanks!

Moving south to a warmer climate usually means either significantly warmer summers or a significantly higher cost of living. Or both.

Yeah it sucks dealing with extreme cold occasionally and long winters, but it’s a lot better than living in the south where it’s unbearably hot and humid for 8 months of the year. And any place with a temperate climate such as the Pacific coast is prohibitively expensive.

It's not that bad. You just put on more clothes

I will gladly, cheerfully, trade any 39c day for a -39c day. Cold is easily manageable with more / better clothes. Even when dressed for the heat, it still saps your energy like crazy and makes you feel like shit in the process.

THANK YOU!! that's such a good idea

It's wise to have a small toaster oven if you absolutely need to cook something. They preheat fast and obviously put off less heat than a full oven. I don't really bother with the oven much these days as it's getting over 110 here at the moment. Also cook after the sun sets

Well, you can't so celebrating one poor guy's AC going out in a heatwave is kind of a dick move, besides, it's not AC in it of itself that is causing global warming, i'd bet that if we ran all AC on solar we'd still be fucked.

Also it's businesses cooling (empty) offices that are the bulk of the % of AC watt hours used.

AC uses about 10% of all electricity globally. However, that's electricity, not energy. If you include fossil fuels burned in engines in the energy equation, it drops to closer to 1.5%. There are bigger fish to fry.

Numbers: global energy production (all sources): ~650 EJ (exajoules). Total electricity consumption is ~23000 TWh -- about 85 EJ.

Do you know how many people literally die every summer because they don't have AC (let alone simply suffer)? AC is becoming a growing necessity.

Besides, AC is pretty small game compared to the big polluters.

Do you live outside? Under a liquid cooled tree? In a temperate zone? Never used electricity in your life?

What makes people become that dumb?

What like they moved the sensors closer to the sun?

Do you have any sources? I doubt we would see similar economies of scale compared to current farming.

I agree with you in spirit, but that last sentence is pushing it.

I get the whole weather vs climate thing, but this heat is going past that. It's pretty difficult to not attribute this historically unprecedented heat wave directly to climate change.

Yes we have to look at accumulated data, not any particular data point or weather event. And so there will always be visceral rejections based on anecdotal experience which just feels more relevant than the actually-relevant data.

Calling it global warming isn't stupid, the globe is warming. It doesn't mean "everywhere is warming" but "the global average is warming".

Sad but true. Politicians in general appear to be a spineless lot, appealing only to their corporate donors.

This beautiful little comic has never stopped being relevant since the very day it was made. Ever more destructive pushes for profit, all for that beautiful shareholder value.

Winter's been weird in Michigan the last few years. Really really bad snow, then all gone in two days. No snow piles in the parking lots that last all winter.

I suppose on a global scale, probably. I live in Sweden, so way up north, climate has been royally fucked here for a while, mostly in the sense that it's just been wrong. Short cold winters. Spread out cold snaps. Weird heatwaves. Not 50C like some places, but back in 2018 I think we were pushing 40, which is just unheard of.

Thankfully we've not had something since but it's just a matter of time.

They obviously don't want us to know what really happened in '78!! The truth cannot be hidden any longer, open your eyes people! The cries of the carrots! The cries of the carrots!

I dont know, I remember my dad saying "what a scorcher" in 1978 (or so he told me later when I was both alive and could understand spoken language) so you never know, you never never know

the fact that the only places in the world that have people who even want to continue to live in denial are the US, UK and Australia cough Murdoch's* cough makes me want to go outside and lie in a pile of wet leaves

I'm aware you didnt ask, but I heard an interview with some asshole from Florida yesterday and he said "I'm against this whole globalist shit!" and I thought for a moment what an alien or even say god would make of someone saying "one species? humanity? NO- this one group here, this is us and they are them".. and it just became so clear to me, once again, that people who can't move beyond the idea of tribes are just simply less evolved than other people, and as little as natural evolution is still functioning, I'm hoping against hope that it still works a little, and the more intellectually developed will leave the less developed behind.

while I'm dreaming, I'd also like an infinite bank account thank you

Yeah but the original toot is only taking about measured temps, not proxy temps.

I don't mean to disagree or argue, but I still think this is a delicate point.

We are moving Earth out of the climate in which humanity emerged, survived, lived and prospered.

Some point out how terrible it would be to stop using oil and coal. Which it would. But on the other hand - we survived 200'000 years without oil and coal, but we never had to endure the climate in which we are speeding right now.

I think we mostly have the same point. I just find it worth noting the climate has not been this hot ever in the whole of mankinds existence.

How is this whataboutism? Who said anything about the West or East vs West?

If anything this comment is about how China continues to increase their carbon emissions per capita year over year while the west is doing the opposite.

Edit: In fact the EU produces less then China per capita...

It's better to focus everywhere. Not gonna solve this by shifting blame. That goes for EU/US shifting blame to China as well.

In the northern summer earth is further away from the sun, so this neglegible effect is not the reason, but rather is getting overpowered by the effect of water keeping the temperatures more steady over the year than land

And cause 87% of the planets population resides above the equator.

Cool, thanks!

No. This is a global average, not one weighted by population. (Edit for spelling)

lol, i didn't notice the spanglish, i was typing in spanish just before that commnet, and this most often happens to me right after switching languages

What I'm saying is that's when that particular recording began. We've surely measured temperature and recorded it before 1979. So it's the hottest day in the history of that particular recording. Not necessarily the hottest day ever recorded in the history of man kind as the article title makes it sound.

It's also a fundamental misunderstanding of how global warming actually works. It's like grabbing a glass of water and sloshing it around: the fact that the water level might look lower if you cherry-pick a measurement in the trough of a ripple doesn't somehow disprove that you added energy to the system.

Probably just UK

They put it in quotes, so I think they may just be mocking people who say such things IRL.

I'm repeating the conservative argument. There's 4 or 5 templated responses every time agw comes up