I hate how people vote based on who has a cooler picture rather than their agenda.
I fucking hate politics.
Vote out the career politicians who don't really give a shit about you
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FlashMobOfOne 59 points 2 years ago
People didn't vote for Biden because they supported his agenda. He was the fifth least-popular candidate in 2020, barely ahead of "Mike" Bloomberg.
The DNC promised favors to the other candidates in exchange for dropping out and endorsing Biden, because in their minds it was better to have a brain-dead candidate than risk nominating a socialist.
And now fascism's here.
Asafum 24 points 2 years ago
Ok I get all that, like yeah we made all the wrong decisions as far as stopping fascism but have you considered wall street?
Why does no one care about the poor poor ultra wealthy wall street people!? Yeah sure we're about to see what happens when the world's largest military is run by Hitler #2, but at least Democrats protected wall street interests!
Wes4Humanity 12 points 2 years ago
Wall Street= the economy... Duh
derpgon 7 points 2 years ago
I actually hoped Bernie would run last time Trumpler won again Hillary. In my eyes, he is competent, intelligent, and has some good ideas. Of course, he was old, and is even older now, and maybe out of touch with the younger gens, but at least better than Biden, and has a nice following.
Also memes.
WhatAmLemmy 38 points 2 years ago
At this point the US is just a failed state, doing failed state things, because it's a failed state. The writing's been on the wall for decades, but even though I expected the dictatorship within my lifetime since I was a teenager, I never expected it to be so god damned stupid. I expected it to be someone cunning and competent. Not a total fucking moron.
FlashMobOfOne 16 points 2 years ago
I definitely didn't expect the oligarchy to go the useful idiot route either, but man, when you can elect an idiot as useful as Donald Trump, I figure they feel pretty well empowered.
conditional_soup 5 points 2 years ago
I definitely agree with you on that.
Tom_Hanx_Hail_Satan 30 points 2 years ago
I've been thinking a lot about how the assassination attempt will effect Bidens chances at victory. I read one take that I agree with, the basic idea is that it won't effect polling data that much. That's with the belief that there are no real undecided voters in this election. The key issue is voter turnout per party. And the biggest effect is that this will cause Trump supporters to have high turnout rates. Biden will never do well in that enthusiasm gap, which is a major reason why it would have been best to stick to a single term, can't undue that though.
There is a unique opportunity at DNC. Assuming Trump will do nothing to "turn down the tempture" Biden can step down as the nominee, claiming his family convinced him to, fearing an assassination attempt. That will flip the entire narrative. There should be an open primary as well. 1 debate with x number of Dems, don't just nominate Harris, again, democrats need enthusiasm to have a high turnout. That debate will be a huge television event and it will be about the issues, Democrats will win, down ballot even, when they all say tax the rich over and over again.
That's just me writing a script for this shit. But at this point, fuck it, replace Biden with George Clooney. He's just as qualified as Trump was in 2016.
IchNichtenLichten 7 points 2 years ago
And the biggest effect is that this will cause Trump supporters to have high turnout rates.
Could you explain how? Flip it around: if a registered Dem took a shot at Biden would that help his turnout? I'm not so sure.
Cowbee 20 points 2 years ago
It depends on how it was handled. Trump got an excellent PR photo, and the dems have been tripping over each other in their rush to support him and civility. This is a massive win for Trump in the eyes of his voterbase. In non-Trump voter eyes, it won't make any difference, but it doesn't need to. This election will be won or lost not by policy, but by voter engagement, and Biden has been doing very poorly recently with that regard.
IchNichtenLichten -1 points 2 years ago
How many Trumpers will even have this at the front of whatever passes for their minds in 4 month's time?
Xanis 13 points 2 years ago
Your mistake is using the usual logic. That flip only works to identify breaks in a logical way of thinking and serves to highlight how something might not make sense in reverse. Except instead of If A then B and if B maybe not A, we have:
If not fascist, vote Biden
vs
Trump.
He is the equation. No if-then statements, no maybes, nothing. Just the equation of Trump.
He is their god-king. If he says drink cyanide, a shocking percentage would do so. Because of the assassination attempt the timeline has shifted. It is no longer a race of one terrible choice and one middle-of-the-road choice, now especially it is about image and the charisma to represent a figure to the people who need to vote. Allow me to lay a short timeline:
Joe announces a second term. This was his chance to tell all of us that if he can't do it he will step down, for the good of all of us. This creates trust in a leader that understands what is important.
Trump confirms he will run. GOP immediately behind him while playing smoke and mirrors.
Fast forward through mostly normal months if you put aside all the court meetings with Trump at the head.
Joe challenges Trump to a debate. ALL OF US expect Trump to get destroyed. Despite his intelligence, old age is showing and Biden fumbles the ball. Honestly not badly in any other year, he just fumbled it next to one of the biggest imbeciles in recent history and because expectations were high, the fall went further.
However, this is a chance for Joe to recover. Apologize for his performance. Go full Dark Brandon. Explode out onto the news and talk shows. Hire Wendy's PR team and have then run his social media accounts. Admit he fucked up and then step up strongly and precisely. This is how you turn these situations around in your favor.
He continues to fumble and honestly? It isn't truly even his fault, until he admits that he is staying in to "do his best". Now the responsibility is 100% on his shoulders for everything, period. Before this he may have had wiggle room. Unfortunately, that is a statement of ownership. It was not popular.
Then Trump gets shot. Since it happened, best case was him not getting hit at all. Second best was the shooter finding success. Worst case scenario, well...see Trump holding a pose, blood running down the side of his face. Before this moment, Biden was unpopular, though still Biden. There remained ways to regain a foothold. Now even I, who supported him staying in, cannot find a reason for him to do so. He's lost the image game. A single bullet shifted the scale.
To win now it's on us to be the leaders. We all need to come out in numbers never before seen. Without our own figurehead, and there are people whose image could easily challenge and outstrip Trump's, we can now only rely on our collective desire to stop this evil. The problem is the people who can beat him don't want the job.
They would be heroes.
I just don't feel they'll step up.
IchNichtenLichten 10 points 2 years ago
I just don’t feel they’ll step up.
Nobody is going to risk fracturing the party by announcing that they're running against the incumbent. It's really on Biden to declare he's out of the race first. I hope he does so.
rekorse -3 points 2 years ago
I'm sorry did you really say you decided Biden couldn't win because Trump got shot? Are you not going to vote for Biden over it too?
Sorta sounds like all we need to do to fix this problem is for you to vote for Biden. Would also help if you didnt make arguments against voting for him too. What's your end goal here anyways?
Tom_Hanx_Hail_Satan 9 points 2 years ago
Bro lol this is the comment section for AOC calling out other dems for "resigning to fascism". She literally did that.
rekorse 1 point 2 years ago
I think we are seeing that not all Democrats have thought through their position, and are apparently figuring it out live mid conversation.
That or its troll farms trying to get Biden to lose.
UltraGiGaGigantic 0 points 2 years ago
Yeah but that involves the DNC offering representation in exchange for votes. They aren't interested in doing so.
You are to kiss Joe bidens feet and smile. Or else.
jet 27 points 2 years ago
I find myself agreeing with everything you just said.
The fact the political system in the US is effectively captured by two parties that act the same "purple party" on many major issues (genocide for instance) isn't giving people much choice.
Going into this election where the choices have are Biden vs Trump when quite a lot of people would prefer ANYONE else, but the party system refusing to give them any other options (even primaries) speaks to how poorly this system is representing people
explodicle 3 points 2 years ago
We could literally hold a lottery, pick a random registered voter, and I'm 90% sure they'd be better.
thisorthatorwhatever 10 points 2 years ago
Just wait to the shit show of the the the August 19th Democratic Convention in Chicago. Pro Israeli and Pro Palestinian groups will be marching. An alphabet soup of causes will also be on the march. It will only add the confusion surrounding the Democratic's policies, and turn people off voting.
thawed_caveman 10 points 2 years ago
Replacing Biden was always a good idea, and the opposition always had the argument of "Biden is unfit for the presidency yet is still being pushed by his party, therefore the Democratic party is dumb"; but now prominent Democrats have (correctly in my opinion) called for Biden to be replaced. So there's no going back now. If they don't, the oppisition now has an even stronger argument: "Biden is unfit for the presidency, members of his own party have called for his replacement, yet he hasn't been replaced, therefore the Democratic party is really dumb".
Finding a candidate that energizes voters and creates a big turnout is hard, but not impossible, the 2020 primaries have minted several candidates and raised their profile.
Funnily enough, AOC turns 35 this October, she's too young by like a few months if i get this right?
Asidonhopo 9 points 2 years ago
She would be 35 by January and that's what would count in this very hypothetical situation
thawed_caveman 2 points 2 years ago
Right so i didn't know exactly when a candidate has to be 35 (at time of nomination, election day, investiture...); if it's investiture then an AOC candidature is technically possible, though i think we'd have heard about it by now if she had that intention
balderdash9 10 points 2 years ago
I'm going to read this comment to my kids instead of a bedtime story
explodicle 3 points 2 years ago
My daughter is old enough to be figuring stuff out and she's been asking some really difficult questions about the election.
IchNichtenLichten 8 points 2 years ago
Trump looked composed and almost presidential next to Joe in that debate.
That has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with CNN allowing the sack of shit to lie his ample ass off for 90 minutes without any kind of pushback from the "moderators".
ryathal 5 points 2 years ago
This is a really good summary. The one thing that might help Biden from the assassination is that it could reduce Trump's campaign schedule. Which is good, because Biden has no defense for the campaign abilities of Trump. There is still almost definitely going to be a point in September/October, where Trump makes more appearances and talks to the press more than Biden has in his term, but it's probably going to be over about a month or so instead of 2-3 weeks.
UltraGiGaGigantic 5 points 2 years ago
Ranked Choice voting will Introduce much needed competition into the electoral process. We should all be pressing our state representatives about making plans to switch away from First-past-the-post voting.
explodicle 2 points 2 years ago
How should we be pressing them? Money? Votes? Something else that they care about?
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conditional_soup 22 points 2 years ago
Yes. Which is part of why I'm frankly pretty concerned about the possibility that there's no real path to victory for the democrats here. That debate should have been an easy W for anyone, instead Joe got up on stage, said "heads up, chucklefuck", and blew his own leg off on national TV.
daltotron 4 points 2 years ago
instead Joe got up on stage, said “heads up, chucklefuck”, and blew his own leg off on national TV.
I feel like that would've been more impressive actually if he did that. "I'm joe biden, and this is jackass" style thing. I've been saying one single kickflip or backflip outta this guy could save the country or whatever.
timbuck2themoon -5 points 2 years ago
Um...yes? Every "oh I'm gonna vote for the Dem" person here somehow either absolves Trump of things OR they even play it up - "he looked presidential."
That's just pure garbage and should be called out as such. I'm not the only person thinking there are a few people nervous but a hell of a lot on here that are just muddying the waters as trolls or paid influencers.
Especially when you look at how the media has approached it too. Somehow everything is on Biden but no one calls out obvious lies of Trump, no one talks about his 34 felony convictions, his being a rapist, his hiding and refusal of giving back classified docs which were surely shown to a hell of a lot of people who shouldn't see them, etc.
But yeah- Biden was bad in one debate and that's all we're gonna focus on...
Not to mention the stark difference in actual accomplishments or failures in their admins. What a joke. And if you are serious- you're doing everyone a disservice by focusing on performative bullshit like they want you to instead of actual competence while in the job.
Omega_Man 7 points 2 years ago
I'm not talking about the media. I'm talking about this post. OP had one line that said he looked presidential (in comparison to Biden's old man demeanor). He also laid out a ton of issues the Democrats have to overcome before November. I feel like I'm living 2016 part 2.
Krauerking 5 points 2 years ago
Hey.
The conversation is happening whether you like it or not. Plugging your ears and screaming that everyone else talking about it is a waste of time because the other guy is obviously worse and you personally won't vote for him... Means you just won't see the results coming.
Great for you. Really annoying to everyone else trying to do something about it.
If you want to complain about the people trying to find a solution out great but stop pretending you are being helpful for it. These conversations will continue here and everywhere else. Hopefully you get tired of hearing yourself complain before the end cause lots of people already are.
abracaDavid 1 point 2 years ago
Lol Biden didn't just have one bad debate. This is the way he is now. He's too old and his health is deteriorating before our eyes
HawlSera 4 points 2 years ago
I'm amazed people thought Trump looked good.. I mean Biden stumbled a bit sure, but Trump basically said "Stalin came back from the grave and started eating white christian babies in front of the Washington Monument!"
clearedtoland 3 points 2 years ago
The debate: honest to fuck, Trump looked composed and almost presidential next to Joe in that debate.
I swear that my wife practically wanted to divorce me for saying this right after. I wouldn’t vote for him with a gun to my head but watching that debate, the Trump on stage that night was the President I’d want other world powers to wrangle with.
TopRamenBinLaden -2 points 2 years ago
So you would want the president of the US to make up obvious lies and name call like a child when dealing with other world powers? Just go up there and sniff his own farts at the UN meeting or whatever?
I know Biden did poorly, but that doesn't mean we have to act like Trump did well. Any compent politician would have have made him look stupid in that debate, and the same would happen on the world stage.
BallsandBayonets 4 points 2 years ago
With no outside context, using just the performances of the two candidates in that debate, one looked less senile than the other. That's all they're saying. Doesn't make the Toupee a good choice, just the less worse one (again, based only on the performance in that debate and ignoring everything else).
MrPoopbutt 0 points 2 years ago
Shame that there are so few competent politicians.
explodicle 1 point 2 years ago
There's tons of fantastic politicians, they're just all local.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie 0 points 2 years ago
This is written by someone completely out of touch with reality.
and now that whole rug has gotten yanked out from under them because if they keep using that rhetoric, it’s going to get someone killed.
It's not the rhetoric that will get someone killed it's the very real abuse of the system that goes on right under our noses. What is more convincing that Trump is the next Hitler? Joe, the guy you said is losing his composure, saying that trump is hitler or 6 supreme court justices giving the president absolute immunity from things like, "assisanating political rivals."
It's the latter you fool, the rhetoric is on point.
conditional_soup 6 points 2 years ago
Hey, acting mean and superior is a poor crutch for a bad argument.
If you'd read my post, you'd understand that what I'm saying is that the Democrats are using the fact that they're not the fascists as their primary outreach and fundraising platform. The problem is that there's no soft way to deliver that message; you can't say "hey, these guys are actual Nazis, but it's like totally cool, don't shoot them" without undermining your entire messaging. So, now that the democrats have decided to stop saying mean things about the fascists for fear that the fash will get the bash, the messaging has gone from "shut up and vote or we'll get Hitler" to "shut up and vote". Forgive me if I don't find that to be a particularly powerful rallying cry, but I have some concerns about the ability of "just shut up and vote" to get people to the ballot box.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie -1 points 2 years ago
The problem is that there’s no soft way to deliver that message; you can’t say “hey, these guys are actual Nazis, but it’s like totally cool, don’t shoot them” without undermining your entire messagin
As if the only reason to not shoot someone is ideology.
It's not a rallying cry it's the reality.
Mean? superior? No, you have no legs. You are just pissing in the pot.
If you will, address my main assertion. That the Supreme Court has exposed the GOP as fasict. I know you can't because that isn't why you're here with your defeatism.
conditional_soup 5 points 2 years ago
Uh... Yes? I think that if you'd actually read what I've written, you would see that I make no secret of the fact that the GOP are fascists. That's the point, the democrats have hitched themselves to the strategy of being the not fascists, and now they have no way forward. You can't say "these guys are actual Nazis, that really actually want to do Nazi shit [and they do], but be cool about it." It's the political equivalent of "listen, there's a nuclear strike incoming, but keep calm and carry on, maybe bring an umbrella." Either you're going to send the message that you have no idea what you're talking about about, or that you don't seriously believe in the threat; either way, it makes you sound like you're full of shit and people will tune you out.
I think the best approaches at this point are to promote the P2025 talking points with no editorializing, just lay them bare and let people draw their own conclusions. ALSO, they need to put forward a bold, real alternative to the fash instead of just finger wagging. People are starving for the system to work for them, the GOP are exploiting that, why aren't the democrats?
Edit: They also need to not be afraid of the conclusions people might draw from learning about what the GOP wants. If you want people to know the fascists are fascist, you have to be okay with some people deciding on sic semper tyrannis. It's fine to disavow them, to discourage them, but you can't flinch.
SparrowRanjitScaur -1 points 2 years ago
I don't know what debate you watched, but trump was terrible. Honestly, they both were. But Biden at least stayed on topic and talked about policy. Trump just ranted about random shit the entire time. Biden came out better IMO.
conditional_soup 2 points 2 years ago
That's fair, everything was about immigration this, immigration that, and it was upsetting, particularly because he was practically on stage by himself. It was upsetting that Joe couldn't ever seem to get his head on straight. Even when he did "come alive", it just felt like "confused old man yells at Wal-Mart employee" more than it reminded me of 2020 Joe.
Wes4Humanity 91 points 2 years ago
"senior Democrats" would rather Trump than a progressive. At least Trump is good for their stocks.
jorp 54 points 2 years ago
These fuckers insider trade and make money no matter which way the market goes. This isn't it, they just know that no matter who wins the rich will continue to run the country so it doesn't really matter to them. The only threat to the wealthy ruling class is the left (not liberals, the actual left)
Wes4Humanity 5 points 2 years ago
True
YeetPics -7 points 2 years ago
There are several HUGE 'left' spaces on Lemmy.
None of them have any advice, none of them are 'leading the charge' of reforming the USA.
the only thing I've seen them bring to the table is an elevated nose, blind judgement based on delusion, and calls for more violence. Those aren't the traits of a movement I can support
Krauerking 15 points 2 years ago
I actually did try to run for a local election and have tried to organize unions before.
Neither went very well and for the local office position I actually tried to work with a "progressive" election fund who never wanted to talk politics but just money. Literally told me I was too poor to run and that my dollars would be better spent with them finding better candidates.
It's a sham not exactly possible to break through without a lot of luck and momentum. They have said age makes you more conservative but it seems to actually just be money and wealth and accumulation of things makes you so.
I think the reason you don't see more is the "left" is mostly just people poor and tired. The social left liberals above us just like to use our backing while supporting an easier to work with marginalized group that looks better and is easier than solving wealth inequality flavor of the month.
It's tiring you know?
Wes4Humanity 4 points 2 years ago
I tried to run as well... Didn't have any progressive groups around, but the state Dem party doesn't help anyone except top of the ticket. They didn't mind asking me to drop off flyers for their candidates though.
I've also tried to organize a union 3 times in 3 different jobs, and the problem there is just everyone not wanting to do anything extra if it's in any way work related... Even if it's to make their lives better... But I do get that the reason for that is mostly that they're already overworked and underpaid, so they don't feel like they have the time or energy.
Wes4Humanity 5 points 2 years ago
Want to start something for real?
smokescreen 4 points 2 years ago
Lemmy is pretty much just reddit
angstylittlecatboy 10 points 2 years ago
He's not though.
Krauerking 10 points 2 years ago
He is. They own the same stocks in the same companies.
Democrats like immigrants the same reason the Republicans do they just don't have to pretend to hate them for their base they are replacing the labor with. And will also accept cheap slaves if they can get them.
Democrats are even some of the largest receivers of donations from weapons manufacturers they just more carefully call it "Defense Funds".
Do not fail to see the upper party member apathy as anything other than acceptable oligarchy capitalism with anger that they will have to try harder on social pandering.
Wes4Humanity 4 points 2 years ago
Probably better than someone like Bernie would be. Only because the rich would pull their money out and crash the economy so they could blame it on him. Personally I'd call it economic terrorism and put them all in Guantanamo
RIPandTERROR 1 point 2 years ago
Or names apparently
BigBenis 72 points 2 years ago
"This kind of leadership is functionally useless to the American people."
It's been that way for a long time now. Frankly, I can't think of a single agenda the Democratic party has rallied behind in recent memory that isn't not being a Republican. The Democratic leadership is useless, that's just been better than the malicious alternative.
Edit: I'm getting responses referencing Biden policies or those that are advocated for by a few outspoken Dems. These are not what I'm referring to. The Democratic party as a whole has no message, no mission, no agenda seemingly other than "patch up the damage that the Republicans leave". No wonder Democratic voters aren't motivated, we're not being represented we're just voting to slow the inevitable decay.
FlashMobOfOne 34 points 2 years ago
We don't have universal health care.
The school loan forgiveness was exceedingly niche, and since Biden could have forgiven all student loans unilaterally, I'm not willing to pretend it was a major achievement. The man just rearranged deck chairs on the Titanic.
Omega_Man -4 points 2 years ago
Yes. But why don't we have universal healthcare or student loan forgiveness? Could there be another party blocking everything?
Dem: here is a comprehensive student loan forgiveness plan. Vote to help your constituents.
Reps: No.
Leftists:why are the parties the same, LIBERAL?
WanderingVentra 23 points 2 years ago
Biden didn't campaign on universal healthcare. Most of the Democrats didn't, it's why Bernie got popular off that. Same with student loan forgiveness until Bernie started mentioning it. They just don't care about it as much as they say they do.
IchNichtenLichten 15 points 2 years ago
But why don’t we have universal healthcare or student loan forgiveness?
If you think that's only because of Republicans I have some terrible news for you.
FlashMobOfOne 9 points 2 years ago
You're right.
It's so hard.
They should just... keep making excuses instead of working harder.
UnderpantsWeevil 19 points 2 years ago
they’re not perfect
Band-aid on a gunshot wound, but I'm sorry its the best we could do. It's not perfect, but the other guy wants to hit you with another bullet.
So, anyway, here's another $50B bank bailout. And a $100B automotive industry rescue. And $200B for the wars overseas. And $25B for Intel to build a new foundry in Israel that makes specially designed chips to help Microsoft do weird invasive AI data-scraping more efficiently.
But sorry we can't do anything about health care or education costs. We just don't have the money, cause we're not perfect.
FlashMobOfOne 10 points 2 years ago
"Not perfect"
You can get that knitted on a pillow in November when the facade of fascism becomes an overt reality to which the Democrats escorted us with false promises.
kautau 26 points 2 years ago
Those are valiant causes, and I am a democrat. But did the party rally behind them? The GOP frequently votes unanimously to gut social spending, strengthen the military, etc, but I wish the democrats did the opposite, unanimously, and voted for every social good we should pass
Anticorp 4 points 2 years ago
They have delivered school loan assistance. It's income driven, but that's the most they could push through with Republicans blocking them every step of the way. But they've already issued millions in savings and are constantly trying to issue more.
FlashMobOfOne 7 points 2 years ago
What health care?
Obamacare only covers you if you can afford to be price gouged.
BallsandBayonets 3 points 2 years ago
Don't forget the tax penalty that you have to pay if you can't afford insurance! At least until the Toupee got rid of that, and though it disgusts me to say it is the one good thing that administration did.
BigBenis 2 points 2 years ago
Universal healthcare is not a priority for the Democratic party as a whole despite their voters' pleas for it. Still only a few outliers in the party seem to advocate for it. Biden himself has been reluctant to embrace it.
And I don't remember student loan forgiveness being an especially popular platform before Biden took office. Sure it's helped a lot of people but it feels very much like a, "we'll take what we can get" policy versus something we've been asking for over decades.
SuddenDownpour 2 points 2 years ago
You can't have truly public healthcare without public clinics and hospitals. How many public hospitals have Democrats built or bought lately?
Edit: I'll see you all at the next thread where you're complaining about health-related bankruptcy after you downvote me for this post. You morons deserve what you got.
marzhall 13 points 2 years ago
Most recent they passed the Inflation Reduction Act in '21, which gets me 30%* off my solar panels among a bunch of good moves for the country re: medication costs and the world re: global warming, and was voted against by every Republican.
Because of the level of polarization we have today, Republicans that vote with Dems worry about being primaried out of their seat, so the Republicans are against everything the Dems do anyway. It's impossible not to be defined by the phrase "not that guy" when "that guy" does the opposite of what you do on purpose.
Edit: bump from 20-> 30% Thanks Dempf!
sudo 47 points 2 years ago
In a full blown military coup they would but that's not the kind of coup Project 2025 threatens. They'll be one of the last to go. They'll constantly ask us to donate and vote while doing absolutely nothing to stop it. Controlled opposition.
CileTheSane 14 points 2 years ago
Trump says he'll be a dictator Day 1: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PRpfNJMpHcc
gnutard -19 points 2 years ago
https://youtu.be/eadlfYxElW8?si=pndC5habsI70h9JI
They actually cut off what he said. Watch the first 40 seconds of this video. He said 'We're closing the border and we're drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I'm not a dictator'. He was making a joke.
CileTheSane 12 points 2 years ago
Right, history is full of examples of people becoming dictators temporarily and then stopping once they do the one or two things they wanted to do without being held accountable...
...No, wait, history is full of the opposite of that. When people tell you who they are, believe them.
explodicle 11 points 2 years ago
"I was just joking guys!"
There's nothing more permanent than a temporary solution.
DragonTypeWyvern 0 points 2 years ago
Conservatives don't deserve voting rights as non-sentient fungi.
cheers_queers 11 points 2 years ago
just.... read it?
Omega_Man -4 points 2 years ago
It doesn't say anything about removing sitting house members. It says a ton of bad shit, no need to add fake stuff on top.
Edit: if someone can show me where it says this, I will happily delete this comment (or maybe I'll delete it in Terror?)
Communist_Synthesizer 4 points 2 years ago
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Is this acceptable?
KevonLooney 54 points 2 years ago
Fucking vote
Facebones 49 points 2 years ago
Almost as if they've spent decades not giving a single shit about the consolidation of power and march toward fascism and instead have dedicated all their energy snuffing out anything left of "mid right" on a neutral scale.
UltraGiGaGigantic 13 points 2 years ago
The bipartisan war on drugs will not end with marijuana legalization
Zeppo 2 points 2 years ago
Biden claimed in the past election that he thought only he could beat trump, for some reason. Not sure i've seen that this season, but what he would mean is only he can save the country from Trump, which is very different than what's implied here or the ridiculous bullshit that Trump says. Trump literally says "I alone can fix it". You're welcome to find me a place where Biden said something like that.
PhlubbaDubba 36 points 2 years ago
I'm regretting not looking for an office to run for now, there needs to be a retire and replace move among the democrats.
We need less aisle reachers and more firebrands who'll nail the GOP to their heinous ideals like a roman centurion handling a thief's sentencing and pile the shame on them relentlessly, I don't want to see this spineless shit, I wanna see someone having to debate across from Margie Infidelitress back her far enough into a corner for her to start having a crying panic attack, and then when the parliamentarian calls for decorum threaten to come up there and put the gavel up their ass sideways if they dare interrupt the much needed dressing down again before it's finished.
I wanna see someone pay their staff bounties for graffitying the doors of election deniers for being the traitors they are.
I want to see someone begin carrying an obvious vanity cain around and brandish it at any Republican who tries to nut up like they deserve to do anything but be afraid of what'll happen if they dare forget their shame again.
BallsandBayonets 2 points 2 years ago
I dunno, the image of a cane being wielded in such a way as to scare a member of the "Guns Over People" party, has immense potential.
Badeendje 30 points 2 years ago
It's like all these D-dinosaurs forgot that they needed to plan for their succession. I would imagine them working hard to make sure the new generation of politicians is ready. But modern career politicians will die in the saddle and seemingly are not worried what happens after.
demizerone 24 points 2 years ago
Their goal is to enrich their family and friends as much as possible for as long as possible. Pelosi, Feinstein, and McConnell are prime examples.
Badeendje 4 points 2 years ago
Family owned businesses that provide generations with income so this plenty. It's the career politician that is the issue for me here, the ones that will die in the saddle. By not grooming successors, their base has no alternative to vote for.
2ugly2live 27 points 2 years ago
As soon as I saw the picture, I felt like we were doomed. I'm still not voting for Trump, but that assassination attempt and the picture are, unfortunately, sometimes all that's needed to sway an American voter.
Like, he's a rapist, convicted felon, bad bsuines man, mentally unwell, fascist, and a general boob, but they'll look at that picture of him, fist up, blood on his ear, people trying to get him to get down, and then look at old man Joe and make their decision from there. If Biden truly cared about this country, he would step down. He's been vice president and now actual president, but his performance this round has been terrible and he needs to face the reality of that instead of pushing forward for the sake of his ego.
Edit: Just adding this since people think I'm saying all of Biden's presidency was poor. I talking about his debate/campaign performance.
Snapz 17 points 2 years ago
Joe Biden = maybe less energy to do MORE GOOD things (but actually a presidency isn't a single person, it's an administration full of good people that do important work, regardless of how Joe feels on a given day...
don trump = maybe more (adderall and coke-fueled SNIFF) energy, but only used to do MORE BAD things.
So much of this country is so surface and easily frightened.
Schadrach -4 points 2 years ago
The choice is between a narcissistic buffoon who will do whatever his handlers want him to so long as he gets to look important and powerful playing along or someone who belongs in a nursing home rather than the White House that people raged about being called a "well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory" months ago because they thought it was an unreasonable because his admin was doing such a good job at damage control.
Schadrach 2 points 2 years ago
Theres more important things than physical fitness and debate skills.
Sure, sure. That doesn't change that we've got a choice between an easily manipulable narcissist owned by proto-fascists and Russia and a case of elder abuse who at this point is lucky if he can string three coherent sentences without a teleprompter, or sometimes even with one.
Obviously we should all vote for the case of elder abuse, but the fact that this is the choice that we have is the core problem.
And yes, I needed to make reference to people being outraged at Biden being described as a "well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory" because holy shit were people angry at that characterization and holy shit would most of them be happy if that was the worst we could say about his mental acuity now.
cheers_queers 15 points 2 years ago
I'm not a Biden stan, but it's just ignorant to say he did nothing
rekorse 5 points 2 years ago
At this point I need to hear directly from someone who was undecided before the assassination attempt, but now is voting trump.
Not a single person has said that, just that they are sure its happening.
Y'all need to figure out the difference between a guess and a fact for real. All emotion and no logic.
Cowbee 8 points 2 years ago
At this point I need to hear directly from someone who was undecided before the assassination attempt, but now is voting trump.
Nobody is undecided this election, what is going to determine the way the vote goes is which candidate can energize their own voters more. After the assassination attempt, Trump has seen a surge in popularity among his voters, even if nobody is swapping from Biden to Trump.
America is not a mandatory voting State. Therefore, vibes are incredibly important. The narrative around Biden is that even if he's supporting genocide and seeing (percieved, at least) mental decline, he's not Trump. Meanwhile, Trump voters see their messiah figure surviving an assassination attempt and rising in percieved strength.
You fundamentally misunderstand what people are saying about the situation here.
Cowbee 4 points 2 years ago
The day before we heard about a surge in energy among Republican voters, yesterday we heard there was no change between Biden/Trump polling.
These are entirely consistent.
ASeriesOfPoorChoices 1 point 2 years ago
it's sad how ignorant you are of all the positive changes Biden has implemented in the USA in the last several years :-(
2ugly2live 2 points 2 years ago
I'm not? I'm talking about his campaign performance, not him as a president.
Guy_Fieris_Hair 23 points 2 years ago
They resigned themselves to a second Trump term when they decided to push forward an individual that couldn't carry a conversation 5 years ago. This isn't new.
PhlubbaDubba -33 points 2 years ago
Decided to push him forward by listening to the majority of voters who cast their ballots for him in the primary?
Sonicdemon86 44 points 2 years ago
The sitting president doesn't get a primary. It is a stupid tradition that needs to stop. Even a sitting president needs to be put up in a primary, yet neither side does that.
friendlymessage 5 points 2 years ago
They talked about five years ago not about the reelection campaign
PhlubbaDubba -2 points 2 years ago
Jimmy Carter wouldn't smack you but he'd be very disappointed you didn't remember what your history teacher tried to instill for you.
conditional_soup 35 points 2 years ago
I remember that primary. We got like, what, ten primaries in before a bunch of people, some of whom were still competitive, just dropped out and gave all their delegates to Joe. I remember being flummoxed because Joe's performance in that debate was also really, really poor, and his performance in the primaries up until then had been pretty middling. So, I wouldn't agree that Joe won it as much as a bunch of candidates promised their delegates to him in exchange for cabinet positions.
ZombiFrancis 7 points 2 years ago
Shit Clyburn's daughters got on Biden's transition team and are appointed to positions alongside governors. Clyburn even helped the GOP gerrymander SC to eliminate a competitive seat to keep his sole seat safer which helped Mick Mulvaney get into politics.
The rot of the old generation has been damaging for quite some time.
Krauerking 2 points 2 years ago
- 4 primaries.
Ask Warren how that went for her as she started talking about how she was getting the VP pick for dropping.
Boy does the party hate leftists and having to put effort in.
I_Has_A_Hat 23 points 2 years ago
Let's say I make a banquet with lots of different food on the table. Some of its good, some of its bad, one of the dishes is lukewarm, unflavored yoghurt. Now let's say right before everyone sits down to eat, I remove all the dishes except for the lukewarm, unflavored yoghurt. Is everyone who then chooses to eat the yoghurt doing so because it's the one they like the best? Or did they not really have any other options?
This is the primary you believe so accurately captured the wishes of the American public. Fuck off.
PhlubbaDubba -11 points 2 years ago
Oh I get it, you're one of those morons who think the moderates realizing they uad a combined majority and then acting like that was the case is cheating because it killed the illusion Bernie was creating of "winning" on plurality votes.
crusa187 8 points 2 years ago
This is patently false, there was no primary held in good faith. The DNC canceled it and threatened anyone who floated the idea of a bigger run.
Some promising candidates still put their necks out despite this undemocratic efforts, and Biden wouldn’t even acknowledge them. Much less debate them, and after his recent performance it’s quite evident why.
retrospectology 11 points 2 years ago
This is why I'm still very much for AOC, as much as people try to talk about her "selling out" because she doesn't push some particular idea hard enough constantly.
There are very few others in power who will actually criticize the party behavior this plainly. That still has a lot of value, whether you agree with her on every issue or not.
Party strategy and leadership needs to change and the start of that is actually changing the framing. What we have right now with the Democrats is loser bullshit that's not up to the challenges we're facing from the far right.
feedum_sneedson 10 points 2 years ago
So she'll be the US President at some point?
cheers_queers 7 points 2 years ago
we can only hope
feedum_sneedson 2 points 2 years ago
I mean, she's clearly angling for that, no?
TheLowestStone 0 points 2 years ago
Most career politicians are.
Alwaysnownevernotme -7 points 2 years ago
She'll be gloriously assassinated in the attempt more likely. Not that it wouldn't be worth the effort/risk.
NikkiDimes 1 point 2 years ago
Iiiinteresting wording...?
Semi_Hemi_Demigod 10 points 2 years ago
I can't vote out the career politicians who don't give a shit about me because the other career politicians that don't give a shit about me are worse.
Can't vote for a human because the wrong lizard will win and all that.
ashok36 8 points 2 years ago
This is just an anecdote but word came down from the c suite today to start getting all our ducks in a row and make plans for huge tariff increases next year.
I work in a fairly liberal leaning industry too. The bosses see the writing on the wall for Biden. The last time this happened we upped our prices on everything regardless of country of origin. Market segmentation and pricing strategy is a thing and this will affect prices for all goods.
oatscoop 14 points 2 years ago
"Hey, there's a realistic possibility we're going to have to deal with Trump winning and increased tariffs. We obviously don't know if it will happen or not, but let's make sure we're prepared."
Yeah, Trump could win the election ... so could Biden. That's less of a forecast and more "competent business leadership having a disaster plan."
blaine 7 points 2 years ago
When we say "politicians who don't give a shit about you", does that include 80+ year old men who are willing to throw our democracy away as long as they do their "goodest job"? All because they are addicted to power and can't imagine a world where someone is more electable than they are, despite overwhelming statistical evidence to the contrary?
And when we say "career politicians", does that include people that were elected to the Senate 60 years ago when they were in their 20s?
It's #Joever. Time to accept it and move on. Bending over backwards to defend him doesn't make you a hero, it makes you a useful idiot.
FreakinSteve 6 points 2 years ago
Dont forget the 80+ year old women who have had nothing but sheer utter, seething contempt for AOC and everything she stands for
Draedron 2 points 2 years ago
I dont get why americans just suddenly are so much against Biden. Yes he is old. We knew that for a while. He has done quite well still. Yes he didnt have much voice during the debate and wasnt in good form. He still did better than Trump because at least Biden didnt constantly lie.
Just posting cringe hashtags and giving up will lead to the fascist being in power.
knightly 4 points 2 years ago
I dont get why americans just suddenly are so much against Biden.
They were never "with" him in the first place, he was the only option that wasn't Trump.
Now the election is coming around again and most folks don't like Biden's chances, they just weren't allowed to say anything about it on TV until the disastrous debate performance.
balderdash9 4 points 2 years ago
I get the sentiment, and I would vote for AOC if I were in New York, but yeah... this election feels like a foregone conclusion.
Inb4: "A lot can happen in four months, you don't know for sure." blah blah blah
JackbyDev 16 points 2 years ago
It's one thing for folks like us to just say that to each other, but people in positions of power should not make that sort of apathy public. That's my opinion, st least. I'm emotionally preparing for a Trump victory, but I'm still going to vote against him and encourage my friends to do the same.
Krauerking 5 points 2 years ago
Yeah the moment they started publicly doubting Biden no amount of "well just shut up and vote" was going to fix that and undo the damage that is done.
If we hadn't had literally instant internal party panic we could have made it through that but now we absolutely need to change tactics.
They need to stop talking about how this sucks or how we lose but how we rise and play the fucking game like it means something but it's hard to get 80 year old narcissists who want just a little bit more to ever do anything else other than what they want.
Schadrach 2 points 2 years ago
Which is a real problem because his Vice President favorably compared Trump to Hitler and wants to ban porn
It wasn't a favorable comparison. He was a "Never Trumper" until Trump was the obvious nominee this time.
m0darn 1 point 2 years ago
I don't live in the USA but people in our media say it too.
I don't understand it though: are there people that voted for Biden last time that will now vote for Trump, even though he is now a convicted felon, and tried to steal the election?
Or is it just that everyone thinks that people won't come out to vote for Biden?
Can you help me understand?
zarkanian 6 points 2 years ago
Depressed Biden turnout and energized Trump turnout.
I don't know why people keep thinking it's about switching votes. The side that gets their supporters to turn out is the side that wins.
Pandemanium 5 points 2 years ago
And there's no better way to depress the Dem turnout than to tell everyone we've already lost.
I just want to point out that the polls haven't changed after this incident. He has not gained more support. We can still do this.
m0darn 1 point 2 years ago
I get that it's more about turnout than conversion but are there many Trump supporters that didn't vote for him last time?
My impression at the time was that Trump did a very good job of energizing his base and getting the vote out. Are there actually many people that were indifferent/too lazy/too busy in 2020 but now think Trump is a good candidate? Is that fraction of the population actually larger than the fraction of people that now see him as a lethal threat to what's left of democracy in America?
Has gerrymandering gotten worse somehow?
UltraGiGaGigantic 5 points 2 years ago
First Past The Post voting artificially limits the number of viable political parties to two. This leaves a huge portion of the electorate disenfranchised.
master_of_unlocking 3 points 2 years ago
It's a little bit of both. You have your hardcore Republicans and Democrats who will always vote for their party and a lot of independents who who are just barely paying attention and vote for "the one I'd have a beer with". There's also the situation in Gaza that has people voting 3rd party to protest Biden's handling of the situation even though it'll be much worse with Trump.
A lot of others can't be bothered to vote unless it's someone they're excited to vote for like we had with Obama.
philipsdirk 2 points 2 years ago
Also not in the USA but I think the fear is that people that didn't vote at all last time will vote for Trump now
ech 1 point 2 years ago
Primarily the second. Biden barely won some key swing states (look up the Electoral College and all the bs that brings into US elections) in an election with higher turnout than any in the past century, 4 years of Trumps general fuckery in the immediate past, and an ongoing pandemic. (tbf, the pandemic should have been in Trump's favor, but he's Trump, so...yeah)
Public memory is short, and along with very recent stumbles and valid criticisms of certain positions of his, Biden is coming into this election very much on the back foot, even among his base, while Trump is going strong as ever. He needs every vote he can get and he's not getting anywhere near the support he had in 2020. It's looking pretty dour overall.
Krauerking 1 point 2 years ago
Bingo...
Fucking 100 less press conferences on average than any president since ducking Reagan to make sure we never had a constant story of him succeeding and then to stumble out like that? What the fuck did he think was gonna happen?!
I really just can't understand what happened here and how more people close to Biden couldn't get through to him or see what was coming.
UltraGiGaGigantic -1 points 2 years ago
AOC voted to protect the rail corporations from the unions striking.
explodicle 3 points 2 years ago
Bernie has accomplished more on your behalf than a series of clueless rookies would have.
YeetPics 1 point 2 years ago
So that's one example of a good career politician.
Do you think the good:bad ratio for career politicians is 50:50?
If we eradicated all the career politicians, we would be removing a LOT of bad faith shitheads and yes, a few good ones too.
But we would have the chance to reshape our system to be FUNCTIONAL without nepotism and greed blocking it for a change.
explodicle 0 points 2 years ago
So if I find myself voting for either Bernie or some clueless rookie, which should it be?
ASeriesOfPoorChoices 0 points 2 years ago
"bUT carEeR POliTiciANS!"
these children are such idiots - and it's thinking like theirs that gave us Trump.
ASeriesOfPoorChoices 0 points 2 years ago
No. This nonsense about people who are dedicated at their jobs vs Trump-like idiots who have no idea what they're doing is just wrong.
What matters is NOT "career" politicians, but good politicians and bad politicians.
For example Bernie is (now) a "career politician" and AOC wasn't, but probably is now. Both are good and are examples of good politicians.
If you want to whine about how there's more bad career politicians than good ones, I'll also remind you that there's more "career politicians" than not.
In short, it's a nonsensical delimiter. It's a thought terminating cliche.
And it's lazy.
You can vote for and promote positive change without being an idiot on Lemmy about it.
TheReturnOfPEB 3 points 2 years ago
And harass the police that won't protect and serve.
UltraGiGaGigantic 1 point 2 years ago
protect and serve.
That's not the police's job description, it's a copaganda campaign.
StaySquared 1 point 2 years ago
I bet if there was a national level investigation on all politicians, on both sides of the aisle, for corruption, we'd have a pretty clean slate. From local, to state, to federal, and to all agencies within government.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie 0 points 2 years ago
I will remain to be frustrated since these truths were all true as far back as January and only now, with everything on the line, are people willing to voice their opinion. I don't care about the leadership, the voting public shit the bed here. They were led right down the road to fasicism and only now do they see the tide is overcoming them and are trying to fight it and while trampling and drowning each other in the process.
You can't get a crowd this big to swim upstream with only 4 months to the election you need to divert them to safer shores.
CileTheSane -1 points 2 years ago
If the senior house Democrats already think they're going to lose, maybe they should try a different strategy than Joe Biden?
explodicle 2 points 2 years ago
They'd rather lose to Trump than win with a progressive.
HomerianSymphony -7 points 2 years ago
make space for true leadership that refuses to resign themselves to fascism
They will, however, resign themselves to genocide.
phoenixz 6 points 2 years ago
Okay, so you are talking Israel here.
You're right the Israeli government is committing genocide.
So lets go ahead and condemn it. Hells no, lets send in a peace keeping force that pushes the Israeli army out of Gaza altogether and and sets up a nonfly zone and a neutral zone between Israel and Palestine.
First off, that's something that historically is a very very bad idea. The US has done this before and it ALL went to shit. You need local governments to do this, but they all have their hands in Gaza as well, many are all too happy to see this happening as it strengthens their position, fuck the Palestinians, who gives a shit.
Okay, so you start forcing the local governments to do this peace army thing. How? Its not their issue, you can't force them, or can you? You can bully them into submission, which will turn allies into not so very allies. This will cost you all your goodwill and soft power, but who cares, were doing the right thing (tm) here, right?
Next up, the Israel government will be pissed. Very pissed. They'll throw it on antisemitism. Bullshit, of course, but they've been doing that quite successfully for decades, so no reason to say this won't work this time. You will lose the Jewish vote in the US, you will lose the votes of those that agree with the dumb antisemitism thing.
This is a LOT of lost votes, and elections always being as close as they are, you WILL lose the election. Trump wins, he will send in US troops to help slaughter Palestinians, as he has promised before, and he will help to eradicate them. Will mass murder and genocide be a problem for him? Nah, the Supreme Court already decided the president is immune and pretty much King. Protests in the streets will be answered with mass arrests or hell, why not, even bullets because Trump can do whatever the fuxk he wants.
See a picture forming here?
It. Is. Not. That. Easy.
Sure, I'm just writing down a possible scenario, call it a dumb fantasy if you will, but it makes the point: The US meddling in Middle Eastern affairs has NEVER worked out well for any of the countries there. Also, you start even so much as criticizing Israel and you can lose critical votes, which you -now more than ever- will need to not get your dictator wannabe elected.
All this "Biden likes genocides!" is screaming from 15 year olds that can't see beyond their own nose.
threethan 7 points 2 years ago
Or we could, you know, stop giving the money and weapons to commit genocide?
Please explain to me how giving trillions of dollars in military aid to Israel does not qualify as "US meddling in the Middle East"
phoenixz -1 points 2 years ago
Still the same issue, it. Is. Not. That. Easy.
If it were that easy, peace would have been had a long time ago.
And again: like it or not, you HAVE tomvotr democrat. If you don't, Trump will be in charge and boy, if you thought they have it bad now, wait until he's in. He already advocates for a full eradication of the Palestinians do you doubt him?
You know, lesser of two evils. Go full fuck Democrats after the election, protest, blockades if you have to, but now now plz...
knightly 3 points 2 years ago
If the contest is so close that keeping Trump out of office really depends on me, then Biden already lost.
Seems like a very risky time for the DNC to try playing it safe.
HomerianSymphony 1 point 2 years ago
Biden could stop Netanyahu with a phone call.
Israel relies on the US to veto any United Nations action against Israel. Netanyahu couldn’t do what he’s doing if he didn’t know he has Biden’s support
phoenixz 0 points 2 years ago
And Netanyahu can stop Biden from being elected with a phone call, getting a much friendlier Trump in office who will gladly help him to once and for all fix the Palestinian problem.
Whata your point?
sheogorath 1 point 2 years ago
There’s a much larger probability that Trump will back Israel expanding the conflict to other countries. If Trump was the president during the Iran retaliation strike, it’s sure as hell the US will back Israel to enter war against Iran.
smokescreen -13 points 2 years ago path: 0 11215120, hotness: undefined, score: -13, children: 2
explodicle 7 points 2 years ago
AOC: simultaneously a lowly bartender and a career politician
Krauerking 3 points 2 years ago
I swear I read this exact comment 8 hours ago, so how the heck is it new and still exactly the same?
Linkerbaan -29 points 2 years ago
Says the woman that advocated for Genocide Joe to remain as the candidate.
Cowbee 5 points 2 years ago
Anyone with an IQ above 2 realize that swapping candidates now is a 100% guarantees loss
Anyone with a pulse realizes that not switching candidates now is a 100% guaranteed loss.
The people who promote this idea are either massive dumbasses or alt right trolls
Maybe people realize that Biden losing support from his own pool of voters and Trump gaining support from his own pool of voters means we will see a repeat of 2016 at this rate, with Biden winning the popular vote and Trump winning the electoral college.
pyre 2 points 2 years ago
i disagree with this, but will not get into it here. the main point is that she barely has any pull in the party and the party hates her to begin with. not only would AOC saying he should step down not accomplish anything but it would more likely backfire. it's stupid to expect her to publicly ask for the presumptive candidate to fuck off. she barely endorsed biden in the first place; there are limits to what she can do and still remain effective.
pyre 6 points 2 years ago
are you kidding? the squad keeps getting thrown under the bus by democrats at every turn. the party would rather have lose the presidency than have someone like AOC (or Bernie) as president.
i say would, but should have said did. they did choose to lose the presidency than let someone like them win. that's what they did in 2016.
DragonTypeWyvern -1 points 2 years ago
That's not fair. There are plenty of honest communists who are paid by Putin.
Linkerbaan -2 points 2 years ago
Biden loses to like every other candidate in recent polls. It might be time to get out of the Blue MAGA echo chamber if you genuinely still think your previous comment is real.
Madison420 1 point 2 years ago
Blue maga makes no sense, that slogan has literally always been a Republican thing trump famously stealing it from Reagan who stole it from another who u can't remember the name of at the moment.
Linkerbaan -4 points 2 years ago
We're now getting headlines like
"Biden Claims He’s Done ‘More for the Palestinian Community Than Anybody"
Both parties are competing to be the biggest cult. The Democrats have fully embraced Trumpian rethortic.
They're literally endorsing Genocide dude. Any party endorsing Genocide is a death cult and the Democrats are most definitely a death cult as well.
redisdead 0 points 2 years ago
Then by all means pick another candidate lmao
Democrats: according to polls, hilarious clinton will win with a landslide victory never heard of in the history of the world.
Also democrats: according to polls, we stand a better chance if we change candidates close to the election.
By all means, keep it up, do the dumbest things, it's what Americans are known for anyway. Can't wait for the easiest Trump victory ever since y'all seem keen on shooting yourselves in the foot. It'll be hilarious.
Linkerbaan 5 points 2 years ago
Clinton was losing in the polls. The DNC forced Bernie out because their megadonors didn't like him.
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I'm going to vote, and vote for Biden, but realistically, the democrats have already fumbled this big time.
The debate: honest to fuck, Trump looked composed and almost presidential next to Joe in that debate. I facepalmed in the first thirty seconds and never stopped. Jesus Christ, that was a massacre, and I don't know how anyone can pretend otherwise.
Biden himself: The debate kind of unsealed the can of questions about Joe's well being, and you're just not getting the snakes back in. Every time he goes to prove he's still Joe from 2020 or 2012, we get Joe from 2024, or even a flash of Joe from the debates. His audio is always fucked because he's speaking so soft that they have to turn the gain all the way up to pick him up, which means they also grab all kinds of artifact. He walks like an old man refusing to use the walker that his doctor is begging him to use. He keeps having pretty serious gaffes that kind of go beyond what we've come to expect from Joe. This just isn't going away, especially because every attempt to clean it up makes it worse. So, they're going to rely on the HRC 16 strategy of just yelling "Just shut the fuck up and vote, or we're going to get Hitler!"
Only: Now they're afraid to use the one trick this donkey seems to know anymore. The democrats got lazy, being able to use the threat of fascism as a fundraising and outreach tool. The problem is that we're talking about armed Americans here, and you convince the right ones that the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and, well... [Gestures]. So, now, the democrats have spent eight years telling us how Trump is Hitler (and make no mistake about it, he is a fascist) and building their platform around being the not fascists, and now that whole rug has gotten yanked out from under them because if they keep using that rhetoric, it's going to get someone killed. So, which is it? Trump is a serious threat of fascism and must be stopped to save the Republic, or it's not actually that bad and it's okay as long as Joe feels he tried his best?
Oh, and the assassination attempt gave Trump a couple of big Ws. First, that fucking picture. Show me a picture of Joe that's that cool that isn't just a meme; you can't. Second, instead of hustling away immediately, shit ass decided to have a moment of showmanship and pump his fist and yell "fight!" I hate that Donald is a good showman, but he is, and denying it won't change it.
So let's review, shall we?
Joe has: a really very just okay first time if you forgive the little genocide detail. And probably Parkinson's or sundowner's or something. He also has no real strategy left now that pointing out that the fascists are fascist leads to an unacceptable risk of political violence.
Trump has: a terrible awful first term that was a whole COVID ago, a badass picture, a badass moment, the ability to mostly kinda sorta speak in full sentences at a good volume, not bad reaction time tbh, and a bunch of newly sympathetic news coverage, donors, and people ready to join up with the fascists supporting him.
You might read all this and say "fuckin Trump supporter", and, I mean, good for you, I guess. I'm going to vote for Biden or whoever isn't Trump on November, but I'm also trying to be realistic about the situation we're in. The democrat establishment have bunglefucked the situation bad, and I have grave concerns about their ability to get their shit in gear by November. May they prove me wrong, I am not excited about Christian fascism.
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