I see them everywhere. The most insulting one was at sprinkles where I had to place order in the POS myself and the guy was just handing me a box from the shelf right behind him.
jballs 24 points 2 years ago
The most insulting one I've seen is at a self-serve convenience store in the Newark Airport. There is no staff that you ever interact with. Who does the tip go to? You for ringing yourself up?
bl_r 3 points 2 years ago
My job has an office in a multi-company building, and we have a self-serve lunch and snack station, and they ask for a tip.
Nobody is tipping that thing. They eventually removed the prompt
AgentGrimstone 25 points 2 years ago
And that's why I don't feel guilty not tipping some places. What am I tipping for? Nothing.
takeda 147 points 2 years ago
Whenever those POS ask for a tip I always click "no tip" and I learned to not worry about what someone else will think. I felt pressured the first time, but I learned that nothing happens if you don't give a tip. I believe those go straight to the owner anyway.
I still have some hangups about when I am in a restaurant and I still do tip as this is still expected. I just stopped going to restaurants, and I only end up there is someone drags me in.
I hate that whole tip cancer culture, which essentially exists to cheat me to think I'm paying less.
henfredemars 71 points 2 years ago
A surprising amount of those kiosks straight up abuse tipping culture simply as another form of payment. My wife has worked at two places where the money just goes to the owner and the employee never sees a tip. I’ve also been directly told the number of times that tips don’t go to the employees by the employees.
I don’t trust it. I only tip in cash if I do.
AllHailTheSheep 12 points 2 years ago
yep where I'm at they say they go to us but afaik we get the same amount either way. I hit no tip for customers now.
AgentGrimstone 7 points 2 years ago
I had a cashier do that to me once. I couldn't tell if she did me a favor or if she was thinking "I already know this guy won't tip."
AllHailTheSheep 8 points 2 years ago
almost 10/10 they were thinking the former. shits expensive rn, service workers don't want people paying more if they don't have to.
Alexstarfire 11 points 2 years ago
That's illegal, FYI.
henfredemars 12 points 2 years ago
Could it be construed that you intended to tip the owners of the establishment rather than the employees?
Considering wage theft is the biggest kind of theft we have, I think it’s an unfortunate fact that many employers don’t particularly care what’s legal as long as you can’t practically retaliate.
spookedintownsville 10 points 2 years ago
Most places have laws against tipping to employees that don't interact with customers in transaction. So owners, cooks, and managers legally can't get tips.
Edit: But those laws probably aren't followed at some establishments
Alexstarfire 4 points 2 years ago
No, cause no one thinks that way. Tipping has always been for the workers.
AllHailTheSheep 5 points 2 years ago
it absolutely is but no one has the money to take an employer to court even if it's a slam dunk case
henfredemars 1 point 2 years ago
It’s probably not. There might be an argument however by saying that technically you could’ve been interpreted as wanting to tip the business which includes the owner not necessarily the person working there.
It should be illegal though.
wizardbeard 21 points 2 years ago
It also exists to allow restaurant owners to outsource a decent chunk of payroll directly to the customer. Technically it also allows wait staff to make extra money as well.
The reason these payment devices default to asking for a tip (with the option to disable that feature hidden) is that they take a small percentage of every transaction made through them and it goes to the company that made the device.
Hugh_Jeggs 116 points 2 years ago
Christ these comments are horrifying
A few fuckers tried this on me at a restaurant in Greece last year.
The proper reaction is not to click "no tip" then cower in case someone judges you.
The proper reaction is to click "no tip" then get on every fuckin review site you can find and every social media site the restaurant is on, and leave 1-star reviews for spoiling my fucking lunch by begging for money. Put the price I pay on the menu, or fuck off.
I'll tip a max of 10% if I want to. That's generous where I am
Fuck that, your whole point of hospitality is to make me feel comfortable, not uncomfortable.
If you don't do this, you're the reason it still happens.
Incidentally, was back in Greece this year and only got harassed for a tip once. Anecdotal but hey, felt like I made a difference
UnculturedSwine 1 point 2 years ago
I lock eyes with the checker as I press "no tip". People get uncomfortable real quick if they try to shame you and you're not ashamed. They should be ashamed because the dirty tactics they use.
circuitfarmer 106 points 2 years ago
This whole system is designed so that the public subsidizes poorly run businesses.
The only way to make it stop is to force such businesses through legislation to pay their employees more, and to do that you have to get past the "but my business will close / but they'll replace us with AI / but the market says..." crowd.
barsquid 40 points 2 years ago
Wasn't there a comic going around about pro-laborer regulations throughout history, like, "giving them two days off each week will kill me," "taking child laborers out of the mines will kill me," "covering up all the giant exposed gears in the facility will kill me," and so on?
ICastFist 26 points 2 years ago
Found it - https://leftycartoons.com/...
Krauerking 3 points 2 years ago
And saved. Thank you.
sudo42 8 points 2 years ago
In California, restaurants were sneaking in 3% upcharges. They started out as "we're adding 3% to pay the state-mandated health care costs for our employees." It quickly progressed to "we're add 5% to your total bill because fuck you."
California recently mandated that practice illegal and requires all "extra fees" to be reflected in the prices instead.
Multiple restaurants stated (in public... recorded on TV, no less) that they "would lose business if they stopped this practice because then customers would know how much they're paying up front."
I was amazed at their candor. These "entrepreneurs" don't even know how to be embarrassed by their greed anymore.
SlopppyEngineer 6 points 2 years ago
They'll be replaced with AI anyway if they keep demanding tips like that.
circuitfarmer 4 points 2 years ago
100%. To be clear, I'm not defending any of those kinds of arguments -- they just make it difficult for these kinds of changes to happen from a practical standpoint.
Companies will replace all workers with AI or other automation regardless of anything happening with wages. It's their only option for the endless growth they claim they need.
howrar 3 points 2 years ago
That's a weird way to phrase it. Customers are always "subsidizing" businesses by paying for their goods/services. That's how businesses work, whether they're well run or not. What tips do is hide the cost of what you're buying. It was at least possible to calculate it yourself when everyone agreed on the standard 15% and only at places like dine-in restaurants. But that's no longer the case, so how much you're expected to pay is a mystery until you're handed the machine.
ResoluteCatnap 99 points 2 years ago
If the tip starts at 30% I'm no-tipping and never returning
nexussapphire 16 points 2 years ago
I'd hit no tip because I left a tip on the table for the waiter. Fuck the establishment getting a cut of the tip. I understand being in the waiters position though and if they wants to report that on their slip they can. I probably wouldn't tho, I've had managers that told me not to worry about it but don't bring it up with the owner.
TheDoozer 26 points 2 years ago
At a bagel place I used to go to, the person behind the counter said not to bother leaving a tip on the machine because the owners just took that. I came back the next time with cash and a printout of the law that shows that is considered wage theft and the Department of Labor number to call.
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Burn_The_Right 3 points 2 years ago
How low do you have to be?
Conservatively low.
Dettweiler42 3 points 2 years ago
If I'm at a place where there is no service involved and I see a tip menu, I never return. I'll usually leave a review, too, so they know why.
ResoluteCatnap 2 points 2 years ago
I really want to try that sometime now 😅
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BearOfaTime 48 points 2 years ago
Fuck them for that nonsense.
I've tipped zero at a sit down place because the waiter was an ass. (And I'm a generous tipper, because I've done the job and I can now afford to).
Tipping isn't required.
NABDad 18 points 2 years ago
My grandmother taught me to never tip $0 if the service is terrible, because the server will just assume you're a cheap bastard who doesn't tip. Instead, she would tip 2¢, because it sends a message.
My dad did that once, and the waitress followed him out to the parking lot and threw it at him. Which I always thought kind of showed she got the message, but didn't learn the lesson.
EABOD25 15 points 2 years ago
I think there's a lot of establishments that forget that tipping is not a mandate. It's a courtesy and it should be based on your level of courtesy to the person that you are hoping to receive courtesy from. For me, no courtesy given, then you're not getting that courtesy. Beyond that, the wait staff needs to be pissed off at the restaurant owner for not paying enough.
Only exception to that rule would be Dick's Last Resort, but their schtick is being rude
Dasus 8 points 2 years ago
As a non-American, sometimes there threads are hilarious.
I mean I get it it's not as simple as we sometimes mockingly make it out to be, but it is a gratuity, meaning something extra on top of a legally required amount.
So yeah, you're very correct it isn't required.
I mean is tipping truly legally mandatory anywhere in the US? I'm sure they could decide to not serve you again, but by law, is tipping truly required anywhere?
wizardbeard 8 points 2 years ago
No, but not tipping is a great way to ensure you'll get crap service (and potentially tampered with food) if you ever go back.
Also, traditionally tipping was only for waitstaff, "fast" delivery drivers (think pizza delivery and same day couriers maybe), and certain specific one on one service scenarios (hair stylist, barber).
This expansion into other things is mostly because everyone is starting to use the same payment processing pads that have the tipping menu turned on by default and hard to disable, because the company making the processing pads takes a small percentage of every transaction. Combine that with opportunistic business owners figuring out they can pressure anxious people into tipping by just implying they should, and here we are.
Dasus 10 points 2 years ago
No, but not tipping is a great way to
Just as I thought. I do understand the culture, I've just never been personally subjected to it. I would ofc tip in the US, but that's one reason it's not high up on my list of places I want to go to.
Well, traditionally it started out as a way to keep your slaves doing slave work without compensation while saying they're not slaves anymore and definitely are getting paid through tips.
NABDad 2 points 2 years ago
Most restaurants have a policy of requiring a tip for parties larger than a certain size. In that case, where the policy is known in advance, then it's part of the bill, and I'd think you have to pay. Otherwise I think it would be treated like theft.
Avatar_of_Self 2 points 2 years ago
A gratuity fee must be removed if requested in the US even if it is called "mandatory". They cant legally force a tip even with it stated before hand in the menu and signage (there is probably some state where this is somehow ambiguous). Oddly that isn't true about service fees that go to the owner.
However service fees were getting popular in certain parts of California where they had to raise wages and provide medical insurance but they didn't want to advertise higher prices so they just added fees, undisclosed until the bill most of the time. Now California has passed a law to stop the service fees in the "Junk Fees" law. It also banned the automatic tipping practice, which surprised me, as well.
brbposting 4 points 2 years ago
Here’s the response I remember from reddit (probably from servers themselves…):
Tips are often pooled. For bad service, tip 20% & find the manager to complain.
Quite the system, USA!
HootinNHollerin 22 points 2 years ago
Give them a horrible review and never go back. They deserve bankruptcy
RamblingPanda 6 points 2 years ago
Give them 0.01, just as a statement
RamblingPanda 13 points 2 years ago
Nothing is just "I don't want to give". Nearly nothing is "I'm mocking you with a cent. This is how much I appreciated your service."
MrJameGumb 56 points 2 years ago
50%??? Is this an app for millionaires??? I might leave 30% at a nice restaurant if I got exceptionally great service lol Asking for 50% is basically saying "please don't ever eat here again" lol
grue 17 points 2 years ago
I feel like the "/s" isn't enough to express just how much that's Not How This Works, 'cause there are some people who think that actually makes sense.
For those, I'll spell it out: with anything based on a percentage, such as tipping, increases due to inflation are already built in. Inflating the percentage as well is multiplying the increase!
(This is also why "we need to increase the tax rate due to inflation" is also bullshit and any politician who says it is trying to pull one over on the public, by the way.)
Mog_fanatic 9 points 2 years ago
I feel like this is just not talked about enough. I will never understand why the discussion is what percentage is enough. The percentage would always be enough. The value will increase so long as the price does. But it's like people just gloss over that and are like "well back in the day 15% was enough but now? It's gotta be 50%"
ryper 3 points 2 years ago
This is also why “we need to increase the tax rate due to inflation” is also bullshit and any politician who says it is trying to pull one over on the public, by the way.
Incomes haven't been increasing anywhere near inflation, so increasing income tax rates to cover increased government spending caused by inflation wouldn't be "bullshit". Increasing sales tax rates would be, though.
DarkThoughts 13 points 2 years ago
I might leave 30% at a nice restaurant if I got exceptionally great service
Some ball fondling? Taint licking? The fuck kind of service warrants a 30%+ tip?! The majority of servers just take your order, bring you your plate and ask if there's anything else you want (often annoyingly so in a pestering manner). If that's your price then I might as well walk the few meters and grab the shit myself. And if it is the type of place where that isn't possible, then that warrants tipping even less so if that service is straight up mandatory.
pearsaltchocolatebar 2 points 2 years ago
I usually tip that at restaurants we frequent. Usually ends up being about $10, and it comes with perks like stronger drinks, better seats outside of the normal rotation, getting our drinks and such as we sit down, etc.
brbposting 1 point 2 years ago
IDK sometimes the server is absolutely brilliant, maybe it’s a holiday
Krauerking 1 point 2 years ago
Ew 5 Percent they can have a shiny crisp dollar and be happy for it.
I_Fart_Glitter 3 points 2 years ago
Standard tip options for hair cuts going up to 40-60% is why I cut my own hair now.
IphtashuFitz 55 points 2 years ago
Shit like this results in an automatic “No Tip” from me.
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OutsizedWalrus 42 points 2 years ago
If the percentages look to large, I just hit no tip.
FlexibleToast 5 points 2 years ago
Yep, this is the quickest way to not get any tip.
OsrsNeedsF2P 41 points 2 years ago
There's this nice Chinese restaurant near my place that doesn't take tips. I go there once a week or so for takeout, largely inspired by the fact they don't take tips.
Karyoplasma 45 points 2 years ago
Because in China, tipping is considered insulting. Like "Aww, poor restaurant needs extra money to function properly, here you go, little restaurant.
TheDeepState 24 points 2 years ago
I am now Chinese.
samus12345 29 points 2 years ago
I can't resist posting this comic whenever tip screens are mentioned or shown.
Kalcifer 28 points 2 years ago
I don't support the idea of tipping. The responsibility shouldn't fall on the consumer to ensure that employees are paid well — that competition is, and should be, between the employer and employee — tipping encourages employers to underpay their employees, thereby artificially reducing their overhead. It makes even less sense when one considers people who set their own rates, eg hair stylists — one should charge what they think their service is worth. If no one is willing to pay the price of the service, then the service isn't worth the price — tips will just end up artificially inflating prices. Furthermore, it just rubs salt in the wound when taxes, ie VAT, are charged after tipping.
MisterFrog 27 points 2 years ago
You guys STILL accept signatures? Signature for payment on cards was phased out 10 years ago in Australia.
Gestrid 7 points 2 years ago
Honestly, I don't think the signature actually does anything. Any of them that require a signature on a pad, I just do a short scribble, and it's fine. If it's a paper receipt (like at a sit-down restaurant), I usually just use my actual signature.
BeardedGingerWonder 1 point 2 years ago
Uh, mostly we do contactless for that kind of amount, we just wave the card at the machine.
mister_flibble 1 point 2 years ago
There was a comedy website a good 20 years ago at this point (Zug, if anyone else out there remembers them) where someone tested this by doing more and more ridiculous "signatures" every time to see if anyone called him on it. If memory serves, the closest thing he had to an issue was a store manager chuckling a bit when it devolved to him just straight up drawing dicks.
Blackmist 1 point 2 years ago
It's only looked at when the customer issues a chargeback, and then the card issuer goes "oh, it doesn't match, so sad" and yoinks their money back.
Fortunately every first world country uses chip and pin or contactless now.
Bassman1805 27 points 2 years ago
I can be a little sympathetic to the argument "this feature is built into our Point of Sale device, we didn't ask for it".
But 30/40/50% tip is not the default anywhere, that was done on purpose.
Fuzzy_Red_Panda 11 points 2 years ago
I can't. They are computers and they can be programmed however the restaurant wants. Any default other than zero is unethical and predatory.
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TheDoozer 3 points 2 years ago
There is a military bar at the base I work, and currently operated by coworkers until they can hire staff. Their PoS System automatically pops up the tip, and they have to tell us every time that they legally can't accept tips. So yeah, definitely default.
jubilationtcornpone 26 points 2 years ago
Cashier: "You can leave a tip if you want."
"Angel" by Sarah MacLachlan plays softly in the background
Me: Quickly smashes "No Tip" with my cane while muttering about "success not bein' measured by the size o' yer bank account".
Launchpad McQuack fires up the chopper outside
CafecitoHippo 1 point 2 years ago
And that was paid AFTER you actually had service. I'm not tipping up front when I don't know what kind of food/service I'm getting. So many places are asking for a tip when you pay for a drink/meal that they just call out your name/number. You're not even bringing me the food, you're just making it and slapping it on a counter. What am I tipping for? You making the food? Isn't that why you get paid? Servers that bring you food and take your orders I get because they're being shafted on wages from stupid bullshit laws.
thebestaquaman 1 point 2 years ago
Honestly, when did the "standard" become 20 %?? I was used to the "standard" being 10 %, and then someone went around acting like it was 15, now 20.... people do realise that the tips increase linearly with inflation when you keep the tip percentage constant... right?
MonkderVierte 22 points 2 years ago
Make it stop.
There's a "No tip" button.
JackbyDev 14 points 2 years ago
The way I see people just panic and hit things without reading is so bizarre. Just breathe. Pause. Read the screen. The line can wait. You are not being a burden on those around you by taking a moment.
FarFarAway 3 points 2 years ago
I read the screen and panic cause I have to do calculations in my head instead of having a reasonable tip option. Then, I end up tipping too much anyways cause I'm sitting there, staring, and they know I don't want to tip them as much as they want.
Tldr: I panic because they're watching me.
JackbyDev 1 point 2 years ago
Move the decimal place one to the left of the subtotal. (Don't tip on taxes lol.) Say, $59 becomes $5.90. Then multiply by two. So tip roughly $12. Even if you mess up and round down when you shouldn't, at worst you'd only tip $1.80 less than you "should".
Aggravationstation 18 points 2 years ago
Can anyone enlighten me on why it says the original cost is $26.17 and the cost is $28, whilst they're still asking for a tip?
HeyJoe 7 points 2 years ago
I wish it was some. From what I see, it's basically all of them these days. Basically, they already made this the standard, and most people have no clue anymore since they grew up never knowing. I also follow the no alcohol tip either. I tip on the food price and then add in a few more dollars based on how many drinks I got. Drink prices are so high that it would be crazy to add on something like 3 $15 dollar glasses of wine at full tip price. So, instead of like $9, I'll add $3. If it's a mixed drink, I'll add $2 per drink since it at least did require some work. Generally, I never drink out anymore anyway since it's just too expensive to care about it.
QualifiedKitten 1 point 2 years ago
So I totally agree that tipping is getting out of control, but when I worked as a server, I was required to tip out my bartender 10% of my alcohol sales. So for your $45 worth of wine, I had to give the bartender $4.50. I also had to tip out the busser a portion of my total sales, but I forget what that number was.
Nowadays, I just avoid businesses that rely on tipping as much as possible.
BearOfaTime 4 points 2 years ago
It's important from a tip perspective. You don't tip based on tax
victorz 3 points 2 years ago
Right. But from what I remember living for about 9 months in Florida, was that prices for everything and anything were given without tax. So if you had a $20 in your pocket and you went to the store for some bullshit snacks for movie night or whatever, you had to do some pretty weird math in your head (x × 1.07, where x is your current total from the price tags) in order to know how much you could spend. Quite annoying.
Please just give me the real price. The price I need to spend. That's the only one I need, that really matters in that moment.
gravitas_deficiency 1 point 2 years ago
Delivery services don’t seem to understand that though
nyctre 11 points 2 years ago
Well, I'd argue that if enough people complain to the person and they in turn complain to their boss, something might change.
That's how I've learned to get my boss to improve stuff around the workplace. Whenever I notice something that can be improved I don't say "I think we should do x". I say "clients have been complaining about this, we should do x." He's a lot more receptive when I say that.
nyctre 3 points 2 years ago
Depends how you complain. I meant saying something along the lines of "hey, another 10 people complained about the POS, can we do something about it?"
If that gets you fired then I'm sorry about the toxic work culture. Over here it's not like that.
nyctre 0 points 2 years ago
I never said I'd yell at the guy or anything. Just point out that it's not a cool thing to do and to please let the one responsible know about it. I don't think that's putting stress on the person, the same way I don't get stressed when others complain to me about things.
Gestrid 4 points 2 years ago
POS systems are probably put in place by corporate, not the restaurant manager. In other words, the restaurant manager has no say in what the POS system says. Same goes for other businesses like grocery stores and the like.
You would have to have them get serious negative press in order to change that.
unrelatedkeg 1 point 2 years ago
Sure, the percentages offered are terribly high, but people should be able to set a custom tip so I doubt many choose 50%
ICastFist 5 points 2 years ago
In USAland, a tip is an extra pay on top of whatever you paid for, which is supposed to go straight to the worker that served you. They expect tips because their salaries are criminally low and "it makes people work better"
AngryCommieKender 7 points 2 years ago
They don't have to, legally. Some asshole managed to convince Congress that all restaurants would go out of business if they had to pay minimum wage back in the 1930s when minimum wage was set up. Because of said cheap rich asshole, there is a normal minimum wage which is $7.25/hr, and a service minimum wage which is $2.13/hr.
In theory the restaurant is supposed to ensure that you make at least minimum wage. In practice they just fire you if you dare to ask for minimum compensation.
Does not apply in California, Massachusetts, or NY, that I am aware of
Gestrid 1 point 2 years ago
there is a normal minimum wage which is $7.25/hr
Just a note on this: while federal minimum wage is actually that low, many states individually set much higher minimum wages.
MystikIncarnate 17 points 2 years ago
My main issue is that the default buttons start at 30%. I usually tip between 10-30% depending on service. With somewhere between 18-20% being standard.
10% be like, you didn't really do a great job but I know they're not paying you enough
15% is like, you did your job and didn't screw up in any major way, but there was nothing notable about the experience.
Around 20% being more like, you did good, thanks!
And 30% is basically for being a mind reader that can predict my every need before I have it. Things like coming by with refills before ours are empty (for things with free refills), getting condiments ready/at the table either before, or while my food arrives, etc. Along with all the "expected" kindnesses and whatnot.
Unless my experience was genuinely negative, i pretty much always leave a tip.
50% is nuts. 30% as a minimum raises a lot of concerns for me, like the person programming the payment system is somehow getting a cut.
MystikIncarnate 2 points 2 years ago
IMO, it needs to go the other way. Make tipping matter again by paying servers a decent wage.
Gestrid 3 points 2 years ago
like the person programming the payment system is somehow getting a cut.
I mean, they probably are. I wouldn't be surprised if Stripe gets a cut with every sale they make. We know credit card companies like Visa get a cut.
RizzRustbolt 15 points 2 years ago
Even odds that place is commiting wage theft.
Eggscellent 15 points 2 years ago
I always hated tipping culture, this device's creator may be the hero we need to end it.
AnUnusualRelic 5 points 2 years ago
They should have made it to 50%, 70% and 100%.
Decipher0771 14 points 2 years ago
POS that ask for a reasonable tip, fine. Ones that START at 20 and up automatically get no tip from me.
Fuzzy_Red_Panda 6 points 2 years ago
IMO none of these computers should be asking for free money and leaving the default option on an amount other than 0.0%.
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UncleGrandPa 12 points 2 years ago
If the business is asking for a tip... It's not just for the server. Its for the business
Technoguyfication 11 points 2 years ago
The tip of my finger would break the sound barrier on its way to press the No tip button
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Adalast 11 points 2 years ago
I always apologize to the server when I am checking out and opt for a custom 10% tip or none at all. It is not their fault the company they work for feels it has no responsibility to pay for them. I explain this and sadly shrug. My company is not paying me enough either and I cannot afford to subsidize some other company. They usually smile and nod. It is unfortunate.
samus12345 3 points 2 years ago
Is this when they've actually been serving you, or when you pick it up at a counter?
halykthered 11 points 2 years ago
Got asked to tip while buying a shirt at a concert. The three percentage options were 5, 10, and 15, so not nearly as crazy as this image, but still, it's kind of ridiculous. I try to rationalize tipping based on if it's a service that I can't perform. I can line up a shirt number with the box it's in and find a size, however I'm not a barber, a barista, or a chef. The percentage I give is based on setting. Standing, 10% or a buck, whichever is greater. Sitting, 20%. Barbers get 30%+.
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Bronzefish 9 points 2 years ago
American tipping culture is bullshit. And to start with 30% is just plain stupid.
But not tipping at all is bullshit. I really need the taxfree money to buy drugs to cope with how fucking annoying and disrespectful half of all my guests are.
Id wish to be paid enough to not need tips, but to afford that my boss would have to raise the prices and other venues would snatch the costumers.
Just tip cash (5-15% is enough in most of europe).
StaySquared 9 points 2 years ago
LMAO 30%?!?!
Biiiiiiiiiiiitch.
StaySquared 5 points 2 years ago
Yeah I think that alone, being the lowest is outrageous.
SpacePirate 8 points 2 years ago
What a coincidence, that 50% button is right next to “No Tip”.
unrelatedkeg 7 points 2 years ago
I'm wondering how American friends look at paying by card what you owe the restaurant while paying the tip in cash. Even though these slimy tip gadgets are invading Europe en masse, they're still not nearly as ubiquitous as they are in the States. So my question is why isn't it as common to saying you always tip 10% at the register and give the rest in cash so it goes to the server and not into the tip pool?
Sgt_choke_n_stroke 6 points 2 years ago
Life turned into a 4chan meme
EnderMB 5 points 2 years ago
I'm from the UK, and while we do have tipping, it's not expected and is usually given as a sign of good service.
With that said, surely there is a market here for some tech bellend to create an app/service that allows you to put a restaurant name in, get an abridged menu, and to replace the prices with "actual" prices if you consider a living wage tip. Provide some breakdowns of how much money goes to the serving staff, put red flags against businesses that pool/steal tips, and rate businesses that provide value for money.
The culture is bad, but one benefit is that at least the money goes to staff - albeit only often serving staff rather and not BOH staff.
AngryCommieKender 4 points 2 years ago
Pooling tips is fine, as long as none of the tip pool goes to management. Tipping out the busboys, and BOH is better for everyone at a high end restaurant. Sure it means as a server I didn't get to keep the entirety of the rare large tip that I got, but it also meant I didn't walk out empty handed when I had a night full of stiffs.
If even $0.001 is going to management, however, that is stealing tips.
explodicle 5 points 2 years ago
This sort of stuff gets me to leave cash and walk away. This note is legal tender for ALL DEBTS public and private. If they wanted to enforce credit cards only, then they should have charged up front. Bye.
SirQuackTheDuck 2 points 2 years ago
Man, you're not gonna like visiting The Netherlands, where cash is quite commonly not accepted in favour of exclusively debitcards (AmEx and the likes are often not accepted since they're far too expensive).
explodicle 1 point 2 years ago
Noooo! I did visit it years ago and it was so convenient to pay for everything in even euros!
iknowitwheniseeit 1 point 2 years ago
Paying with card is convenient. If the amount is below an amount the card holder sets then you don't even need a pin. It's about the same time as each party counting money and so on.
explodicle 1 point 2 years ago
That's true. I only do this when they somehow make it harder than it needs to be - cash is a great fallback for unusual situations. It also prevents middlemen from stealing my tip to the server only.
credo 1 point 2 years ago
I know you’re being cheeky (and probably do always pay in cash) but businesses can actually choose to not accept the paper. I looked this up years ago wondering how airlines could force the issue of “CCs only.” Apparently being legal tender doesn’t mean companies are forced to accept it- which makes sense I guess. You just have to use legal currency (e.g., USD).
explodicle 1 point 2 years ago
The airline isn't accepting a debt; it's up front.
credo 1 point 2 years ago
I’m talking about point of sale transactions while in flight. It’s exactly the same as the coffee counter. And if a restaurant posts “credit only” they can also force the issue. There isn’t really any point in arguing with me when you’re obviously going on whatever idea you have in your mind. It’s just not true.
explodicle 1 point 2 years ago
I'm talking about when you owe money to a restaurant after eating.
Intrama 4 points 2 years ago
I never tipped unless out at a restaurant and I received friendly service.. but somehow I felt guilty or something when I wouldn't tip the pizza delivery guy. Even though he was from the pizza place itself.. (before doordash and stuff)
Years later I started noticing outwardly hostile behaviour if I didn't tip. Bah.
I hate the look you get when you don't do it. Which is my issue. My own. I know lots probably feel the same. I'm definitely trying to overcome that nonsense.
31337 2 points 2 years ago
Tipping pizza delivery drivers is customary, and has been ever since I've been alive. They make around as much as wait staff in base-pay (minimum wage or less, depending on the state), and have to pay for their own car, gas, maintenance, etc. So, they depend on tips to survive. It's stupid and exploitative, but that's the way she goes.
The_Picard_Maneuver 4 points 2 years ago
We like to be surprised by taxes at checkout when spending money rather than displaying the full price from the beginning.
It's really dumb, and it's almost certainly a psychological trick that increases sales.
TheEighthDoctor 3 points 2 years ago
Better than having to select custom tip and introducing the zero manually.
iknowitwheniseeit 2 points 2 years ago
I live in Holland and basically only tip a small amount (like 10%) and only at restaurants. Maybe if it rains when my food is being delivered too.
Anyway.
I'm currently on business travel and happy to tip since its money from my soulless corporate employer. It's going to be a real struggle when I'm on vacation in the US though. 😆
hahattpro 2 points 2 years ago
The new design would be hide the no tip behind some button. Here is my idea.
- do not show no tip.
- add a button "I am not satisfied with the service".
- when user click "I am not satisfied with the service", make user answer 2 questions, each must more than 10 words explaining the situation.
- add the tickbox "i will withhold my 10% tip due to bad service " default untick. (Guess what, you automatically tip 10% if you don't tick.).
- In the process, make currently serving staff publicly apologising for giving unsatisfied service. (Make sure customer who stay in line behind the dude see that).
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Bet this was at a pickup counter for a restaurant with no table service
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