Kyle Rittenhouse criticized Donald Trump. So conservatives said he's transgender.
2 years ago by jeffw to c/politics
The wiki article that covers the events of that night is a excellent resource.
No i will argue that he is a transgender murderer.
Don't use bigoted slurs or marginalized groups as an insult, but absolutely use their other insults against them. In their minds those are the worst things you can call someone, and to hear them used against "their side" drives them wild.
Call their favorite fascist a "degenerate", "freak", or "NPC" -- their reactions are hilarious.
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If we can't have a fact based conversation about anything then I don't know what the point is. As a leftie this type of rhetoric really saddens me. I thought we were better than the Maga crowd.
Does every act of self defense automatically classify someone as a murderer?
BTW, for the record I'm a leftie progressive. I'm not a conservative and I hate the Maga crowd. But the events that led to the death of those people that day was due to self defense.
This has been established through clear video footage and a lengthy trial with a jury of his peers.
Anyone who disagrees needs to establish they know the facts of the matter beyond news headlines or Twitter opinions.
The problem with this country today is rampant misinformation.
Can you demonstrate why it wasn't self defense?
I summoned one. Again.
How disappointing.
Could you possibly use your occult powers for good? Pretty please?
Thanks for not repeating unverified social media talking points. I knew I could count on you for nuanced and intelligent discussion. You know, with misinformation being rampart it's good to know people like you are around to definitely not propagate false talking points.
Where would you have been if I hadn't called you?
The user laid out an argument, a reasoning and asked you a question. All you can do is "LA LA LA" doesn't fit my narrative and insult. Hmm reminds me of some people I know. At least tell them why you think what you think other than omg Rittenhouse bad.
And I am on rittenhouse's side on this one. Simply because he has gone up against a jury of his peers and been found innocent. If we stop obeying the rule of law then we are no better than terrorists. Want the law to change? Vote, don't insult your peers
Two.
If we can't have a fact based conversation about anything then I don't know what the point is. As a leftie this type of rhetoric really saddens me. I thought we were better than the Maga crowd.
Nobody wants to have a conversation with you. It was just a check if people like you are still around. You confirmed. No more conversation is needed. Nobody is required to waste their breath on you.
r/AsABlackMan front page has your twitter post
Facts are important, but it’s not possible to come with only the ones you prefer. You need to make room for more.
- He obtained firearms illegally, from people who encouraged him to take violent action throughout his upbringing.
- He didn’t believe he was acting valorous, he thought he was going to get to shoot people.
- It turned out very different than he expected and he did what he was conditioned to do, it was murder and it was in self defense. It was very sad.
- He’s since gone on to gloat about it and threaten to do stuff like that again.
That people are looking at all this and thinking it seems like premeditated murder that turned into a panicked self defense (except with a literal killing weapon on hand, which he brought!) is perfectly reasonable.
To be honest, debating it feels gross. It seems more sensible to just recognize that it makes sense people would feel this way, and move on. Regardless of what the courts say, this conclusion makes total sense.
If you want to have a fact based conversation, it would be nice if you came with facts instead of just claiming they exist.
If you want to discuss about what kind of killing is worth calling murder, it would be nice if you explained your position.
Your original comment is incredibly passive-aggressive.
This is the "The Civil War was about State's Rights" argument and I need a meme of a duck saying "Why was Rittenhouse there in the first place?"
WHY WAS HE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?!
OJ Simpson also wasn't convicted.
It seems kind of obvious Rittenhouse went looking for a situation he could put himself in so that he could shoot somebody. That's murder if you can prove it, but good luck proving it.
Doesn't matter. The point is that not being convicted is not synonymous with innocence. Innocence and guilt both exist outside the current iteration of the justice system.
OJ Simpson was different. The police borked that case to a mind blowing degree. Planting evidence, poor handling of evidence, police officers invoking the fifth on the witness stand, just so bad. The facts in Rittenhouse's case were pretty well established, and the way the law applied left him in the clear. Now maybe the law should be different to deter vigilantes like Rittenhouse, but it was always likely to be a successful case of self-defense.
Well, yes. Rittenhouse inserted himself into a situation he had zero business being in, with a weapon he was legally not allowed to have, and those actions put him in the danger that he then, legally speaking, defended himself from.
He's an idiot, a terrible person, and 100% at fault for what happened. But not a murderer since he was acquitted, and words mean things.
You idiots can downvote me until the end of time if doesn't make me less correct
So was Al Capone’s only crime tax evasion?
Yes, words mean things.
Murderer means someone who has committed murder.
Acquitted means that someone was tried for a crime but not convicted.
That could be because they're actually innocent
Or it could be because of insufficient evidence, loopholes, technicalities, and circumstances that the people who wrote the law didn't foresee, they were unable to adequately prove guilt. It could also be due to corruption or incompetence.
So you can commit a murder and still be acquitted of it. It doesn't mean you're not a murderer, it just means that you weren't convicted for the murder you committed.
But not a murderer since he was acquitted, and words mean things.
TIL OJ Simpson isn't a murderer
Deliberately putting yourself in a situation you need to defend yourself using lethal force for the sake of defending yourself using lethal force is murder.
I'm a murderer whether or not I'm convicted. Murderers predate the US justice system.
Should Rittenhouse have been convicted? Probably not, because it's not worth sacrificing the protections inbuilt to the legal system for the sake of punishing a snivelling shit weasel like Rittenhouse. That doesn't make him innocent though.
I'm a leftie progressive (...) But the events that led to the death of those people that day was due to self defense.
So you're not a willfully blind idiot for party political reasons. I wonder what convinced you then..
This has been established through clear video footage and a lengthy trial with a jury of his peers
Ah, an ignorant faith in the veracity of doctored or otherwise misleading out of context footage and the integrity of the US legal system 🤦
Can you demonstrate why it wasn't self defense?
Dude brought an AR-15 to a word fight. In another state. After telling friends that he wanted to shoot BLM protesters. He then harassed peaceful protesters until some of them tried to stop him. He then murdered the people trying to stop him.
As someone who followed the trial closely, the evidence couldn't be more clear.
But if all you're going to do is handwave it away because of conspiracies that
- The trial was rigged
- The video was doctored
Then I don't know what to discuss. This rhetoric identical with Maga republicans that claim the election was stolen and Hillary Clinton is harvesting the endocrine glands of children.
If we can't have a fact based conversation about anything then I don't know what the point is. As a leftie this type of rhetoric really saddens me. I thought we were better than the Maga crowd.
But if all you're going to do is handwave it away because of conspiracies
That's categorically not what I'm doing.
This rhetoric identical with Maga republicans that claim the election was stolen and Hillary Clinton is harvesting the endocrine glands of children.
Fuck off with that horseshoe theory bullshit. You're clearly lying about being a leftist progressive in order to lend your credulity a false veneer of impartiality.
If we can't have a fact based conversation about anything
Clearly we can't, but I'm not the one responsible for that.
As a leftie this type of rhetoric really saddens me. I thought we were better than the Maga crowd
Big Dean Browning vibes.
In my days, I've met a leftist or two. And not a single one had to pepper every sentence with "I'm a lefty," or "as a leftist..."
I think thou doth protest too much.
It wasn’t a word fight, both sides had devolved to rioting by this point.
It was his home state through his father.
No records show him harassing “peaceful” protesters, but the first man that was shot’s girlfriend testified he had reached for Rittenhouses weapon, the second guy was attempting to knock him over with a scateboard, and the third guy was pointing a gun at him.
It was self defense according to the law, which we can argue is or is not murder, in which case even if it is self defense is a good thing.
You don’t inherit a home state, lol
Intent: They drove like over an hour across state lines to Kenosha in hopes of finding somebody to kill then placed himself in harms way by wandering into a group of people.
The goal was always to kill people and thats what makes it murder.
the goal was always to kill people
This is the crux. This mens rea was not proven. And the fact that he waited long after he was chased and pinned to the ground before he started firing is critical to this injunction.
People on this board automatically assume that because I'm defending the non guilty verdict I'm automatically absolving Kyle Rittenhouse of all culpability. The kid was an idiot that made some very bad decisions that will likely haunt him the rest of his life. He was 17 and should have known better. He's not completely innocent in my book. I just love how nuanced and wonderfully fact-based Lemmy is when it comes to these charged topics. It's so refreshing.
Look, maybe the court/jury ruled correctly, but I think its also close minded to think that just because a court rules something that is reality. OJ was the best example of this, but I'm not going to argue with people who see how he tried turning having gunned down 2 people into a right wing celebrity career and think this guy is absolutely a little cretin to begin with.
There was a video from 15 days before the incident where he fantasized out loud about shooting some people he believed to be shoplifters. The prosecution tried to admit the video to evidence in order to demonstrate his mental state but was denied.
Kyle Rittenhouse showed up to a protest armed with an AR-15 intending to defend property that was not even his with lethal force, having been encouraged to do so by other militant conservative groups on social media. He then proceeded to shoot and kill two unarmed people who were attempting to disarm him and injured another who was armed with a pistol and who was also attempting to disarm him.
Regarding victim number one. Bringing a gun to a protest and starting shit then shooting people doesn't constitute self defense because you normally can't provoke the situation you are defending yourself from. Also the only thing that made the situation deadly dangerous was literally the gun in his hand if not for that it would have been a fist fight at worst. More likely absent a weapon to give him courage he just wouldn't have started shit.
Regarding victims 2 and 3 they were trying to stop what they correctly perceived as an active shooter they did not pursue lethal force against him he could have surrendered the gun non-violently. You normally have a legal obligation to use the lease force possible.
The law being what it is guilt or innocence it a fight is often questionable and subject to state specific laws but morally speaking I don't understand why anyone would not hold him responsible for what happened. He is by all accounts a garbage human being and people are dead because he is a garbage human being.
Here is what one of the people who helped him win his legal case said
We invested significant effort to craft the image you witnessed during the trial. We outfitted him in new suits, arranged for his haircut every weekend during the trial, and dedicated over 200 hours to prepare him for direct and cross-examination. We employed the world's leading jury consultant and conducted extensive research through three mock trials to identify the ideal jurors and the most effective approach for his testimony.
Transforming a middle school dropout who was "angry at the world" with a history of violence and an unhealthy obsession with guns and killing into a respectable young man with a desire for higher education and a promising future was no easy feat.
It was a meticulously crafted facade, which we sincerely hoped he would grow into. Instead, he squandered a full scholarship to study any subject at any university in the country to become a divisive douchebag and antagonize black Americans on college campuses. Kyle failed to learn a single thing. He remains the same uneducated, arrogant, and antagonistic individual, incapable of telling the truth.
Now, he genuinely believes he is the show pony we created and has surrounded himself with sycophants who fuel his inflated ego because they prioritize their political agenda and Christian Nationalist worldview over his well-being.
Despite my efforts to guide him toward a better path in life, the allure of notoriety triumphed over the prospect of putting in the hard work of pursuing an education. I regret my role in shaping him into whatever he has become. If I had known what I know now about Kyle's History, I wouldn't have been involved.
He's also a moron. He obtained his high school diploma by cheating on online tests and then went to take the ASVAB and managed to score a 10, a typical average score for a high school graduate is 50, the minimum you can get into the military is 30. We are talking about questions like
If there are three quarts of gas in a gallon container, how full is the container? 50% 60% 75% 80%
I don't even know how its possible to score a 10
You're missing some context. I think I would agree with your take if not for the fact that:
the only thing that made the situation deadly dangerous was literally the gun in his hand
I can't recall if it was indv 1 or 3 but one of them brandishes a skateboard towards his head. A skateboard can easily be a lethal blow to the head.
a fist fight at worst
See above. Also 4v1.
anyone would not hold him responsible for what happened
I actually agree with this. He is culpable of fomenting the situation. A 17 year old with an AR 15 had no business being there.
He’s also a moron
Totally agree.
He was brandishing the skateboard because Rittshit had just blown someone away. There is zero reason to believe that he would be hit if he dropped the gun. When you kill someone there isn't a judge to decide if you ought to have done that you appear to be the villain you aren't owed a trial and a jury before they secure the present situation. They had every right to do so and he should have complied.
Here's the thing: If I don't include that I'm a leftie I spend the whole time defending why i'm not a conservative and never actually discussing the topic.
If I mention that I'm a leftie that disagrees with the main take: I spend the whole time defending why im not a conservative and never discussing the topic.
NO ONE ENGAGES WITH THE SUBSTANCE OF THE DISCUSSION
It's damned if I do damned if don't. This is cult behavior. If you disagree with my position, refute my position or provide an argument. There is no grace or charitability offered. Like, why?
So many people on this platform spend all their energy in labeling but never discussing the actual points.
Let’s say a person doesn’t like certain other types of people (be it due to race, religion, political views, or whatever), and that person also glorifies violence against those types of people and they glorify gun violence in general.
Let’s also say this person knowingly and willingly (and possibly illegally) puts themselves in harm’s way, while carrying a gun, amongst those same certain types of people.
Then they get into a situation where they have to use “self defense” in order to escape harm from those people. Luckily they had that gun with them!
Was it legally “self defense?” Yes, apparently. Could it be argued that it was also “hunting” disliked group of people, as if for sport? Yes.
Did Rittenhouse successfully use a self defense plea to get away with murder? Some would argue that he did.
I agree with your take for the most part actually. This is the kindest response I've gotten on Lemmy in the past year since this topic gets brought up.
Could it be argued that it was also “hunting” disliked group of people, as if for sport? Yes
He was 17. This fact could easily be argued the other way. In the days preceding the Kenosha riots there were riots in Minneapolis were stores were looted and some buildings burned. About a 1bn in damage happened. Kenosha is a small town where Kyle worked. Could it be he was also concerned about the place his father lived and where he worked?
Also, just because he received a non-guilty verdict I will be the first to say that doesn't absolve him of culpability in developing a situation that led to harm. As a European that lived in America briefly (ten years) I was very shocked when I encountered the gun culture there. I understand it but I never got comfortable with it.
Thank you again for not resorting to labeling me or putting me down. Gives me a little hope for Lemmy.
Could it be he was also concerned about the place his father lived and where he worked?
Vigilantism is also illegal. It could be argued that had Kyle stayed home those people would still be alive
Did that hurt? Should we call a doctor? You forgot to mention how left you are this time.
Would you be saying that about Rittenhouse if he died due to putting himself in that situation?
Does every act of self defense automatically classify someone as a murderer?
By definition, murder is the unjustified killing of a human. This is why homicide is the preferred term, with murder, if it’s mentioned at all, is a particularly egregious form of homicide.
But the events that led to the death of those people that day was due to self defense.
Nope. He sought that conflict out. The verdict aside, the chain of events leading to that conflict lead to him being there, being in that confrontation, and willfully engaging in that confrontation.
They did NOT establish definitively that it was self defense.
The verdict established that the murders were not premeditated, which they weren’t.
For the charge of 1st degree murder the prosecution had to prove premeditation which they were unable to do, hence the not guilty.
For some inexplicable reason, the prosecution failed to also charge 2nd degree, which would have likely received a guilty verdict.
Please note the distinction: while the defense certainly argued self defense, the not guilty verdict does not prove the defense theory to be correct, it simply proves the prosecution did not meet their burden of proof regarding premeditation, nothing more.
In the US legal system, people are not proclaimed innocent, they are found to be guilty or not guilty. Not guilty of one particular charge does not mean that the defendant is innocent of all crimes.
I watched the entire trial.
Yes. thank you. I agree with your take for the most part.
I've spent the whole thread defending how left I am so I'm out of energy to offer a more complete response. I have some thoughts but maybe I'll come back later.
Thanks anyway.
Cheers.
I’ve spent the whole thread defending how left I am
Why? You should be spending the thread defending your argument. This is just an Ad Hominem fallacy with extra steps.
He was chased by 4 individuals
He was pinned to the ground
He fired a warning shot
Indv 1 tried to grab his gun.
Indv 2 tried to hit him with a skateboard.
At what point do we allow for self-defense?
- To be clear: he should never have been there in the first place. A 17 year old with a gun has no business patrolling a riot with an AR-15. This was a horrible situation that one could be argued he provoked.
To be clear: he should never have been there in the first place.
This is why it isn't self defense. You can't go putting yourself in a situation and then cry about it later.
"Can you demonstrate why it wasn't self defense?"
That, alone, is super easy for anyone familiar with how self defense works.
Source: I have a permit to carry concealed in my state and passed an instructional course to be able to do so.
One of the very first things you learn about self defense is that you cannot initiate a conflict and then later claim self defense.
Rittenhouse was safe. He was in another state, 20 miles from the conflict, and chose to endanger himself by bringing a weapon into an area of unrest.
At that point, self defense should have been off the table. He chose to engage, that's not self defense.
Thank you. This is a reasonable take I can actually agree with to some extent and I think gives me a different perspective, albeit it goes beyond the legal framework. I've also heard this argument before and I'm torn on this.
I'm curious: what is your stance on the Korean rooftop shooters during the LA riots?
The Korean rooftop shooters during the riots were definitely self defense. They were protecting themselves and their places of business.
I actually heard a good interview with someone who, as a child, was working for her moms gas station during the riots, let me see if I can turn it up...
Part 1 is about 45 minutes:
Part 2 is a little shorter, under 40 minutes:
We got a sealion here...
Shoo, back into the muddy waters. Shoo!
Does every act of self defense automatically classify someone as a murderer?
No. Acts of self defense happen every day, and the vast majority do not have people calling them a murder.
This is an incredibly disingenuous statement that is ignoring the facts around this specific case of self defense.
BTW, for the record I'm a leftie progressive.
Irrelevant. Ad hominem. Whether or not you're a leftie has no effect on the strength of the argument you are presenting.
the events that led to the death of those people that day was due to self defense.
Rittenhouse did manage to engineer a situation in which everyone involved had a credible claim of self defense. I will point out however that one of "the events that led to the death of those people that day" was Rittenhouse deciding to go to a town he had no good reason to be with the stated goal of "protecting property".
If a criminal breaks into someone's house and the owner charges at them with a baseball bat the criminal is "acting on self defense" if they shoot the owner. The criminal still shouldn't have been there in the first place and the entire situation is the criminal's fault.
Now replace the criminal with someone who had a grudge against the owner, and broke in hoping this would be the outcome. The legal system would only find them guilty of breaking and entering, but that person is a murderer.
Anyone who disagrees needs to establish they know the facts
The fact of the matter is Rittenhouse's stated reason for being there with a gun in the first place was to "protect property" from people who were protesting the murder of George Floyd. Because in his mind it is acceptable to shoot people to protect property, it is not acceptable to damage property to protect lives.
Can you demonstrate why it wasn't self defense?
It's both.
Yes, legally Rittenhouse was acting in self defense. He is also a murder who went there with the hope of being able to insert himself into a situation where he could kill someone.
Can you demonstrate why it wasn’t self defense?
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Sure, legally it was self defense. My read of the situation is that he clearly went looking for trouble with his shiny new AR, exactly as he'd expressed a desire to do.
He found the trouble he was looking for, and to his immense luck he not only managed to fight his way free of it, but managed to do so in a way that legally qualified as self defense, and also gave us this laughable performance to roll our eyes at.
Legally, self defense. In my opinion he went there to murder, he just didn't know who it would be or whether he'd get his chance.
Does every act of self defense automatically classify someone as a murderer?
Depends on whether or not somebody was killed and whether or not you're using the word "murderer" in its technical legal sense.
BTW, for the record I'm a leftie progressive.
Why bring that up? Your argument should be able to stand on its own. Am I supposed to say, "Oh, I didn't agree with your argument before, but now that I know you're on the same team I'm on, I can see it in a completely different light now!" GTFO.
He's definitely a murderer, so that's a thing.
Somehow this is a controversial opinion in America.
That's because so many governors have made hunting liberal protesters legal. It'll be federally legalized if not mandated if Trump gets back in.
Legally speaking, it's a factually incorrect opinion. So if course it's going to be controversial. I'm not sure why you're surprised.
The jury was given instructions that they could also convict him of second degree murder.
(Edit) I take this back, I searched my source and I confused the prosecution requesting it, but it was denied by the judge.
I don't like the guy, he is an idiot who shouldn't have been there and he's proven since then that he's just a piece of shit.
The difference between you and me is that I am able, at least in this case, to put my opinion of someone and my political beliefs aside and objectively look at the facts.
All of his shootings were legally self defense, and based on the evidence presented at trial the jury absolutely decided his case correctly. Grosskreutz will have a hard fight in his civil suit against Rittenhouse after admitting on the stand that he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse before Rittenhouse shot him. He might actually have an easier time against the city, county and police for not having sufficient police response to the previous shots fired.
Rittenhouse was also a complete and total idiot for being there in the first place, even more so for separating from his group, and he hasn't demonstrated substantially better judgement any time since. Because he's immensely, painfully stupid.
The only thing I don't really get is why everyone seems so damned intent about spending time, attention and effort talking about him in the first place, regardless of what political side you're on. I mean it's weird they treated him like some kind of aspirational figure, it's even more weird that they're now accusing him of being trans as though that changes the value of anything he's said before or since. But we really, really don't need to give him any more of a spotlight than he already has.
All of his shootings were legally self defense
Not quite… The jury’s decision simply indicated that the prosecution did not meet their burden of proof, not that the defense’s position was accepted as fact. This is an important distinction.
… at trial the jury absolutely decided his case correctly.
Agreed, but keep in mind he was found to be not guilty, which is not the same thing as innocent.
Because he's immensely, painfully stupid.
Immensely, painfully, and dangerously stupid.
But we really, really don't need to give him any more of a spotlight than he already has.
Fair enough, but I think that this case should be taught in law school as an example of prosecutorial negligence in that if he were simply charged appropriately, 2nd degree non premeditated and/or manslaughter, he would be in prison now for a minimum of 15 years but probably closer to 25 years.
The choice to only charge 1st degree, which took on the burden of proving premeditation, was the biggest legal blunder of our time… worse than Alex Jones’s lawyer sending the full cell phone copy to the prosecutor, which was an absolute joy to watch live as it happened.
Fair enough, but I think that this case should be taught in law school as an example of prosecutorial negligence in that if he were simply charged appropriately, 2nd degree non premeditated and/or manslaughter, he would be in prison now for a minimum of 15 years but probably closer to 25 years.
The choice to only charge 1st degree, which took on the burden of proving premeditation, was the biggest legal blunder of our time… worse than Alex Jones’s lawyer sending the full cell phone copy to the prosecutor, which was an absolute joy to watch live as it happened.
You think? His defense was a pretty standard self defense argument. Or does having shown up to the general area at all remove his ability to claim self defense under those charges?
His defense was irrelevant because by only charging 1st degree, and not including the lesser charges, the prosecution took on the burden of proving premeditation, which was not possible to prove in this case.
Even if they were able to admit the evidence that KR had talked about his desire to kill protesters only weeks earlier, the prosecution would still have had trouble proving premeditation beyond a reasonable doubt given this heresy evidence alone.
He was found not guilty because the premeditation was not established beyond a reasonable doubt.
The self defense argument only would have been relevant if he had been charged with 2nd degree murder, reckless homicide, or manslaughter.
In the case of reckless homicide, his self defense argument would have failed due to the fact that a reasonable person would have known that bringing a loaded rifle into the middle of an unpredictable and potentially volatile situation would have the potential of resulting in death.
His unjustified and inappropriate presence that night instigated the conflict, and but for the fact that he was incorrectly charged, he would be in jail now.
Keep in mind that the verdict only establishes that the prosecution did not meet their burden of proof, not that the jury believed the self defense story.
Conservatives last week: "Kyle Rittenhouse was acting in self-defense and should be applauded for protecting the white race from BLM violence."
Conservatives this week: "Kyle Rittenhouse is just one more example of the extremist violence in the LGBTQ community."
We have always been at war with Eureast Asia.
“We have always been at war with Oceania”
This is honest to god the funniest thing happening in the Magaverse right now. It's like they got their marching orders mixed up and their daily five minutes of hate that were supposed to be directed at Imane Khelif got swapped for Kyle Rittenhouse at the last minute and nobody questions the logic of it.
I am not sure to be happy or worried about this. On the one hand they could turn on themselves and be busy with infighting, leaving the rest of the world alone. On the other hand it is an extremely vile hateful ideology that can explode into massive violence easily.
Wow they turned on him even quicker than I would have expected. If he'd showed a hint of spine and didn't cave immediately it might have infinitesimally moved my respect for him above 0.
The kid will make the right choice on something one day. Or he won't. Meh.
He had a bunch of what I'm assuming were paid appearances canceled immediately.
Since he didn't finish high school and turned down college scholarships, it was pretty easy to bring him to heel.
This piece of shit swirled himself to all the other pieces of shit, then forgot he was also shit in the shit stew.
He had a bunch of what I’m assuming were paid appearances canceled immediately.
The people against "cancel culture" strike again!
That you, Mr. Lahey?
Those who live in fear of rejection seldom make the right choice unless it's the popular thing to do.
He should go cry harder.
When you shit your pants and then you get a whiff
"Fall in line."
I feel gross having said that
So Conservatives have been glorifying a Trans person, inviting them to speak, and had no idea this entire time?
It's always the "trap"'s fault for tricking God-fearing men.
So much for those that "can always tell".
We don't claim him.
Something something leopards and faces?
🤣🤣
Dear Lord!
Republicans: "I don't like what you're saying therefore you're a transgender"
LOL they thought being a transgender is some kind of insults? 🤣
Surprised? These are people who will call you gay or a woman as an insult. Anything feminine that is not actively producing babies is an affront to their snowflake sensibilities.
It’s like Nazi Germany calling anything they didn’t like “Jewish”
He really is. Think about how many people have backed Trump thinking they could maintain their integrity and control the far right. Hell, you can see Trump having the same problems. He got booed when he suggested COVID vaccines and quickly backed off.
When you pump people full of fear and misinformation, you lose the ability to steer ship. All you can do is sell out, completely abandon your dignity and try to ride the crazy wave.
Nah, I've been waiting for this for a while. The Republican party is a house divided against itself, with wealthy donors on one side and the culture warriors they depend on for electoral relevance on the other.
When they collapse, Democrats will face challengers from the left while they triangulate towards former Republican voters.
A Republican schism is just what the Green and Libertarian parties need.
also according to the transvestigators, dylan mulvaney is actually afab who was forcibly transitioned and then transitioned BACK.
they're not exactly the brightest.
"The proof is that there isn't any proof"
All these people are idiots.
Unfortunately, that means that the idiots won't be learning the key lesson for them: "they will turn on you."
Dude does look a little like a lady … sorta.
But seriously “transgendered psy-op and Sandy Hook crisis actor”?!? You can’t make this shit up. It’s like every day I’m reading /r/nottheonion.
These people would murder and eat their own children if they thought they weren’t MAGA enough. Totally not a cult /s
Well they already have the intelligence of fish, so why not behave like them too? Fanatics of all stripes have a proven track record of eating their own for the slightest infraction of the hive mind's will. They're a cult; if their insane Messiah told them to kill and eat their own children, I absolutely would not be surprised if some literally did exactly that.
Why do I have to look at that murderers smirking face? He's scum. Who gives a shit about him? He should be ignored.
So it just means “bad” now
Always has been. If you're not "default man", you're bad and deserve to be treated like shit (according to traditionalist 'thinking').
Default man:
- man (cis)
- hetero
- light-skinned, preferably blonde and with blue eyes
- the right kind of Christian
- carnivore or at least very into eating beef
- has great job where he gets paid a lot for doing very little (deservedly so, unlike the others) or is a company owner
- has a Christian harem with 1 wife, several girlfriends, and shares a few prostitutes (age not disclosed) with other default men
- drives a truck shaped limousine, walks less than 700 steps every day
- would wear cowboy hat if it was easy to wear it indoors / in car
✅ ✅ ✅ ❌ ✅ ❌ ❌ ❌ ❌
Damn, I'm no default man. 4/9 is a fail.
I don't have the writing talent to compete with the dystopian reality.
They just use that word for anything they don't like.
"Man that call the ref made at the end of the basketball game was really freaking transgender"
If Trump wins, I was honestly scared of shenanigans like putting Rittenhouse on the supreme Court or something equally delusional. I hate the kid with a passion and he represents a huge part of what I hate about the right. Seeing him get away with murder was a real gut punch, I'm happy to see him bite the hand that feeds so to speak.
Lemmy is fucking disgusting and toxic, full of truly awful people who happen to also usually be on the morally correct side of the issues. Never forget that.
Enough for the cult to abandon him.
I support my decision and I make no take backs.
Narrator : That, too, was a lie.
Who are these brain dead weirdo losers sitting around online drawing arrows on someone's minor man boobage?
Honestly this headline and comments alone make me feel so out of touch. Like I'll go online. And yeah I'll call someone a dumbass if they're saying dumbass things. And yeah it's not that civil I suppose, but what are these weird ass people doing?
Why can't they sit at home and play an MMO all day and not bother anyone? Why can't they watch daytime TV all day? No. They spend their time completely absorbed in the business and private affairs of strangers and they think it has anything to do with policy or politics. These people could be dismissed as unserious lunatics if the shit they were spouting and things they were doing weren't so dangerous and violent.
drawing arrows on someone's minor man boobage
It's so disrespectful, if someone implied I'd taken estrogen instead of the years I spent carefully crafting my man boobage through sloth and gluttony I'd be speechless
Years ago, there was no internet. Each village had its idiot, everyone knew who it was and to ignore their jabberings.
Then the internet arrived. Eventually the village idiots learned how to use it and they started to seek out idiots from other villages to talk about the things that concern them most.
Eventually some very bad people realized that, while scamming and grifting a lone village idiot like in the old days was a waste of time, now they had a captive audience of millions.
Why can’t they sit at home and play an MMO all day and not bother anyone?
Uhhh.... that's exactly how they recruit new foot soldiers.
People can do all those things, then if they are less than 30 with moobs they should be looking down the barrel of a lifestyle change. Or, whatever, grow some man tits. If you get question marks it's on you for not taking care of yourself.
No. His MURDER of a person was in a public place, he didn't have a carry permit, was not the owner of the firearm used because he was too young to be a registered owner, and he transferred said weapon across state lines.
So, No...what he did was not legal. He just got off because of the jury. Big fucking difference, asshole.
And this is why any POC with a jury (or judge alone) trial in a red state is pretty much fucked.
He got off because of an overly ambitious prosecution. Had he been charged appropriately, with second degree non premeditated, he would have been found guilty.
He was only charged with first degree premeditated, and because the prosecution had no way to prove that this idiot kid intended to kill when he traveled to the area, the jury had no choice but to find him not guilty.
The prosecutor is at fault, not the jury.
So weird
The far-right group Q-ANON went a step further, saying that he was secretly a transgender psy-op and crisis actor in the Sandy Hook shooting.
Qanon isn't an organized group. It's a bunch of internet shitheads believing in culty bullshit. Don't give it any more status than it deserves.
Let's recommend some books:
Trust the Plan: The Rise of QAnon and the Conspiracy That Unhinged America
The Quiet Damage: QAnon and the Destruction of the American Family
It Came from Something Awful: How a Toxic Troll Army Accidentally Memed Donald Trump into Office
Culture Warlords: My Journey Into the Dark Web of White Supremacy
After the Fact?: The Truth about Fake News
Only the first two are explicitly about Qanon. But they all work together as a theme.
i will say, for how stupid i think this kid is, i will say this is pretty based.
Now, don't make me eat my words and take this back as soon as trump calls you stinky and gross.
Narrator: he did.
GOD FUCKING DAMNIT WE COULD'VE HAD SOMETHING NICE HERE BUT YOU JUST HAD TO GO AND RUIN IT FOR FUCKS SAKE
Me or Rittenhouse?
Yes
definitely rittenhouse
You’re irrelevant, Rittenhouse. Siddown.
Another person posted an image calling Rittenhouse a “Biological female” and listed the traits that they believed showed that Rittenhouse is a trans man.
I know it’s bullshit, but I kinda want to see that list.
I can't wait. It's getting good.
That's called a cult of personality.
So I don't want to be mean, I have no idea who that is, but what the hell is with the painted-on eyebrows? Seriously, go back and look at the thumbnail. You see it now. What is that? What thought process occurred where "yeah, this is what I want" was the conclusion?
Elroy Jetson looking mother fucker
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All of them said that? Like every conservative there is?
Just making fun of a bad headline.
How is that a bad headline? It doesn’t say all conservatives; there’s no reason to assume all conservatives. “Olympians protest their accommodations” as a headline doesn’t imply every single Olympian protested.
Making a small joke at the implication. Guess I made a joke with the wrong team involved. .just another headline driving division, I guess most people get off on that stuff these days.
Enjoy your rage bait I guess...
No need to be bitter about a joke that didn’t land.
lol @ bitter
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Last time I called Rittenhouse a murderer here, one of his inbred cult wanted to argue. Let's see if that happens again:
Kyle Rittenhouse is a murderer.
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