Real examples here?

2 years ago by megaman to c/programming

Friend who is not a software person sent me this tweet, which amused me as it did them. They asked if "runk" was real, which I assume not.

But what are some good examples of real ones like this? xz became famous for the hack of course, so i then read a bit about how important this compression algorithm is/was.

ParadeDuGrotesque 316 points 2 years ago

There is a guy named Arthur David Olson who maintains a small database of all the time zones in the world, including things like leap seconds and such. It's used by everybody and it is updated several times a year. See here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tz_database

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zero_spelled_with_an_ecks 84 points 2 years ago

If we could all just stop making changes to time zones, that would make my job very slightly easier.

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MisterFrog 17 points 2 years ago

Perhaps we'll move to UTC+10¼, and then move forward 45 minutes in the summer.

If the day number is a prime, then we'll go back π hours.

Hope that will help!

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termaxima 1 point a year ago
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onlinepersona 35 points 2 years ago path: 0 11659587 11666661, hotness: undefined, score: 35, children: 3
MisterFrog 6 points 2 years ago

It would make sooo much more sense for the ISO to set something up, and make governments each responsible for keeping it updated, since they're the ones doing the changing.

Require all participants to amend their law/regulations, so there's a note to prompt whoever is in power and changes it next.

I'm sure some places would still neglect to do it... Haha

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ricecake 3 points 2 years ago

It has organizational support from ICANN, so it's not done in total isolation.

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MisterFrog 2 points 2 years ago

Oh neato, then all good!

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Piece_Maker 5 points 2 years ago

Wasn't there also very recently a whole thing about the single guy who maintains the NTP spec threatened to retire so he could get a "real" job, which caused a gigantic internet-wide panic as pretty much everything we do relies on computer's clocks being perfectly synced?

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thorisalaptop 202 points 2 years ago path: 0 11660968, hotness: undefined, score: 202, children: 16
GBU_28 28 points 2 years ago

And their website is quirky

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mke 33 points 2 years ago

As is their code of ethics.

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onlinepersona -1 points 2 years ago path: 0 11660968 11662157 11662774 11666614, hotness: undefined, score: -1, children: 10
zaphod 39 points 2 years ago path: 0 11660968 11662157 11662774 11666614 11666914, hotness: undefined, score: 39, children: 9
Matriks404 4 points 2 years ago

It looks pretty decent to me, at least on mobile. Definitely better than 95% of websites.

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Hammerheart 8 points 2 years ago

Damn, I wanted to mention sqlite.

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danc4498 6 points 2 years ago

It’s not too late. Mention it!

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something_random_tho 166 points 2 years ago

Curl comes to mind. Libcurl is at the foundation of almost all networking.

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xmunk 70 points 2 years ago

And they still get emails from randos when some program that uses curl doesn't work (the Readme is top notch).

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subtext 44 points 2 years ago

I cannot for the life of me find what you’re referencing. I only remember the sqlite / etilqs fiasco with McAfee.

https://github.com/...

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chameleon 49 points 2 years ago path: 0 11659802 11659852 11660895 11661574, hotness: undefined, score: 49, children: 2
ZC3rr0r 5 points 2 years ago

Thanks for sharing these gems. I can almost feel the exasperation in some of the emails and their replies.

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subtext 2 points 2 years ago

Thank you!! I knew I must have been missing something.

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GiveOver 10 points 2 years ago path: 0 11659802 11659852 11660895 11666577, hotness: undefined, score: 10, children: 2
Baku 4 points 2 years ago
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refalo 48 points 2 years ago

curl is most definitely not developed solely by one person though, it has thousands of contributors. in fact, there is so much red tape around curl that you can't even discuss making a change to it without first writing an RFC and having it approved by a committee.

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mox 11 points 2 years ago

Libcurl is at the foundation of almost all networking.

That's not remotely true, but it is nevertheless outstanding work and very much deserving of recognition and support.

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dosse91 139 points 2 years ago

I'd say ffmpeg is a good example, it's used by almost every piece of software that has to manipulate audio or video (including messaging applications), yet not many people know about its existance.

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Fred 70 points 2 years ago

And Fabrice Bellard, the original author of ffmpeg, went on to create qemu which pretty much made open-source virtualization possible. Also TCC (even if I don't think that one is widely used), he established a world record for computing decimals of Pi using a single machine that had ~2000× less FLOPS than the previous record, and so much more...

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grozzle 29 points 2 years ago

Fabric Bellard's body of work is fairly strong evidence for time travel having happened already.

Or just genius.

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Godort 129 points 2 years ago

NTP is the one that comes to mind for me.

Basically every device uses it and until fairly recently was maintained by a single person

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radix 19 points 2 years ago

Network Time Protocol? Cool, didn't know that!

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MonkderVierte 7 points 2 years ago

Though OpenNTPD, Chrony or timesyncd if you're on Systemd, are usually better suited.

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blindbunny 3 points 2 years ago

So they have a donation/support page?

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captain_aggravated 123 points 2 years ago

I mean, it was either Richard Stallman or Dennis Ritchie that created grep in an evening so that a buddy of his could do research on volumes of text that wouldn't fit in the RAM of a PDP-11 (or similar machine. I'm telling this story from memory). It's designed to do what you would do with the ancient text editor ed using the commands Global, Regular Expression, and Print. g re p. grep. Probably the most important piece of software ever written in a couple hours.

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FiskFisk33 38 points 2 years ago

I'm telling this story from memory

pun intended? ;D

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dellish 34 points 2 years ago

Relevant, for those interested in the history of grep. Computerphile

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captain_aggravated 9 points 2 years ago

That's actually the video I was retelling from memory.

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zaphod 17 points 2 years ago

Wikipedia credits it to Ken Thompson, PDP-11 to me implies early Unix.

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qjkxbmwvz 16 points 2 years ago

It's also, in my opinion, the most verb-able of all *NIX commands.

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captainlezbian 12 points 2 years ago

Yeah I’ve told someone to grep something despite knowing they had a windows server

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captain_aggravated 6 points 2 years ago

I don't know, rm being short for "remove" is very verbaceous.

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qjkxbmwvz 10 points 2 years ago

Oh go fsck yourself (maybe that works better written...).

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AnarchistArtificer 1 point 2 years ago

Verbaceous is a great word. I'm adding it onto my "favourite words" list ,(even if it isn't technically a word "

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captain_aggravated 3 points 2 years ago

Ah, pshaw, I don't subscribe to the notion that there's such a thing as "not a word." Why bother having a system of root words, prefixes and suffixes if we're not allowed to use that system to build the words we need? Especially for the fun of it. Verbaceous is adjectivacular.

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Phrodo_00 7 points 2 years ago

Original grep was pretty much a wrapper around sed (or actually maybe ed, I don't remember). That's why it's called g/re/p, which is the sed command to do the same thing.

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ikidd 3 points 2 years ago

TIL

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mke 1 point 2 years ago

I believe you're thinking of ed, and yes, grep was made out of ed. I remember reading about a university professor who, if memory serves, gave his students the code for ed and told them to turn it into (basically) grep. Said that no one ever managed, despite having more time than the original took in total. That's not to say I think this was fair or cool of the professor, it's just an interesting tale.

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FizzyOrange -6 points 2 years ago

If he hadn't written it someone else would have. Searching through text is an obvious thing to want to do.

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nomen_dubium 9 points 2 years ago

but thank fuck specifically he has cos now it's a brilliant piece of software xD

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prettybunnys 1 point 2 years ago

And seems easy until you try to implement it yourself from scratch before most of us here were conscious of their workd

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zygo_histo_morpheus 118 points 2 years ago

I'm surprised that no one seems to have brought up curl, which is maintained by Daniel Stenberg who is Just Some Guy™

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beveradb 31 points 2 years ago

Eh, bagder is more than "just some guy" to a lot of people! To me he's kinda been my tech idol for 20 years lol, he also was a core part of building Rockbox (open source firmware for MP3 players) which was the first open source project I got seriously involved in as a kid ☺️

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Cethin 33 points 2 years ago

"Just some guy" doesn't mean they aren't amazing. I would argue the opposite. It just means they didn't use their abilities to become rich and famous like some other assholes. They're almost certainly more capable than them, not less.

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andioop 12 points 2 years ago

I think that would be a great situation to be in.

You have created a cool thing a lot of people use, by being good at something. You've done something.

Also, people have no idea who you are. Nobody is digging through your trash, harassing the people you love, taking pictures of you wherever you go including on your bad hair days, etc. You're just some guy.

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beveradb 10 points 2 years ago

Fair point! I think that's part of why I admire him, humble greatness

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icetree 5 points 2 years ago
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pool_spray_098 6 points 2 years ago

Holy shit, I remember Rockbox... Big time nostalgia on that one!

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jadedwench 5 points 2 years ago

Holy shit Rockbox was amazing. I might still be subscribed to the mailing list. I used that on a few different MP3 players as a kid. I had no idea. Fuck I am old.

Edit: For a list of what he has worked on - https://daniel.haxx.se/opensource.html

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prayer 117 points 2 years ago

I saw a post earlier about Empress returning to game cracking. For modern video games that use Denuvo DRM, she's the only person who can really crack it, as far as I know. Singlehandedly holding up the AAA game piracy scene.

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quixotic120 107 points 2 years ago
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vividspecter 45 points 2 years ago

True, but being the only person willing to do something is kind of laudable in it's own right. Like all of the open source projects relied upon by millions that are sometimes developed primarily by one person in their free time.

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quixotic120 39 points 2 years ago
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onlinepersona 18 points 2 years ago

It's not a conspiracy theory. It's exactly what Malus did and why it's harder to root iPhones nowadays (but the EU is seeing to that by forcing them to start opening up their walled garden).

Can't remember where I read it, but I think it's the dude who started AsahiLinux that shared part of his story in the scene. And a few dudes were tracked down and had the choice between a lawsuit and employment. Makes the decision pretty easy.

Doesn't help that they did their thing on Github and other public platforms instead of I2P or something.

Anti Commercial-AI license

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MindTraveller 14 points 2 years ago

I ain't gotta laud that transphobic fascist for shit

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cafuneandchill 33 points 2 years ago

In other words, the Scene is Dead

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JadenSmith 28 points 2 years ago

I can't help but laugh at how batshit crazy she is. Didn't she write a rap at some point??

I'll never not be convinced that she's on a fair amount of meth and/or crack.

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tatterdemalion 3 points 2 years ago

Writing poetry => meth + crack???

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JadenSmith 4 points 2 years ago

Not for most people no, but Empress? I will believe it straight away.

You should read the rap lol.

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Dasus 6 points 2 years ago

It was somewhat weird waiting for the HP release on her TG channel.

Like I've seen my fair share of terf transphobes, but she's honestly best described as a hater.

There were so many rants.

But like with Harry Potter, I like to separate the artist from the art.

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Sparky 95 points 2 years ago

Idk who needs to know this, but in Norwegian "runke" means to jerk off. "runk" is the word you add a prefix to in conjugation to get the different inflections

  • runke - jerk off
  • runker - jerking off
  • runket - jerked off

Etc...

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www24 38 points 2 years ago
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CheesyFox 5 points 2 years ago

"especially today"? What's today? Can you elaborate?

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Comment105 6 points 2 years ago

Den Nasjonale Runkedagen

Tidligere kjent som "Allrunk", navnet ble endret et par år etter TV3 våget å arrangere en aldri så liten "Allrunk på Grensen", noe svenskene var svært misfornøyd med.

Det gamle navnet og tradisjonene som hørte til er fortsatt gjeldende i deler av Vestlandet og i Trøndelag, men spesielt populært er det i Nordmøre.

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RVGamer06 4 points 2 years ago

There is a National Wank Day in Norway?

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www24 2 points 2 years ago
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Swedneck 20 points 2 years ago

also the swedish meme subreddit is called r/unket

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FiskFisk33 5 points 2 years ago

and runket translates to "the jerk", as in a noun referring the act of (and/or the result of...) rubbing one out.

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0xDREADBEEF 7 points 2 years ago

ie a Swedish circlejerk subreddit?

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FiskFisk33 2 points 2 years ago

precisely

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Bezier 15 points 2 years ago

Hi, I'm a Finn. We also have a variation of this.

Ronald's Universal Number Kounter sounds like someone did it on purpose.

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echodot 10 points 2 years ago

There's a lot of that in the software world. I'm thinking of gimp.

Graphics Image Manipulation Program, yeah right

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TrickDacy 6 points 2 years ago

You meant suffix, not prefix. But this is pretty funny regardless

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baltakatei 93 points 2 years ago path: 0 11671100, hotness: undefined, score: 93, children: 9
marcos 33 points 2 years ago

And those are only fully packaged user-facing software.

I'd guess almost all of the Rust code for low level hardware access is maintained by a single person. Most of them once joined forces and created a standard, it had 4 developers last time I checked. The only usable cryptography library for C# has a single developer, and while on crypto, that meme got widespread because of OpenSSL, that had a single developer who spent most of his time on OpenSSH and other BSD user-facing software.

Also, while we are on crypto, the modern algorithms were all created by a single researcher, that got famous for a work on how to decide if you can trust a crypto algorithm. Almost everybody uses his code.

Anyway, that meme first appeared because of Javascript, when a developer removed his library (with ~10 lines of code) from the language's repository and almost every Javascript software broke.

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DamienGramatacus 8 points 2 years ago

I heard about that last one on a podcast and it was the first thing I thought of when I saw this post. Genuinely interesting story (if you're into that sort of thing). The pod was saying how it's both a flaw of open source that it could happen that way and an advantage because it was discoverable due to the fact that the code is open source.

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SturgiesYrFase 3 points 2 years ago

Which podcast? Sounds like something I'd be interested in listening to

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DamienGramatacus 4 points 2 years ago path: 0 11671100 11671589 11679390 11685228, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
EvenOdds 3 points 2 years ago path: 0 11671100 11671589 11679390 11683693, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
deuleb_biezelbob 1 point 2 years ago

Do you have a link to the podcast?

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EvenOdds 2 points 2 years ago path: 0 11671100 11671589 11681211 11683692, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
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yournamehere 1 point 2 years ago

remember heartbleed?

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MossyFeathers 80 points 2 years ago

Furthermore, "RUNK" was originally made in the 1980s to take over from a program written on punch cards in the 1960s. Finally, it's missing some important functions that the original 60s program had because "RUNK"s developer doesn't see the purpose of those functions and refuses to add them; and no one has publically released a fork of "RUNK" that adds those functions back in, so you have to do it yourself. Thank God it's open source.

Edit: oh yeah, and back in 2005 there was an effort to make a GUI for it, but "RUNK's" sole developer got mad because "back in the 80s we didn't need GUIs; command line is infinitely faster" and kept intentionally breaking support for the GUI with each bug fix, leading to the project eventually being abandoned.

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14th_cylon 31 points 2 years ago

that really sounds like a case where someone ultimately says "fuck you, runk's developer". why didn't that happen?

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Corbin 39 points 2 years ago

Because frankly, Ronald (the current maintainer, not the original author) is very competent. I say this as somebody who has personally been yelled at by Ronald at a kernel summit; I didn't deserve it, but none of his technical points were wrong. I like to think of myself as the kind of person that, given enough time and documentation, can maintain anything; I think it'd still take three of me to do Ronald's job. (Well, "job." I think he technically works for Red Hat or something?) Not to excuse his conduct, just to explain why he's not been replaced yet.

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ArmoredThirteen 24 points 2 years ago

Wait if it stands for Ronald's Universal Number Kounter, does that mean both the creator and current maintainer are named Ronald? Is it a dread pirate kinda deal where whoever holds the hat takes the name?

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dbilitated 14 points 2 years ago

it's a case where he knows a guy just like Ronald but he's not naming him, so he's just talking about "Ronald"

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Corbin 3 points 2 years ago

I'd love to link you to their Wikipedia pages, but both of them are redlinked. As far as I can tell, Dr. V. Ronald was an educator who moved from Canada to the USA as part of the whole Xerox PARC thing and probably was valued for mainframe experience; does anybody have a full bio? The current maintainer is Ron Sunk, who did a full run at MIT up through postdoc before going to Red Hat. The names are a coincidence; runk implements what we now call Sunk summation, after Sunk's thesis. (As you might guess, that's an instance of Stigler's law, since clearly Dr. Ronald discovered Sunk summation first!)

Also, as long as we're here, I want to empathize a little with Sunk. The GUIs that folks have placed on runk, like GNOME's Gunk or Enlightenment's enk, look very cool, and there's rumors of an upcoming unified number-counting protocol that will put them all on equal ground. But @MossyFeathers@pawb.social wasn't joking; Dr. Arnold's code literally only reads punch cards, and there's a façade to make it work on modern Linux and BSD transparently. It predates X11, if that's any help. The tech debt is real.

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Aatube 75 points 2 years ago

core-js (whose maintainer is also a bit picky about and probably doesn't understand the OSS process) Phil Katz, the guy who invented .zip. To this day, every .zip file contains his initials in hexadecmial. His story is incredibly interesting.

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Pyro 49 points 2 years ago

The core-js story always makes me sad. Sure, he's developing an open source project and no one HAS to pay him. But the meager amount of donations and the tons of hate he receives isn't justifiable.

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Aatube 27 points 2 years ago

It's especially sadder when a substantial amount of the donations vanished when Open Collective and others stopped operating to Russians.

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Thomrade 5 points 2 years ago

I had seen the hate before and foolishly just assumed he was deserving of it. Its a horrible situation he's in and he is being cast in a bad light because he reached out for help.

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electric 13 points 2 years ago

Oh dear, that post from the core-js guy made my blood boil. He's been taken advantage of by the whole world.

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Holyhandgrenade 72 points 2 years ago

Runk means masturbation in Icelandic so that adds another layer of hilarity to this

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dafo 24 points 2 years ago

Same in Swedish

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SturgiesYrFase 3 points 2 years ago

I'm from the west coast of Canada, a euphemism for jerking off where/when I grew up is "pulling the pud." Moving to the UK had some funny bits...like Christmas Pud...as in pudding(dessert). Pronounced slightly different, but my inner 6 year old had a laugh anyway.

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OopsAllTwix 5 points 2 years ago

I've heard "shaking hands with the unemployed".

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roguetrick 3 points 2 years ago path: 0 11674016 11678628 11680469, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 2
SturgiesYrFase 2 points 2 years ago

Well...that's kinda disappointing 😞.

I think we can workshop something out of Pud for transphobes. But it's going to have to be tomorrow for me.

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JustZ 1 point 2 years ago

Well, what is it?

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monotremata 2 points 2 years ago

If I'm remembering correctly, this phrase was immortalized in a Primus track at one point. There's a weird, short track (or maybe an intro to a longer song?) on "Sailing the Seas of Cheese" that's just one guy singing along with running water, and as I remember them, the lyrics are: "As I stand here in the shower, singing opera and such/pondering the possibility that I pull the pud too much/there's a scent that fills the air; is it flatus? just a touch/and it makes me think of you."

Which apparently is still in my brain, even though I didn't think I've listened to that album since the 90's. My brain is weirdly prone to storing old audio, though.

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SturgiesYrFase 2 points 2 years ago

God...Primus is such a great band. I'll have to dig out my albums and have a listen again.

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monotremata 2 points 2 years ago

Wasn't the phrase supposed to be "Primus sucks"? I seem to remember that being a self-identification thing for fans back in the day.

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andioop 1 point 2 years ago
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mox 67 points 2 years ago

I nominate Paul Eggert and Arthur Olson before him, for the tz database, which we all depend upon whenever the time at which something happens (or did or will happen) matters.

Edit: Tom Scott touches on the subject here.

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JackbyDev 3 points 2 years ago

When the US came close to going on permanent daylight savings time there were interesting discussions there.

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shalafi 65 points 2 years ago

The guy that runs Rufus.

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ricecake 58 points 2 years ago

Paul Eggart is the primary maintainer for tzdb, and has been for the past 20 years.
Tzdb is the database that maintains all of the information about timezones, timezone changes, leap whatever's and everything else. It's present on just about every computer on the planet and plays an important role in making sure all of the things do time correctly.

If he gets hit by a bus, ICANN is responsible for finding someone else to maintain the list.

Sqlite is the most widely used database engine, and is primarily developed by a small handful of people.

ImageMagick is probably the most iconic example. Primarily developed by John Cristy since 1987, it's used in a hilarious number of places for basic image operations. When a security bug was found in it a bit ago, basically every server needed to be patched because they all do something with images.

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Moah 58 points 2 years ago path: 0 11664898, hotness: undefined, score: 58, children: 2
oldfart 5 points 2 years ago

The curl author writes a lot about his struggles, but he's also employed to maintain curl, so not really a good example

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MonkderVierte 1 point 2 years ago
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CodexArcanum 54 points 2 years ago

I think this probably applies...

So Thief: The Dark Project (1999) and Thief 2: The Metal Age (2000), are a couple of classic stealth FPS games, proto-immersive-sims, and still some of my all time favorite games. They both use the Dark Engine, an in-house engine from the now defunt Looking Glass Studios, which also powered System Shock 2.

In 2010, the source code to a System Shock 2 port (for the dreamcast or ps2 iirc...) leaked online, and on 2012 someone used that code to create NewDark and TFix, patches to make these old games work on modern computers (and some bugfixes, support for HD, etc).

There are still updates regularly released for it too!

I must emphasize that these games are still sold on Steam, GOG, etc and this patch is essentially required for them to work. And these are hardly the only games like this, just the ones most personal to me. Retrogaming is built on the backs of unsung individual heroes who backwards-engineer, hack, patch, and mod their favorite games to keep them running for everyone long after the publishers have died or abandoned their work.

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AnarchistArtificer 18 points 2 years ago

Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines had a patch for it that made it way more stable (and also added back in a bunch of cut content).

Way back, my partner played Watchdogs at launch and the stuttering was awful, and it was basically unplayable. Some random person made a patch that fixed most of the problems and made the game look closer to what it did at E3.

Random nerds on the internet are my favourite people

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kshade 7 points 2 years ago path: 0 11669739 11671536 11674195, hotness: undefined, score: 7, children: 1
blusterydayve26 5 points 2 years ago

“Yeah, the load times are shit, but they aren’t shit enough to tell some intern to spend two months figuring out what’s going on.”

“What about when some nerd fixes it in a week and embarrasses us when he shows how it was caused by the addition of the shop?”

“We’ll fucking sue, that’s what.”

“What if we just paid him the bug bounty instead?”

“Fine, no need to Streisand this time, I guess.”

Rockstar being actual rockstars in their response :D

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Cethin 7 points 2 years ago

There's also Arx Libertatis for Arx Fatalis. Arkane (yes, that Arkane) released the source code for the game. This is a new engine and patch that is basically required. Even if you could play the game on a modern computer (you can't really) you wouldn't want to play without this patch. It does things like making drawing the runes for casting spells more reliable. (For those not aware, you drew runes on your screen and combined them to create spells. You didn't just press a fireball button. You had to figure out what spells combined to make a fireball, and then draw it.)

If you like ImSims or Arkane games, I highly recommend Arx Fatalis. No one has done magic like it since. To be fair, it was one of the slowest and most cumbersome ways to do magic, but it did actually feel like you were part of it. You could cast spells before you learned them if you had the rune and guessed the combination (they all make sense). There were even some spells never told in game that you were expected to figure out. Cheats were even activated using the system, by drawing a certain combination of runes. It's all very cool, and I wish we would get a second modern version of the idea.

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SturgiesYrFase 1 point 2 years ago

making drawing the runes for casting spells more reliable

Huh....guess I might actually be able to give it a proper go then. I couldn't ever play more than 2-3 30min sessions every few years as I'd get so so so very frustrated with trying to draw runes.

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PapstJL4U 2 points 2 years ago

The OG solution was to use stretched 4:3/resolution, nyt Arx Libertatis allows easy casting with modern resolution.

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ILikeBoobies 1 point 2 years ago

You might like the dark mod if you haven’t heard of it

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runeko 50 points 2 years ago

Pretty much every basic terminal command for linux. Grep is the one that comes to mind.

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riskable 24 points 2 years ago

The modern man uses ripgrep 👍

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dgriffith 23 points 2 years ago

But it's three more letters. No deal.

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sudo 29 points 2 years ago

Its going installed binary is rg.

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dgriffith 4 points 2 years ago

I shall begrudgingly consider it then, with much begrudgement.

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blindbunny 10 points 2 years ago

You joke but this is facts

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hddsx 11 points 2 years ago

What does that offer offer grep/egrep

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refalo 35 points 2 years ago
  • much faster

  • proper unicode (and other encodings) support

  • automatic recursion (no extra flags needed)

  • can search inside compressed files/archives like gz/xz/zip (also see ripgrep-all) for even more archive support)

  • honors .gitignore and ignores binary/hidden files

probably a lot more things too

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riskable 20 points 2 years ago

Speed and memory efficiency, mostly. If you ever have to grep for something in a large number of files ripgrep will be done while regular grep will only be reaching the 25% mark.

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Laborer3652 2 points 2 years ago
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angelmountain 50 points 2 years ago

Git, by Linus? Maybe even linux itself? Ok actually Linus might just be Steve Wozniak without an annoying Steve Jobs guy next to him, while actually being a lot bigger than Apple maybe?

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echodot 30 points 2 years ago

It's really hard to imagine a world without Git. If it hadn't been invented I think it would have been necessary to create it it's one of those things that's hard to imagine and then impossible to work out how you can survive without it.

Yet the vast majority of the world probably don't even know what it is, and wouldn't even understand it if it was explained to them.

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calcopiritus 29 points 2 years ago

Git is not the only version control software out there, and not the first one either.

Facebook for example is famous for not using git. Because their own modified copy of mercurial fits their needs better.

Microsoft didn't use git until relatively recently either. They had to make some big contributions to make it work for their system.

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wizardbeard 12 points 2 years ago

Man, I remember ancient gmod addons released using (iirc) turtle svn so they could auto update. Was a wild time.

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_stranger_ 6 points 2 years ago

turtle svn

that's a name I've not heard in a long, long time.

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Trainguyrom 3 points 2 years ago

Th devs at my current organization use turtle svn, but that seems to be more down to organizational politics combined with a misunderstanding that git is platform agnostic rather than anything based on merits

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refalo 4 points 2 years ago

their own modified copy of mercurial fits their needs better

The version I heard was that hg people were way nicer to them and very much willing to help compared to git.

I feel like Linus got a taste of his own medicine dealing with Gtk and Gnome people while developing Subsurface and that caused them to switch to Qt.

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mke 1 point 2 years ago

IIRC it's both, sort of. They've contributed a lot to mercurial and, yes, that's largely thanks to mercurial folks being more open and receptive to their desired changes compared to git. But they also have internal tools that build on top of mercurial, tools that you're very unlikely to see used outside facebook projects.

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mesamunefire 1 point 2 years ago

I remember those days. I used mercurial and svn. And file locking in other solutions.

I'm so happy with git.

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UnderpantsWeevil 27 points 2 years ago

t’s really hard to imagine a world without Git

I've lived it.

  • CriticalFile.vbs
  • CriticalFile.V2.vbs
  • CripicalFile.V2.5.vbs
  • CriticalFile.DONOTEDIT.txt
  • _Old.CriticalFile.aspx
  • LinkToCriticalFilesFold.lnk
  • GuideToDeploying.CriticalFliles.doc
  • CritFil.bat
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Semi_Hemi_Demigod 4 points 2 years ago

The first job I had out of college was doing development on the production server with this method of version control. I still have nightmares.

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OhNoMoreLemmy 3 points 2 years ago

Lots of people still split latex documents into one section per file, because subversion used file locks and we only knew how one person could edit a file at a time.

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NotAnonymousAtAll 13 points 2 years ago

It's not like there was nothing at all in that space before git came along, e.g. we had svn before, and mercurial more or less in parallel.

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phoenixz 7 points 2 years ago

And it all happened because botbicket decided to become greedy, to which Linus responded with taking a month break from Linux to make his own basic versioning tool, and here we are.

Without bitbuckets decisions, wer all still be stuck with SVn shudder

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mke 5 points 2 years ago

Not necessarily! Maybe we would live in a world of mercurial, or even some other alternative.

And it wasn't bitbucket (botbicket?), but BitKeeper, which gave the Kernel folks a license to use BK, but with some restrictions. Among those was a "no reverse engineering" clause, which is what eventually lead to the revoking of that license—lots of interesting articles on this!—frustrating Linus for a few weeks, and finally the start of Git.

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phoenixz 1 point 2 years ago

You're completely right, I mixed up the name over the years. Either way, that action indeed led to git, which killed off bitkeeper

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CaptDust 2 points 2 years ago

Minor correction, it was Bitkeeper/BitMover - not Bitbucket. They were proprietary software linux used w/ a community license, and they later removed that free tier.

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phoenixz 1 point 2 years ago

Oh yeah, you're right! It's been a while.

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marcos 3 points 2 years ago

Everybody would use Mercurial, since Fossil completely lost the race, and both Subversion and CVS are unfit for today's needs.

What is too bad, because Fossil would be much more productive than Git or Mercurial if the software just finished running at all; and Mercurial is way easier to learn than Git.

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Jarix 2 points 2 years ago

Really easy to imagine that world to most people. Like me. Who inspite of using computers since my 386sx family pc, never got into software engineering.

I understand a little about it, but its just a name of a thing i dont know how to use lol

I just find it funny how its a kind of ignorance(for entirely understandable reasons)is bliss situation to me, but a horror to those who use it

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JackbyDev 5 points 2 years ago

Git has tons of contributors though.

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mke 5 points 2 years ago

Yeah, and Linus mostly handed off the project to Junio Hamano quite early on (same year, 2005). Seriously, huge kudos to Junio for all his work. Still, it's fun to say this quirky guy who likes penguins started not one, but two free software projects that took the world by storm. Humbling, even.

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LouNeko 49 points 2 years ago

Until very recently the whole Resident Evil modding community relied solely on a Maya 3DS script that a Chinese dude named Maliwei777 created in 2012. The community cherished that script but it got harder and harder to get the correct 3DS version to run it.

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Omgpwnies 48 points 2 years ago path: 0 11660195, hotness: undefined, score: 48, children: 8
magic_smoke 32 points 2 years ago

Azer did nothing wrong.

Laurie Voss made a bad call and should feel bad.

The principals of free software was, is, and always will be more important than every single dollar in silicon valley combined.

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Omgpwnies 14 points 2 years ago

No arguments there, if you're gonna depend on a piece of code, you better own it or have a rock solid plan b.

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TheSlad 1 point 2 years ago

I think he overreacted a bit, not to having his package name forcibly taken from him, but to being asked to give it up in the first place. Kik explained to him that they have to fight this or lose their tradmark because thats how trademark law works. His response was basically "haha fuck you". He probably could've asked for a couple thousand and just changed the name of his project and everything would've been fine.

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magic_smoke 5 points 2 years ago

being asked to give it up in the first place. Kik explained to him that they have to fight this or lose their tradmark because thats how trademark law works.

I'm not a lawyer but from what I know that's a load of shit. There's nothing stopping a trademark holder from granting licensing rights to third parties, without charge, to use their trademark in specific ways.

They chose not to because its easier, and most people won't know better, so they roll over.

His response was basically "haha fuck you". He probably could've asked for a couple thousand and just changed the name of his project and everything would've been fine.

This is the correct response, even if Kik would've given him money. It's his package, he got the name first. Corpos can eat shit, just because its not the easy choice, or the choice you would've made doesn't mean it was wrong. That package should've stayed down on principal.

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dohpaz42 22 points 2 years ago

Yeah that debacle still pisses me off. Especially the fact that someone could possibly trademark and enforce a trademark a name that’s already in use. It’s made even worse that the package that now uses the stolen name is defunct.

I hope all of the bad actors burn in Hell.

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JackbyDev 4 points 2 years ago

What pisses me off is that NPM thought it would be okay to remove something from their repository.

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dohpaz42 2 points 2 years ago

What did NPM remove? My understanding is that NPM restored the deleted package. If you’re referring to giving the author the ability to delete their packages, I’m on the fence about that. On the one hand, if it’s open source, it’s a part of the community. On the other hand, it’s also still the author’s code, and if they are the only author, then it’s their sole decision if they want to host their code under their account.

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JackbyDev 2 points 2 years ago

But at the same time if the code is properly licensed under an open source license (I would assume/hope NPM didn't allow non FOSS code) then NPM can refuse to take it down. Yes, they put it back up, but I think it's important for public repositories (as in packaged code repositories, not got repositories) to never remove things (barring legal requirements, sure).

For what it's worth, the policy they adopted after the fact seemed pretty sensible. I think it was something like you can't take things down once they have ~100 downloads or x number of dependents.

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CameronDev 45 points 2 years ago

Is-even and is-odd on npm.

For a while, openssl was maintained by 1 or 2 people.

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xmunk 49 points 2 years ago

Like half of the npm is maintained by a single, arguably awful, person who writes his microprojects into large pieces of software to maximize how often his code gets installed.

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shamrt 20 points 2 years ago

Sindre Sorhus?

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nnullzz 15 points 2 years ago

Just looked them up… holy hell. How does one have so many repos! And all the apps he’s made. What’s the story on them?

Edit: just looked it up myself. Seems to be a well liked person in the open source community. Idk. Regardless, props to them for the work they put in.

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xmunk 10 points 2 years ago

That's them, yup!

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GissaMittJobb 9 points 2 years ago

Jon Schlinkert, I believe. Sindre has a lot of stuff as well, but has a better reputation afaik

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blindbunny 2 points 2 years ago

Sounds like a fork is in order

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lastunusedusername2 40 points 2 years ago

Is-even and is-odd are the stupidest packages ever written. Except for all the others that guy wrote.

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magic_lobster_party 26 points 2 years ago

The popularity of these two packages shows that something is very wrong with JavaScript.

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TrickDacy 4 points 2 years ago

No, it shows people are lazy.

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magic_lobster_party 1 point 2 years ago

Well, that as well, but it’s an also bit tricky to safely check if a number is even because JavaScript uses floats for numbers.

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TrickDacy 2 points 2 years ago

It's not tricky. Modulus operator works fine.

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undefined 10 points 2 years ago

I would love this even more if one depended on the other and just did a “not even” for example.

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CameronDev 21 points 2 years ago

I thought that was the case tbh, has it changed?

Edit: is-even depends on is-odd.

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SpaceNoodle 10 points 2 years ago

It would be even better if each one depended on the other.

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biscuitswalrus 5 points 2 years ago

Well good news! Time to let yourself love again!

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SzethFriendOfNimi 5 points 2 years ago
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frezik 42 points 2 years ago

Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak are the classic example. Jobs has some technical skill, but not a lot. He's the "ideas guy" that all other "ideas guy" try to be. I don't have a lot of respect for the "idea guy"; Jobs was a manipulative narcissist, and he should not be emulated.

Woz, OTOH, is an absolute genius, and one of the most genuinely nice people you'll ever meet. Apple made him enough money that he can do whatever he wanted with his life, and what he wanted was to do cool things with computers and pull harmless pranks.

Bill Gates had Steve Ballmer and Paul Allen. That was more of a collaboration. They all had some level of technical and business skill mixed together. It wasn't quite the complementary skillset we see with Jobs and Woz. A lot of Microsoft's success was being in the right place at the right time to make the right deal.

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JeffKerman1999 33 points 2 years ago

A lot of Microsoft's success was being in the right place at the right time to make the right deal.

It was also having friends on the IBM board that signed a contract that didn't make any commercial sense....

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Anticorp 19 points 2 years ago

It was also being ruthless beyond belief, and destroying anything that could have challenged them. They've held progress back for 40 or 50 years.

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AnarchistArtificer 16 points 2 years ago

Reflecting on my IT education in school, it feels like it was mostly learning to use Microsoft Office. Reflecting on it makes me horrified, because I feel like we're heading for a period where only a select few have tech skills and the skills gap we already see is going to get way worse. That's what intense lobbying from Microsoft will get you

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Anticorp 7 points 2 years ago

I'm shocked by how little new programmers know.

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marcos 2 points 2 years ago

And bribing governments...

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Vilian 5 points 2 years ago

Friends?, bill gates mother worked there

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Semi_Hemi_Demigod 3 points 2 years ago

And Woz wasn't the only genius who worked at Apple at the time. Pretty much everyone who worked on the original Macintosh was brilliant.

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deathmetal27 41 points 2 years ago

Imagemagick.

Every website that supports avatar images and has multiple sizes of the avatars uses imagemagick.

Another one is OpenSSL.

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andrewth09 15 points 2 years ago

I like the imagemagick .desktop file that is always created when you install the package. It opens up a really terrible and dated paint-like program that no one ever uses.

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computergeek125 6 points 2 years ago path: 0 11665568 11668299, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 0
IceHouse 39 points 2 years ago

Mark Russanovich was just some guy who had trouble fixing Windows computers so he wrote systernals from scratch including widely used psexec and other required tools if you are forced to be a windows admin. He has since grown up into a very hansom man who runs Azure which sucks.

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loweffortname 17 points 2 years ago

"He has since grown up into a very hansom man who runs Azure which sucks."

Thanks for this. Really brightened my day.

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Anticorp 30 points 2 years ago

Ronald is Linus Torvald zloirock, and his contribution is immeasurable.

Edit: you can see in the replies to this comment that Linus was a poor example. There are people with an almost equivalent contribution to the digital world who have seen almost no recognition at all.

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jol 31 points 2 years ago

I think Linus sits at the intersection of both groups. Linus is not some Ronald. The Ronalds of this world are for example the creator of core-js.

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Anticorp 6 points 2 years ago

Oh hey! I've used that package for years.

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jol 4 points 2 years ago

And so did most of the world

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Anticorp 3 points 2 years ago

I just read his usage statistics on the GitHub page. Holy crap! I thought it was just some small project that a cool dude shared back when I originally found it. Perhaps it was, back then.

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AVincentInSpace 2 points 2 years ago

Still mad about what happened to that guy.

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Anticorp 2 points 2 years ago

What happened to him?

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AVincentInSpace 5 points 2 years ago path: 0 11670974 11672317 11678251 11679907 11679935, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 2
knexcar 21 points 2 years ago

Isn’t Linus pretty famous for his tech tips YouTube channel?

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ClamDrinker 9 points 2 years ago

Wrong Linus, That's Linus Sebastian.

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Tja 9 points 2 years ago

Woosh?

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SturgiesYrFase 4 points 2 years ago

One can only hope

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ClamDrinker 4 points 2 years ago

You'd be surprised how many programmers don't know who Torvalds is if you ask them. They might be aware of his impact or some of the things he did, but the name Linus will not ring a bell for them. So yeah, might be a whoosh, might not be, but there is enough plausible naiveness imo.

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sus 10 points 2 years ago

Actually I think he has already had an adequate amount of recognition:

  • "In 1999, Red Hat and VA Linux, both leading developers of Linux-based software, presented Torvalds with stock options in gratitude for his creation.[29] That year both companies went public and Torvalds's share value briefly shot up to about US$20 million"

  • his autobiography is in several hundred library collections worldwide

Awards he's received:

  • 2 honorary doctorates

  • 2 celestial objects named after him

  • Lovelace Medal

  • IEEE Computer Pioneer Award

  • EFF Pioneer Award

  • Vollum Award

  • Hall of Fellows of the Computer History Museum

  • C&C prize

  • Millenium Technology Prize

  • Internet Hall of Fame

  • IEEE Masaru Ibuka Consumer Electronics Award

  • Great Immigrants Award

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Anticorp 5 points 2 years ago

Wow! A company gave away money without being contractually obligated to do so? The world sure has changed since then. I'm glad that Torvalds is doing well, he completely changed the world.

I wonder how Brahm Cohen is doing. He also had a huge impact on the world. I know he got a write-up in Wired Magazine after inventing Bit Torrent (that's how I learned about it way back then), but I haven't heard much about him since.

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9tr6gyp3 27 points 2 years ago

curl

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kia 24 points 2 years ago

Although it's now a larger organization, Redis was started and maintained by some guy that just wanted to make his website faster. It's very widely deployed.

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AVincentInSpace 21 points 2 years ago

It's okay you can just say FFmpeg

Also Linux

Also CoreJS

Also

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yournamehere 1 point 2 years ago

sure? i tried 8bit transparent grayscale png generation and it turns out imagemagick produces images the kindle can display and ffmpeg fucks them up majorly and they wont show on kindle. ffmpeg is nice though.

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AVincentInSpace 7 points 2 years ago

FFmpeg is basically the only piece of audio/video conversion software in widespread use. Everything uses it under the hood. Microsoft Teams used it to stream your webcam. VLC uses it to play video. If you've ever uploaded your video to an online service to convert it to a different file format or codec, chances are the server that processed it did so using FFmpeg.

I have also noticed that FFmpeg kind of sucks at generating stills for reasons I'm not sure about though.

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yournamehere 2 points 2 years ago

i know. i use ffmpeg for grading, keying etc in scripts...love it. but it is not good at stills.

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MonkderVierte 20 points 2 years ago

TIL Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are half guys.

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zaphod 18 points 2 years ago

They prefer to be called Hobbits.

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onlinepersona 3 points 2 years ago path: 0 11666296 11666533, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
ikidd 17 points 2 years ago

Numpy

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DumbAceDragon 17 points 2 years ago

The do-nothings vs the did-somethings.

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Potatisen 16 points 2 years ago

Runk in Swedish has a different meaning.

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general_kitten 15 points 2 years ago

I remember reading a story here not too long ago about a guy who broke the internet by taking his code away because some big company forced to have his package's name or something along those lines

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brisk 20 points 2 years ago

That's leftpad. The package name dispute was over something else, but they pulled all their packages from npm in protest. Turned out leftpad was a transient dependency for a huge swathe of all JavaScript.

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dotned 8 points 2 years ago path: 0 11679897 11681285, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 0
rekabis 2 points 2 years ago

And IMO Koçulu should have sued NPM for everything they had. What NPM did to Koçulu was in violation of everything they stood for. Koçulu was there first with the Kik name, he should have had 100% of the rights to keep it.

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DODOKING38 15 points 2 years ago

Is-even 😤

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dabaldeagul 11 points 2 years ago

And isUneven which just calls isEven and returns the opposite lmao

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weker01 14 points 2 years ago

A few libraries come to mind immediately: fftw (I think the most widely used fft library) or GMP (I think the most used multi precision library).

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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 3 points 2 years ago path: 0 11666680 11669960, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
Kolanaki 13 points 2 years ago

Huh... My dad is a software engineer and his name is Ronald. He also secured several software patents when he worked for a big chip wafer manufacturer. He might actually be the Ronald in this meme... 🤔

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some_guy 13 points 2 years ago path: 0 11670746, hotness: undefined, score: 13, children: 0
captain_aggravated 12 points 2 years ago

Oh and then you get all the projects with recursive acronyms, like WINE Is Not Emulation, MAME Ain't (an) Mp3 Encoder, and of course GNU's Not Unix.

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AVincentInSpace 12 points 2 years ago

MAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder

You're thinking of LAME. MAME is the Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator.

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captain_aggravated 5 points 2 years ago

See why those names are kinda dumb? You end up with a lot of fairly similar 4 letter words.

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Malfeasant 5 points 2 years ago

Noted. When I develop an essential piece of software, I will name it George.

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Ziglin 12 points 2 years ago

xz seems like another good example

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computergeek125 2 points 2 years ago

I'd put the deflate algorithm over the LZMA algorithm just because deflate is used by both windows (zip) and Unix (gzip). Windows I don't think has added LZMA/xz support until recently if at all.

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Ziglin 1 point 2 years ago

I agree but windows does come with a version of tar preinstalled installed. I'm not sure if it uses xz though.

The reason I named xz though is the xz-utils backdoor that was such a big deal.

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s_s 10 points 2 years ago

GNU readline is a library that handles text input

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blindbunny 10 points 2 years ago

How does one go about finding these people and make sure they don't end up like the dude that maintains slackware?

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OmgItBurns 5 points 2 years ago

What's going on with that guy?

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blindbunny 6 points 2 years ago

He was having financial issues in 2018 no clue if things have gotten better I can only assume it has as there's been releases since then.

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superkret 3 points 2 years ago

He was forced to move from California back to Minnesota cause he couldn't afford life on the west coast anymore.
Recently he stated in an interview that it's getting tight in Michigan, too.
But he still has a hobby of restoring old cars from the 60's so he's not starving.
I'm donating a monthly amount to him (roughly the equivalent of what I'd pay for an M365 subscription), cause IMO Slackware needs to survive.
Unfortunately, he'd need about 200 regular donaters like that to live off, and Slackware's user base probably isn't large enough for that anymore.

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BradleyUffner 9 points 2 years ago

The world is built on is-even and is-odd!

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myersguy 8 points 2 years ago path: 0 11668311 11669330, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 0
deuleb_biezelbob 4 points 2 years ago

runk is the thomas ladder of our era

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ThomasLadder_69 2 points 2 years ago

I agree

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rekabis 2 points 2 years ago path: 0 11698010, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
bitwolf 1 point 2 years ago

corejs haha

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jimitsoni18 1 point 2 years ago

Rink

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Taleya 1 point 2 years ago

SORBS

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