I threw an idea out in response to a comment here right after Biden backed out and the more I think about, the more it seems likely to be right.

My theory is that the DNC likely timed Biden stepping aside so it would be late enough they couldn’t hold primaries for the nominee. It came out in 2016 that the DNC was basically rigged for Clinton to win, regardless of what voters wanted. The 2016 primaries caused dissension with voters leading to lower turnout, and I think that was also somewhat true in 2020. By waiting as long as he did to back out, Biden took voter choice out of it and helped rally everyone behind Harris.

I could absolutely be wrong, but every time I run it through my head it feels more likely to be true. And if I’m right, it is a bit sleazy. However, I have to admit I’m surprised and impressed by how it’s turned out. I didn’t expect people to rally so strongly behind Kamala, and I’m excited to be a part of it!

my own little conspiracy theory i like to think about is that biden threw that debate on purpose lol.

What an absolute gamble that would be. Trust me, reality is stranger than fiction.

It'd be interesting to find this out, but given how disorganized the Democrats tend to be, I seriously doubt that's the case.

Or, you know, this? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna141905

The Repub leadership seems to be clamoring for taking actions on a spectrum between deporting protesters to Gaza or simply nuking Gaza.

I would bet my next paycheck that most of them probably could not even explain what he did to the Kurds.

Most of them didn't know (or knew and did not care) about what Israel has been doing to Palestine for decades now, and were told that this is somehow Joe Biden's fault or some shit.

I love how Trump's promise to deport those protesters gets a free pass from those protesters. My brother is one of them, always ranting about "Genocide Joe" and hating the Democrats passionately despite being (ostensibly) liberal. It's like in his universe the Republicans don't even exist, and I just can't understand his viewpoint.

This is whataboutism​.

What Kurds

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(I know about it. I'm making a dark joke.)

Absolutely none of those protestors believe Trump would be better for Palestine. They believe genocide is criminal, and immoral — and can't in good conscience stand behind anyone who supports or enables it, regardless of the threat of something worse.

It may not be diplomatic or cunning, but it isn't rocket science. It's called morality and conviction. Don't be disingenuous.

left-wing useful idiots who got all spun up on internet nonsense to think that the best way to help the Palestinians is to make sure Trump gets elected.

I said it before about Biden and I'll say it again about Kamala: the one thing that could sink her chances will be to burn the bridge with pro-palestinian protestors.

It's not up to protestors if Kamala looses, it's up to Kamala.

I think Biden will be alright to be honest, even should he stumble through his speech it's not too bad given he's not running anymore. Just look at the joint Harris/Biden adress the other day about the pharmaceutical prices. Not a great speech by Biden, but everyone is sort of in "alright grandpa, let's get you to bed" mode.

The protests can get ugly, though I truly pray they won't. But another unfortunate reaction/statement about Palestine from Harris would be bad, and worst case the protests get violent and actual fights break out - which would be bad bad.

I also don't see why we're opening the Hillary box again even though it's just a speech. But what do I know.

Very true. This overall symptom has accelerated vastly since Regan.

I don't know a single person that has been polled. They are all guesswork.

I wish. Our politics are so exhausting.

Can you guys not just chill the fuck out?

I used to go years between worrying about politics before Trump was president. I'm hoping those days can return somehow.

Obviously not. If people would chill out it would have to be about judging and responding to actual policy decision, instead of watching GoT political drama.

The longer the election cycle, the more politics are a show and bad policy can be justified with "election tactics".

Media companies and political consultants have a vested interest in making this take as long as possible.

I think it's pretty obvious that if that guy gets elected, it's going to be a shitstorm, and that isn't good for the establishment.

Are you kidding? The "establishment" (mainstream) media is extremely left. They don't like trump and do all they can to hurt his campaign.

Where do you live?

Yes, yes he did. https://apnews.com/...

So for him it totally tracks to be married to a type of person that you hate.

Women, for example

he probably harbors deep feelings of disdain for all of them

It's not even a question. He literally buried his ex-wife on his fucking golf course without a headstone and then let the site become overgrown.

This isn't a bad thought but it implies that he remembers she is married to a Jewish person. He definitely doesn't. He can't even pronounce her name or pick a wrong pronunciation to go with.

Great point. Same with openly gay Peter Thiel who hand picked weirdo JD Vance, completely behind Project 2025, which is staunchly anti-gay.

To be fair, Kissinger was pretty amazing at being a war criminal.

I agree. Doesn't feel the same at all to me. Kamala is a likeable person and candidate.

100%. I was so disgusted with how the democrats shoved Bernie under the rug that I voted 3rd party. I also had a small glimmer of hope that Trump would tack left on at least a few things. I won't be making that mistake again.

I already have popcorn. Have had it going non stop for years.

Clinton suffered from a lot of bitter Sanders supporters. This time there was no big ‘other’ candidate people considered to have been were cheated out of.

FTFY

Overconfident is an understatement. I remember people thinking that Trump was the end of the Republican party, some people actually said that the party would be forced to disband after their crushing defeat in 2016.

Even many Democrats didn't like Hillary, but the idea of Trump winning was outright laughable to many. I think that combination of "I don't want to vote for her" and "there's no way she can lose" left a lot of people at home twiddling their thumbs instead of going out to vote.

Hilary lost because she sucked major ass. I didn’t vote in 2016 because fuck political dynasties, and the DNC did everything it could to prevent Bernie from getting the nomination, which unfortunately worked. Being less young and stupid, I probably would have voted for her if I were in 2016 again. I would have hated it though, just as I would have hated voting for Biden but would have done so. I’m not particularly excited about Kamala but she’s definitely a lot more palatable with SO much more appeal than Hillary or Biden had.

The stupid thing was that they didn't need to do their dirty tricks. The things like what DWS in Arizona were well after Bernie was mathematically out of the running. I'm a Bernie fan and I voted for him in the primaries in California, but he lost on Super Tuesday (well before CA and AZ voted). He failed to capture the votes and was not really in contention.

I think Hilary lost for three reasons. 1. Republicans had their smear machine running on her for over a decade. Propaganda works. 2. Her public speaking persona was bad. I heard her speak in a more normal conversation and she sounded smart, articulate, and hitting all the right points. I was impressed. But her speech giving persona was bad and came across as snobbish. 3. Sexism. It's not THE reason she lost, but I think there was and is a vein of that running through America. "What if it's her time of the month and she has her finger on the big red button?" "Blood coming out of her whatever", etc.

I think time has proven out that she would have been a 10x better president than Trump. Just like Gore would have been 10x better than Bush. So much less death, so much better policy. If they'd been elected, the world would be a different place today. (Stupid undemocratic electoral college system)

"Time" is the greatest clarifier. This narrative you're talking about isn't made from lies about Hillary. It is about things that were called called lies at first, but then, over time, were proven to be correct. But by they time they were proven correct, hardly anyone cared about it anymore, the focus had shifted to other topics, and the MSM hardly reported on it.

I heard China had dropped the ball on housing. Apparently home ownership is getting really cheap there. The poor fools. Tsk tsk.

Here's where to check your status or register

Yup

Oh yes, how could I forget their main platform? :-)

Not only is it possible to be upset about genocide (you should try it sometime), it's also possible to be upset about genocide without being a Trump supporter.

Thank you for proving the point I was making.

Nice whataboutism.