Overmorrow refers to the day after tomorrow and I feel like it comes in quite handy for example.
What's an obsolete or incredibly obscure word you think people should know?
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Overmorrow refers to the day after tomorrow and I feel like it comes in quite handy for example.
And what a lovely paragraph about it. Thank you.
Oh I love to perambulate, sitting still is what I really hate
And a "perambulator" is a kid stroller. It was an enlightening moment when I first came across that word in Neil Stephenson's "Seveneves", delved into its etymology and then realised why my British friend called the stroller a "pram". This is just a contracted form of perambulator.
It did not occur to me that there's actually also a verb for it, so thank you for pointing that out! I love it, and I will use it henceforth!
Interrobang sounds like something from a porno about police work.
“Did you question the suspect?”
“Yeah, Chief, we interrobanged him and got the info.”
Or a fully themed, punctuation inspire flick. Named "character" to let you fill in the blanks.
Char 1: Well what do you think Mark?
Char 2: Are you sure she can handle it, Point?
Char 1: Its time we've shown
Char 2: our true power...
Together: As Interrobang!
Char 3: No wait, I've got my per....
.... OK it needs to be reworked, but you get the idea.
Well yeah, that's half the fun
Eh the context determines the need for proper grammar. Throwaway comments on Lemmy- fuck the grammar
The singular is octothorpe.
I set up an auto replace on my phone so when I type ?! It’ll switch it to ‽ for me.
I learned about this in Amsterdam’s Groote Museum today, huh
It's funny, literally every Doctor Who fan knows this word and what it means thanks to Neil Gaiman.
Overmorrow refers to the day after tomorrow
Figured the other way around might be as obscure...
nudiustertian: relating to the day before yesterday
Yikes
To add to that, "ereyesterday" is the noun version for the day before yesterday.
Never saw this one before and not sure how to pronounce it while the German Vorgestern is as commen as Übermorgen.
English on the other hand has fortnight which I think is very cool as we don't have a special word for 14 days
A little off topic but I find these words extremely interesting that have no direct translation as they often give a new perspective on things or concepts.
the german version "Übermorgen" is widely used in germany.
Yes, I learned English here in Austria and I remember classmates asking the teacher how to say "vorgestern" and "übermorgen" in English.
We didn't learn the words "ereyesterday" and "overmorrow" that day, only "the day before yesterday" and "the day after tomorrow". :(
I actually dislike that term a lot.
It's like spunkgargleweewee. It seems immature and makes me feel more dismissive towards the argument. Maybe that also has to do with it being a catch all term and people seem less willing to give specific examples of how things are declining in quality.
I believe the term originated with Yahtzee during the military and tactical shooter crazy in the 2010s. It referred to games that paraded players through various spectacles and rooms full of chest high walls, until enough time had passed to call it a campaign.
Not commonly but every so often YouTubers I watch will start using it and it sticks for a prolonged period of time.
It was just the first thing that came to mind. I imagine there are other equally silly internet words out there.
spunkgargleweewee
Ah, an individual of culture.
Since we're talking about it, and I really like the guy's work, I figured I should say who coined it! Author, Cory Doctorow! He has a blog where he (among all the other stuff he writes about) defined the word, and wrote several articles about it.
pluralistic.net
The issue with pretending to be stupid on the internet to make a point is that there are so many people doing the same thing with no point in mind.
Cory Doctorow coined it: https://www.wired.com/...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification
Writer Cory Doctorow coined the neologism "enshittification" in November 2022, though he was not the first to describe and label the concept.[1][2] The American Dialect Society selected it as its 2023 Word of the Year.
Sonder (noun): the feeling one has on realizing that every other individual one sees has a life as full and real as one’s own, in which they are the central character and others, including oneself, have secondary or insignificant roles: In a state of sonder, each of us is at once a hero, a supporting cast member, and an extra in overlapping stories.
dictionary.com
This one always makes me smile, because it's from the Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows. It's just some guy's blog in which he comes up with new words to express experiences and emotions that are difficult to describe, and that specific one has thoroughly broken containment
That was lovely, thank you for that.
callipygous : having shapely buttocks
and zaftig
of a woman : having a full rounded figure : pleasingly plump
Also: gyatt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widdershins
Just because it sounds cool.
Sounds useful in Minecraft. Like you put a sign in a cave "exit widdershins" to tell people to follow the left wall.
Yesss. I love this word and use it whenever I can
Widdershins start my hair, your Spooktober decorations are so spooky!!!!
Gormless - Lacking initiative, foolish
Copacetic - correct, orderly, good
Copacetic
Widdershins. It means counter to the sun's direction , and was seen as inauspicious. Counter-clockwise, before clocks.
I only know the term from Disc World, is that a real world term or just one of the many whimsical terms Pratchett coined in the books
It's real! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widdershins
It sounds fancy, but means a casual lover. A fuck buddy. A friend with benefits. Though it can also carry the implication of being an out-of-wedlock lover, as it dates back to a time where having a fuck buddy was almost certainly a sign of married infidelity.
Means one's friends and other people they are close to that aren't family. Often paired with "kin". Kith and kin. Friends and family.
A paramour is an “other lover”. Para = beside, amour = love. It’s not a casual fuck buddy, it’s your cheating partner. I’m surprised to hear you say it’s unknown as a word these days? Seems like just a normal word to me, albeit one I’m happy to go without using as cheaters suck.
Interesting. The only two references I've ever heard to Paramour are the band and the achievement in Mass Effect. I'm now wondering if the devs of that series knew exactly what it meant (infidelity) because you get the achievement for having any relationship. Maybe it's because you can't remain loyal to your original partner to get it in all three games with one playthrough.
I don't remember for sure about the old games, but the Legendary Edition has one for each game.
Borborygmus I use often enough, but it's not widely known. It's the gurgling sound produced by the movement of gas through your intestines.
Limaceous I almost never use, but I enjoy it anyway. It means characteristic of or pertaining to slugs.
And lastly, tawdry is one of my favorites meaning showy but cheap and poor quality.
Shemomedjamo - Georgian word meaning to eat past the point of fullness because it tastes so good or as I heard it, "I accidentally ate the whole thing."
Not a word, but there's a specific phrase uttered when you casually pass by someone working, stop for a chat, and then genuinely wish them well with their work as you leave.
This phrase does not exist in English:
Nor does it exist in German:
In Turkish, you just say "Kolay Gelsin", meaning "May the work come easy so that you finish sooner".
Its such a useful unjudgemental phrase, easily uttered, that I've seen nowhere else. Maybe other languages have it too.
Would "Have a good one" maybe serve that purpose? It's not exactly the same, but similar sentiment.
Yeah, I'd say so. Maybe something like "Take it easy" would fit better.
"... and if that don't work, take it sleazy."
"May the odds be ever in your favor" works in almost any situation!
Reminds me of a much abbreviated version of this Irish prayer:
May the road rise up to meet you.
May the wind always be at your back.
May the sun shine warm upon your face,
and rains fall soft upon your fields.
And until we meet again,
May God hold you in the palm of His hand.
I use "have fun" completely unironically all the time. One time my partner's (Pakistani) carer thought I spoke Arabic because Afwan is apparently an Arabic salutation meaning approximately the same as "cheerio", "goodbye", or "you're welcome" in English. He also turns up around half one every day for added amusement
Dutch: 'Werk ze'
"Good luck with/have fun with that!" In a pleasant tone while gesturing towards the act being done is enough, I've found
Unless it's clearly like, WORK, work, then something like "don't work too hard, there!" Is common
“Break a leg” is close, but more reserved for some grand performance
So in Estonian we have a bunch of those I don't remember because nobody uses them anymore. But the main one everyone knows is "Kivi kotti" (literally, stone/rock in your bag, but much like with "break a leg", you actually wish them well). It's still basically "good luck" but not so much for grand performances, it could just be for your first day of work, or going fishing (the real origin I guess). There's also "Nael kummi" which is "nail in your tire", which is reserved for people driving somewhere.
Grok
It means to know or understand, like "yeah man I can grok that."
Being pedantic, but it's beyond that.
To grok is to know or understand so completely, it becomes a part of yourself. To know something fully. You can understand the concepts of astrophysics, but you might not grok the concept.
I guess I didn't grok the true meaning of the word. Thank you!
Specifically, it refers to a deep understanding.
[A critic] notes that [the coiner's] first intensional definition is simply "to drink", but that this is only a metaphor "much as English 'I see' often means the same as 'I understand'". (from Wikipedia)
When you claim to "grok" some knowledge or technique, you are asserting that you have not merely learned it in a detached instrumental way but that it has become part of you, part of your identity. For example, to say that you "know" Lisp is simply to assert that you can code in it if necessary – but to say you "grok" Lisp is to claim that you have deeply entered the world-view and spirit of the language, with the implication that it has transformed your view of programming. Contrast zen, which is a similar supernatural understanding experienced as a single brief flash. (The Jargon File; also quoted on Wikipedia)
For those who aren't familiar with the word, it comes from the 1961 scifi novel "Stranger in a Strange Land".
Yeah that's right, seems my link didn't populate right.
Ah, I grew up listening to Adventures In Odyssey and one character said that all the time. Beautiful word.
Unlike many of these I'd heard it before but didn't know its true meaning. It fits.
Darth Tenebrous
That list is going to send me down a rabbit hole looking for the etymology of words
I'm a master in Cacography!
‘Tenebroso’ is commonly used in Spanish, at least in Spain. This whole thread is very interesting.
A lot of words in English have a Germanic and Latin version. The Germanic one tends to be more common in everyday use, while the Latin one tends to be more formal, a consequence of French being the language of the aristocracy back in the day. Spanish is all Latin-derived, so they would of course be the everyday words.
Confusing and confused comment.
English indeed belongs to the Germanic branch of the Indo-European language family i.e. has german it its core structure and basic vocabulary (pronouns, basic verbs, nouns). Also some idiomatic expressions are also rooted in its Germanic heritage.
Latin influence primarily came through old English (Latin via christianity) and middle English when the Normans invaded England. This Latin is mainly in areas like law, governance, religion and literature. It’s estimated that over 60% of modern English vocabulary is derived from Latin, often via French.
Greek is everywhere in the fields of science, medicine, philosophy, and the arts. It makes up a smaller percentage compared to Latin—perhaps around 10% of the English vocabulary, though it forms the basis of many complex and specialized terms.
A modern German speaker might recognize some English words with Germanic roots, but the recognition is often less obvious due to centuries of language evolution.
For Greek speakers, recognizing Greek-derived words in English is significantly easier and straightforward. This is because the words have been adopted verbatim, with barely any transformation. And these words usually fall in the category of more academic, high-level English.
In the parent comment for example, 4 out of 6 words are purely Greek (Cacography, Epeolatry, Kakistocracy, Oikophilia).
Kakistocracy: “a state or society governed by its least suitable or competent citizens.”
See also kleptocracy: rule by thieves. I not infrequently refer to our government as a kleptocratic kakistocracy
Brobdingnagian.
It's a very big word that means very big.
It comes from Gulliver's travels. The Brobdingnagians are giants, 12 times the height of humans. The word isn't limited to that scale, but it's definitely for things that are unusually large compared to us.
It's the literal opposite of Lilliputian, which is from the better known race from "Travels" that are 1/12 our size.
It's my absolute favorite word. Not just because it's a literary reference but it's fun to say. Brob ding nag ian. It just burbles off the tongue like a drunken stream stumbling among the rocks of its bed. And, it's a big word that means big, which is just fun wordplay. Like the phobia of big words, hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia, which was inevitable as soon as the idea of a phobia of big words was conceived.
Wud u tho?
"Could care less" is mine
I once knew a guy from the deep south who'd say stuff like yoostacud. I yoostacud run a marathon. I thought that was marvellous! Another one was fixina. I'm fixina get tickets to the game tonight. You in?
It's German but 'Rucksackriemenquerverbindungsträger', the thing between the straps of a backpack that you can connect to lighten the load on your shoulders.
I made the word up but I use it pretty often.
Yes
What did Germany ever do to you?
Duodenum.
Doo-odd-in-umm.
The duodenum is the first section of the small intestine in most higher vertebrates, including mammals
They wrote “Roaming In The Gloaming”, I guess?
Nonplussed...that takes me back.
I was educated in a private school for British ex-pats run by a very old and very posh couple. This was the early eighties and they were already in their seventies, so definitely from a different era. Because of this and because of the size of our school (my entire year consisted of nine kids) we ended up quite odd. Up until highschool we had a mild but "poshy" London accent and words like vexing, nonplussed, providential, etc., peppered our vocabulary. Then my family moved to Louisiana followed by Texas and that shit went right out.
Also, the word is aluminium. It is NOT aluminum!
I very recently learned that Amour is not universal and I just grew up playing a singular RPG that was developed by a group of British brothers so that forever shaped my expectations for how Armour should be spelled
I was right there with you until you defended that silly word.
It's interesting, it is becoming a modern day contronym
ereyesterday is the day before yesterday. as a german i am used to refer to two days in the past and future without useing weekdays.
They’ve fallen from grace. Probably because it’s been a few centuries since the saxons
The language could use a refresher eh
its actually a real rabit hole to see which cultures use however many days to refer into the future and past. Since the use of unified calenders its been declining. few centuries ago it wasnt unusual to have words for like "five days ago". and some languages actually perserved that!
Dont ask me for specifics tho. its been many moons since i did that deep dive ^^
And übermorgen in German
And övermorgon in Swedish
Obstreperous - noisy or difficult to control (as in "the boy is cocky and obstreperous")
Meant to say in my Nero Wolfe comment - there's a Lemmy community for interesting words at !wotd@lemmy.world - it's not very busy, but still.
Perchance!
You can't just say "perchance"!
An ultracrepidarian—from ultra- ("beyond") and crepidarian ("things related to shoes")—is a person considered to have ignored this advice and to be offering opinions they know nothing about.
The word is derived from a longer Latin phrase and refers to a story from Pliny the Elder
The phrase is recorded in Book 35 of Pliny the Elder's Natural History as ne supra crepidam sutor iudicaret[1] ("Let the cobbler not judge beyond the crepida") and ascribed to the Greek painter Apelles of Kos. Supposedly, Apelles would put new paintings on public display and hide behind them to hear and act on their reception.[2] On one occasion, a shoemaker (Latin sutor) noted that one of the crepides[a] in a painting had the wrong number of straps and was so delighted when he found the error corrected the next day that he started in on criticizing the legs.[2] Indignant, Apelles came from his hiding place and admonished him to confine his opinions to the shoes.[2] Pliny then states that since that time it had become proverbial.[2]
Yeah, and folks know "scruples" as a noun which some people have and some don't, but "scruple" as a verb is a nice archaic version that I really like, which you don't encounter much outside of, say, a Jane Austen novel.
Sorry
Sorry, I speak a little Canadian, eh?
Makes me want to find an excuse to use the term autoeroticdefenestration: to be sexually aroused by throwing yourself out of windows
I see what you did there
Internecine, meaning "destructive to both sides in a conflict".
Petty bickering like that divorce where they had a judge adjudicate the distribution of their beanie baby collection was internecine.
As soon as I read "destructive to both sides in a conflict" I immediately thought of that case. And then you referenced it 😂
I'm currently reading through all of Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe mysteries, and one fun feature is that he almost always includes one or more very obscure words. It's a nice little thing to look out for.
In the one I'm currently reading it's, "peculate," meaning to embezzle or steal money. Others include:
I had a look to see if I could find a full list but sadly not. However most Wikipedia entries for the individual novels include a section called, "The unfamiliar word," if you want to find more.
I had a look to see if I could find a full list but sadly not. However most Wikipedia entries for the individual novels include a section called, "The unfamiliar word," if you want to find more.
Be the change you want to see in the world.
Yeah, I was thinking I might. I ly thing is, I haven't got all the books, nor do I have a website on which to host such a list. However I might still have a go 👍
It’s curious to see how things merge between languages. In Spain, both usufruct (usufructo) and eruction (eructo) are quite common words.
Oh really? That's cool, thanks for the info. Language is so fascinating 👍
In Poland it's "pojutrze" - after tomorrow, and "przedwczoraj" - before yesterday (those are also literal translations just as i wrote). Also in common and constant usage.
Vituperative. Means vicious.
I am now adding overmorrow to my vocabulary. I can't wait to confuse the shit out of people I hate.
You know that episode of Seinfeld where someone eats a candy bar with a knife and fork and it just spreads into the wild because people don't really question it?
That's what I'm hoping happens with overmorrow
Sometimes I feel like I'm still the only person who still uses it. I'm teaching my daughter the proper way to use it because the schools aren't.
It also means path dependency.
I think you meant lag. But this is a good one. One of my favorite words. It seems to be used in technical settings a lot, especially for electricity. I read an article a while back that applied it to social situations I.e. social hysteresis. It applies to so many things its ridiculous.
Two of my favorite:
Why do people still think vaccines cause autism despite the overwhelming evidence against? Social hysteresis.
Why do people think inflation is out of control in the US despite the fact that its been less than 3% for over a year? Social hysteresis. (Also because people want deflation)
On thermostats it's the difference between the off and on temperatures - like if you set it to 24 degrees, you could have a hysteresis of 1 degree, meaning it'll turn on again at 23 degrees. (Or something like that.)
Vulgar Argot - a word or phrase that is obsolete or incredibly obscure.
Defenestrate means to throw out of a window.
For example, "Someone should defenestrate Putin."
Many languages have it. English for some reason does not use it
In my country we also have a word for that and it's always used when referring to overmorrow.
Not to be confused with philatelist, a stamp collector. The word means to enjoy receiving something without the necessity of payment.
Twaddle: something insignificant or worthless or another word Nonsense.
Discovered this word while reading the dictionary during silent reading in English and they wouldn’t let me play games.
There used to be a Scottish football ⚽ player called Kevin Twaddle. Always amused me.
Scrofulous - a) having a diseased run-down appearance. b) morally contaminated
I learned this word when I heard someone being described as a 'scrofulous drinkist' lol
Wait overmorrow is correct English? We have "morgen" and "overmorgen" in Dutch which is tomorrow and overmorrow respectively, so I always missed an overmorrow in English. Is it actually commonly understood or will people look at me like I'm a weird foreigner when I use it?
It's archaic english. So yes, I think people will think you're weird. But maybe if you start using it with your dutch friends/colleagues in english-speaking contexts, you can slowly introduce it into common usage in your community. Might be cool.
Also don't forget "ereyesterday" for the day before yesterday.
My contribution is katzenjammer, which is a word describing a really bad hangover (in the English language). I believe it is used a bit differently in the German language, but don't take my word for it.
I learned that word from an old comic from the late 19th century called The Katzenjammer Kids, which apparently is the oldest strip still in syndication.
Uxor, Uxoris, f. (Latin) = wife
What a great word in today's dating scene. Is it an older word that has been modified to be more modern?
Jocund: cheerful and lighthearted.
From Romeo and Juliet:
Night's candles are burnt out, and jocund day
Stands tiptoe on the misty mountain tops.
Lugubre in Spanish. Well known word in this other language. I love this thread!
Salitter is my answer to this one every time.
The silence. The salitter drying from the earth. The mudstained shapes of flooded cities burned to the waterline. At a crossroads a ground set with dolmen stones where the spoken bones of oracles lay moldering. No sound but the wind.
Here, also.
I got one that everyone thinks they know but they don't:
Bulimia.
Everybody commonly referse to purge type binge eating disorders as Bulimia, but that is actually Bulimia Nervosa, strongly correlated with Anorexia.
What Bulimia really means is constant strong cravings for food, and it can express itself in people of all sizes with a notably large number of heavily overweight victims in stark contrast to Anorexics.
The reason for the confusion is constant misuse by tabloids and clickbait articles.
Verantwortungsbewusstsein. Let's get back to our roots.
Is that obsolete or obscure (in German speaking areas)?
The concept might be, but the word itself is a compound of the words "verantwortung" and "bewusstsein". They mean responsibility and consciousness respectively, and are both perfectly common and simple words. The whole thing means what you think it does, nothing special.
German doesn't really have those hyper specific super obscure words, they're almost always compound words made up of common words.
Logoparalysis. https://lemmus.org/post/6454872
Shannon Makes fan?
Euouae
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euouae
Euouae (/juː.ˈuː.iː/; sometimes spelled Evovae)[1] is an abbreviation used as a musical mnemonic in Latin psalters and other liturgical books of the Roman Rite. It stands for the syllables of the Latin words saeculorum Amen, taken from the Gloria Patri, a Christian doxology that concludes with the phrase in saecula saeculorum. Amen. The mnemonic is used to notate the variable melodic endings (differentiae) of psalm tones in Gregorian chant.
In some cases, the letters of Euouae may be further abbreviated to E—E.[2] A few books of English chant (notably Burgess and Palmer's The Plainchant Gradual) make use of oioueae for the equivalent English phrase, "world without end. Amen".
According to Guinness World Records, Euouae is the longest word in the English language consisting only of vowels, and also the English word with the most consecutive vowels.[3] As a mnemonic originating from Latin, it is unclear that it should count as an English word; however, it is found in the unabridged Collins English Dictionary.[4]
John Madden. Football.
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Two words technically, but "Nothing doing!"
Sort of an old fashioned way to say "no way"
Serendipity, idk it sounds cool, "serendipitous" moments happen a lot irl (e.g. forgetting to bring ur wallet with u to the supermarket but minutes later, you end up finding a coin in a random pocket from your jacket to unlock a shopping cart), but it almost only sees its use in fiction, like.....
Serendipity, a stroke of fortune! Great word.
Coprophasia
Lemmy
As long as it's not "used car salesmen" words:
It's as discordant as "the above paragraph" or "see the below steps" except with wrong words instead of broken ordering.
No one mentioned "niggardly" yet? What's going on?
For those that can't believe it's not a racial slur.
Niggard (14th C) is derived from the Middle English word meaning 'stingy,' nigon, which is probably derived from two other words also meaning 'stingy,' Old Norse hnǫggr and Old English hnēaw.[2] The word niggle, which in modern usage means to give excessive attention to minor details, probably shares an etymology with niggardly.[3]
It's an obsolete and relatively obscure word that I think a lot of people don't know - because if most people did know it, no one would ever have gotten into trouble for using it.
It needs to be retired honestly. Like you said, more often than not it's used by smug racists. There are other, better words that mean the same thing like avaricious, miserly, parsimonious, or to keep it simple - cheap.
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perambulation is a good one. My morning walk isn't quite grand enough to be called a 'constitutional'; nor scenic and leisurely enough to be called a 'stroll'; nor yet social enough to be called a 'promenade'; 'perambulation' is just the ticket.
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