When we finally get to a 4 day work week, will you be happy to see Friday go, or Monday?

2 years ago by DaMonsterKnees to c/asklemmy

I'm pulling for Monday. Friday's already mostly a write-off.

Asafum 95 points 2 years ago

Super optimistic title there lol

I'm with Cowbee. I don't see this happening outside of a few mom and pop places that decide to do it on their own until "government" forces the change. Just look at the 3 letter jackasses freaking out about WFH.

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JackbyDev 24 points 2 years ago

I was looking for fully remote jobs recently. All the local jobs are back to 3 days in office. One of the recruiters said something like "our employees are happy to go into the office three days a week" and my eyes nearly rolled out of my skull.

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i_am_not_a_robot 4 points 2 years ago

"Happy"

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JackbyDev 8 points 2 years ago

It felt more like a threat. Like "if you're not the type of person to enjoy that then look somewhere else"

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bitjunkie 1 point 2 years ago

There's pretty much no clearer way of telling you that their employees are all miserable but lie about it out of fear of reprisal.

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sunzu2 5 points 2 years ago
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gangdinesout 3 points 2 years ago path: 0 12760998 12787438, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
ryathal 55 points 2 years ago

Id rather kill Wednesday.

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OhmsLawn 44 points 2 years ago

I'd be so disappointed by this.

Every time I take a day off midweek, it feels like doubling the number of weeks in the week, rather than reducing the number of days.

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SmokeInFog 10 points 2 years ago

I've found it precisely the opposite: Monday is like a Thursday (so experientially two Thursdays and two Fridays) with a free day to schedule doctor's appointments, car fixes, and all the other little things you'd normally have to take PTO for but now do not

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Dave 3 points 2 years ago

Wait, so you get a 4 day week but everyone else has to do 5 days so you can go to your appointments?

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SmokeInFog 8 points 2 years ago

No. It's not like businesses that are open 7 days a week require all of their employees to work every one of those days

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SmokeInFog 1 point 2 years ago
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Vinny_93 28 points 2 years ago

When I worked 32 hours at my first job I took out the Wednesday. It's a great rhythm to get into, two days of work and a day or two in between.

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grysbok 4 points 2 years ago

That's effectively what I had as an undergrad and it was lovely. Wednesdays were (mostly) reserved for labs, so if you weren't taking chemistry or another class with a lab, you had Wednesdays to sleep in. I rather miss that.

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philpo 2 points 2 years ago

I am self employed and actually do that whenever possible (which is a rare occurrence these days,but I managed to do it for six month once). It sounds counterintuitive to do so, but it's actually a fairly nice concept. You work for two days, which is not that long and offers you enough chance to really work "all in". Then you sleep in in Wednesday and do most of the weekly chores - all that shit you would normally do half of your Saturday. And then you do another two days, already approaching a full weekend - which is far less likely to be interrupted by these lousy chores you normally need to do. And if some things remain,you are not having four but two work days in your bones - which makes them easier and usually faster to put behind you.

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reagansrottencorpse 1 point 2 years ago

Can I ask what you do? I need to get a job and I'm dreading it after being out of the work force for a bit. Id much rather be my own boss.

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philpo 1 point 2 years ago

I am a CEO/founder of a small healthcare consulting company.

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Cowbee 44 points 2 years ago

The 4 day work week likely won't be established as the standard until Socialism is achieved and the bourgeoisie overthrown, but when that happens it will depend on the job and sector, likely working with different shifts to maintain 24/7 production but with lower workload. Probably a move to a 30 hour work-week, like what PSL suggests.

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queermunist 50 points 2 years ago

Don't be so cynical!

The 4 day work week could be established under capitalism so it's easier to have two fulltime jobs. 💀

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Cowbee 21 points 2 years ago

I hate that you're right...

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xmunk 6 points 2 years ago

Nah we'll move to a three day work week but America will require you to work a minimum of 48 hours to qualify as full time.

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metaStatic 3 points 2 years ago

But working multiple jobs is cheating on your employer

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velox_vulnus 2 points 2 years ago
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morgan_423 34 points 2 years ago

Neither. I'd remove Wednesdays.

Middle of the week off day lets you get all your errands done with little annoyance from or waiting behind the public, so you get everything knocked out and have your weekends 100% for you.

More importantly, on a 4 day workweek with Wed/Weekend off, you NEVER work more than two consecutive days. Ever. It's fantastic.

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Timecircleline 14 points 2 years ago

If everyone had Wednesday off you would need to contend with the public though.

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tiefling 13 points 2 years ago

Fuck that. Yeah it means you can stay out later Tuesday, but you can't do jack shit Wednesday knowing that Thursday is coming up. I'd rather have another Saturday than another Sunday if that makes sense.

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Sasha 8 points 2 years ago

Judging from the other comments it's not for everyone, but personally I love my Wednesdays off. For me it's mostly about dealing with accumulated fatigue due to a health condition though, and I definitely agree about the errands. When I have lots of medical appointments they're so easy to schedule lol

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Gingernate 4 points 2 years ago

Fuck that I've done schedules like that before . . I'd much rather just take 3 days in a row. Able to rest so much more. Obviously personal preference though!

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Tolookah 33 points 2 years ago

Alternating Mondays and Fridays. This gets you alternating two day weekends and 4 day weekends

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Subtracty 13 points 2 years ago

This is a cool idea that I didn't consider.

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chaosCruiser 1 point 2 years ago

That’s an interesting idea. So, effectively you have a 14 day period (AKA fortnight) with 8 work days and 6 days off. While this door is open, we might as well re-arrange the work days however we want. You could have 2 days of work followed by 2 days off until the end of the fortnight when you’ll just have 4 days off.

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twinnie 28 points 2 years ago

I used to work a compressed week and started taking Monday but eventually it moved to Friday. When I took Monday off I felt like I had to pay for it with the next four days, when I took Friday it was like I was being rewarded with an early weekend.

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blackbirdbiryani 2 points 2 years ago

I love using Wednesdays to clear leave (I know, not the best day in terms of utility for holidays and stuff) as you essentially create a new Friday. Work is so much more bearable.

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skeezix 3 points 2 years ago

What’s clearing leave? Is that an American concept?

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sudo 3 points 2 years ago

Sounds like a military thing? Not a normal US civilian worker phrase.

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habitualTartare 2 points 2 years ago

Yes, paid time off requests or advanced request to use leave (doctor appointment, or other) is typical for any planned absenced in the US.

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skeezix 1 point 2 years ago

holy shit you barbarians.

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NickwithaC 27 points 2 years ago path: 0 12763576, hotness: undefined, score: 27, children: 2
RizzRustbolt 7 points 2 years ago

It's the smartest option.

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asexualchangeling 3 points 2 years ago
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No1 22 points 2 years ago

SILENCE, PEASANT!

You will now work Saturday as well!

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Nuke_the_whales 7 points 2 years ago

I used to like to work Saturday at my old job. It was overtime pay. Then my provincial government helped corporations and made it so that overtime didn't start until 48 hours a week, killing the incentive to work Saturdays.

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dubyakay 2 points 2 years ago

Open for business? More like open for exploit, nepotism and cronyism, amirite?

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SmokeInFog 1 point 2 years ago

Is that you, Rowan, manager of TechTown?

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johannesvanderwhales 19 points 2 years ago

Part of me thinks Wednesday. I wouldn't be surprised to see flex schedules more common in a 4 day work week world

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ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling 18 points 2 years ago
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Kcs8v6 5 points 2 years ago

IMO I'd take the 3 day break every time. Being able to take the kids to their grandparents for a 3 day weekend, or stay another day on a weekend trip sounds too convenient to pass up.

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scytale 18 points 2 years ago

I also vote Monday. Seems to be easier to get back to work after a Monday holiday vs a Friday holiday.

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fireweed 15 points 2 years ago

Crazy thought, but what if it differed by industry? Something like blue collar jobs get Monday off, white collar gets Friday off. That way office workers can for example more easily stay home to get their cable serviced and plumbers can more easily meet with a mortgage agent. Obviously because of overlap it's not perfect (office workers can't meet with mortgage agent, plumbers can't get their cable serviced), but there's a huge issue currently with people working 9-5 M-F being unable to access services that are also only available 9-5 M-F, so this would at least distribute things a little more. (This kind of thing already exists for some industries like restaurants, where W-Su workweeks are common)

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NicolaHaskell 4 points 2 years ago

I'm on board with the complementarity objective, but dividing society by collar color is a means for distributing things less. Time barriers reinforce worker segmentation by industry. Different rituals and religious traditions evolve on either side, and Romeo and Juliet are lost in their respective crowds. Convinced their problem is too much work, Four Day Workweek Jesus arrives to champion a revolution towards a three day week, and Four Day Workweek Satan points out that arranging and organizing other people's lives (for free!) has always been in support of the same capitalists that the bleeding heart Christians seem so upset about.

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tetris11 2 points 2 years ago

I'm imagining a white color and blue color worker couple each having an entire day to themselves in a week. Sounds like heaven, and the ideal relationship. I'm 100% onboard.

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Nemo 15 points 2 years ago

realistically, if we move to a four-day world week it won't be the same four days for everyone

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bountygiver 5 points 2 years ago

this, I rather it not be the same 4 days for everyone so people actually can get things done instead of half the services close the same time you leave work

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BigBananaDealer 14 points 2 years ago

i will probably die of old age by the time we get a 4 day work week (im early 20s)

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pepsison52895 1 point 2 years ago

This entirely depends on the company and/or the type of work you do. My manager is considering implementing it after I proposed it for our team. That was only a few days ago so we'll see where it goes.

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AceFuzzLord 13 points 2 years ago

Friday only because Garfield would probably have to change to "I hate Tuesdays".

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tankplanker 13 points 2 years ago

UK majority of the bank holidays are on a Monday, so Fridays would be nice as otherwise you'd lose them and what would become long weekends now.

UK we are seeing a very slow shift to 4 day weeks for more privileged jobs, I work with two people who both have Fridays off as it's an actual thing you can apply for at my employer.

While the Tories stopped councils from offering 4 day weeks to employees, it's got to be coming back, further spreading its availability.

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10_0 1 point 2 years ago
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naught101 13 points 2 years ago

Wednesday. I've been doing that for years. It's nice because it feels relaxing and still part of the work week, so still productive.

I can usually swap it for a Monday or Friday with a week or so's notice, if I want to take a long weekend some time.

Also I get more public holidays than if I took Monday off.

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captainlezbian 6 points 2 years ago

Yeah, that’s what I want. 3 days off in a row is nice, but not having to work 3 days in a row sounds amazing

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jbrains 1 point 2 years ago

I have worked this schedule at a job I disliked. Never more than about 32 hours from time off felt amazing.

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w3dd1e 12 points 2 years ago

I save up my vacation every year and take as many Wednesdays off as possible. I prefer the break in the middle of the week. It has done wonders for my mental health and my ability to get shit done while everyone else is busy.

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ExFed 1 point 2 years ago

Hear hear! Monday/Friday off is overrated. Get rid of hump day!

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PriorityMotif 9 points 2 years ago
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BruceLee 8 points 2 years ago

Can we do half-days? I would like to take Wednesday afternoon off as well as Friday afternoon. Longer weekend with a little break in the week.

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rustyricotta 3 points 2 years ago

I second this, but only for work from home folks.

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BruceLee 1 point 2 years ago

4-days-of-work week doesn't have to be full on-site. I would also like to work from home those mornings and Monday. This way, I'm at the office only twice a week and I never do two days of commute consecutively.

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apocalypticat 6 points 2 years ago

Their point was that working onsite half a day is shit. No one likes commuting to work.

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BruceLee 1 point 2 years ago

Well it depends on your commute. If you are not stuck by traffic, you could choose to make your way to home a stroll as you know you have nothing to rush for.

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tobogganablaze 8 points 2 years ago

Those are the only two days you could have picked where it wouldn't make a difference. Either way you have 4 consecutive days of work followed by 3 free days.

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Subtracty 6 points 2 years ago

Tuesday would immediately become the new Monday and everyone would get the Monday scaries. The start of a series of work days will always be a bummer, no matter what you call it.

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deranger 2 points 2 years ago

We did four 10s at my last job, rotating every quarter whether you had off Monday or Friday. Personally I much preferred working the quieter Monday to the boring Friday. Tuesday became the new Monday as that’s when everyone was back in office. I didn’t feel the quiet Monday when you had half-ish the staff working was too bad, but the quiet Fridays really dragged. Quiet Monday was a nice ramp up to Tuesday, I got a lot of shit done on those Mondays.

I’d say there is a difference to which day you choose off. It doesn’t seem like there would be a difference but I definitely felt it.

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Subtracty 2 points 2 years ago

Ok, I wasn't considering a rotation where the workplace would be partially staffed Mondays and Fridays. That makes a lot of sense. I was imagining everyone having off Saturday-Mondthatn a more universal weekend, which I think would not be practical for getting things accomplished. In that case I see what you mean about Mondays.

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deranger 1 point 2 years ago

It was a hospital IT job so we couldn’t do everyone on the same schedule. My estimate would be 40% stayed on traditional M-F 8s, 30% on M-Th 10s, and 30% on Tu-F 10s. Quiet Monday was nice, quiet Friday really dragged, especially after lunch. I was way more productive working on Monday vs Friday.

The hybrid schedule worked pretty good for coverage, we also had staggered start times so there was always someone around M-F 6a-6p. Tuesday through Thursday was packed with meetings as that’s when you really had 100% of everyone working.

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ech 3 points 2 years ago

Why in the world would you pick any other day?

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tobogganablaze 3 points 2 years ago

I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of having wednesday intermission instead of a 3 day weekend.

But the proper thing to do would calculate which weekedays have the least amount of fixed holidays and then pick one of those.

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VintageTech 7 points 2 years ago

I'm fighting for a 3-Day work week 20hrs and no more. It can be done.

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Smashfire 1 point 2 years ago

Oh? Tell me more

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Fester 7 points 2 years ago

Someone’s got a bad case of the Tuesdays.

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someguy3 6 points 2 years ago

You get your ass kicked for saying something like that.

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lily33 7 points 2 years ago

My bet is, it'll be Saturday that goes, finally achieving a 6-day work week.

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chaosCruiser 7 points 2 years ago

Wednesday

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Strayce 6 points 2 years ago

It makes no difference. With Mondays off, Tuesday becomes the new Monday. Fridays off means Thursday starts feeling like Friday.

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bitjunkie 6 points 2 years ago

Here's an idea: let the individual workers choose which day works best for them.

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Iampossiblyatwork 5 points 2 years ago

That would mean giving control to individuals. If RTO mandates have taught me anything... Corporate loves control.

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Mandy 6 points 2 years ago
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itsworkthatwedo 19 points 2 years ago

That's not usually what is meant by proponents of the 4 day work week. Instead, they're usually referring to four 8-hour days.

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Mandy 4 points 2 years ago
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vrek 1 point 2 years ago

Where I work we do a mix... Some 4 days, 10 hrs each, some 5days 8 hrs each.

Production is typically 4/10 and most other people are 5/8. This allows the other groups a day where production isn't running and other things can happen, like maintaining equipment and running tests without interfering with production schedules. While not requiring support to come in on a Saturday or Sunday.

It works out pretty well for us, except when production does ot on Fridays for weeks in a row and the other stuff can't get done...

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sasquash 5 points 2 years ago

I had both for a while. And somehow Monday's still felt a bit like Monday. So I would go with Friday.

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NicolaHaskell 5 points 2 years ago

There's a lot of optimism in this thread, so if I may imagine Sophie kicking the dust instead of choosing..

Assuming such a thing did happen it'd only happen for a subset of the population, which would then be divided such that one group gets Monday and the other gets Friday while service workers get two more nights of labor.

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Joshi 4 points 2 years ago

I'm lucky to have been able to experiment a bit with this as my work is flexible and I'm in a pretty good bargaining position. I also do a fair bit of unpaid work out of hours.

Having either Friday or Monday I've found to be little different. Having alternating Fridays and Mondays is pretty awesome, 4 days on, 2 off, 4 on, 4 off.

There's a lot to be said for a mid week day off too. I'm looking at moving to a new employer and hoping to go negotiate a 3 day week, maybe Mon-Tues-Thur for example which will be heaven if I can pull it off.

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Pulptastic 4 points 2 years ago

I have a 4 day work week and love it.

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Treedrake 3 points 2 years ago

I'd willingly want to move down to 4-day weeks in some year even with the reduced salary. I'm privileged enough to afford it, and the time regained is absolutely worth the loss in salary and future pension. I'd like alternating Mondays and Fridays, so every 2 weeks you get a 4-day weekend.

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Meltrax 3 points 2 years ago

"When"? Lol.

I appreciate your optimisim but at least in the USA, this is never happening.

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Cowbee 1 point 2 years ago

It'll happen once the US Empire is overthrown and Socialism established, assuming World War 3 or Climate Change don't kill us all first. The US Empire is dying out.

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Meltrax 2 points 2 years ago

Uh huh...

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Cowbee 2 points 2 years ago

Yep.

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Phoenix3875 3 points 2 years ago

Unless you do something special depending on the day (like going to church on Sundays), aren't the two options the same? They are both 4 up 3 down periods.

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Subtracty 1 point 2 years ago

Exactly! When I first read this post, I thought it was sarcasm. Firstly, the assumption that a 4 day work week is innevitable. And second, if we were gifted such a massive win, the loss of the dreaded "Monday" would not matter because it is just an arbitrary name. There will still be an end to the weekend and start to the week.

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AgentGrimstone 3 points 2 years ago

Friday because it's already mostly a write off.

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oxjox 3 points 2 years ago

For football fans, the answer is Monday.

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INHALE_VEGETABLES 2 points 2 years ago

Fuck Monday right off I'm invested in Tuesday hate

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NineMileTower 2 points 2 years ago

As a teacher, how would this work for schools?

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tankplanker 2 points 2 years ago

Different days off and more teachers than we have currently. The same people who view 5 day work weeks as an imposition as workers should be doing 6 or even 7 day weeks for the same pay as 5, view state schools as subsidised babysitting for their workers kids so schools would need to stay as 5 days rather than drop to 4

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Subtracty 1 point 2 years ago

I get the feeling certain jobs are going to be deemed too vital to move to a 4 day work week. Unless there are enough teachers to rotate shifts.

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NineMileTower 4 points 2 years ago

Unless there are enough teachers to rotate shifts.

There isn't enough to cover current shifts.

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Subtracty 2 points 2 years ago

I forgot to add a /s after that sentence. I know teachers are severely understaffed and underfunded. This 4 day workweek seems like it would be wonderful with the exception of the people deemed too vital not to work. Just like during covid, some people will have a better time being paid to stay home, and others will have to continue working for the same pay. The burden would certainly fall on teachers, doctors, nurses, construction workers, maintenance personnel, and any other job that has a short supply of workers and high demand. Before switching to this system, our society would need to consider how to handle this problem.

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Hobbes_Dent 2 points 2 years ago

Not totally relevant because I work 4-on-4-off, but I tell anyone who will listen to me say that the best, most wonderfullest, pry it from my cold fingers part is that I no longer care if it’s Monday. Ever. This is wonderful, even if my shifts fall on one. Because it’s Monday and it’s no longer special and has no power over me. I don’t think I’d have the same passion talking about Fridays.

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chottomatte 2 points 2 years ago

Friday is already a holiday here , I want Thursday to join holidays....

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f__ 2 points 2 years ago

I have a 4-day work week (32h - fridays off). The 3-day weekend is a game changer.

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2ugly2live 1 point 2 years ago

If we all have the same schedule, Friday, if it varies, Monday. I can get stuff done and everyone is tired and grumpy so I don't have to talk a bunch. People are too... Talkative on Fridays.

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at_an_angle 1 point 2 years ago

I work Sunday through Thursday.

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funtrek 1 point 2 years ago
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Pappabosley 1 point 2 years ago

Once you all agree on a day, let me know and I'll take the other one. No queues anywhere!

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dsilverz 1 point 2 years ago
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SturgiesYrFase 1 point 2 years ago

So I work annualised hours, based on a 35hr work week. So summer hour are Mon thru Fri 41hrs total, winter is Mon thru Thurs 31hrs total. I actually like the setup, as a mason I'd actually not mind doing longer hours than we are in the summer and even shorter in the winter, as the weather is too shit in the winter to actually get anything done anyway.

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BonesOfTheMoon 1 point 2 years ago

Monday.

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