It's like someone coming out of an abusive relationship. Every other sentence is about the awful things they did, how good it is to be away, and did you hear about xyz thing they did.

It's exhausting.

You can subscribe to subs that don't talk about it and unsubscribe from the ones that do.

There will be a lot of growing pains as communities take time to migrate over, discuss the drama, have new communities created, seeing over time which ones are moderated in ways you enjoy.

Tldr: take it easy, you and the communities will sort themselves out in time.

Strangely enough, many people do things for other reasons than money. :)

it does, in the fields of exploitation sciences, also known as orthodox micro economics

Freedom and personal liberty drives innovation more than anything else.

Capitalism drives dependance tho. Not a socialist but capitalism is terrible as well. Lemmy is created by free software and open source software enthusiasts. This means that code is public, its for everyone, and anyone can use it woth or without modification.

Some people think this is communism

It can be both. You cannot argue that Lemmy is devoid of echo chambers.

Libertarians are not leftists.

Thanks to Big tech censorship, there are lots of people who are more anti-establishment right on the fediverse. Lots of fairly large instances. Some of them are real nasty pieces of work filled with folks dropping n bombs and swastikas, some of them are filled with some of the sweetest religious right folks you ever met in your life.

I think one of the biggest differences is that you don't have the Jerry Springer algorithm trying to match up a bunch of black people with a bunch of KKK members. Most far right instances don't defederate anyone, but many of the far left instances defederate the moment anyone looks at them funny so despite sharing a platform, typically there just isn't that much engagement between the two groups. In the middle of there are instances that are more than happy to federate with both as long as they aren't too big of jerks.

I mean, they're there to talk to... If you like jacking each other off... I don't.

Yes, I said that. Well technically I said Gab was. Truth was so forked I don't believe there was even an option to defederate them. They intended on a walled garden on their own.

Remember when their Dumbass-in-chief told them to get vaccinated and they booed him?

If you're old enough to remember when seat belt laws started/became more prevalent, you'll remember the right-leaning folks were all up in arms because "muh freedom to do what I want if it doesn't hurt anyone else" not realizing (or not caring about) the effect their choices had on their children. While center/left leaning people were just like "I already wear it because it's the smart thing to do".

More recent example: smoking bans

I don't use a mask currently, but if transmission levels of the flu or COVID were notably above average in my city I absolutely would wear one indoors. I think with really busy indoor places I'd just find something else entirely. I don't know how I was ever okay with level of crowd density.

Well, looking at elections worldwide, the far-right isn't as small as any extremist party should be...

state controlled company

Umm. Do you mean Tencent? They have a minority holding. The idea that China actively controls reddit is hard to reconcile with the amount of content that is critical of China. Or let me know what you mean, if not that.

has censorship from a party

What censorship, what party? Do you mean t_d being shut down? Because a better explanation of that would be that the majority of civilised people finally had enough of the nasty chumps in that hole, and good riddance to them. Or let me know what you mean, if not that.

When I say easily avoided I mean that I literally don't see them very often. Whereas new atheism seems to be seeping into the feed wierdly often.

This reminds of when people go to toxic subs on the old place, to shit on fat people or something. The end result of these low iq hateful subs is that you grow a base of angry, preaching anti intellectuals who think they're right and who are ripe for a right wıng bot army and bad actors to brainwash them, and ultimately afflict cancer on the space.

That said, I am on all too often.

There are countries other then the US.

New atheism cringe is different to being pro abortion, women's autonomy, and advancing marginalised people's rights. Completely different.

If you specifically identify with new atheism and the thinking of Dawkins and his brigade, I'd seriously reconsider.

Shut the fuck up Donny!

Why are you getting downvoted for perfectly answering the question?

Fascists already invading

Yea, but the founders are legit tankies who deny Chinese genocide...

Except for the part where they support fascism by openly defending the CCP and Chinese propaganda

you should seek help for your paranoid delusions

Watering down language is part of the right wing platform. I think they actually want to be seen as nazis so the term is less powerful. On the other side, they are calling everyone groomers to water down that language as well.

You are absolutely correct. Not all fascist are Nazis.

I agree so much.

I love discussing things with people who think differently than I do, that’s how we learn. We should be able to disagree in a civil way and exchange ideas and understand each other and eventually agree to disagree.

But we can’t.

Online it’s either one extreme or the other.

When is someone going to have the balls to create a place where people can argue and talk shit out? Or is that just too mature for the kids online these days who cannot handle a disagreement?

Maybe there should be online discussions that are age restricted. No teenagers, 30+ adults only. I wonder if that would be better or worse

The end result is that some sites have a lot of white nationalists and some sites have very little white nationalists.

Conservatives have nothing humane to bring to the table at this point, even if not proudly saddled with your average ethonostate enjoyers, the platform is nothing but a fight against progress during a time where crisis requires it.

As someone with similar views, I recently realised that I have the exact same tribalism and aggression, it's just targeted at people who have that mentality.

"I have no strong feelings one way or the other!"

Centrist doesnt always mean fence sitter... could just mean you agree with different points opposite of the eisle. Its almost like this whole political system wasnt intended to have a 2 party system or something...

Centrism is just being able to acknowledge that both parties have flaws. If you can’t find any issues with the party you support, that means that you got your political views from someone else instead of developing them yourself.

People on a left-leaning site don’t wanna hear it, but US Democrats aren’t perfect. Their policy on immigration is not sustainable. A de facto open border policy for refugees and people who cross illegally while people with college degrees can’t even get a work visa is absurd. As a nation we are not obligated to help others when many of our own citizens are struggling. Biden’s student debt relief plan would have caused tuition prices to increase at an even faster rate than before and guaranteed further debt relief executive orders would be required in the future. Plus it set an insane precedent that the president could authorize billions in spending without any congressional oversight. Democrats were frightengly authoritarian during COVID with stuff like vaccine mandates and online censorship. Things were labelled as “misinformation” and later accepted to be the truth… repeatedly, and people simply didn’t care. One day you could get banned from every social media site for saying COVID may have come from a lab, and the next day it was perfectly plausible. That stuff would have been unthinkable prior to 2020 and it’s just apparently normal today.

And then there is the stuff where they’re just hypocritical or simply providing lip service. Biden could remove marijuana’s schedule 1 classification today with an executive order, but he won’t. Instead his administion argued in court that marijuana users cannot be trusted owning firearms and the ATF is right to prohibit them from buying guns. Speaking of guns, Biden also signed an executive order declaring pistol braces to be stocks after years of the ATF saying they weren’t stocks, making millions of gun owners into felons, many who didn’t even know about the reclassification. A piece of plastic that was legal one day is now 10 years in federal prison. Democrats are guilty of putting corporate interests before individual interests, much like republicans. Democrats love to talk about how much they care about the environment and climate change, but would sooner pass a law saying people can’t set their AC below 80 degrees than dare invest money into nuclear power or stop subsidizing fossil fuels.

You don’t have to agree with everything I said here. But if you can’t find anything to criticize about your preferred party, or at least acknowledge that these are valid criticisms even if you disagree with them, you are part of the problem.

“Centrists” gets tons of hate online that’s unwarranted IMO. “Centrism” is just a label people like to put on independent voters because mocking them by acting like their political position can be summed up as “Democrats have some good points, but the Nazis do too” is an easy way to dismiss them, when the reality is that most centrists are voters who get no representation since we have a broken-ass two-party system. Admitting that the two-party system is bad doesn’t benefit you if you support one of those two parties. So here we are.

That has to be it. The Nazi bar story has been making the rounds too.

Yep!

I don't understand why you got downvoted. Openly discussing exactly how you're going to trespass on government property and hog tie prominent politicians would raise a lot of eyebrows quickly. The multiple coordinated attacks, stashes of firearms and ammunition, the bombs that were placed, and the scheduled armed reinforcements that we now know about through the various court cases all happened in protected echo chambers and private chats, not on the open web

The users create the content, the background ai decides which content to prioritize and promote to the front page, etc..

Which part of that is wrong?

Purely anecdotal, but I have two Facebook profiles. I'm extremely left leaning, especially in the fake one, yet both have their feeds blowing up with articles from conservative pages and groups about this "small town" song, Donald Trump, and Ron DeSantis. Oh, and Fox News articles too, up until I hid them.

I don't engage with any of those communities or anything even tangentially related to them. I have discussed all of those concepts in groups lately, though.

No, it's because of your scrolling speed, pauses, engagements, updoots, downdoots. Everything you do is taken into consideration to update your feed with more stuff that you are likely to engage with. That's all.

You're arguing that there's no algorithm that promotes content users interact with on Facebook, Instagram, Reddit, and so on? This has been proven repeatedly.

On Facebook, most people seem to think they get the feed in time-ordered manner, and that hasn't been true for a decade or more. For example, posts with pictures get promoted to be closer to the top of the feed. Crucially, posts with more interaction (replies, reactions, probably even reports) are also shown closer to the top of the feed, so the user is much more likely to see those when they load Facebook.

So, things that upset people will get a lot of interaction, and they show those at the top of the feeds, which generates even more interaction. So then the algorithms start looking for similar content that will generate the same type of interactions, to put that near the top of the feed, and next thing you know millions of people are worshiping the ground some idiotic politician walks on.

Sure, it's free will to respond, but the fact is that the users' feed is being curated, focused on whatever extreme thing generates reactions.

Just be take a short trip to any country outside the US and you'll realize that it is indeed the case: No left in the US.

You mentioned "results of elections all across the world". I see Benjamin Netanyahu, a facist who lost election after election now trying to take absolute control over his country. I see fascists in America trying to steal elections with 40% of the vote when the majority of the population doesn't want them. I see Lukashenko imprisoning his political rivals that appear to be supported by a majority of people. Conservatives don't believe in democracy. They don't care what people want. They just want the appearance of legitimacy that democracy provides. Creating fake supporters online is just one tool in the aresenal to create the impression of support where none actually exists, to make their fascism easier to pull off. You can think of astroturfing as reverse censorship, and it's just as bad.

Haven't come across that yet myself, but I did see lots of mentions of "nazis" to describe anything that's not left-wing.

No one wants to force you to get surgery. It’s possible you were just misunderstood since announcing you don’t want to transition is a completely random and pointless thing to do. I said that in my comment because you said you wanted the rules about homophobia and transphobia gone

...that's still just one instance.

Then good thing when they developed the platform they didn't make it a legal requirement for you to make an account and browse only Lemmygrad.

Then explain to the class what you do believe in. Give us 3 bullet points you'd want a candidate to also support.

I'll start as an example:

• I believe in complete and unequivocal abortion rights for women
• High speed rail should get more funding in the US, and car based transport (where rail could be a realistic replacement) should not be a cheap as it is
• Gerrymandering should be ended, and federal level elections should be taken over by a nonpartisan 50-50 committee to create new maps when local governments continue to submit unacceptable voting maps to intentionally stall so they can keep using the old gerrymandered map for the next elections

But there are people recently that have said they should get stuck into asylums.

Does existing not include participating in society?

Would you care to explain the policy changes right wing politicians are making then?

No one. NO ONE, think LGBT people shouldn’t be allowed to exist.

What I've heard IRL and what I've read online in less moderated spaces speaks to the contrary.

Tbf, they're a self-acclaimed smart person who doesn't want to get banned. At least they haven't gotten themselves banned yet, so can't find fault with that statement yet.

So when Michael Knowles said "Transgenderism must be eradicated" That was not "Trans people shouldn't exist"? Or when Italy decided to remove lesbian mothers from birth certificates, that is in fact not "LGBT people don't deserve the same things"?

The only point getting proven is you don't even know the party you're supporting. You said nothing I mentioned was the truth but that was just shit from the last few months. You're wildly off the mark here and it showing big time.

All of those things happened quite recently, you should keep up with the news if you're gonna comment about this stuff

The concept of enlightened centrism is nothing but a tool to drive people into extremism. How can you not see that?

I was going to say this, I'm glad you did instead.

People's opinions have changed a lot in the last 25 years. In the late 90s we got to see the last gasps of the real power of the religious right, in the early 2000s we got to see the dominance of the neoconservative right, in the late 2000s we got to see a massive shift leftward as a backlash against the religious right and the neoconservative right, then from the more chill hippie left wing we got to see the rise of the authoritarian woke left, and right now we're starting to see a backlash against that. It isn't always from different people, it's often from the same people changing their minds.

For quite some time I've thought of it like steering a car. If you steer hard to the left you're going to hit the ditch, if you steer hard to the right you're going to hit the ditch. Really what you need is to course correct at times just stay on the road. Sometimes you need to turn the wheel pretty hard in one direction or the other, other times you want to just nudge the wheel, and get other times you don't really want to move it at all.

Some regions voted hard for Clinton, then voted for bush, then voted for obama, then voted for trump, then voted for Biden. Such a thing might look completely inconsistent, but politics is a dynamic system where circumstances change, certain movements win and then we get to see the consequences of those movements, new movements form, and maybe old movements collapse.

This isn't a new idea. Hegelian dielectic proposes that in politics, a dominant idea (thesis) eventually leads to its opposite or challenge (antithesis), resulting in a resolution or synthesis of the conflicting ideas. Such an idea predates Marx, so it's been around for quite some time.

There are quite a number of examples historically of people completely changing their mind on a topic. The father of Canadian universal healthcare, Tommy Douglas, was a powerful advocate of eugenics when he was younger, and as he got older he realized that he made a terrible mistake and changed his mind. Solzhenitsyn apparently early on in his life believed in the Soviet project but once he learned of the gulags had his views fundamentally change. A lot of people like to pretend that national socialism died with Adolf Hitler in that bunker, but a lot of people believed in and supported national socialism in Germany, and those people continue to exist after world war 2, but I think it's safe to say that for the most part they learned the error of their ways. I'm sure there are lots of people who supported Putin internationally in the 90s who wish they could go back and change that decision now.

To me it's one of the deepest dangers of the purity spiraling we are seeing from the left right now. The fact of the matter is, as you kick more people out of the left, it becomes a less and less viable movement. As the left acts as if people become irredeemable the moment that their opinions are wrong, it becomes something that will inevitably fail.

I feel like the modern left would take a look at post war germany, and post to japan, and would just immediately start implementing genocide. "Nope, they were Nazis they are irredeemable they need to be pushed into the sea". The most amazing thing about the end of world war II is the incredible wisdom with which the world powers helped to rehabilitate Germany and Japan into some of the most powerful nations in the world today, but for the most part lacking in the qualities that set them off to war and atrocity way back when.

My local subreddit, a liberal city, has been banning a bunch of people after it got taken over by anti-choice conservatives who don't even live there.