I predict that as the blackout goes into full swing, Reddit is going to start taking over major subreddits from their mods to keep the site going. Things are going to become ugly very fast.
That post seems to be missing.
LimitedBrain 21 points 3 years ago
Iirc one of the mods said that the blackout was designed to prevent that. If it's 2 days, they likely won't bother taking them over. But an indefinite lock down they probably will. Even then though, that disruption in content will likely be too large to handle for most users
vanderbilt 18 points 3 years ago
If it’s only temporary then I as an admin would just wait it out, then go about my comically evil business. Reddit staff can’t realistically moderate the entire site, so the best way to get the message across is to stop moderating and let things burn until the bean counters can’t take the heat. Just my opinion, not that I want that to happen.
phillycodehound 7 points 3 years ago
I just say screw it and leave. But that's coming from more of a lurker on Reddit.
ericjmorey 10 points 3 years ago
I've been wondering the same thing.
scrubbles 32 points 3 years ago
We've all said for years that we've seen a slow decline but never knew when it was time to leave. Now all of a sudden here we have the giant sign saying "We've gone full corporate and don't care about the users anymore"
Austin-Philp 18 points 3 years ago
yeah this isn't such a huge thing on it's own (tough it is shitty), it's this combined with the years of other steady decline in a thousand small ways. Most people on reddit have agreed for some time now that the site has gone to shit, but there haven't really been viable alternatives or enough of a reason to pick up stakes and leave. Now there is, and hopefully enough people leave for good to Lemmy, Kbin, or others so that the change can stick
bear_delune 13 points 3 years ago
100% too gross for me
HrBingR 12 points 3 years ago
I kinda feel the same way. I've used the official Reddit app before, and I might've considered using a modded version of the official client, but I just feel gross even having a Reddit account after what they've done. Despite the fact that I use old.reddit as well, once Apollo is gone I reckon I'll delete my account.
setsneedtofeed 11 points 3 years ago
A lot of mucky feeling about it has been partitioned by Apollo for me. I specifically didn’t want to interact with online politics so I set up tons of keyword filters and blocked honestly a few thousand subreddits. I turned off awards and things. I could actually browse r/all and see cool and unique content. It felt really close to classic Reddit and it insulated me from a lot of the passing drama.
Drama around the thing I used to make that space for myself was inescapable. The entire saga, from the evasiveness on details in the initial post, to the insane pricing, to the blackmail accusations make it impossible not to see how rotten the leadership is at the very top. Even if all the API stuff gets reset (it won’t) I can’t feel good about Reddit anymore.
At least the Internet Historian video about this will be absolutely lit.
myk 82 points 3 years ago
I think this reply by spez has been badly overlooked:
“the LLM explosion put all Reddit data use at the forefront”.
What he means here is that earlier this year the board realised they were sitting on a massive gold mine, and their single focus right now is to exploit that as ruthlessly as possible. Jacking up the prices to access Reddit data to eye-watering levels is intended to fleece desperate AI bros, and this may well be the only revenue stream Reddit cares about in the future.
The fact that they have put no thought or care into managing the damage that this does to third party apps and to their own reputation with the Reddit user base tells me something else too. Why bother being a good custodian of a community website that has never made a profit, when you could live off selling access to one of the largest bodies of good quality human-generated text-based content out there?
Do they even care if Reddit goes to shit in the future? Maybe not, especially now we are beginning to realise how easy it is for careful bots to poison the conversations with AI-generated replies.
tango_octogono 77 points 3 years ago
In my opinion, we're reaching a moment where people are realizing that having lots of users doesn't matter that much if you can't monetize them. We took a lot of services for granted that maybe don't make any financial sense, which probably only survived because both the company and investors hoped that as long you could attract users, you could monetize them later.
I think that "later" is now.
Today I noticed that youtube has a new feature that unlocks more bitrate, but only for premium users (there's two 1080p options, one normal and another with more bitrate). I'm expecting that these social medias and other tech companies will try to monetize us further
rimlogger 37 points 3 years ago
Yeah exactly. I think what we need is decentralization and a move back to smaller hobbyist message boards - the costs of running such communities is more sustainable for individual owners and they are not so big that their owners would look to sell them out.
Powderhorn 20 points 3 years ago
That's certainly my hope for the federated model. Scope and scale have been issues since the advent of social media, which encouraged users to centralize all of their interactions in one spot. One hundred people shooting the shit on a specific interest will always be a better experience than orders of magnitude more people who know nothing of the context spouting off to feel good about themselves.
I found the quality of my Reddit interactions had gone so far downhill that I took a month off to start the year. I'd gotten sucked into the belief that upvotes == quality of what I was writing, which creates perverse motivations completely unrelated to being more informed about the world.
rimlogger 12 points 3 years ago
I mean upvotes are related to how a post is.
Anyways I don't expect places like Lemmy to fix the ills of social media - eventually running something like this will cost their owners too much money and something will have to give. Also moderation has always been an issue, even with the message boards of old.
Powderhorn 12 points 3 years ago
Agreed on the last point. That's part of what I was alluding to in terms of scope and scale. The smaller communities from early internet days (my experience overlaps with the time of BBSs but never included them) were pretty light on moderation. If you were a dick on IRC, you got booted. If you spouted off about politics in places that weren't about politics on phpBB, you were ignored then booted. These days, that sort of dynamic has moved to Discord, with people expecting that they should be able to say whatever they want, wherever they want everywhere else.
But I feel you're begging the question on funding. The ownership and profit model is the problem. User subscriptions can solve that funding issue in a vacuum; reality tends to be a bit messier, but I'm hoping we'll find that it works.
peteriskrisjanis 8 points 3 years ago
@rimlogger @tango_octogono there is good argument to be made that these "unified services" were created to monetize them in first place.
Said that, federation as a concept of new era of social networking is good foundation. Hope it sticks and we work out quirks and people learn how to use it.
cafuneandchill 4 points 3 years ago
That's what I've been thinking, as well -- if a message board (or any other service) doesn't reach that critical user mass where it's no longer sustainable, then there's less chances of it selling out
peteriskrisjanis 6 points 3 years ago
@tango_octogono @alyaza YouTube basically spams ads and begs to sign up for Premium.
UpperBroccoli 1 point 3 years ago
Thanks to adblock i never see those on PC. Wouldn't dream of opening u-toob on mobile though..
Parsnip8904 76 points 3 years ago
Something that seems to be missing: Someone is working on an API compatibility/translation layer to help in porting reddit apps to lemmy and have already got some basic features working in RedReader. The RedReader (opensource Android reddit client) dev has expressed some interest in this along with the user base.
https://v.redd.it/xzvh8kih8d4b1
veroxii 27 points 3 years ago
I've been tangentially involved in this. I think if any of the bigger instance operators were to contact derivator to see what can be done to host a gateway, that would really help.
Since it's a proxy you'd want a reliable entity to host it, who you trust with your credentials. And the only entities who currently make sense would be the lemmy instance owners themselves. Eg. if I'm already connecting to beehaw.org or lemmy.world, I would be okay to point apollo or baconreader to redditapi.beehaw.org.
See here for a list of how people can help: https://github.com/...
Parsnip8904 9 points 3 years ago
That is awesome :) Thank you for chipping in. I wasn't aware it was this far along already!
cafuneandchill 15 points 3 years ago
I've been enjoying using RedReader so far, and I'd love to see it switch to Lemmy instances
Parsnip8904 10 points 3 years ago
Me too. The app has a classic feel to it that isn't replicated by other apps.
Parsnip8904 1 point 3 years ago
Exactly! My favourite is swipe to vote up/down!
thepenis_mightier 1 point 3 years ago
I'd really like to see this happen for RiF. Not likely, but one can dream...
tango_octogono 72 points 3 years ago
Sharing this because it should be shared
doctorzeromd 65 points 3 years ago
I've been getting used to lemmy for the last couple days, going back and forth between here and reddit and following what's going on, and I think I just realized something that I hadn't been able to put into words.
The lemmy community feels responsive and fun to talk to, and I think that's because the people who are coming here from reddit are the people who are motivated to communicate, and are people who care about the topics in each community. That's pretty cool.
roi 50 points 3 years ago
Reddit isn't going back. Even if they did I'm sure they just convinced multiple users to not go back. I hope the blackout and tons of users moving will have a big enough impact to devalue Reddit even if somewhat.
Hamartiogonic 13 points 3 years ago
If they choose to lower the API price after all the 3rd party apps have already been disconnected for a day or two, it’s already too late. At that point the damage is done and there’s no going back
spicyjimmy87762 8 points 3 years ago
I really hope not. Switching to a new platform has made me realize how much I wasn’t being social on a social media site. Because of all the toxicity I was only going to a few subreddits. I’ve already created my first community here in Lemmy and I’m commenting and engaging again.
hi_im_catherine 2 points 3 years ago
Yeah I think this is going to be the event that finally causes a critical mass exodus. I mean, digg tried to keep going after the migration to reddit, but it was never the same again. Reddit is dead, it's only a matter of time until it's a called.
Kissaki 21 points 3 years ago
Question:
How do you address the concerns of users who feel that Reddit has become increasingly profit-driven and less focused on community engagement?
We’ll continue to be profit-driven until profits arrive. Unlike some of the 3P apps, we are not profitable.
This is where I lost all hope.
There'd be all kinds of better ways to go about making profit / becoming financially sustainable. This is blatant ignorance and mismanagement, without hearing or seeing anything. Complete mismanagement.
setsneedtofeed 5 points 3 years ago
That comment had real “The beatings will continue until morale improves.”
BigUwU 5 points 3 years ago
I’m doubtful because I feel like the business goons did the math, found the expected profit of killing 3rd party apps and taking the backlash was higher than keeping the status quo, and have committed to the more profitable option.
dirtmayor 57 points 3 years ago
TechCrunch: Reddit CEO doubles down on attack on Apollo developer in drama-filled AMA
Annies_Boobs 34 points 3 years ago
I’m glad at least one site is taking off the kid gloves with the title.
Luvs2Spuj 55 points 3 years ago
There was a response on the AMA where u/spez said "Reddit would always be profit driven and currently does not make a profit. Unlike TP apps"
You can no longer see this on the Reddit app, it is obscured in someway. Perhaps because of the potential impact for the IPO?
misguidedfunk 9 points 3 years ago
I think at point it’s the sole goal of Reddit to pump their ad revenue numbers until the IPO.
setsneedtofeed 20 points 3 years ago
Hilarious I can still see it on Apollo. I did notice while refreshing on spez’s comments that on that particular comment his name changed from red (normal admin color) to black, and then a few minutes later red again. I don’t know what it means, but it smells.
I also noticed the time posted got fuckity on that comment. I’m looking at comments sorted newest on top but the time of that comment is out of order
sydneybrokeit 26 points 3 years ago
He just admitted, just as they're trying to IPO, that they're still not profitable. If these third party apps that make up a fraction of their users -- their most engaged, active users, by the way -- are the difference between profit and loss, they need a better model.
BlackCoffee 23 points 3 years ago
If it is true than he literally shot himself in the foot.
Just like you said if it is true that the "1-3%" of the users that use 3rd party apps (by spez his word) can actually provide a profit for the 3rd party apps and the 90+% that uses official reddit channels still cannot... then they have a very big problem.
I wouldn't even be surprised though. His whole demeanor reeks of jealousy and contempt.
The fact that a 3rd party app was actually featured on the Apple event multiple times and name dropped multiple times as "the" way to use reddit, has to absolutely sting as hell.
Edit; experiencing some lag ;)
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millionsofplayers 7 points 3 years ago
do you have a direct link to this one
Wilshire 10 points 3 years ago
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Valliac 53 points 3 years ago
While tangentially related, if this shouldnt be here, let me know.
Reddit also appears to be experimenting with disabling mobile web access to circumvent ads.
overlordror 26 points 3 years ago
They really want to cram those hegetsus ads down people's throats. I hope everyone migrates away to different options. Leave them holding turds.
FistfulOfBottlecaps 4 points 3 years ago
Reddit confirmed for being into gaping Jesus.
noodlejetski 5 points 3 years ago
oh for fuck's sake.
argv_minus_one 17 points 3 years ago
I'm not sure if there's a SelfAwarewolves community somewhere in the Fediverse, but if there is, that belongs there.
mobiuscoffee 6 points 3 years ago
If Yishan is on twitter I hope he responds too
FutureProject 17 points 3 years ago
I don't get what his angle is. Is it just dumb ego or am I missing something?
Thrashy 20 points 3 years ago
Not sure what his responses are going to do for investors' confidence, given that they mostly show a complete lack of understanding of his userbase, and the reaction to them implies that he's trying to sell them damaged goods.
I mean, I might have accepted a response along the lines of "We're very sorry that we slandered the dev of the most popular third party app for our service, tensions have been running high of late and we're all not at our best right now. Also, bottom line is that running Reddit is ruinously expensive and we desperately need to monetize users somehow, and this seemed like a viable option at the time."
Instead it's all doubling down on everything, not giving any ground. They want those Elon Twitter API dollars (to the extent that anybody is actually paying those!) and they're done with treating their users as anything other than content generation for LLM model training.
Stormyfemme 10 points 3 years ago
Again anything public facing is a lie. The rich investment firms know that it's designed just to try and placate an unruly userbase. Now if something comes of it? Then they'll care. If the blackout happens I wouldn't be shocked if there's wholesale usurpation of the mod teams to reopen the big ones.
e: typo
DJDarren 7 points 3 years ago
I think the way I see it is that the vast majority of Reddit users have no idea that any of this is going on, and wouldn’t care if they did.
So from Corporate’s perspective, all they have to do is deal with a few weeks of whining and teeth gnashing, before everything calms down again and they can get on with whoring Reddit out.
Ultimately they’ll end up back in the black again, and making enough money from the IPO to not give the tiniest rats ass about any of this. They’ll sail off into the sunset on a fleet of expensive yachts, and never give Reddit another thought.
Stormyfemme 11 points 3 years ago
It's all corpspeak. It means nothing except to lie and gaslight users into staying so he can cash out.
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Radicalized 11 points 3 years ago
Pao was used by design to piss people off. They made her CEO and had her implement on the changes they knew would be unpopular with the community, then “fired” her, complete with her own golden parachute.
makingStuffForFun 16 points 3 years ago
It's bizarre to read his comment on that. It's either psychopath behaviour, or... I just don't know. I'm not a psychologist. It is worrying though, to see a human in charge of a social company act like that. He should probably be removed by some legal means just for that comment alone.
crank 12 points 3 years ago
I do not know much details about the internal power structures of a company like reddit, but it seems like this guy seems to be a real liability at the moment. I wonder why he is being allowed to go around doing this.
Maybe they are giving him enough rope to hang himself so he can be removed from his position in a few days. Firing a disliked manager is a common union busting tactic. If he can be made into the centre of gravity for all the ire, canning him and making some small backtrack could have a lot of people reconsidering leaving reddit.
Or maybe there truly is no plan....
Lemmington 4 points 3 years ago
Wouldn't be the first time they've done that
UpperBroccoli 4 points 3 years ago
He is one of the founders and likely holds a big amount of shares.
ArtVandelay 15 points 3 years ago
classic bully behavior
monsterlynn 48 points 3 years ago
I just don't get how a site based on freely produced content thst employs volunteer mods can actually monetise.
That part just gets me. The site has nothing without the users and the users have nothing without the mods.
FriendlyFusion 24 points 3 years ago
They’re taking us all for granted. They are going to embarrass themselves if they go public
argv_minus_one 4 points 3 years ago
Hopefully my old popcorn machine still works. I'm going to need it.
yyyesss 17 points 3 years ago
The thing is, they have operating costs. I'm sure it's a boatload of money as well, given the size and scope of Reddit. Almost all startups run at a loss. And then continue to do so long past when they're a "startup". The money they "make" is from rounds of investors who believe they will find a way to make money in the future. Eventually investors get restless and demand that they find a way to monetize so they can recoup. Without those investors money, the site will come crashing as soon as they miss some critical payments for stuff that keep the site up. I'm absolutely sure that's what we're seeing. I think either way, its time has come.
Pinch the users to try to keep it alive for a little bit more. Don't pinch the users and it dies in a grinding halt when they miss some key payments.
DannySpud 13 points 3 years ago
There used to be a daily progress bar on the front page of Reddit to show if the sales of Reddit Gold that day were enough to pay for that day's worth of server usage. I recall it usually hitting over 100%.
maegul 12 points 3 years ago
So realistically, what would a sustainable business model be for something like Reddit?
Something like lemmy or a fediverse platform is going to rely on donations and community support. In the case of mastodon, for example, it’s been shown to work well enough for sustainable operations. For those willing to work on something worthwhile for lower salary, it is potentially a great gig. In a commercial context though, it’s basically a subscription based business model.
If we’re to recover from this ad driven data tracking economy, subscriptions seem like a healthy thing for businesses to adopt.
Reddit may have already signed their deals with the devil. But generally, the point of the fediverse is to escape this corporate manipulation of our basic communications in the internet, and it’s still interesting to ask what profitable but sustainable operations can look like.
TeaEarlGrayHot 5 points 3 years ago
I think that federation will help Lemmy a ton--there will be a lot of small, cheap servers rather than a single extremely expensive one!
maegul 6 points 3 years ago
Possibly. I’m not sure how true it is that the fediverse necessarily leads to more efficient computing needs per user. I’d bet it’s the opposite.
But, as you perhaps allude to, there are other factors. For those who only want niche smaller communities, they can enjoy a more stripped down experience without needing speedy and beefy servers. Similarly, the platforms here are probably slimmer and not bloated with features that are trying to engage and monetise.
The major factor, IMO, is ownership. Admins literally own their servers. And should have a much closer and codependent relationship with the users in their servers, except in the case of large instances which become different beasts. Additionally, users have much more choice and mobility on the fediverse. All of which means admins/moderators and users have more at stake in their relationship. More ownership over their platform/instance. And therefore actually have a reason to donate and contribute and help out.
Sinfaen 4 points 3 years ago
The interesting thing for me is that the federated system allows for a potentially huge variety of business models, and we'll get to see what works and doesn't. Whereas reddit has to stick with just one
toothpaste_sandwich 6 points 3 years ago
We don't know if that's the case, though...
toothpaste_sandwich 4 points 3 years ago
Still, if they'd only communicate this and then use it as a reason for some other strategies for making money (without killing all user choice i.e. 3rd party apps), that would be a much more sympathetic way of approaching the issue.
keropoktasen 1 point 3 years ago
They can always work together with platform developers to make profits. Yet they're killing the very platform that bring traffics to the site. I can only see greediness here.
Hamartiogonic 8 points 3 years ago
It’s because of the contract every user has with Reddit. It’s that legal document nobody ever reads.
argv_minus_one 16 points 3 years ago
That legal document isn't worth the pixels it's drawn on. As soon as the moderators leave Reddit en masse, spammers move in, Reddit goes belly up, and the contract won't change that in the slightest.
The contract's entire validity with moderators is questionable, by the way, seeing as how there isn't any meaningful consideration. Subreddit moderators contribute to Reddit and receive essentially nothing in exchange. For ordinary users, one could argue that you agree to do the things in the contract in exchange for access to and participation in all the content and community on Reddit, but that argument doesn't work for moderators.
myk 47 points 3 years ago
The active mod team of r/videos (nearly 27M subscribers) has agreed that their shutdown will now be permanent. https://reddit.com/...
In a tildes post (I’m riding a lot of horses right now) one of the mods said:
I know this is likely a symbolic gesture because I'm fairly confident reddit will just kick us out and bring the subreddit back up, but after being on the mod team for over a decade its going to be interesting to see how things even function if they decide to take that route.
[Edit: just seen that’s there’s a top level post on this too]
makingStuffForFun 53 points 3 years ago
The way that guy gaslit the Appolo dev, and doubles down that the Appolo dev is the bad guy. Even though the recording is clear that the reddit ceo is straight up lying. Imaging working with, or having to interact with someone who so easily lies like that. Shameless
AbelianGrape 22 points 3 years ago
To their credit, there were other admins too!
Collectively, they answered responded to a whopping additional 5 comments!
I may miss the community, but I definitely won't miss reddit.
Parsnip8904 17 points 3 years ago
It is hilarious to see this happening. Option A, he could have just shut up, released a press statement and waited till this blew over, he didn't do that. Option B would have been to do an AMA, engage with people and say nice but meaningless things to placate people and do whatever he wants in private, he didn't do that either.
Instead he choses to host an AMA, copy pastes canned responses, edits his comment when someone caught it, ditches the canned response when a question is asked about the Apollo thing and doubles down, and finally leaves after answering 14 questions.
You really can't make this shit up 🤣
charlytune 6 points 3 years ago
Did they ever publish the starting time, or did it just start? It seemed to have happened while I was asleep. Not that I'd have stayed up for it ha.
makingStuffForFun 44 points 3 years ago
I love how the AMA has 0 points. You down vote it and it comes back to 0. No manipulation there reddit. Just that alone shows what a disgrace that company is.
Skyhighatrist 46 points 3 years ago
I don't think posts on reddit ever actually show less than 0 points no matter how many downvotes they get. Comments do, but posts always bottom out at 0 as far as I know.
makingStuffForFun 9 points 3 years ago
Ahhh. What about that ea post? Didn't it have some crazy negative number? Or was that just the comment? Probably the comment
SpookyBogMonster 12 points 3 years ago
That was a specific comment
uplink 7 points 3 years ago
On Reddit, comments can show negative scores, but posts will never show a score lower than zero. It used to be possible to determine how negative a post score really was, but that hasn't been possible for some time now.
Edit: I guess that doesn't really answer your question. I read too fast, whoops.
setsneedtofeed 7 points 3 years ago
When the individual up and downvote counts on comments and threads went away, that was a bad sign. Back in the old days you might see a comment with a -100 total score, but you could also see it had 400 upvotes and 500 downvotes, which made it a lot more clear it was a controversial but perhaps not wholly worthless comment. Modern reddit design just shows the final number, which I think capitalizes on internet hivemind behavior.
setsneedtofeed 25 points 3 years ago
That's been a thing for a long time. Threads can not go into negatives. You can only see the upvote percentage.
You aren't the first person I've seen confused about that, which I think indicates a big problem with reddit's modern design. Back in the old days on every thread and comment you could see both how many up and down votes it got, not just the total number. It was cleaner and more transparent. Over time, reddit has increasingly obfuscated how all the magic numbers work.
Limeade 16 points 3 years ago
Before they changed what numbers they showed, there were karma farmers that specifically posted dumb stuff to rack up the most negative karma score they could. Over time Reddit has done a fair bit of tweaking of what numbers are shown and setting caps or floors in some places.
This isn't special behavior, all posts have a floor of 0. Only comments can have negative scores.
Debs 21 points 3 years ago
Yeah. I think this is pretty much the accepted narrative. Kill the 3P apps -> Consolidate the user base -> Serve everyone adds -> Hopefully turn a profit -> Go public or sell the company -> Founders/Investors cash out and profit.
The collateral damage is that they risk killing the culture that makes Reddit a place people want to congregate.
Dandroid 0 points 3 years ago
It absolutely is. It's short term revenue so they can make the value of the company seem higher than it is. Because once they IPO or sell or whatever they decide to do, it becomes someone else's problem.
I worked for a small company that was in sell mode for four years. I saw these kinds of decisions made alllll the time. Projects that had too long of a timeframe before launch were cancelled so those employees could work on something that made money now. When projects were completed, all the engineers on the project were laid off. Big layoffs in general. Stock options instead of salary raises
Ultimately, it worked out for those of us that made it to the end. We sold and the new company bought all of our stock options from us. But the leadership of the company absolutely sacrificed putting ourselves in a good position for longer term success for short term profits. Didn't matter to me. I got paid and then I quit because the new company was ass.
Humanoid 35 points 3 years ago
I'm hanging on to my account until June 30th—so I can say a bittersweet goodbye to Reddit is Fun—and then I'm deleting it; Reddit is only going to get worse from here, and I don't want to be around to see it. I'm grateful that this mess has driven so many of us to seek out kinder, more thoughtful communities, and I hope said communities can retain their exceptional cultures as the Reddit exodus continues to escalate.
dogmuffins 11 points 3 years ago
This is my take. Reddit has been on a trajectory towards enshittification for a long while. The API thing has created a focal point where a lot of people are passed off at the same time.
Spacebar 4 points 3 years ago
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NightAuthor 14 points 3 years ago
Digital gentrification is an interesting term. But yeah, TPA users have to be a particular type of users. Like power users, or just generally more discerning people who don't want to use a crap interface. And they're just happy to be rid of us it seems.
Edit: Why does it say "bot account" next to my name?
NightAuthor 7 points 3 years ago
Guess I skimmed through the settings page too fast. Thanks.
argv_minus_one 2 points 3 years ago
That's exactly what a bot would say.
Valliac 32 points 3 years ago
Sync for Reddit is also shutting down on June 30th.
ReddPlanet also announced closure on June 30th.
Reddit creates API exemption for noncommercial accessibility apps (Ehhhh, grain of salt on this one. I'm getting a lot of conflicting reports.)
Relay is also out.
EDITS: fixed Sync names, added ReddPlanet. Will keep adding as I see them.
Carcel 32 points 3 years ago
RedReader has been granted a non-commercial accessibility exemption and will not shut down. QuantumBadger is planning long term changes to support Lemmy, HackerNews, and Tild.es alongside Reddit in the same app.
Lowbird 22 points 3 years ago
That is fantastic news.
I've already deleted my reddit account, but I use RedReader primarily as a "look, don't touch" way to view reddit anyways. RedReader allows you to customize so much that you can turn off all the voting buttons and the reply buttons, so you just get a nice minimalist reading experience, don't have the constant tiny mental overhead of voting, and don't risk getting tempted into impulsively wasting your time (and supporting reddit) writing comments/posts.
Edit: being able to use RedReader for Lemmy would be wonderful, but it looks like that might be a thing in the distant future, perhaps, but not the near future.
TopHat 28 points 3 years ago
It's simply disappointing to see the disaster for the AMA. Saddens me to see Reddit go down like this. At least we got the Lemmy-proxy being a community project. Would love to still use Infinity as my main "reddit" browsing app, after all.
mustyOrange 20 points 3 years ago
/r/traa's main mod said they and the subreddits gone for good after this since they're tools won't be there
Limeade 4 points 3 years ago
I've learned so much about weather through r/TropicalWeather over the years so I hope they set up shop out here somewhere.
Did a little searching and found their post on r/ModCoord, they are on Discord now for anyone else who is wondering. https://www.reddit.com/...
fred 14 points 3 years ago
Reddit admins will likely just boot the mods and takeover the subreddits. Especially the bigger ones. Heck they may even do that to ones that blackout at all, or past the 14th.
They have threatened and done similar to things like firearm subreddits.
Lemmington 6 points 3 years ago
I wonder how well they would keep up with spam
fred 3 points 3 years ago
Couldn't really tell you. I haven't done any moderation in many years. And have no knowledge of how their DB system or backups are structured. But make no mistake, Reddit has admin rights and the ability to takeover any sub if they don't feel the mods are doing a good job, and there's been precedence for such action, either due to mod abusing and shuttering a sub, or just not engaging at all or even just going afk and abandoning a sub.
I dont think Mods can outright delete comments or submissions, only hide them. Only a user can overwrite and delete their comments. So....unless basically all users started scrubbing comments it would be hard i would guess. And i wouldnt be shocked if they had replicas or DB backups crawled at the page/submission level to roll back off of to protect such an act. Heck Pushshift was doing about that. I really detested that guy for how he handled privacy. Even had people sign up to exemptions and just straight ignored specific requests to have their user pages excluded from crawling.
noob_dragon 25 points 3 years ago
Wow, RedReader somehow managed to get spared due to its accessibility features. Was not on my bingo card at all. I guess somehow I can still manage to use Reddit completely ad free, but who knows for how long. Even better, the RedReader dev might have plans to integrate Lemmy into it.
tyler 26 points 3 years ago
From how the AMA went, it sure seems that way. Funny how they just agreed to fuck over Apollo, but are working with the other apps, especially after blatantly lying about the situation. What a mess.
mortuum 3 points 3 years ago
They will only work with apps that are "non-commercial", AKA free labour. There's no way an app survives without some kind of monetisation. It's just a money sink then. It's honestly incredible how shitty they're being.
RomanRoy 24 points 3 years ago
Coming from Joey for Reddit. They pulled a survey today for its users asking 2 questions: if we'd be willing to pay and how much and for some suggestion for the future of the app.
I said no and suggested them to think about developing an app for Lemmy.
Joey is great. Looks like it lacks tools for modding, but I couldn't care less. It has everything else, is beautiful and customizable.
Such a shame to see it sinking because of Reddit's bullshit.
I really hope we go forward with this migration.
GhostMagician 14 points 3 years ago
Seeing the increased activity since I signed up has been cool to see. While places like this may never get as big as reddit the userbase is starting to grow enough where I would definitely love third party apps and Reddit Enhancement suite equivalents to pop up.
CheshireSnake 8 points 3 years ago
So this is where you fellow Joey users have been hiding in. I swear out of all the TPA and API subs/posts it always seemed like I was the only Joey user.
About the survey, I did say I was willing to go $4/mo max. I wanted to support the dev as it has been my go-to app for years.
Robust_Mirror 8 points 3 years ago
I understand supporting devs, I bought RIF years ago, but personally I couldn't imagine paying a monthly fee just to use reddit, regardless of who gets the money.
thesilencenoise 7 points 3 years ago
Also coming from Joey. I miss the swipe gestures and many of the other features but hopefully that'll be coming soon. More voices should hopefully mean more interested parties and supporters.
temporal_spider 4 points 3 years ago
I'm another Joey user, and I said I would be willing to pay around $3/month, and yes, I'd love to see a Joey for Lemmy. I spend hours every day on Joey (or I did,) so it seems only fair to support that.
dirtmayor 23 points 3 years ago
Hacker News: Reddit bans subreddit detailing how to move to competitor Kbin
KbinMigration Subreddit URL: https://old.reddit.com/r/KbinMigration
Hacker News Comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36268458
Hyperz 23 points 3 years ago
Man that whole situation really sucks. Reddit was by far my most visited site before they decided to light the house on fire. On mobile I always used Boost because the official app is terrible and (at least the last time I looked at it) would drain my battery like it was nothing even when the app was closed. RIP. At least we've got Lemmy. I just wish these 3rd party apps would take their users to the fediverse instead of shutting down entirely. As a developer it really sucks when you have to shut down a project you've put so much work into.
cousinofjah 2 points 3 years ago
@Rhabuko @alyaza I just spent the past day or so downloading my saved reddit links and feeding them into archivebox (with the links all changed to old.reddit) so I have access to them in perpetuity.
V4uban 20 points 3 years ago
BBC coverage: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-65855608
kherge 23 points 3 years ago
I wish they included Selig's follow up on disproving the app's supposed inefficiency.
dirtmayor 20 points 3 years ago
r/iPhone mods 6 hours ago: In less than 24 hours, /r/iPhone will be going private indefinitely.
freshhotbiscuits 20 points 3 years ago
The AMA with u/spez has started. Get your popcorn ready. It’s already been a good start
freshhotbiscuits 7 points 3 years ago
I don’t think so…
cactusupyourbutt 4 points 3 years ago
on the post? says 0 for me
millionsofplayers 2 points 3 years ago
i think it's disabled for most of them
TheBurlapBandit 19 points 3 years ago
Spamming /r/LemmyMigration on all his answers. Doing my part lol
IntheTreetop 12 points 3 years ago
Spamming and being annoying won't really help anything. If anything it could push people away. I'd suggest being a bit more tactful about where you try and help push more people here.
TheBurlapBandit 7 points 3 years ago
All my comments are upvoted lol. You're the one who assumed I was being annoying.
phillycodehound 13 points 3 years ago
I feel bad no supporting them (Joey) but I rather see Joey support the Lemmy/ActivityPub protocol
thesilencenoise 3 points 3 years ago
I wish people would do this with more platforms in general. However I did pay for the original paid Joey app and would support them if Reddit wasn't going down the typical enshittification path.
ulu_mulu 18 points 3 years ago
TechCrunch: Reddit CEO doubles down on attack on Apollo developer in drama-filled AMA
rimlogger 18 points 3 years ago
Hello. While what Reddit is doing isn't great, it's the reality of running a site that's now owned by venture capital to make some kind of economic return for its owners. Running a site like that isn't free, and advertising dollars alone are probably not enough to generate the sort of return that its owners are looking for (or even pay for the its costs).
The core issue is twofold: Big Tech has devalued online services to the point where users are inured to not paying for them, and because of this inurement, most users are unwilling to pay for most online services if they don't seem to be offering a value add. Gaming services like Steam have managed to get their users to pay but that's because they are offering a service that's generally superior to piracy, such as immediate downloads, achievements, and other online services. But no one is ever going to pay to use a message board, and I doubt gimmicks like Reddit Gold bring in much money.
Perhaps the future is found in the past - people migrating back to self-hosted message boards - there used to be thousands of these back in the 1990s and 2000s. Some of them were run as small businesses, others were run as hobbyist projects by their owners. But I doubt there's going to be a mass exodus, and unfortunately, centralization has increasingly become the norm for the Internet.
ApathyMoose 26 points 3 years ago
The thing about it is its not like people were against paying. these apps are willing to pay. I mean, read the Apollo Devs post if you havnt. He has audio recordings and transcripts
They are just pricing out third-party apps because they dont want them around. The problem is noone is going to sign up for Reddit Gold. They will just use old.reddit.com with a pop up blocker on the desktop. They wont make ad income from them either.
gnoop 9 points 3 years ago
I'm going to say that Big Tech hasn't devalued online services. They've always been devalued. In the days of BBSes, most had both paid and free options. The free users might get bumped when the board was busy but that was it. You were often still able to dial in at all times and do everything on the board.
Honestly, that concept just carried forward. Usenet access was simply part of your internet access payment to your ISP. Free to join. You just needed a free NTP app. Many web forums were the same - completely free to use and maybe there were some ads, donations, or whatnot to help fund the site. Some even used forums as loss leaders - Harmony Central had their main page along with forums. Ditto other sites like Something Awful and Bodybuilding.com.
Right now the short-term is a mix. The reality is that the major jumps have been to Discord, not other forums, or so it seems. Subreddits already have their own Discord servers in many cases and there's a load of them on top of that. Beyond that, it seems a mixed bag of people trying to find a new home. Talks have varied outside of the Lemmy / Tildes mentions; Fark, Hacker News, City-Data, and various smaller forums.
Seems we'll be split on to at least a few if not many disparate forums and sites to fill various needs.
gnoop 4 points 3 years ago
As someone else said, Reddit will die a death of a thousand cuts. The big hits will be the 3rd party apps loss followed by the expected old.reddit.com loss. That said, the majority of users don't use either of those. I'm seeing some general large site / social media fatigue combined with a lot of mentions of Discord. Given they've even got forum channels now, it seems Discord may be one of a few new smaller web forum options like we had in the late early 2000s with the start of software like vBulletin and phpBB. It's not looking like the Digg to Reddit migration. It's more the Usenet to web forums migration. Reddit is the Usenet 2.0. We're now scattering and waiting for the Usenet 3.0 contenders before a new champion is crowned.
V4uban 7 points 3 years ago
undefined> Perhaps the future is found in the past - people migrating back to self-hosted message boards - there used to be thousands of these back in the 1990s and 2000s. Some of them were run as small businesses, others were run as hobbyist projects by their owners. But I doubt there’s going to be a mass exodus, and unfortunately, centralization has increasingly become the norm for the Internet.
I've been looking out for message board forums for some time after realizing that they really felt different from modern Reddit. The appeal is definitely there, and will probably convince at least a small percentage of Reddit's current user base (which would still mean thousands of users) to move to those pastures.
Treevan 10 points 3 years ago
Lucky that lemmy has that nostalgia covered - https://fedibb.ml/
Treevan 5 points 3 years ago
I hope it continues to be worked on.
I could see a resurgence of discussion and some real niche communities hiding behind that layout. Perhaps some themes to recreate other old forum styles too.
rimlogger 7 points 3 years ago
The issue is that a lot of them died when Reddit became mainstream. Go back to some of the ones still standing - the activity isn't what it used to be. You see a post every few days on some of them. Why would I post on such sites if no one is going to reply? Might as well post on Reddit lol, where I will get a response within an hour at least.
V4uban 3 points 3 years ago
Very true. I still visit one daily, but that's really the exception. To complete what we previously said, I guess that instead of 2000s message boards, people will gradually move to Lemmy instances, or other alternatives such as kb.bin. The experience is closer to Reddit, and allows for more conversation potential (threads vs chronological order)
rimlogger 5 points 3 years ago
IDK. I think Reddit will survive this controversy. Most people have really short memories. Lemmy's growing but still doesn't offer the level of activity that most users are looking for - people don't want to want hours or days with no replies to their post.
mobiuscoffee 4 points 3 years ago
Perhaps the future is found in the past - people migrating back to self-hosted message boards - there used to be thousands of these back in the 1990s and 2000s. Some of them were run as small businesses, others were run as hobbyist projects by their owners.
I kind of feel like lemmy combines both of these worlds. It is different but allows for people to self host their small communities while choosing to be a part of the larger network (or not).
Sam_uk 17 points 3 years ago
You can watch as subreddits go dark here https://reddark.untone.uk/
ApathyMoose 17 points 3 years ago
"First, thank you for all the years of dedication to Reddit. You’re amazing." - My favorite Mod post of the AMA
Alkalyon 25 points 3 years ago
If I read it correctly Christian(Apollo Dev) made ~$500.000 for this year by having 50.000 people get the $10 subscription. The problem is that now, since on the 6th month of the year he is forced to shut it down, he has to refund these people for the rest of the money(so ~$250.000).
From what I understand though, the problem is that Reddit doesn't want to lose revenue from 3rd party apps avoiding adds, so in this section, from Christian's own recording(which is legal in Canada) he mentions that Apollo is costing $20m/year and that's what Reddit is after.
Rentlar 26 points 3 years ago
Yep and Christian made a somewhat reasonable proposal: If Reddit truly believes Apollo users are costing Reddit $20M in activity a year, it can have my app for $10M which would only be a 6 months worth of liability.
kimli 10 points 3 years ago
At least, I understood it in some other way.
With some "back of the envelope" calculations (using Reddit provided revenue and user number) Reddit's revenue (not earnings) / user month is $0.12 , around $1.4 user/year
In the case of Apollo, the "intended" revenue per Apollo user would be $2.5 per user month, around $30 user /year
From the body of the post, search for the following header: Why do you say Reddit's pricing is "too high"? By what metric?
The $20 Million is what would cost to continue using the API with the intended price point.
Also, $500.000 year would be revenue, not earnings. As I understood, he's not a "solo" developer working in his basement. There's people and infraestructure to pay from that number (I don't know neither how many people nor how much costs "keeping the lights on", but anyway, I don't think those numbers are relevant)
My own opinion: Let's say Reddit's break even point is around the Apollo's intended cost / user. That would mean that with a revenue of $0.12 per month * user, Reddit would be losing around $800 million / month. That's close to $10.000 million / year. Even as a ballpark figure, I find it suspicious to say the least.
BTW: I've never used Apollo. RIF user from long long before they had to change the App name
QuiteYellow 9 points 3 years ago
If it was truly about Reddit not wanting to lose money from not serving ads on third party apps, they would serve ads via the API.
towerful 2 points 3 years ago
I'd love to link it, but there's so much content around this that I'll never be able to find it.
I'm sure it was mentioned by some app developers that they were asking for access to the ad API that Reddit uses in order to serve their ads in the 3rd party apps so they don't have to shutdown.
Also, asking after the proper GraphQL API access (instead of the older and less featured/efficient REST API) now that it's becoming paid access... And I'm sure that the answer was "it's not ready".
Klinkertinlegs 3 points 3 years ago
Wouldn’t Apple have taken 30% of that though?
Klinkertinlegs 1 point 3 years ago
So even if his other costs were half what Apple takes, it’s about 1/10 of what the api would cost him. Dang.
JackFromWisconsin 15 points 3 years ago
AskHistorians and uncertainty surrounding the future of API access:
Putting into layman's terms what reddit is deleting. Also the number of false promises by Big Reddit, it's just crazy.
t0fr 15 points 3 years ago
I read somewhere that the Infinity dev would just let us grab our own personal Reddit API keys and build the app from source.
If that is actually the case, we'd all individually be under the free limit. That is of course if Reddit gives out those API keys to everyone.
Obviously this solution would be challenging and the barrier to entry would be higher than just joining Lemmy or something. But it could be an option.
Ultra980 14 points 3 years ago
IMO the better thing to do would be to convert it into a Lemmy client. I heard someone is making a Lemmy API that works like reddit's, so maybe it could use that when it's ready?
Either way, I'm starting to work on my own Lemmy app written in React Native. If you have a name better than "ymmel" (reverse "lemmy"), please tell me.
ScherPegnau 8 points 3 years ago
How about Hymmel? Himmel stands for heaven in German, hinting at a safe space for the lost souls in these tiring times.
AbelianGrape 4 points 3 years ago
Either spez or FlyingLaserTurtle said this will be against the API's TOS.
Kichae 14 points 3 years ago
Money is the measure of success to a business. It's what they exist for, at least under capitalism.
They'll hold the very idea of community ransom. They'll do it in virtual spaces, and they'll do it in meatspaces. And they won't stop unless it's proven to be deeply unprofitable.
dirtmayor 15 points 3 years ago
The Verge: Reddit won’t budge on the API changes that are shutting down apps like Apollo
CheshireSnake 12 points 3 years ago
We were given a sort of a survey in the Joey app asking what's the max we're willing to pay monthly for a subscription. I haven't seen any post from the dev yet. But I'm pessimistic it'll continue since it seems from reddit comments that Joey users are in the minority. I doubt even a subscription fee for its users can save it.
x64 12 points 3 years ago
Incredibly sad to see corporate greed takeover. It's only a matter of time until they remove the old interface. I will definitely stop using Reddit altogether on mobile. It'll be quite hard for me to stop using it on desktop, but I might just give it all up on June 30th.
BobQuasit 12 points 3 years ago
My concern is that communities on Lemmy are fractured by instance. You CAN read or subscribe to communities on any instance, but communities with the same topics (or even the same names!) on different instances are in no way connected. For example, there can be a community called "Books" on every instance, but if you subscribe to one you will NOT see posts in any of the other Books communities on other instances. You'd have to go out, specifically find each one of them, and subscribe to them separately.
Not to mention communities with different names, but that cover the same essential topic. For example, I'm subscribed to the "Literature" community here. It's nice. But it's entirely disconnected from any of the "Books" communities on other instances. I'm not sure how that sort of fracturing could be addressed. I understand that there's a plan to eventually allow "MultiReddit" style aggregating, allowing users to group a number of communities into a single reading group, but that would only apply to what that individual user would read. No one else would have the benefit of seeing all the posts from those communities in a single group unless they individually recreated that collection.
What might work would be to bake in a set of standard all-instance communities which would automatically merge the content from all instances for those topics for all users. But I'm not sure that would work, since not all instances have to federate with all other instances.
setsneedtofeed 13 points 3 years ago
I don’t think of that as a negative. It’s a different structure than Reddit.
Each instance would be a community in the cultural sense. All of the Lemmy communities within that instance would be a place for primarily the same instance users to gather. Each instance having its own cultural identity. Decentralized.
Lowbird 13 points 3 years ago
I agree. On reddit, there are a bazillion different "gaming" subreddits that are only named different because that's the only way to have different communities around the same topic: r/gaming, r/games, r/truegaming, r/patientgamers, r/girlgamers, r/transgamers, r/gaymers, and so on.
Each of those communities has a different feel and different moderation and different priorities, and no way no how would I want r/gaming posts mixed in if I'm trying to browse r/transgamers, for example.
Similarly, I'm mostly sticking to Lemmy instances that disable the downvote button, because it makes for friendly places I think, and lowers the barrier to posting for socially anxious users.
I like the idea of there being a way for users, or for similar groups of instances that agree to it (like if beehaw and an instance with similar rules/community feel wanted to collaborate a bit), to set up a multi-lemmy 'all' community thing that shows posts across similar communities, but it should still be optional.
setsneedtofeed 7 points 3 years ago
I figure that a multi-Lemmy could be something set up by a user in an app, which would give maximum flexibility to individual users and reduce headaches of mods trying to set up shared spaces.
SeeJayEmm 8 points 3 years ago
There's pros and cons to both centralization and decentralization. I like the idea and the goal of decentralization and federation but you run into issues like this, that are counter-intuitive and will be a road block to broader acceptance. Especially with smaller communities.
I think having the option to aggregate those communities into one view could bridge that gap. Have it be optional. Heck, even allow users/servers to block specific communities if they want.
I like the idea of Lemmy but I don't like the idea of having to subscribe to 7,10,15 different versions of a topic of interest spread across 25 different servers. Let me sub to "Technology" and have a toggle to display "all Technology communities across federated servers".
setsneedtofeed 9 points 3 years ago
I’m of no doubt that apps will eventually allow users to manually create multi-Lemmys.
I just think we should kind of chill on trying to 1-for-1 replicate Reddit, or ask for all the features straight off. Reddit has been around for over a decade and the apps and ecosystem have matured a lot. Some of that takes time to happen, since internet communities drive sites so I’d rather give it a bit before making changes.
SeeJayEmm 2 points 3 years ago
I just think we should kind of chill on trying to 1-for-1 replicate Reddit
I don't think I want (or was asked for) a 1-to-1 replica of Reddit. Like I said, I get the pros of open source and federation. I'm just pointing out an immediately apparent pain point that I'd like to see be addressed at some point.
asexualchangeling 7 points 3 years ago
I like the idea of Lemmy but I don't like the idea of having to subscribe to 7,10,15 different versions of a topic of interest spread across 25 different servers. Let me sub to "Technology" and have a toggle to display "all Technology communities across federated servers".
Or maybe just have communities tag themselves, and make it so you can sub to tags? With the ability to add exceptions
ritswd 4 points 3 years ago
Agreed. The same thing needed some getting used to when I moved to Mastodon earlier this year, but eventually, you start thinking in “instances” without realizing. I don’t know if the general public will go through the same transition of getting used to the fediverse, but if they will (and I think it’d be a good thing if they do), then this kind of instance-based UX won’t be an intriguing novelty anymore.
Lowbird 8 points 3 years ago
Somebody pointed out that it's not dissimilar from the way email works, where someone with a gmail account can easily email someone with a yahoo account, and that everyone understands that well enough. It's presented a lot differently, so that regular users don't even have to think about it - if anything, they can just think of the snail mail metaphor to understand it - but maybe there's a way to simplify Lemmy onboarding too.
setsneedtofeed 5 points 3 years ago
I hope other instances give themselves mascots as Beehaw has done, and foster an internal sense of being a member of an instance rather than a generic Lemmy member. That is a future that seems promising.
knova 12 points 3 years ago
I suspect a multi-reddit type functionality will be developed at some point which could partially mitigate the concern.
But besides that, I think we’ll find sites develop around a common interest, and they will each be the “big player” for that topic. LemmyBooks.org for example (not a real instance AFAIK) could be the leading book themed instance; you could still grab their content even though your account is on LemmyMusic.com
fazo96 11 points 3 years ago
I guess multi-reddit style aggregations "supercommunities" could also be curated and subscribed to and maybe even nested. This would allow users to find a "technology" or "book" "supercommunity" that aggregates all communities with the same topic across many instances.
morrowind 11 points 3 years ago
Megathread? Why not just use !reddit@lemmy.ml ?
emeraldheart 4 points 3 years ago
By "Lemmy app" do you mean "Jerboa for Lemmy"? Because I don't see any other apps on the Samsung app store. Maybe the official one is only for iPhone?
phillycodehound 9 points 3 years ago
Just deleted 2 of my 3 (don't ask me wny I have 3 Reddit accounts, bc I don't know)
MasterBlaster 9 points 3 years ago
Looks like the Chinese "investor" is the Communist Party. The actions Reddit is taking are pretty much how they take down all the companies and citizens they target.
alyaza 26 points 3 years ago
Looks like the Chinese “investor” is the Communist Party.
can we get a citation on this--preferably before asserting it as fact, please? i'd like it if, on this site, we didn't just say things (especially if they sound in line with our priors) but actually substantiate them.
MasterBlaster 1 point 3 years ago
Not fact. It's my opinion based on the actions I see, and the fact things started to go down hill after the investors gave money. One of the big ones was Chinese.
We've seen how things go down when China is involved - loans to poor nations, Hong Kong, Taiwan, the disputed islands with Japan, Tibet, the Urghurs.
We've seen the various iterations of the "oops how did that key logger get in there?" discoveries (Lenovo, i'm looking at you), corporate espionage, Huawei telecommunications infrastructure being used to tap communicatons, etc..
Strict control of pretty much everything is the pattern, in which disinformation is easily dispensed and difficult to identify.
animist 8 points 3 years ago
I swear tankies and liberals are basically the same. Tankies blame the CIA for every single bad thing that has ever happened while liberals blame the CCP and the Russian government. SOMETIMES BUSINESS PEOPLE ARE JUST GREEDY AND SOMETIMES AMERICANS ARE JUST SHITTY, there doesn't need to be a secret cabal behind everything
alyaza 12 points 3 years ago
SOMETIMES BUSINESS PEOPLE ARE JUST GREEDY AND SOMETIMES AMERICANS ARE JUST SHITTY, there doesn’t need to be a secret cabal behind everything
while i'll wait for the source i asked for and gladly correct this if i'm presuming incorrectly, i'd bet the odds are high that "CCP" is just being used as a shorthand/stand-in for a company like TenCent, because that happens a lot in discussions about China and it's really goofy.
FistfulOfBottlecaps 4 points 3 years ago
In the interest of fairness, isn't the difference between TenCent and the Chinese government basically just paperwork? I've always heard (anecdotally) that they work extremely close with the CCP.
alyaza 2 points 3 years ago
In the interest of fairness, isn’t the difference between TenCent and the Chinese government basically just paperwork? I’ve always heard (anecdotally) that they work extremely close with the CCP.
i don't know if i'd go that far? with Tencent specifically it is inarguable they have worked with the Chinese government on some things and that's not nothing. but Tencent is still an independent company, and governments and corporations/their shareholders frequently don't have the same interests at heart, so it's hard to say where to draw the line here.
i think my position would be: i don't think it's useful to assert everything they do is intended to advance what China wants, especially in the absence of anything indicating that. i also don't know how useful it is to assume they're just a front for China--certainly i don't think that the people most vocal about this consistently apply that concern to other countries like Saudi Arabia who use companies to advance their state interests all the time.
conversely, i think it's ridiculous to confidently assert Tencent have never, or don't ever, get influenced by interests China has, or that Chinese state officials aren't capable at least theoretically of using the company to advance state interests. that stuff happens here, where ostensibly our system exists to prevent that kind of collaboration (this is basically what the "military-industrial complex" is, for example).
argv_minus_one 3 points 3 years ago
There's no need to hypothesize about a shadowy government conspiracy when the situation is adequately explained by simple desperation for money. Spez outright said that Reddit is losing money and has always been losing money, and that he needs to make it stop losing money, presumably because Reddit's investors are tired of giving him money and want to see some return on their investment.
Fearofthefamiliar 2 points 3 years ago
Are you saying the ccp attacks people by messing up their third party apps? Or by giving bad AMAs?
coffeeisnotlatte 6 points 3 years ago
The end of an era, I used Apollo for years :(
dirtmayor 5 points 3 years ago
The Verge: Reddit’s users and moderators are pissed at its CEO
GhostMagician 5 points 3 years ago
Any recommendations for good tools to use to overwrite reddit comments and delete them in bulk?
fred 7 points 3 years ago
I made a short comment on how to do it here
utopia_dig 3 points 3 years ago
I used Redact for Android today. Worked fine.
Intrepid_Corvid 5 points 3 years ago
Don't forget Relay is shutting down too
tauonite 3 points 3 years ago
I know that there's https://reddark.untone.uk/ for tracking which subreddits are dark or planning to go dark but is there a website that shows the amount of dark subreddits over time as a graph? I think that'd be quite interesting to see.
UprisingVoltage 3 points 3 years ago
Thank you for this! It's good to remain updated on the state of the things without checking reddit
dirtmayor 3 points 3 years ago
9to5Mac: iPhone subreddit starting protest early, going dark indefinitely
dirtmayor 2 points 3 years ago
Business Insider: Reddit users are planning a 48-hour blackout to protest its new pricing policy
phillycodehound 2 points 3 years ago
Joey is looking to do subscriptions
thanks for using Leebra!
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Reddit just feels dirty to me now, not in a good dirty way... Just dirty, I want nothing to do with it. I see no coming back from this even if the backlash leads to Reddit reversing the decisions. Kind of new the IPO would do something like this. Looking forward to seeing this place bloom.
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