I don't know what it's like where you live but I've never had that problem and I mainly just buy groceries for myself.

what? I have never had this problem for myself. it seems people just want an excuse to eat out

Freeze your food and eat more?

I cook at home a lot since 2020 and stuff does not really spoil. I have not seen cheese or yogurt or bread spoil. Veggies not really.

The only thing I am cautious with is meat

Do you know what a "refrigerator" is?

Are you under the impression that families are going to the grocery store every day and trying to eat everything within 48 hours of picking it up from the store? No, people are buying the week's worth of stuff and might not be getting to actually cooking it until 6 days later.

Buy a week's worth of food, with each perishable item in quantities small enough to go into a few meals per week, out of the 21 meals you'll be eating that week.

Fresh vegetables and fruit last a week or two. Fresh meat lasts a week. Eggs last a few weeks. Most dairy products last a week or two.

Make meals out of a combination of fresh ingredients, dry goods (pasta, rice, beans, breads), canned/preserved foods/sauces/condiments, frozen foods. With basically one perishable feature ingredient per dinner, it doesn't take that much planning to feed yourself for maybe 10-25% as much as it costs from takeout or restaurants. Even if your food waste is double as a single person, that's still 20-50% the cost.

Unless you’re doing heavy veggie sandwiches that’s strange to me. I’ve packed my lunch my entire adult life, and sandwiches are the primary staple. Back when I ate meat I was able to mix it up between two different types of cold cuts day by day using the big containers and I can’t remember them ever going bad. Since I quit meat I just do peanut butter out of convenience and it’s similar. Occasionally a slice of bread or two goes bad but with the big whole wheat loaves from Aldi it’s an end piece and a few cents of spoilage. And all this is with me being the only one to eat these things.

You're right. I could also buy, um... a sandwich.

neurotypical propaganda

Something funny I noticed at my last two jobs. The people who had their financial act together always brought their lunch. The broke people, like me, almost always ate out. Go figure.

Lol yeah ok, you want to compare the shareware scene in the 80s and 90s to indie games today? It's not even the same ballpark.

If video games have gotten worse overall on average, it's simply because there are orders of magnitude more games. If you honestly think games are worse, it's nostalgia speaking 100%. Tons of shovelware will of course bring the average down, but most of us just ignore that shit. You're playing the wrong games.

Not to mention that I can still play all of those old games anyway, so...

If my time working in one is any indication, taxi drivers and drunk people. I don't think those demographics overlapped often, or at least I hope they didn't

Why do you have to download an ... oh an appetiser.

Some apartments have kitchenettes

I might have misunderstood the context. I took OPs post to mean the sandwich will eventually become 15 dollars, not that they are currently. So I took the post I replied to as indifferent to that future suffering. Was I mistaken?

How much less though? Would you still be ok than less than the bare minimum to survive? How about at the bare minimum to survive? How long should we be put at that level?

I ask because most suffering today is caused by decisions made by people in power, not natural cycles.

I should have added a /s to my reply.

Right, so the "where" is the USA.

If we take this definition of the generations and table 12 from here, we can compare the values 16 years apart to see generations at equivalent ages. 2023 is the most recent data on that table, so millennials would be 27 to 42. We can't match that perfectly with the 5 year bins on the table, so I'll just average every bin that that generation covers a majority of. With that, we get:

We can compare generations at the same age by looking along the topleft-bottomright diagonal. This shows gen Z having a lower ownership rate than Millennials did 16 years ago. Millennials were doing better than gen X 16 years before that, but have now fallen behind both gen X and the boomers.

Sure enough, the entirety of the discussion of homeownership in the article you linked is:

American Zoomers’ home-ownership rates are higher than millennials’ at the same age (even if they are lower than previous generations’).

Not sure what data they're using since that doesn't tally with the above, but that's still second-worst, and the actual worst is the generation the post is actually talking about.

Your link is paywalled. But I've also heard this before and the main reason for this is that we've changed how inflation is measured, among other things. I don't like replying with a half-hour video link but coldfusion's "why is gen z so poor" Video gives a good overview, also using the article you linked as a source in the video.

The wording is highly biased and the article is poorly sourced. Here's another link for the article referred to: https://archive.ph/wJJZv .

The Fed working papers ctrl-f "generation" -> : https://www.federalreserve.gov/... - the pdf paper includes the figures with non-biased language and here's the conclusion:

Using data from 1963 through 2022, we evaluate whether younger generations are seeing slower income growth relative to the generations that came before. We confirm that there has been a slowdown in intergenerational progress, except for Millennials who saw their incomes grow slightly faster than Generation X but still more slowly than Baby Boomers and the Silent Generation. Intergenerational progress has remained positive for all generations. Positive growth has been maintained for Generation X and Millennials in spite of their stalled growth in hours worked. We investigate the role of two potential explanations for perceptions of worsening outcomes for Millennials despite their observed income growth relative to previous generations. First, we find that the higher household incomes of Millennials relative to Generation X, through their 20s, is a result of dependence on their parents rather than a rise in their own market incomes. By age 31, however, less than 10 percent of Millennials are still dependent on their parents and by then their own market incomes exceed that of previous generations. Second, we find that the rising cost of college offsets only a small portion of the income gains achieved by Millennials, especially when accounting for the growing generosity of financial aid. Our results focus on aggregate comparisons across generations, as opposed to direct comparisons between individuals and their own parents. Each type of comparison provides important information about absolute improvements in economic wellbeing across generations. Future research should continue to consider alternative measures of wellbeing for evaluating intergenerational progress, including consumption, wealth and social wellbeing (e.g., Fisher and Johnson 2022). Results on changes in wellbeing over time, including the intergenerational 26 progress made in rising incomes, should inform discussions about how best to promote wellbeing in the future.

Gratitude - I learned something despite the misleading trailhead.

I’m not saying there aren’t gen z who are suffering. You’re one of many and I’m sorry for that.

Millennials still, as a generation, have it objectively worse financially.

I protested during OWS and got pepper sprayed for it. I worked for the Bernie campaign just to see the DNC royally fuck their base in the ass no lube. The only peaceful action we have left is a general strike and everybody’s struggling so hard trying to fend for themselves that no one has it in them to organize a strike let alone all the fucking bootlickers who’d be against a unified labor action anyways.

We’re fucked. Violence appears to be the only answer, and for now it’s only the far right with an appetite for it. And they love the state.

You’re extremely privileged. I didn’t have a college fund, I was coerced into taking out a mortgage on my worthless education.

My mom is on the brink of homelessness (she lost the house after dad died) and my dad is dead (thank you for profit american healthcare system). Despite being college educated, the most money I’ve ever consistently made per hour is $25. I’m just barely getting by, and jobs in my field pay less than what I currently make as a valet driver with tips (~35 an hour but half is tips).

Unless I win the lottery or fall into exceptionally lucky circumstances, I will never have a house of my own. And all I want is a simple house with a mother in law apartment so my mom and I can share the house but live in separate quarters.

Being in vermont I’m surrounded by rich people and my job is a pointless job fellating the egos of the rich. They hate us and we hate them.

There are types of loans that require 0% down. It's difficult, though, because monthly payments will be higher. Still a valid approach in some parts of the country. I managed to buy my first home this way with no help from my parents - and yes it was in the Midwest where no one wants to live.

Laughs in blue collar. When this country collapses, as it is currently doing, what are you gonna do with the skills from your fancy laptop job?

Saf?

When did you buy? 2017/2018/2019?

The last time I could even think of getting a house was back then, and the prices here went up at least four fold.

Most millennials I know can’t afford houses and never could. If they didn’t buy before covid they can’t buy until the market crashes again.

Also you’re not gen z. The oldest gen zs are like 25… hence mommy and daddy’s money.

Gen z didn’t have a decade of extremely suppressed wages to account for, and if they graduated right into a cush work from home “job” during covid they won’t have any financial difficulties at all. They’re not dealing with the compound lost interest of a lost decade.