What's wrong with it is it's normalizing Donald Trump. Like, actually pointing at Trump and saying "this is normal." US democracy is on life support, and calling this business-as-usual is like telling people there's nothing to see here while he yanks and tugs on the plug.

https://lemmy.ml/post/26685482/17035018 Since your neonazi friends at #politics have blocked me from responding to comments of my own post here it is:

More cheap talk and no action.

Action without the "talk" means very authoritarian military like structure, where commander decides and everyone down the ladder/pyramid execute the decisions.

Talk must precede agreement and agreement must precede action for collective action. Individualist decision and action is a fascist wet dream of that something ever was done. Society has no interest in what an individual does, unless it is one in a high position of a hierarchy affecting society.

I disagree. No president has ever abandoned a democratic ally to invasion by an imperialist dictator for such petty, malicious reasons.

They might all belong in prison, but that's like saying a shoplifter is just as bad as a serial killer.

When you say Russia is more of a democracy than the US, I think that's more of having no standards than playing semantics. They are both oligarchies, and you are basically living up to the lack of standards that is your namesake, the mockery of geneva conventions. ml users be ml users.

Nothing silly here. “Fact checker” twisting Bernie’s words. Sad to be corrected yourself?

Stop drinking the Russian kool aid. This has literally been the Russian gameplan since they knew they couldn't beat us in a hot war. Psy-ops to turn us anti-globalist is almost literally verbatim the whole plan.

You can accept that the US has done some shady shit that needs to be criticized and not forgotten about, without totally dumping liberal democracy and spewing straight Russian propaganda

Unfortunately sanders is one of our better actors within the institution. Many leftists would have been happy and welcoming of a sanders administration for 2 terms. FDR was also partially aligned with fascists but as far as presidential administrations go he did the most for the working class that anyone ever did(thankfully he was elected for 4 terms) sanders however flawed he may be would have been as close to a new age fdr as we were ever going tk get and this is why the dnc shot themselves in the foot and disgraced their electorate. The democratic party is a center right party so yes bernie sanders is a little too close to center to be a real leftist and he compromises too much with centrists and conservatives but this is the only way to get things done within a partisan class dictatorship we have.

But since the dnc made it clear they would rather move to the right and attempt to court conservative voters rather than move even a centimeter to the left they made it crystal clear the only way to remedy the rot and corruption of corporatist control in our political system is a full on revolution/ class war which has been waged against the working class for the last 5-6 decades at least.

Anyone that meets the working class where they are to build class consciousness in terms they understand are building the working class movement.

But I guess we can nitpick and siphon the air out of any sort of potential for progress by doing the work of fascist apologists. Jailing and killing socialists will really bring about the perfect revolution we need

Where we read "democracy", they read "economic benefit" or "geopolitical benefit". As far as I'm aware, any "democratic movement" that the US has ever supported has been either to get rid of a not sufficiently capitalist regime (whether or not they were democratic), or for some other geopolitical strategic reason.

I haven't heard of a single example of the US supporting a democracy purely for democracy's sake. Sometimes it just so happens that the goals of supporting democracy and getting rid of pesky regimes that pose an economic or strategic obstacle align.

Not to mention that the US has been involved in regime change of many democracies over the last 80 years because they weren't sufficiently friendly to American companies or didn't support American strategic goals strongly enough. This is open, well-documented history. The CIA admits to many of the ones which were done at least 50 years ago.

Here is a list to get started: https://en.wikipedia.org/...

It is to own the winner.

If I give you a dollar and I give Steve a dollar, I've supported you both.

Your example is also wrong. BLM and KKK are organizations. You absolutely can support both organizations by giving them money. It makes you a hypocrite and means you don't believe in equality. But when has anyone claimed the United States isn't hypocritical?

Solid theory. The right does love to trawl through history looking for failed authoritarian regimes to soy over.

Yeah, I also seen a lot of fascists making fake progressive accounts to boost "cancel culture" against the left, that also regularly drop a lot of dogwhistles, especially after each successful campaigns.

Whataboutism is: "You said x but what about y?" Which doesn't make x any less valid or problematic.

Even if you disagree with what that guy wrote it’s not in any way virtue signaling. Like brother what?

Try reading my post again. To summarize, you're a child and live world that you're too simple to understand. Someday perhaps you will grow up.

What a simplistic worldview

LOL look at the downvotes.
americans truely are clueless

If you can't make an argument without a political scape goat being attached to it, then it's a bad argument.

Trumps son took 2 billion from the Saudis against the financial advice and suggestions of every expert they hired. It was, by all accounts, the largest in plain sight bribe ever witnessed.

Your argument is only a Dem problem if you cherry pick their name to attach to it.

You did leave out the part connected to that where I added, “but to totally disregard him…”. A number of comments here are just essentially “Bernie sucks and is a Dem shill” in so many words. If that’s a genuine opinion of Bernie, so be it, and I know I won’t sway any opinions on Lemmy. But my sincere ask is, how can we channel our general leftist / progressive agreements into something tangible rather than political philosophy debates online? Again, be it Bernie or DSA or Working Families Party or whatever- you name it- there’s always voices on the farther left who want to tear them all down, claiming they’re not good enough, but these same critics typically don’t present real world alternatives or proposals. And if this wasn’t obvious enough, as a person who respects Bernie and appreciates him, I find it frustrating that people can so easily throw away all of his positives and focus only on his negatives.

With ranked choice voting, they would.

The downvotes are for the whataboutism

Bernie Sanders voted against Obama's attempt to "close Guantanamo," because all he wanted to do was close the specific location while keeping the prisoners and practices going in other locations, possibly on US soil which would've provided firmer legal precedent for it.

When a cheap shot is so bad it doesn't even have a connection.

"Some facts about Obama."

"You must like Trump!"

This may come as a surprise for you but you can be against something or someone without being for something or someone else.

Lol.

We definitely had some kind of anti-war movement during the GWB administration. But under Obama, they completely obliterated it.

The DNC primaried every anti-war representative they had, and are running literal, self-identified CIA agents for seats (including Elissa Slotkin who just delivered the Dem response to the state of the union, praising Reagan). They also helped the police and intelligence agencies coordinate a crackdown of protest across the entire country to protect Israel. And they’re working with the GOP to build cop cities across the country.

At this point, I consider the Democratic Party to be a branch of the CIA.