What's a good alternative to Gmail?

3 years ago by i_am_hungry to c/asklemmy

Trying to de-google and looking for an alternative to Gmail.

Don't mind if it's a paid service if it's robust.

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BearPear 22 points 3 years ago

Tutanota has limited features and i dont like the UI. But it is okay.

Try to go for protonmail

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scumola 24 points 3 years ago

I just opened my protonmail account for the first time in years and it's really nice! Lots of great UI stuff now!

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deweydecibel 8 points 3 years ago

Tutanota is a bit more privacy focused, really useful for burners, because by default it will burn the account if you don't use it for 6 months.

As far the UI, I kinda like it. Little more old school, doesn't have the toy look so many apps have nowadays. But to each their own.

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azura 5 points 3 years ago

Protonmails approach to requiring hCaptcha for everything, even their mobile apps, really turns me off. I can't complete them. And I need another email to get in using their weird and creepy accessibility cookie thing. Nah thanks. If I need a second email to access my email I might as well just use that second email.

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OwenEverbinde 5 points 3 years ago

Who the hell downvotes a person for saying "I have a hard time with Captchas because they don't provide accessibility options that allow entry to someone with my conditions" ?

Like, guys, Captchas being ableist is a well known thing. And they've only been getting worse, as they've been in an arms race with AI, trying to become more and more distorted, and most AI text recognition software is already better at Captchas than most dyslexic people.

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pungunner 5 points 3 years ago

You sure you are a human?

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azura 5 points 3 years ago

Barely!

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Dave 10 points 3 years ago

Last I checked, the encryption in Proton Mail means you have to use their app, no third party apps allowed. Is that still true?

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Matt 14 points 3 years ago

Yes, that's still true. If you want to be able to use a third-party mail app, I would look at Fastmail or Mailbox.org. They don't have free plans though.

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JoyfulCodingGuy 12 points 3 years ago

Phone app? Yes you have to use their own app. On a computer besides the browser version you can use Thunderbird and other applications if you download ProtonBridge.

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Newwit 3 points 3 years ago

To clarify, this is a paid feature and not included with the free tier

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azura 2 points 3 years ago

Is that GitHub issue where the bridge just starts deleting emails still open? I am pretty sure it was open for over a year.

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gamer 8 points 3 years ago

Yup, and it’s kind if a pain since their mobile apps aren’t great. I’ve been using them for many years, and lately have been considering jumping ship.

Email encryption isn’t something I actually care about. If I wanted to send someone a super private message, I probably wouldn’t use email anyways since it’s just clunky, and it’s unlikely the other person is using proton mail too (which means the message wouldn’t be encrypted anyways). All I really want is to not have my email provider be scanning my messages to profit from my data.

But the effort to switch to something else is making me stay…

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ominouslemon 9 points 3 years ago

You don't use encrypted emails only to communicate privately. If they are not encrypted, your e-mail provider will probably scan them, whether it is for profit or under request from the NSA. That's what Snowden uncovered.

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gamer 2 points 3 years ago

That's a good point, but also the more I think about it the more I realize it's futile. Google is 100% going to scan the messages I send to gmail users, and match it to me somehow.

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Wisely 7 points 3 years ago
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ominouslemon 3 points 3 years ago

Same here. It's pretty barebones but fully functional.

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gamer 2 points 3 years ago

Just off the top of my head: on iOS, the app is frequently slow to download new messages, occasionally (but not frequently) crashes or freezes up, opening a message from a notification is unreliable, it doesn't support landscape mode, the search feature sucks (no filtering, sorting, etc), and it has some questionable design choices. Like, why does it include spam in the "All Mail" category? And why is it that swiping a message right sends it to the trash when doing that exact same interaction in the iOS mail app marks it as read? I've adapted to the difference after all these years, but it's clearly a bad design.

Overall it's not terrible; I'd give it like 4/5 or 3.5/5 stars, however with the price I'm paying for this (IMO overpriced) service I'd expect something a little better. I will say that the experience today is much better than it was a year ago, so even though it takes a long time, it does seem to be improving.

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CrypticFawn 1 point 3 years ago

I've had zero issues with the mobile app for mail.

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Wisely 1 point 3 years ago
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InigoMontoyota 3 points 3 years ago

I am always suspicious of free. How do they make money? Have to pay for things in life, and I've learned that you are either the customer, or the product. If your the customer, pay up. If your the product, your data is being dished out to somebody OR ad-a-palooza. If the free option is just ads, I can live. If every time I log on I feel like I am getting a vitual colonoscopy, pass.

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jws_shadotak 14 points 3 years ago

Proton is freemium. You can use the basic package but you only get 500 MB drive storage. Expanding that is cheap, which is how they draw you in.

They also offer package deals, like their VPN stuff.

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LimitedDuck 7 points 3 years ago

The Proton free tier is pretty limited compared to Gmail, in particular for me, you're only allowed 1 label. The basic paid tier opens up a lot more. They definitely want you to upgrade to the paid tier.

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CrypticFawn 4 points 3 years ago

How do they make money?

Buy selling a subscription that comes with more perks. For example, more storage for your email, custom email domain, etc.

Pre-paying for 2 years upfront is the most cost effective.

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ominouslemon 3 points 3 years ago

Your doubts are warranted, but with Protonmail and Tutanota there is no reason be suspicious. They are basically feemium products and their goal is to respect user's rights

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FancyFeaster 3 points 3 years ago

I’ll be honest, when it comes to online purchases you may find that a protonmail email will require extra processing/fraud checking due to the amount of fraudsters that use it. Combine that with a vpn and it will just be a pain here and there with online purchases like additional ID verification/delayed orders etc…

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tycho 2 points 3 years ago

Been using protonmail for my main email for three years, never had one issue. But I'm in Europe, maybe in the US it's different?

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FancyFeaster 2 points 3 years ago

I’m more talking global purchases. Just the email will probs be ok but if you purchase using that email and a vpn it raises flags.

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shadow 1 point 3 years ago

This has happened exactly once to me, and it was the VPN, and not the email address.

Paid plan folks can also make use of simplelogin.io

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Ashen 1 point 3 years ago

Proton Mail just has 5 gigs for the free version. Doesn't seem like it's enough for me to switch to it long term.

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shadow 1 point 3 years ago

They also expand your storage every year, so it's not like it's stuck there forever. For reference, I've been on Proton for about 3 years now (paid plan) and I have a data storage cap of 540GB and I've never had to buy more. Also, I all my emails so far only consume 340MB - so even on the free plan I'd still have years to go before I reached even 5GB.

(Also, I'll admit I don't email much.)

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yoz 74 points 3 years ago
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Heavybell 14 points 3 years ago

Yeah, Proton are working on delivering a privacy-focused replacement for the whole google suite. Mail, drive, calendar so far, plus VPN. OP could do a lot worse. :)

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i_am_hungry 9 points 3 years ago

Yeah I'll go Proton. Was going to go with Fastmail but then read that they're an Australian company, a Five Eyes country.

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u202307011927 4 points 3 years ago

It's quite expensive whereas you get the same product even better for 12€ a year with posteo.de

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lemmyvore 2 points 3 years ago

Posteo doesn't allow you to use your own domain, do they? I know OP didn't ask for that but it's a really, really good idea to put your email addresses on a domain that you own.

Still, it would be a definite step up from Google.

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merthyr1831 7 points 3 years ago

Proton imo is definitely the winner here, since Gmail itself also relies on integration with a bunch of cloud apps

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luthis 64 points 3 years ago

I'm using ProtonMail and paying for it.

It's decent. The best AFAIK in terms of privacy. Supports labels etc.

The migration process takes so long, I'm split between both still and slowly moving over.

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sturlabragason 25 points 3 years ago

I just forward my Gmail and use it as a legacy service while using proton as my new primary. Allows me to very aggressively spam filter in proton.

https://proton.me/...

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qooqie 3 points 3 years ago
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luthis 0 points 3 years ago

I'm willing to use that mindset when I'm downhill mountain biking but for email.. no way. You're crazy man.

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lastweakness 2 points 3 years ago

I kinda get you, but I'm (not oc) using forwarding as a temporary solution until I've slowly moved everything away from Gmail entirely. It's also good to import all past mails over.

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sturlabragason 1 point 3 years ago

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BlueDepth9279 4 points 3 years ago

Same. I use my gmail accounts for junk mail and have been moving everything actually relevant to proton through SimpleLogin aliases.

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AccidentalLemming 1 point 3 years ago
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hoodlem 47 points 3 years ago

I use Proton Mail. I recommend that whatever service you decide on, get your own domain name so you can keep your email address if you move to a different provider.

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MammyWhammy 5 points 3 years ago

Do you have any recommendations on how to buy a domain?

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GyozaPower 6 points 3 years ago

Not OP, but I used Namecheap. Porkbun is also recommended I think. Setting it up is not dead-brain simple, but Proton does a very good job on explaining it step by step I believe.

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realaether 6 points 3 years ago

IIRC Cloudflare is the only registrar that doesn't mark up from wholesale prices, or something like that. Basically makes them cheaper than most other registrars. I think the point is that they can then sell you their other (related) services more easily — the services that actually make them money.

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jao 4 points 3 years ago

I use Porkbun for my domain. you can get a .xyz domain for only $2 for 1 year, though after 1 year its like $8 per year.

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glitch1985 3 points 3 years ago

Google domains are cheap and easy to maintain....... oh wait.

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Corr 2 points 3 years ago

I'm using namesilo and it was pretty straight forward to set up. I just got it a couple days ago and no issues so far!

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QuazarOmega 2 points 3 years ago

That would make it easier to target you though, or do you use aliases on top of that?

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hoodlem 3 points 3 years ago

I’m not sure I know what you mean by “target you”. Can you go into more detail about that?

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QuazarOmega 4 points 3 years ago

By having a common email address that you give out to each service you sign up on you make it easier for them to aggregate the data and build a more detailed profile on you, in order to avoid it you would use email aliases (dummy address that serve the purpose of only forwarding emails they receive from and to one of your real address). If you use a custom domain name you can potentially create an infinite amount of them, but you expose yourself to being tracked anyway because they would all have the domain name in common e.g. a@mydomain.me, b@mydomain.me, etc. and they would notice that it all comes from one user for service, so it's easy to guess it is actually just one real person.
To avoid that happening, you would have to use a public aliasing service so you can blend in with the other users

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lemmyvore 1 point 3 years ago

Any decent email hosting service should allow you some form of aliasing (whether it's plus addressing or actual aliases). Ideally there should be no "default" address associated @your.domain, it should be all aliases. Preferably with wildcards so you can make them up on the fly when subscribing to a random website, without having to go into the admin settings. And naturally they should also offer wildcard sending (being able to send from anything@your.domain – this is supported by most decent email clients).

Bottom line, as long as it's your own domain and you don't abuse things like receiving/sending limits, attachment size, total storage size etc. you should be able to do whatever you want with your addresses and mailboxes.

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Lewistrick 43 points 3 years ago

I'm using Proton Mail and I like it a lot!

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lagomorphlecture 40 points 3 years ago

Idk I'm still using my Hotmail that I got in 1995 so...

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GratefullyGodless 10 points 3 years ago

I'm still using an AOL email address that I got in the 80's, so...

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gamer 11 points 3 years ago

Damn you just reminded me that I haven’t fed my Neopet in years. They don’t die, do they??

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JTode 4 points 3 years ago

I thought I was cool because I recorded the ring from my flip phone and used it on every subsequent phone until I somehow lost the recording around the late aughts, but that beats me by miles.

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luthis 2 points 3 years ago

Oh yeah?? Well I tattoo my messages onto my servant's scalps and send them out when their hair has grown, so...

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AlternateRoute 6 points 3 years ago

My hotmail account is my oldest still in use online account.

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TheKarion 39 points 3 years ago
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mayo 1 point 3 years ago

My primary is gmail and my secondary is proton mail but I haven't ever warmed up to proton mail. It's been a few years.

I ask it to save my login and yet I always need log in again. Maybe their sessions expire by default, whereas gmail will keep me signed in until I clear my browser. Neither gmail or protonmail load very quickly, but proton mail is noticeably worse.

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Jahuffine -2 points 3 years ago

This is the way

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akilou 34 points 3 years ago

Proton

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jao 27 points 3 years ago path: 0 2325353, hotness: undefined, score: 27, children: 0
jtsk2009 27 points 3 years ago

Proton is my fav non Google email.

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CrypticFawn 26 points 3 years ago

Been using Proton mail a couple months now. Very happy with it.

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kostel_thecreed 23 points 3 years ago
  • Tutanota
  • Protonmail
  • Mailbox.org
  • Posteo.de
  • Runbox
  • Fastmail

I would recommend either Mailbox or Posteo simply because they cost 1€/m. For email I find that anything more than like $2 is a waste of money, but that is my opinion.

Both Tutanota and Protonmail offer freemium versions of their services.

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skadden 22 points 3 years ago

I moved to Fastmail last year and it's been entirely unremarkable which is exactly what I want. Mail in and out works, it's reliable, I have my custom domains.

It really depends on the level of privacy you're going for and what features you want. For me I needed custom domain support with catchalls. The only other requirement I had was to not be Google. I debated between Fastmail and Proton for a while (Fastmail for features/price, Proton for the "better" privacy.) Ultimately I ended up on Fastmail because I would have had to pay for a higher than necessary account at Proton for what I wanted.

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EarlTurlet 7 points 3 years ago

I've been on Fastmail for 10 years. It's a great service.

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Tilted 6 points 3 years ago

I have been using Fastmail for a few years. No complaints. No issues. Entirely unremarkable.

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sgriff 6 points 3 years ago

Also since most other people aren’t using encrypted email, you kinda don’t really benefit from the Proton encryption afaik. I personally don’t understand the point.

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skadden 2 points 3 years ago

Yep. It was a fun ooh look what I can do that I have exactly zero people to communicate with using those features.

In the same vein, not using Google is similarly silly. Most of my personal contacts use Gmail or o365 so they still get a copy of my email anyway. But at least this way my money isn't going to them and nobody's scanning my inbox to advertise to me (☞゚ヮ゚)☞

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Lemmylaugh 1 point 3 years ago

Would using proton keep the ads away?

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sgriff 2 points 3 years ago

I assume some since i assume gmail scans my inbox to serve me ads. But you’d get other ads from browsing history etc still. But Fastmail does the same thing i believe

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Newwit 1 point 3 years ago

Ive not used proton, but Tutanota sends a link to the receiver if they don’t use Tutanota themselves. They have to click the link and enter a predetermined password to read the content

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specseaweed 5 points 3 years ago

Been with Fastmail for a year. Love their integration with 1password. Nobody gets my real email address. Even my 6th grader knows how to obfuscate email now. Too easy.

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skadden 7 points 3 years ago

They have a similar integration with Bitwarden that I've used a bit. I ended up stopping though because I rely on a catch-all and just give out companyname@ or something generic like work@ or family@. Sure it's easy to guess but I haven't had any spam issues in the ~15 years I've been operating this way.

Nobody actually gets my Fastmail login address though. I picked a random string on one of their domains that's literally only used to sign in. A fun little added obscurity feature.

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i_am_hungry 2 points 3 years ago

After checking out most of these services I think I'll go with Fastmail, has what I need, plenty of storage, can use third party apps without any hassle.

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nan 1 point 3 years ago

I used fastmail with a custom domain but random stuff from specific senders would disappear into the ether and never go through to my mailbox. Everything else worked fine though, but it was enough to switch me back to gmail for a while at least. LDAP is a requirement for me and most of the other popular providers now don’t have it.

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skadden 2 points 3 years ago

Yeah I suppose I could be missing email and not know (because it never got delivered) but I get everything I expect to receive and I haven't had anyone reach out asking why I haven't responded to an email I never received. It's good enough for me for now though.

LDAP support isn't something that's ever crossed my mind for mail, definitely a legit reason to stick with the Googs.

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lastweakness 22 points 3 years ago

Skiff or Protonmail.

Skiff gives you 10 GBs of storage and also comes with a drive and a Notion-like Pages app. They even let you add custom domain for free. The only disadvantages are the non-native Android or iOS apps that just feel off and the limits on folders and filters.

ProtonMail only gives 1GB of storage and stuff like custom domains, aliases, etc are all paid features. The Android app is decent but missing some basic features that you only notice when you actually use it (select and delete when searching for example). Definitely the most robust mail service there is though. With Proton Unlimited, you also get stuff like per-site aliases using SimpleLogin, Proton VPN, Proton Drive, Proton Calendar and Proton Pass. But if I'm being honest, only the Mail and VPN are truly complete products.

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hikaru755 5 points 3 years ago

Proton drive also seems pretty compete to me, now that they have a desktop app that's working really well (at least for windows, don't know about other OS's)

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SethranKada 1 point 3 years ago

I agree, it's pretty functional. Only issue I've had with it is it's pretty slow, and if you need to upload a lot of files quickly your out of luck.

My boss had me take a couple hundred pictures with my cell, and I didn't want to waste my time trying to send via sms, so I uploaded then to my drive and shared them. It took 2 hours just to upload them.

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hikaru755 2 points 3 years ago

a couple hundred pictures

send via sms

(⁠⊙⁠_⁠◎⁠)

Seriously though, that's interesting. When I moved all my stuff over from Sync to Proton Drive, the upload took about as long as expected, with my uplink being used quite well, at least when larger files were being uploaded.

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SethranKada 1 point 3 years ago

Yah, even as long as it took, there was no way I was texting him those photos.

I don't think it was limited by connection speed. I usually get about 1mb down and half that upload, and with each photo about 2mb that should have finished in less than five minutes.

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lastweakness 1 point 3 years ago

No sync functionality on Android and no webdav or such, so no support for apps like FolderSync. Also, no client for Linux and macOS.

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Saneless 1 point 3 years ago

Agree on Skiff. It's like the app keeps reloading like if you used an ereader to check your mail

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asap 1 point 3 years ago

With Proton Unlimited, you also get stuff like per-site aliases using SimpleLogin, Proton VPN, Proton Drive, Proton Calendar and Proton Pass. But if I'm being honest, only the Mail and VPN are truly complete products.

SimpleLogin is fantastic with a custom domain. Game changer for signing up to websites, especially if you use Bitwarden because they integrate seamlessly. I have paid Proton so the premium version is included for free. Not sure how the free version compares.

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lastweakness 1 point 3 years ago

SimpleLogin is integrated directly into Proton Pass and Proton Pass has the ability to save them as "Aliases". So that's been really neat. I've been finding myself using Proton Pass over Bitwarden lately due to how the Proton Pass app syncs the vault better on Android and how the Aliases feature works better with the in-page autofill that Proton Pass has.

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asap 1 point 3 years ago

I've not noticed any issues with Bitwarden on Android in the last 2 years of using it - what was happening for you?

Currently BW seems like a bulletproof solution, but it's good to have options.

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lastweakness 1 point 3 years ago

BW does feel like a more bulletproof solution tbh. The Android app's autofill is what I'm bothered by.

This for example, https://community.bitwarden.com/...

And also the lack of a UI-based autofill (edit: in browser) means that it's not possible to easily pick one among multiple logins for the same site.

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mertn 21 points 3 years ago

I also degoogled to proton. Now one bill for VPN, drive and my own domain email address.

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Kayel 19 points 3 years ago

Protonmail

It has all the bells and whistles, is privacy protecting, and is free to use

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LongPigFlavor 6 points 3 years ago

I've heard of Proton, but I never knew you could get the whole suite and that they had the option to subscribe for 24 months, that's pretty neat.

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atx_aquarian 2 points 3 years ago

I do like Proton, and I needed something like it for a forwarding problem with Gmail.

But it actually lacks one bell/whistle that Gmail offers. Both services work to receive mail for forwarding addresses, but, on Gmail, you can also send from your forwarded addresses. Proton will only send from a domain you own. So if you get mail forwarded from my.name@alumni.myuniversity.edu or treasurer@myclub.org, you won't be able to reply or send from those addresses on Proton. Judging by how long people have been asking for that ability, I doubt Proton intends to ever provide that.

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akilou 1 point 3 years ago

That's not strictly true. I don't know if it's part of the free plan but it's definitely a paid feature. With either their Simple Login or the built in hide my email alias, you can reply with your alias.

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atx_aquarian 1 point 3 years ago

Ah, I should have said "from a domain you own or one of their own".

The use case I'm talking about, which is the use of arbitrary domains, not Proton-provided ones and not domains you own and control.

I see that Simple Login provides aliases from its own domains, but not a way to use an arbitrary domain.

Proton's address support overview mentions organizational addresses, but clarifies in the same doc that this is referring to a business plan where that whole organization will be using Proton.

Proton's switching guide discusses forwarding, and it only instructs the user to tell their contacts about the new Proton address, which defeats the purpose of forwarding addresses.

Here is further discussion about the missing functionality.

Meanwhile, Google lets you use up to 99 of your own email addresses from whatever domains they are.

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lemmyvore 1 point 3 years ago

on Gmail, you can also send from your forwarded addresses

I imagine that only works if you also host the address you forward to with Google? Otherwise I can't see how Google can send email on behalf of a domain whose DNS servers it doesn't control. If that were possible spam would be a lot worse than it is.

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unagi 19 points 3 years ago

I’ve been on Fastmail for several years and like it a lot! It lets you use you own domain name as well. Their app is not particularly great, but you can hook things up with the default iOS/Android/whatever mail app just fine.

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dax 8 points 3 years ago

I agree, I'm a happy customer for several years as well. It's not the cheapest service, but it's no-nonsense and reliable.

I pointed my own domain to Fastmail and can use wildcard email addresses (like lemmy@mydomain.com) that all end in my inbox. Also my contacts are synced on the phone with Fastmail using CardDAV support, using the DAVX5 app on Android. It's really nice to have this much flexibility.

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sardonic 4 points 3 years ago

Fastmail is awesome

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Myro 18 points 3 years ago

Paid Fastmail User here since around half a year. Did extensive research on what provider to use and trialed fastmail for four weeks before buying. I went for a 3 year period. Fastmail has a fantastic set of features.

There are providers that are focused more on privacy (e.g. PGP. encryption, not being based in Australia) but that was not my top priority.

I have created a lengthy guide as part of my transition: I published the Markdown file to Fastmail at this link (it is a text file). As it was initially written just for myself, the format might not be very readable :)

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jkozaka 4 points 3 years ago

Can you send me that to me too please? Do I have to give you my email?

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amminadabz 5 points 3 years ago

Same, or maybe just throw a link up

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hruzgar 4 points 3 years ago

me too please

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druphis 7 points 3 years ago

At this point, I think it is safe to post the link.

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rts 1 point 3 years ago

Fastmail

What's the spam control like with Fastmail? I tend to get quite a bit and Gmail's been the only half-decent one so far about stopping it from ever reaching the inbox but I'm considering moving from Google Workspace.

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sunbeam60 4 points 3 years ago

FastMail user for 7+ years. Their spam filtering is good. I hardly get any and my email address is 20+ years old and have been used in public plenty.

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rts 2 points 3 years ago

@Myro@lemm.ee @sunbeam60@lemmy.one Thanks for the information both of you. I realised my Google Workspace subscription lapses in a week so I've signed up for a trial of Fastmail and really liking it so far. 😀

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sunbeam60 1 point 3 years ago

🤜🤛

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Myro 1 point 3 years ago

As my app posted the reply as a top comment, here it is again:

One important thing to take note of is: "Once your personal database has seen more than 200 spam and 200 non-spam emails, we automatically start using it to filter your incoming mail." This means, before you have received 200 spam emails (or marked them as such), the filter is going to perform significantly worse.

Personally, initially it was pretty bad compared to Gmail. However, it significantly improved over time. One thing that helps are masked emails (fantastic) - an email you can create, or is even created automatically for you, and then enter at dubious websites. If you get spam, you can simply block the whole email or fine tune it.

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resurge 17 points 3 years ago

I've been using Zoho mail for a few years now with my own domain linked to it and it works flawlessly for less than 12€/y. (less than 24€/y if you also add the domain cost)

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Kansses 2 points 3 years ago

I have used zoho as well. Have great office tools also.

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6xpipe_ 2 points 3 years ago

Hell, I'm using the free tier. Zoho has the most relaxed offerings for free tier of any email provider I've looked into.

Their Admin UI sucks though. It's almost impossible to find anything, and once you do find a link to what you need you're forwarded to some other new tool they've created in the last year. Giant pain in the ass.

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resurge 2 points 3 years ago

Yeah I usually mention that whenever I mention Zoho, guess I forgot it this time :)

I'm very happy with them, but every time I need to add a sending email alias I'm looking through 3+ places to find the right one where I can do that.

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cazool 1 point 3 years ago

Started with Proton then ended up at Zoho.

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Wolfizen 1 point 3 years ago

+1, Zoho here. Super cheap, and I feel a lot more confident that they aren't selling my data out the window, because I'm actually paying for the service.

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JTode 16 points 3 years ago

I interacted with one of RMS's public emails last week (not sure if I talked to RMS directly or not) and it came from protonmail. That's about as good an endorsement as one can hope for, so that's where I plan to migrate to.

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vd1n 5 points 3 years ago

RMS?

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Synthead 10 points 3 years ago

Richard Matthew Stallman, who started the GNU and founded the Free Software Foundation 🙃

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kamenoko 0 points 3 years ago

Ahhhh noted pedophile apologist Richard Stallman

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TopHat 14 points 3 years ago

Gotta go for ProtonMail. Have been running it for a year and I kinda like how it's doing.

An additional feature is SimpleLogin's "Hide My E-mail" Aliases, which are "burner" e-mail addresses to use with pre-determined SimpleLogin domains (you can add your own domains as well to go around Proton's custom domain limit). Those are included in the full suite and Family subscriptions. (10 a month when subscribing for a year)

There's also a cheaper variant for 3.50 a month but it lacks the SimpleLogin feature. You can get SimpleLogin seperately for 30 a year, however.

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ben 14 points 3 years ago

mailbox.org tutanota.com

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Scrollone 7 points 3 years ago

I tried tutanota but I found it too cumbersome. I prefer Proton

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opensourcedeeznuts 13 points 3 years ago

Another bump for Proton. My wife and I share an account with a few different addresses each going to their own folder. (One for me, one for her, one for shopping, one for spam, etc) Their VPN is great too and includes ad/tracker blocking.

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1984 13 points 3 years ago

Fastmail is great and has very fast user interface and lots of nice features, such as email address aliases you can create with a button click or integrate it with Bitwarden etc.

It costs money though, just so you know if you want "free" (nothing is really free).

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Swarfega 12 points 3 years ago

If you're moving your email address consider using a mail alias. If you move again in the future it will make the process a whole lot easier as you won't need to go to all your sites to update your email address. You only need to update the one email address with the alias provider.

I use simplemail with my own domain

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Corr 5 points 3 years ago

I just set up my own domain for e-mail and I use aliases for signups. Why would I use an alias for my main email if I have my domain? Just trying to figure out if I should be thinking about setting that up

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Kcg 4 points 3 years ago

Yea i did this with proton and a custom domain. Alias freedom!

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DAVENP0RT 1 point 3 years ago

This is what I'm most concerned about with moving away from Gmail. I have literally everything associated with my Google email address and, since almost every website uses email as credentials, it means I'll have to create new accounts for everything. If I move to a new email, I'm worried if they go belly-up or just flat out close my account then I'll lose access to everything.

I'll have to look into using an alias, that would clear up a lot of my concerns.

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Swarfega 1 point 3 years ago

I currently still use Gmail, but I am looking to move away. I recently signed up for simplelogin.io and purchased a cheap domain name to use with it. I then went around changing my Gmail email address to a different email alias for each and every site I use. It's a lot of work and I found some sites you can't change the email address, they refuse to allow email aliases or you have to contact support to get them to change it. All a pain. For the majority though most are now on my own domain's email address and all point to my Gmail inbox. At least now when I do switch I have done the hard work and only need to update the email address in simplelogin. Since I use my own domain, I shouldn't lose access to the email account should I need to move it away from simplelogin.

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lemmyvore 1 point 3 years ago

That's not called an alias, it's called owning your own domain name so you can take it with you to any email service.

Email aliases mean something different (giving a website an address like thatwebsite@my.domain instead of realmailboxaddress@my.domain).

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Lord_Boffum 12 points 3 years ago

+1 for Proton. I started with just Mail Plus but got the whole package later. It works well!

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lossykittens 12 points 3 years ago

I’ve been really appreciating Fastmail. It’s paid, but I was finally able to leave Gmail behind

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alex 2 points 3 years ago

Same here, I love how pretty and useful Fastmail is.

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theoware 11 points 3 years ago

Depends on where you're from, but I had good experiences with mailbox.org

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shgr 2 points 3 years ago

I would recommend them too. No problems in more than 5 years.

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observantTrapezium 11 points 3 years ago

Not for everyone, but self-hosting isn't so bad.

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ProperlyProperTea 7 points 3 years ago

I've found it to not be worth the hassle. I think it really isn't worth it for a very select few people who are super dedicated to self hosting it.

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cizra 2 points 3 years ago
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linad 11 points 3 years ago
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sol 11 points 3 years ago

Proton and Tutanota are the most privacy-focused ones, offering zero-access encryption. The flipside is that they are a bit more expensive and less easy to use with third party email clients.

There are a number of alternatives like mailbox.org, Posteo and Fastmail which are cheaper, and less private than the above two but arguably still better for privacy than Gmail (in that their whole business model isn't built off capturing and monetising your data).

Personally I use mailbox.org and have no complaints. I use it with third party clients like Thunderbird for desktop and FairEmail for Android so can't speak to how good their web UI is.

I also strongly recommend getting your own domain name to use with your email. It means if you ever want to switch providers in future you won't need to change your email address.

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matthew 9 points 3 years ago

Mailbox.org is what I've used for a long time, before protonmail even existed. The mailbox.org servers are powered 100% by solar energy too!

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mortrek 4 points 3 years ago

Their fine print didn't fill me with total confidence, but still seems much better for privacy than most email services.

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matthew 4 points 3 years ago

What did you see in the fine print? I just picked it because it was recommended, I never read any of that

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Melco 3 points 3 years ago
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pedro 1 point 3 years ago

100% solar energy? They shutdown the servers at night?

The site says 100% green but hosted in Germany. I'd be curious to know how this is possible

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matthew 1 point 3 years ago

I would assume batteries. They generate excess solar energy during the day and store it in the batteries for night, but that's just my thought process. No idea on what they actually do.

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gwildors_gill_slits 9 points 3 years ago

Other people have mentioned Tutanota; as a user myself I can point out a few pros and cons:

Pro:

  • Extremely privacy focused - everything is encrypted and even they don't have access to your email content.
  • Pretty cheap for a pro subscription (although they recently changed prices and I'm not sure exactly what the new ones are like).
  • Pro subscription you can use custom domains and set up a few aliases.
  • Generally works fine.

Con:

  • Can only use their custom mail clients (in addition to the webmail interface), because they use their own encryption algorithm.
  • Tutanota is so extremely hardcore about security that it seems like a detriment to their user experience. I used to follow the Tutanota community on Reddit and there were so many posts from people who tried to sign up or access their email and were blocked, and they had to go through quite a process to get unblocked. I myself went through a period where I kept being unable to access my account on my phone and it turned out to be that they were blocking me because of "too many IPS connecting to my account from the same IP". I have 2 devices connecting - my PC and my phone, so apparently 2 devices is too dangerous for them. That happened 2 or 3 times for a few days to a week each time, but I haven't experienced it for a while now, though.
  • The user interface is not for everyone. I don't mind it myself, but I've seen a good number of people complain that it's too sparse and/or ugly.
  • Search is annoying - because everything is encrypted, emails can't be searched on the server side so the clients have to do the searching locally which requires building an index. If you happen to clear your storage you have to reindex everything again. It's also pretty slow and annoying to index further back than a few months.
  • You don't get much storage (like, only 1gb or something) and you have to pay to get more.

Overall, if privacy and control over your own email is important to you then Tutanota is a great choice. Just be aware that usability can be kind of a hassle.

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cRazi_man 8 points 3 years ago

Mailbox.org

Its cheap and a single xsolution for replacing mail, calendar, contact sync, cloud drive, task list, etc.

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kwelzel 4 points 3 years ago

Yeah, pretty happy user here overall. I like the email web interface with its different tabs for "General", "Shopping", "Networks", etc., spam filter is reliable, ... It works.

The only thing that annoys me a little is that they got me with their 1€/month offer with custom domain support and now for the new tiers custom domains are only supported in the 3€/month "standard" tier.

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xaxl 3 points 3 years ago

That 5GB cloud storage is a bit stingy though on their standard plan.

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Elephantpurple7603 8 points 3 years ago

Proton mail

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antony 8 points 3 years ago

In no particular order: Fastmail, Proton, Outlook, iCloud, Yahoo, Gandi (free if you buy a domain), I've heard Hey is ok, but haven't used it.

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cazool 3 points 3 years ago

Gandi is getting rid of free email with domains. Was using them for a few years. Seems they got a acquired. Dumb move since it made me transfer all my domains as a result.

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lemmyvore 1 point 3 years ago

Gandi's pricing is in line with what most other quality email hosting services charge. And it is a very good email service. I was also sad when they announced there were dropping the free email tier but after shopping around for an alternative service I'm forced to admit it's what the market charges for the kind of features they offer.

It's true though that the pricing doesn't work for everybody. For example if you have multiple domains but very low overall email volume it's not going to make sense to pay $60/year/mailbox. In that case a service like Migadu is probably better suite because they let multiple domains/mailboxes share the same storage/email limits for a much lower cost.

I also wish Gandi offered a lower cost tier but it's their decision what kind of email users they want to target.

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antony 1 point 3 years ago

That's good to know, I don't think I've had any communication about this 😕

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JC1 1 point 3 years ago

I've tried Hey, it's nice, but you're stuck with their workflow.

I decided to reproduce their workflow inside of Fastmail. Worked well and now I adapted it for my needs. Something I couldn't have done with Hey.

Even today, I'm exploring Proton and I'm finding that some basic features offered by Fastmail are not available in Proton. The idea of encrypted emails is nice, but I'm not sacrificing some features that I use.

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PlutoniumAcid 1 point 3 years ago

What features in Fastmail are you missing in Proton?

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JC1 3 points 3 years ago
  • Syncing of calendar and contacts with android
  • Infinite alias with my own domain
  • no spam and trash in all mail
  • read/write sync with external calendar (google calendar for example)
  • catch all sending email address

There is another important feature too that I need, but I don't know if proton supports it. Fastmail currently manage the emails from 2 of my domains. I also supply an email address from one of those domains to each member of my family. I need to be able to forward every email received to a specific address to a Gmail address. The emails must skip my mailbox completely and not look as a simple forwarded email in their Gmail.

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Swarfega 1 point 3 years ago

I share my Google Calendar with my wife (also on Google). If I wanted to modify or even view her calendar, is that still possible?

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antony 1 point 3 years ago

Sad to hear that about Hey: that was how I felt about Basecamp. It's a shame they are repeating the same mistakes.

I'm halfway between proton and fastmail, mostly because I like and trust protonvpn. It's tough to choose. For pure email, I'd pick fastmail.

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JC1 2 points 3 years ago

It's not a bad service, their workflow is restrictive, but I think it is a good workflow though. Their goal is to make their user change the way they approach emails.

It's ambitious, but I won't blame them. It showed me a way to manage emails that I didn't know before though and I adapted it for my needs.

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Arn_Thor 8 points 3 years ago

When I was doing the same research a few years back Fastmail was recommended to me and I’ve been very happy with it. It was fairly easy to set up with an email address from my own domain too.

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electric_nan 7 points 3 years ago

Check out posteo. It costs €1/month (you can pay more for extra aliases). Seems like a cool company, and you can use it with your own email apps (Thunderbird, K9, etc).

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echa 7 points 3 years ago

I've been using migadu for almost a year now for mail, tasks, calendars. Works great for me.

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ramesdunc 2 points 3 years ago

Nice, I was looking for one like this, that has plans based on usage and doesn't charge for every mailbox.

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TooMuchVanced 7 points 3 years ago

Tutanota or Protonmail

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mikwee 7 points 3 years ago

I use ProtonMail

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Pantherina 6 points 3 years ago

They dont really support normal mail clients so no, no alternative.

I would look on privacyguides.org

posteo.de, mailbox.org and others are also good

And dont forget about cock.li !

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emberwit 2 points 3 years ago

Have been using Posteo since degoogling for a few years now, can recommend.

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mikwee 1 point 3 years ago

ProtonMail supports mail clients in the paid tier I think

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Pantherina 2 points 3 years ago

Yes it supports them on Desktop using the mail bridge. But unsure about Flatpak here. And none on mobile

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fleetfoot 7 points 3 years ago

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned PurelyMail. Its technically in beta, but I've been using it without issue since the beginning of this year (2023).

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axzxc1236 5 points 3 years ago

Also using PurelyMail, tt's the cheapest non-free email service I can find.

It passes email delivery tests, setup SPF, DKIM and DMARC easily without issue.

The downside is that it's basically one man handling whole this service, but I assume this service has been fully automated because the margin of profit is so low.

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Scrollone 3 points 3 years ago

One-man shows can be more innovative than big company services, but at the same time the bus factor is too high

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Corr 3 points 3 years ago

I just started using purelymail with my own domain this week and its been good so far! Very happy to de-google a bit

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jason123santa 1 point 3 years ago

Yep I signed up this year and been using it with no issues. Such a good service for the low price. If it was not automated then I don't think it could be that low priced.

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vox 6 points 3 years ago

proton mail is pretty decent.
not the most private solution but it's still better

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count_duckula 2 points 3 years ago

How much more private than end to end encryption do you want? Unless you mean something else by private.

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vox 3 points 3 years ago

cross domain e2e is quirky. also mail strange itself cannot be e2e encrypted (obviously) so while email body is probably encrypted with password or srh derived from your password (not even sure about that would require client side js in the web client), the metadata is probably still stored unencrypted.

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count_duckula 2 points 3 years ago

That is the fundamental problem with email as a protocol, yes?

Zero knowledge inbox, externally audited code, a company actually caring for user privacy definitely is a win for me when the alternative is Google hoovering up your data. Is this what you meant by saying it is the next best thing?

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mrpibb 6 points 3 years ago

I am happy with Proton.

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BonesOfTheMoon 6 points 3 years ago

Proton mail!

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tiny 6 points 3 years ago

I use fastmail so I can easily use a desktop client and create aliases with bitwarden and it's a great service the only downside is it's not as private as proton mail, but I don't consider email private or secure

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cupcakezealot 6 points 3 years ago

I just use IMAP through my domain hosted on Dreamhost (had it for about 13 years now??) and then use K9 and Thunderbird to read it.

Don't need to deal with all the hosting my own mail server spam and ISP nightmare :)

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PlutoniumAcid 1 point 3 years ago

I'm on DH too but I find their webmail solution very outdated, especially compared against Gmail. Especially searching for old mails is bad.

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pedro 5 points 3 years ago

I wanted my own domain and a good integration with android but I didn't want to give my data to microsoft so I went with https://www.ovhcloud.com/...

Had no issues so far for the last 2-3 years.

It's cheaper than protonmail and you're not locked to a specific application since Exchange is well supported.

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glue_snorter 5 points 3 years ago

Very happy with runbox.com. Hosted in Sweden, reasonable price, and - unlike proton - you can use your own frigging mail client

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TheSparrowPrince 5 points 3 years ago
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carzian 8 points 3 years ago

OP is looking to move away from Google. Immediately getting locked into a different, arguably more restrictive, platform isn't a solution.

Now in general:

Pros:

  • free (paid plan only?)
  • company will stay in business for a while

Cons:

  • subject to Apple's privacy policy
  • US based company, not great for privacy
  • locked into a different platform
  • Apple's walled garden ecosystem means long term use is questionable. Will Apple keep supporting 3rd party email clients in 1,3,5 years? Do they even support it now? Who knows?
  • Apple has control over your account. If they screw you over on an iPhone purchase and you do a credit card charge back on them (for any reason really) do they let you keep your account? Google doesn't
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dot20 1 point 3 years ago

Is it free? I thought e-mail is only in the paid iCloud plans

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sparemethewearysigh 3 points 3 years ago

It is free and comes with 5GB of cloud storage. For $1 a month, you get 50GB of cloud, a personal domain, Private relay (basically built in VPN), and email relay (masks your email address when signing up for a site, site never gets your actual email address, apple receive an email at the masked address and forwards to you.)

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carzian 2 points 3 years ago

Couldn't tell you. I assumed it was free but I haven't used an apple device in years

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Matt 2 points 3 years ago

Basic email is free, but you need iCloud+ to get support for custom domains and more than 5GB of storage.

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Hiru 2 points 3 years ago

It’s free but you need a Mac or iOS device to set up a new mail account

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geolaw 5 points 3 years ago

Also is there an alternative to Google Docs?

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QuazarOmega 4 points 3 years ago

Cryptpad is pretty nice!

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linad 2 points 3 years ago
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kabobglance 2 points 3 years ago

Nice, free custom domains are unheard of

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pewgar_seemsimandroid 5 points 3 years ago

proton mail (if you wanna exclusively use it pay for it), tutanota and any eco focused one. if you wanna keep using some Gmail accounts use k-9

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jetsetdorito 4 points 3 years ago

Been looking at mailbox.org

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Byereddithellolemmy 2 points 3 years ago

This actually looks pretty good.

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Krulsprietje 4 points 3 years ago

You can always pay for your own mailserver. I personally like it that people can reach me a hello@firstnamelastname.de. Maybe it is something for you?

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Microw 9 points 3 years ago

Do you actually host your own mail? Because everyone tells me not to do that, it's too much of a hassle and that there are mail services where I can use my own domain.

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Ghoelian 4 points 3 years ago

I used to host my own mail server. Getting it up and running with iredmail wasn't too difficult, but maintaining all of the different components and setting up spam filters and autodiscover and stuff like that is an absolute nightmare.

I just use proton mail. I can point my dns to them, and they do everything else for me.

Only downside is that they don't expose pop3 or imap, so you have to either use their app, or set up their bridge and host that locally.

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thorbot 1 point 3 years ago

If you just buy the office 365 service through a domain provider its as simple as a few clicks. Namecheap charges me $6 a year for my domain and $5 a month for an Office 365 mailbox with 5 users. It was a few clicks and it was set up, and I can log into the Office interface to manage the accounts. If you are running your own SMTP server from your home, yes, it can be extra steps. But that's just silly if you can afford a cloud hosted email.

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mortrek 3 points 3 years ago

But then it's all Microsoft-y...

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PlutoniumAcid 0 points 3 years ago

5 users is not enough for my family, and they don't offer additional users.

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Aceticon 2 points 3 years ago

I've had something like that for a decade and a half now.

In fact the basic e-mail service came free with just getting a domain name (though I pay extra to get IMAP rather that just POP3 access for my mail client plus pretty much infinite storage).

Works in any e-mail client and also has a web client.

Notice that I don't even need to have a hosting account (so it's not hosting for a website), much less a full VPS (which I would have to manage myself): all I'm paying for is the domain name and a little extra for more storage and full e-mail protocol support beyond the basic tier.

I think there have been maybe 2 or 3 outtages in the entire decade and half I've had it.

Whilst I could do my own thing and manage it, this solution is pretty much the level of complexity of using Google Mail (I have more important things to spend my time on than manage a mailserver) with infinitelly more privacy and running 100% on open protocols (so I can move it to a different provider if I want).

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conner5 4 points 3 years ago

Protonmail but i prefer Tutanota made in Germany 100 % Privacy :D

Proton is too slow with updates usw

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Scrollone 6 points 3 years ago

If I recall correctly, Proton is made in Switzerland. It's not the EU, but at least it's not the US either

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conner5 6 points 3 years ago

I know :D However, the people of Proton take on too much instead of focusing on what is necessary.

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Scrollone 3 points 3 years ago

I agree.

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ShellMonkey 4 points 3 years ago

It's pretty easy to setup your own domain if you don't mind it being someone else's server. I first used one called ZoHo, you just need a domain and a txt record to validate control as I recall and they'll do the rest for free. That was a number of years ago though so it may have changed since.

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carzian 3 points 3 years ago

I'm using Migadu and it's been great so far. Not many bells and whistles but it's just email. Also allows you to control your own email address and not be locked into a different platform

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Faresh 4 points 3 years ago

I'm using Posteo and have absolutely no problem with it. The base price is 1€/month and for my purposes I haven't needed to buy any extra stuff (like extra space or aliases). It also allows access via mail clients by IMAP and POP, which is something I've seen many popular gmail alternatives not providing, despite being IMO a pretty important feature.

You mentioned storage space is important for you. The default size is 2.0 GB, but you can acquire more by paying +0,25€/month for every extra gigabyte up to a maximum total of 20 GB.

It should be noted however that it is a German company and therefore has to comply with German laws.

The one thing I'm not really convinced by is their approach to spam. The web interface doesn't provide any way to define rules to filter out spam except for filter exceptions, but the service already filters out spam for you and it will never reach your inbox. I would normally think that's a bad idea, but I've never received any spam nor have I noticed any mail going missing (except for my lemmy.ml registration mail which I remember I had problems with but I don't remember if it was Posteo's fault and if yes if it was their spam filter in which case it could be allowed to reach your inbox by adding it as an exception).

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Flashbert 5 points 3 years ago

But you cannot have your own domain on posteo as far as i know.

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stefanlaser 4 points 3 years ago

Underrated comment. Posteo is awesome, cheap, and has all the tools you need for mail and calendar things. Proton may give you more, but that's a different query.

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Krazyglue 1 point 3 years ago

Did you know IMAP and POP are antiquated protocols, password are passed in clear over internet.

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Schnaftator 2 points 3 years ago

That's why people wrap those protocols with SSL. Think https vs http.

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gamey 4 points 3 years ago

Protonmail and Tutanota seem like your best bets, big providers like to sort others in the spam folder tho!

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cyborganism 3 points 3 years ago

For me it would be an alternative to Google drive and it's office web apps.

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hikaru755 6 points 3 years ago

For drive, Proton drive has been working well for me so far, and it actually integrates better with the windows file explorer

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mortrek 1 point 3 years ago

It's not perfect by a long shot, but Nextcloud works okay. I actually host it on my home server under docker and use ddns to reach it remotely. Besides my opnsense vpn, it's the only thing I have open to the internet.

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szczur 3 points 3 years ago
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jaykay 3 points 3 years ago

Skiff

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saltedFish 2 points 3 years ago
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joyjoy 0 points 3 years ago

Those domains don't seem very inclusive. Why is there a dicksinhisan.us domain but no dicksinheran.us domain?

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currawong 2 points 3 years ago

The closest in features would be Infomaniak.

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lazylion_ca 2 points 3 years ago

Get your own domain and sign up with Opalstack.

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DotSlashExecute 2 points 3 years ago

I use Soho, supports custom domain, plenty of good features, it's like £12 a year and EU based / privacy focused.

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qwet 2 points 3 years ago

Do all or any of these options offer filtering?

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joystick 2 points 3 years ago

mailinabox gives you email, calendar, tasks, and nextcloud apps if you're willing to setup your own VPS and suffer through some setup, about $10-20/month

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waigl 2 points 3 years ago

I'm using a combination of Postfix and Cyrus IMAPd.

Granted, probably not what OP was asking for, but privacy wise, this is almost certainly more water tight than any of the other options.

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Byereddithellolemmy 2 points 3 years ago

Please would you elaborate or point me in the direction of further information? This looks interesting.

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waigl 1 point 3 years ago

Honestly, that was a bit of a wise crack. What I am doing with those two things (plus a number of other that are required these days, notably for DKIM) is running my own mail server.

Fair warning: Doing that costs money, time and effort, and messing it up can lead to... interesting results. (You usually don't want "interesting" for something as fundamental as your email.)

If you are still interested, join us in selfhosted@lemmy.world. (Still figuring out how to properly link to a community on lemmy. In the meantime, look for it under "Communitys".)

The postfix mail server can be found here: https://www.postfix.org/
The Cyrus IMAP server can be found here: https://www.cyrusimap.org/

Additionally, I also use roundcube so I can have a web interface for email.

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Byereddithellolemmy 1 point 3 years ago

Appreciate you replying, thank you.

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vext01 1 point 3 years ago

I self host my email and don't wish it on anyone!

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Max_P 2 points 3 years ago

Same, Postfix but still using Dovecot for the IMAP server. Works just fine still though.

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lemmyvore 2 points 3 years ago

migadu.com, it's a Swiss company with servers in France (great privacy laws). You can host multiple domains and unlimited mailboxes on the same account, which starts at $20/year. They limit on numbers of emails sent/received (200/20/day on the smallest account) and on total account space (5 GB smallest), not on features. You can host multiple domains, multiple mailboxes, multiple aliases, individual login per mailbox, TLS connections, IMAP/SMTP/POP/webmail and all the features you can think of.

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dani 1 point 3 years ago

skiff.com is encrypted services with docs and drive too

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visnudeva 1 point 3 years ago
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fastidious 1 point 3 years ago

I use my own domain on iCloud for Domains.

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snowe 1 point 3 years ago

I have been using Hey for two years now and I like it a lot. Less about privacy and more about, “I don’t want all this junk mail and advertising”

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snake_cased 1 point 3 years ago

Zoho is a good alternative.

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jagoan 1 point 3 years ago

I signed up for MailRoute lifetime* account when Google threatened to pull the grandfathered free workspace account.

It’s fine, I email using Spark everywhere anyway. Spam filter could be better. Other than that, everything is back to normal.

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mortrek 1 point 3 years ago
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Oha 1 point 3 years ago

Been using tutanota for a while. Never had a single problem with it

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Colour_me_triggered 0 points 3 years ago
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Myro -1 points 3 years ago

One important thing to take note of is: "Once your personal database has seen more than 200 spam and 200 non-spam emails, we automatically start using it to filter your incoming mail." This means, before you have received 200 spam emails (or marked them as such), the filter is going to perform significantly worse.

Personally, initially it was pretty bad compared to Gmail. However, it significantly improved over time. One thing that helps are masked emails (fantastic) - an email you can create, or is even created automatically for you, and then enter at dubious websites. If you get spam, you can simply block the whole email or fine tune it.

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Jakeroxs 4 points 3 years ago

You didn't specify what email provider you're talking about lol

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lastweakness 2 points 3 years ago

He is probably talking about Fastmail since his other comments here are about Fastmail.

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Jakeroxs 1 point 3 years ago

Ah thanks, I scrolled for a bit and didn't see another post from them.

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Rearsays -2 points 3 years ago

Anything? Carrier pigeon?

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Resol -3 points 3 years ago
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s20 8 points 3 years ago

I'm a big fan, but Thunderbird is an email app, not an email provider.

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interdimensionalmeme -5 points 3 years ago

Why would you degoogle by exchanging Google with another Google wanna be?

There's only one solution, self hosted email or you might as well use gmail

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foxmoss -6 points 3 years ago

Run your own email server.

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shinigamiookamiryuu -7 points 3 years ago

Outlook

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shinigamiookamiryuu 1 point 3 years ago

Why is this being downvoted so much? There's literally no other big time email provider right now that doesn't require you to insert your phone number or extra email address in the first week, and it supports almost everything gmail does.

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