I'm going to miss lemm.ee.

a year ago by irelephant [he/him] to c/fedimemes

TheMightyCat 98 points a year ago

Thank you to all the admins and donators who kept lemm.ee going.

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glaber 75 points a year ago

Wherever you guys migrate, please stop concentrating the userbase around lemmy.world, that's exactly what we're trying to avoid with Lemmy to begin with. The best thing you can do is go to https://join-lemmy.org/ and choose a server that's not in the top 10 or so. This will also help avoid things like the admins/mods burning out

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Blaze 11 points a year ago

https://lemmy.zip/post/40323214

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FlihpFlorp 6 points a year ago

Yeah I was gonna try out piefed and mbin but if those don’t work out for me any lemmy instance suggestions? J was thinking lemmy.zip or any instance who only defederates with spam/illegal stuff

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dditty 3 points a year ago

Apparently db0 and lemmy.zip are two such instances that broadly federate

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FlihpFlorp 2 points a year ago

Ooh good to onow

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LemmyFeed 0 points a year ago

lemmy.today doesn't block any instances. But db0 is good too, I've been happy with it.

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SoftestSapphic 3 points a year ago

.wolrd is the only instance I have been able to stay on so far.

Every smaller one I try bans me for minor disagreements or wrongthink. They all feel like exclusive clubs that they don't really want people to join, but will then whine about low user numbers.

The larger spaces have admins that are more often held accountable and put on blast, it's just the nature of these kinds of spaces.

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RickyRigatoni 2 points a year ago

I did my part. Time for my retro gaming lemmy era 😎 already bought all the stuff I need to put freehdboot on my ps2.

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chunes 1 point a year ago

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floatingpaperweight 1 point a year ago

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TheObviousSolution 1 point a year ago

There are some sites that show what instances are de-federated from that. People can use that as a guide as well, if there are instances they don't really want feeds from due to their underlying circumstances. They should also check the admins and modlog so they don't run into surprises later down the line.

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AizawaC47 65 points a year ago

Oh …..oh God, why!!! Why!? It’s too soon!!! 😭😩

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crawancon 56 points a year ago

too soon!

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Blaze 24 points a year ago

Definitely

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pyre 44 points a year ago

I'll be honest i don't get what people differentiate so much about instances. most of the time i don't even notice what instance people I'm talking to are from, what instance the community in browsing is from, what instance the meme I'm viewing is from... is it about the software you're using that you're so aware of these things?

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megane_kun 23 points a year ago

To me, it's mostly how an instance is ran. How it makes its decisions: defederating or not, and with whom, how they handle complaints, how they handle bans, etc. makes a difference in both the communities it hosts and its members.

There's also the matter of user culture. Some instances, like Beehaw, Lemmygrad, and Hexbear are known for a certain user culture. Some users might steer clear away from certain instances because of that perceived user culture.

And then there's the issue of defederation stance. It might not be readily apparent, or affect your user experience in a big way, but for some users, it's a factor. This is also where lemm.ee made its mark. It basically used defederation as a last resort, and some users were drawn to that.

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LucidNightmare 9 points a year ago

That's why I was here. I've already made a few more accounts just to have backups in case this happens again, but I really really enjoyed how I could see most of the Fediverse, and could block with my own settings if I didn't like the way another instance was ran. I will miss it. :'-]

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AreaSIX 4 points a year ago

I'm in the same boat. I do not like defederation. So where do we go? Any other instance with the same openness? I don't know details about instances, but I know I'd like to avoid .world though.

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LemmyFeed 2 points a year ago

Is blocking an instance the same as defederation? I found lemmy.today the other day and they don't block any instances.

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LucidNightmare 2 points a year ago

I honestly haven't put too much thought into it yet, but I joined sh.itjust.works and db0 because I've seen some of their users around and thought they were cool. :O

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BrainInABox 0 points a year ago

.ml is basically federated with everyone

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Lumun 8 points a year ago

If your display settings don't show the full username, there's no way to tell really. Voyager and Alexandrite show then by default. I think people just like to root for teams inherently and the interinstance drama is kind of fun. If you're on Lemmy a lot you start to recognize people and their main instance, there really aren't that many of us.

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PugJesus 7 points a year ago

Community cultures, mostly, as trimmed and pruned by admins. Most instances I don't notice massive differences in, with a few exceptions.

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irelephant 6 points a year ago

Different admins; some instances federate with some, some block others.

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buddascrayon 4 points a year ago

Well, that is unless they are coming from .ml 😒

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BrainInABox -2 points a year ago

Rich coming from a .worder

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Honytawk 0 points a year ago

You mean the biggest instance that is still federated with close to everyone?

There is a reason for that you know.

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BrainInABox -1 points a year ago

Yeah, because they're the one that tries the most to be exactly like Reddit, so all the Redditors end up there.

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Ledericas 0 points a year ago

unless its coming from .ml, hexbear or lemmygrad. the comments cant get annoying.

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Honytawk 2 points a year ago

With .ml you can sometimes still have a good discussion. Maybe because the community is so big. And not everyone who joins knows ml stands for Marxist-Leninist.

But those other 2 are chock full of extremists.

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OpenStars 1 point a year ago

I finally blocked all of Lemmy.ml. You are correct of course, but the rare times someone says even a passable comment simply is not worth all the times I see the most bat shit insane replies, none of which I have to see ever again now.:-) I find that tradeoff worthwhile for myself at least.

Lemmy.world communities can get that way too obviously, as you say because of the size, but still... it's different, the ratios of worthwhile to not worthwhile comments.

A couple of years ago it was not this way, but time has passed and nowadays it seems to become (every so slightly) increasingly true.

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Tweak 0 points a year ago

But those other 2 are chock full of extremists.

I always saw those two as something like far left indoctrination camps where people learn and practice astroturfing techniques.

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frostysauce -2 points a year ago

Childish people love to argue about childish things.

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detun3d 33 points a year ago

Thank you, not just for showing respect and appreciation to the people behind Lemm.ee but because these posts are a magnet for the kind of trolls everyone should block before migrating elsewhere. 👌

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ayyy 6 points a year ago

Here’s an entitled ass to add to your collection lol https://sh.itjust.works/comment/19001249

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samus12345 2 points a year ago

They sound like they want to speak to the manager.

That's an unfortunate situation with slrpnk.net. Not having anyone able to physically access a server for weeks was really tempting fate, though.

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TachyonTele 31 points a year ago

You're not crying, I'm crying!

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Eheran 31 points a year ago

Why? What is going on?

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irelephant 59 points a year ago

lemm.ee is shutting down, due to admin burnout.

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Jimmycakes -36 points a year ago

Isn't the whole point of lemmy is you don't "have" to monitor it with admins?

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Mac 68 points a year ago

No, the point of Lemmy is to be decentralized and non-corporate. It has nothing to do with monitoring or moderating.

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eighty 57 points a year ago

You just made me realise a non-zero amount of people have this view and post/behave however they want - leading to instance closures and defederations

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Jimmycakes -1 points a year ago

Probably people getting down voted like crazy for asking simple questions isn't really good for retention or growth. Late stage reddit behavior. Guess lemmy is going to speed run all of the downside of reddit.

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Deconceptualist 30 points a year ago

No, the point is that it's not controlled by any one megacorp or nation state. Being an open social media platform it's still going to have shitty people trying to attack its infrastructure to try to silence others or tilt voting the way they want or just chaotically troll the hell out of people. Admins are needed to protect it from that.

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silasmariner 23 points a year ago

I do see why you're saying that, but a server without admins would rapidly become a breeding ground for entirely illegal discussions, and it would be at least defederated pretty rapidly

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Ledericas 6 points a year ago

oh yea thats why alot of them dissociated with the tankies, and some illegal porn ones, especially csam.

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Jimmycakes 0 points a year ago

Yeah but like who's gonna get mad if there's no corporate to report to. There's no ad space to sell. So you are spending energy moderation to what end?

I'm just trying to understand the setup I guess. I just assumed people started lemmy to get away from over moderation on reddit. I been here since the api crackdown on reddit.

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Ledericas 22 points a year ago

moderating is for mods. admins are there to keep lemmy.ee running. much like reddit still needs admins to run things, minus thier ability to ban accounts arbitrarily.

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JackbyDev 16 points a year ago

No? What?

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AppleTea 2 points a year ago

i think the point is that there is no single lemmy server - so if you want to put in the work and set up a server you never check up on, yeah sure whatever this isn't legal advice.

But also, if people wanna set up a space that bans the most obnoxious behavior while cultivating real conversation, they can do that too.

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Ledericas 16 points a year ago

most of the admins left due to stress, or lack of hiring. thats why its shutting down.

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Blaze 12 points a year ago

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AlteredEgo 26 points a year ago

I really liked lemm.ee because it didn't defederate from the radical socialist and communist spectrum of political speech.

But the other issue with a bigger instance like lemm.ee going down is that as long as communities can't be moved (including users and content) to other instances, the lemmy project will fail. Because then only centralization in a few big instances is viable, and those big instances are going to become valuable and sold to plutocrats.

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Ideonek 7 points a year ago

That's a disturbingly good point.

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Blaze 2 points a year ago

Community migration is available on Piefed: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/...

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Tweak 6 points a year ago

To be fair, lemm.ee didn't really act as host to any major communities to begin with. So communities aren't really the loss here, and it could be that having at least a few big active communities on an instance is a key part of maintaining its long term viability.

Also, all the text posts and comments from lemm.ee will still remain on other instances. I'm sure the instance could also back up content, if the specific admin so desired to re-host.

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AlteredEgo 2 points a year ago

Yeah the biggest communities seem to be movies and television, and my guess is that they'll be gobbled up by lemmy.world. But every community migration like currently looses subscriber members, and split communities mean a lack of interaction. Social network require a critical mass, and also benefit from centralization. While federation works great for users there isn't a real solution for communities yet. There is a lot of randomness involved, like who gets to be the first to make a community might be a bad mod in the long term. For example the reddit r/climate mod is a climate skeptic. Not sure if there is any better solution.

I'm just wondering how the best design for this problem would look like. Maybe the mod of a community could have some kind of key that he can transfer to another instance and automatically transfer all the user subscriptions and link the post history with them.

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Tweak 3 points a year ago

For me, the bigger problem with how Lemmy is federated is the way comments and posts have unique IDs for every instance. You can't easily find a comment or post from one instance on any other instance. With users, you just have /user/username@instance, what we need is /post/###@instance or /comment/###@instance. Instead, we just have /post/### and the ### is different everywhere (I think it's just sequential for every post/comment the instance federates).

Maybe there's some reason they did it this way, but it feels like the better solution is to have the original host instance decide the number, then every other instance just use their number and their @instance.

Pretty sure that was on the bug list 2 years ago.

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AlteredEgo 1 point a year ago

Yeah. There is a userscript called "Lemmy Universal Link Switcher" (link) that helps with that, but of course it's just an UI fix.

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Blaze 2 points a year ago

Community migration is possible on Piefed https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/...

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AlteredEgo 1 point a year ago

Thanks, that's interesting. Also that a python program is less resource intensive than rust lol.

But I've been wondering if communities should be bound to domains at all or maybe should be more free floating or P2P. Or if communities should be owned by admins at all, or could possibly be democratically controlled.

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Blaze 2 points a year ago

Community migration is possible on Piefed https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/...

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RabbleRebel 0 points a year ago

I hope you're not calling tankies radical socialists or communists. Because .ml et al are authoritarian instances, not lefty.

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AlteredEgo 1 point a year ago

I interact regularly with "those ml" instances and don't meet any (or not many) of people like you describe. I do believe it's mostly rumors, propaganda, cherry picking and liberal prejudice against socialists.

Do you still know what is real? The principle behind freedom of speech is about hearing dissenting voices that might tell you a truth that the mainstream won't.

In case you're curious, I also believe "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" so I often support or at least not condemn countries like Russia or China or Iran in their fight against the authoritarian US Empire. I'm a realist, pacifist and materialist, we already know what the regime change sought by the US will do to the people in "shithole" countries.

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RabbleRebel 1 point a year ago

I'm an an-com. It's not rumors or propaganda, it's seeing you in action with our own eyes. There are entire communities dedicated to calling out your redfash fuckassery on lemmy.

If you support or are silent on imperialism, you are the enemy.

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AlteredEgo 1 point a year ago

But not supporting Russia is the same as not opposing US imperialism, which is the same as supporting US imperialism. Think about it lol.

And yeah, there are communities dedicated to spreading "rumors, propaganda, cherry picking" and creating prejudice. There is very little difference between the fascist lies told by MAGA and the US imperialist lies told by the MSM. You think just because Russia manipulates people, the US isn't doing the same? Because one side is bad, the other is good? That the left is somehow immune? It's become increasingly hard to figure out the truth of what is happening in the world, but people crave a pure certainty. That's how the fascists won, by reshaping how the liberals perceive the world. And the neoliberals love the good vs evil narrative.

What matters is tactics and strategy. A multipolar world is better for any socialist project. Multiple independent sources of information, even if tainted, are better than a single perspective shaped by mainstream media. There are only 3 international newspapers in the world, and they've long been captured.

That's why I'm specifically looking for a server that doesn't block those pesky radicals and dissenters.

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Jax -4 points a year ago

The principle behind freedom of speech is about hearing dissenting voices that might tell you a truth that the mainstream won't.

I also believe "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" so I often support or at least not condemn countries like Russia or China or Iran in their fight against the authoritarian US Empire.

This is why I downvoted you.

Edit: looks like I pissed off the tankies. You people are transparent, FYI.

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LucidNightmare 17 points a year ago

Fellow lemm.ee refugee!

Thank you to the lemm.ee admins and mods for everything. I will miss the defederation policy the most!

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Ledericas 16 points a year ago

lemmyee grew too fast for its own good, with the reddit purges.

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trash_ 12 points a year ago

Lemm.ee was my home instance. I will miss it dearly. I wasn't as active as I probably could have been, but I'm still sad.

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ghosthacked 12 points a year ago

I'm an .ee refugee. I just hope this stuff doesn't become the norm where instances get shut down

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Gort 11 points a year ago

It was great while it lasted, and I thank those that ran it. A breath of fresh air after initially being on an instance that decided to nanny its users by defederating from instances for no good reasons.

I have a backup account on sdf.org, so I'm now using that as my main instance. Thanks to those who run it.

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ThorrJo 3 points a year ago

Yeah, SDF is a good choice (and a very interesting org in its own right)

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DropThePot 8 points a year ago

Take lemmy.today instead!

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LemmyFeed 2 points a year ago

Are you saying lemmy.today is no good?

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Ledericas 2 points a year ago

i made an account yesterday, and imported my prferences over.

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CooperRedArmyDog 2 points a year ago

Sir, you took the words right out of my mouth when read the news

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katze 5 points a year ago

Yeah, what a shame.

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Sylvartas 5 points a year ago

I'm sorry but the best is dbzero. Lemm.ee was a damn good instance too though

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db0 10 points a year ago

I think it adds to our mystique that not even our regulars can spell it correctly :D

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Sylvartas 2 points a year ago

I will now try to misspell it in a new way every time 🫡

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Tweak 8 points a year ago

The lemm.ee admin is a shit hot developer though, his instance was generally more robust than all the others, and he helped other instances when they had various problems. It's a shame he wasn't the lead lemmy developer, although I'm sure he doesn't have the time for such a big undertaking.

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irelephant 4 points a year ago

Its where I moved to :)

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Sylvartas 2 points a year ago

I saw that, which is why I allowed myself to gas it up here.

Again, just to be clear, no disrespect meant to lemm.ee refugees or the former admin, I just wanted to rep my instance to any potential former lemm.ee users because I like it here !

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BigBananaDealer 4 points a year ago

what do i do now i only use jerboa how do i change instances

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irelephant 5 points a year ago

Go to https://lemm.ee/settings in a web browser (I'm not sure its in jerboa), and export your settings.
Make an account at lemmy.zip or lemmy.cafe, go to settings there, and import the settings file.

then, log out of jerboa, and log in with your new account.

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Ideonek 4 points a year ago

Can you explain why Lemmy.zip or Lemmy.cafe specifcaly?

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irelephant 2 points a year ago

lemmy.zip is the most similar, it has a great admin and a similar federation policy.

Lemmy.cafe was just the second instance to come into my head.

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Razzazzika 4 points a year ago

Shit I'm out of the loop, is my account being deleted or something?

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irelephant 3 points a year ago

End of june, lemm.ee is shutting down.

don't worry though, most communities are available on other instances.

Just make a new account on lemmy.zip, export your settings/subscriptions from lemm.ee and import them on .zip.

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xeekei 3 points a year ago

Yes. End of june.

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roserose56 2 points a year ago

Out of loop? We had posts and posts about lemm.ee going down, how did you missed it?
Anyway, end of June lemm.ee is going down, which means it won't be accessible! If you want to access lemmy after that, you have to find a new instance. Have a look here to search for a new instance.

Don't forget to export your profile settings from settings > Import/Export Settings > export.

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Razzazzika 2 points a year ago

Been busy with moving and stuff. This is the first I saw anything. Thanks for the info.

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TWeaK 3 points a year ago

NOoooooooo :(

lemm.ee has been hands down my favourite instance, it's genuinely depressing that it's going.

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Evil_Shrubbery 2 points a year ago

I'm tearing up :'(

Thx for all the severing!

<3

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orochi02 2 points a year ago

So what about all the valuble content in the Communities posted?

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irelephant 3 points a year ago

Posts that propagated to other communities will stay on servers.

Images will break though.

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Blaze 2 points a year ago

Community migration is possible on Piefed https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/...

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orochi02 2 points a year ago

Ootl, Whats piefed

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threelonmusketeers 2 points a year ago

Pretty similar functionality to Lemmy, but written in Python by a separate development team.

path: 0 17515475 17553089 17614907 17686162, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0

crowbar 2 points a year ago

Nooooooooooooooooooo

path: 0 17473402, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0

SnarkoPolo 2 points a year ago

Tell me about it. My JSON file with all my settings won't upload, so l have to start over, day one.

path: 0 17492182, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 3

Demigodrick 4 points a year ago

Hey, we are aware - I've made a comment here: https://lemmy.zip/post/40323214/19304384

Tldr - try with a vpn!

path: 0 17492182 17495794, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 1

SnarkoPolo 1 point a year ago

No joy, still tells me the JSON is malformed. Since I downloaded it from lemm.ee, I don't see how that's possible.

path: 0 17492182 17495794 17499629, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0

irelephant 2 points a year ago

You should probably ask about this in !home@lemmy.zip

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cortex7979 1 point a year ago

path: 0 17472839, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0

digitalnuisance -6 points a year ago

Lol, no it wasn't. It was the place where the lowest-common-denominator ended up. My experience on more niche, tailored servers has been wonderful for thoughtful discussion and avoiding useless flame wars.

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oftheair -1 points a year ago

Thanks for saying this. We did see some hate coming from there whereas on more dedicated servers there's generally none of that.

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