Tankies is when you condemn Democrats support of genocide
A vote for Trump is a vote to end America. It really is that simple. If there is one thing I hope future generations rally around and condemn is Trump voters. I hope they are shamed for eternity.
A vote for Trump is a vote to end America
Are you trying to sell me on him? America is a bipartisan genocidal scourge. It should be ended.
I bet you 1 million dollars your country is dependent on trade with America.
I wish Lemmy had a remind me bot so I could come back to this comment in 6 months. It takes time for Trade and Tourism to drop off, and more time for the effects of that to be noticed by the average citizen who is having the reality of the situation hidden from them by the propaganda machine of the oligarchs.
@remindme@mstdn.social 6 months
A lot of what made the US a superpower has already disappeared. Its alliances with Europe and the Commonwealth. Its influence on global trade. Its influence on global institutions. Its soft power through things like USAID.
Harris assured Trump voters that nothing would fundamentally change. The Democratic party is sitting on their thumbs while the fascists are taking over. Electoral politics don't save us from fascism.
This this this this this this this this.
I have zero goddamn sympathy for any so-called "leftist" who didn't vote for Kamala. You have condoned neo-facism to stroke your own ego. No two ways about it. At least now they get to enjoy the fruits of their labor. Tell me, how's that self-righteousness taste?
You can't call yourself a "leftist" and vote for a conservative neo-liberal for president. There's no two ways about it. Saying otherwise is just a conservatives way of stroking their own ego. By undermining the leftist vote, you have condoned neo-fascism to stroke your own ego. At least neo-liberals now get to enjoy the fruits of their labor for creating this situation. Tell me, how does your own self-righteousnous taste?
-see, i can do it too.
And despite this, trump is still worse. You can go on and on about this singular issue but at the end of this stupid disingenuous contortionist act, trump is still worse.
As did you by sitting back and letting it happen.
Have the day you voted for.
I decided I'd rather die than vote for genocide.
Looks like I'll get my wish. I'm fine with that.
You say as the genocide in Gaza is being aided and abetted by Trump in a way it would never have been even by the Democrats.
You guys are so happy to throw Palestinians under the bus for your black and white worldview
Democrats were fully willing to help Israel annex Gaza and ethnically cleanse the strip, despite the rhetoric. They'd have done it a different way (maybe) but the end result is the same.
But with Trump, those same Democrats have been forced to come out against it! Partisanship is making long-time Israel supporters rethink their support for the genocide, and now they're speaking up.
But don't be fooled - this is only partisanship. The genocide was bipartisan before Trump, but he has a way of actually sharpening the contradictions and forcing liberals to stand for something.
I'll still vote for Democrats that come out against the genocide, but that's my red line.
Democrats wouldn't be speaking out against Israel under Harris. They'd be goose-stepping along with the administration no matter how many children Israel killed because the genocide was bipartisan before Trump.
Dude, didn’t you see their instance? They’re a tankie. They were never ‘refusing to vote for genocide’. They were always holding their vote in the hope that the evil US would destroy itself so Generous China and Glorious Mother Russia could take their place as the true and noble world leaders.
Just ignore them.
ICE wasn't invented by Trump. If you look at the actual numbers he's basically just keeping up with Obama's deportations.
He's just ripped the mask off, so people realize what ICE always was. We told you about ICE before and you didn't care, and now you do. Trump makes you see what was always right in front of you.
Now. Are you going to do anything about it?
The genocide is bipartisan.
Also... do you think you're innocent? That you're absolved of this country's crimes?
Do you think that all you need to do is vote for a Democrat and you can wash your hands?
Being suicidal doesn't entitle you to take the rest us down with you! You've clutched your pearls so hard that you've managed to bloody your hands anyway.
Quit being unethical in the name of ethics.
What about all the people around you that aren’t ok with that?
You’re not really sticking to the very basics of communism: community.
We're all complicit.
Don’t break an arm jerking yourself off, there, hero.
I mean our only choices are Facists and cowardly facist enablers. Both sides really do suck.....
Truly. It’s like having to choose between a punch in the mouth or having your skin shredded off with a cheese grater.
Like, i don’t want either of those things. Someone please choose for me.
I guess punch in the mouth? It doesn't matter. Ppl are so tired of getting punched in the mouth they gave the cheese grater a try and did a lot of dmg.
"The whole sale extermination of an entire race" is a little worse than "a punch in the mouth".
Phew. Good thing Trump won and the genocide ended.
There is genocide either way, this is more complex than one issue.
You can make the point about trump being a criminally weirdo pervert fake businessman without misrepresenting (and therefore failing to learn from) the 2024 election.
Harris kicked tent poles out of the Big Tent(tm). This includes immigration (low latino turnout). It seems unserious to say it was just the blind eye to Israel's genocide that lost the election, i haven't seen a piece of evidence that bore out the genocide as Kamala's sole reason for losing the popular vote.
Its also the case that republicans spend literally billions more on media and it leads to them dominating online spaces with pure spam. Online posting is never a substitute for knocking on doors, a thing the Kamala campaign failed to do sufficiently.
DNC apologists always being like "well they were trying to recruit more bigots" and then act surprised when the bigots and their overwhelming piles of media cash chase voters out of the Big Tent
Why are you separating russia and israel? Both are fascist states.
Well to be fair, Trump wanted to cooperate with Israel on a beach resort in Gaza, whereas Harris was just afraid of saying Israel bad, because Israel buys a fucktonne of weapons from the US and a big part of the country is ridiculously pro-israel.
Kamala has no spine, she loves genocide.
Trump didn't stop genocide. In fact it's markedly worse under him. This is more complex than one issue.
I guess outward fascism towards the 3rd world, and inward fascism towards the USA's own population seem like different things to you.
Trump's doing both, while Kamala sure as hell would have ensured the former.
We cannot live this contradiction in the USA anymore. Freedom and diversity for Americans means freedom and diversity for all humans. I'm so sick and tired of centrist liberals defending this corrupt USA that perpetuates the enslavement of the third world.
I guess outward fascism towards the 3rd world, and inward fascism towards the USA's own population seem like different things to you.
Whatever bullshit you have to tell yourself to sleep at night.
There's no such thing as "inward" or "outward" fascism. You're just making shit up.
It's just fascism, and your inaction has directly led to it. Well done.
Edit: here's one lovely reply to this comment that was removed. Totally normal. And let's be clear, I have not denied nor supported any genocide, I simply said that fascism is fascism and you don't break it into "internal" and "external", and this is what someone feels they need to say to me:
God I want to feel the hardness of your skull as I punch you repeatedly again and again, ignoring you painal scream as I fucking stab you over and over.
Genociders deserve death.
Here's their profile: https://thelemmy.club/u/wowAnotherPos
Normal stuff. Comment is deleted, but still has 2 points.
This is because I'm angry at people who refused to vote for Kamala. That means I deserve to be violently stabbed to death apparently.
Is it not liberals' agenda to retain some semblance of civil rights, while at the same time upholding foreign policy?
Gay Nazis are still Nazis.
You're dreaming of a state of affairs that doesn't exist.
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds
You contradict yourself, if "it's just fascism", then it was already fascism when the Democrats were doing it overseas
Trump’s doing both, while Kamala sure as hell would have ensured the former
Harris would've continued status quo, yes. But Trump wants to accelerate it. He wants all Palestinians out of Gaza so he can build a beach resort where their homes used to be. There is a non-zero chance of American boots on ground to help clear out any remaining Palestinians.
Good thing in the years leading up to October 7th, when Democrats were in office, we couldn't force Israel to adopt a one-state solution.
Obama, Biden, Harris, they're all complicit in the aggressive approach of Israel towards the apartheid and genocide they commit today.
And not just today. For the past 75+ years
Kamala will never beat Trump, shes crazy unpopular and neoliberalism is dead. You need an opposition to fascism, pretty simple.
No shit, but it wasn't available to vote for in the election. We can't vote with hopes and dreams because our system is fucked. All we can pick is the lesser of two evils.
Well of course she wouldn't, she's a woman and America is crazy sexist.
Biden did, with nothing but neoliberalism and status quo. So there, Americans want neoliberalism, they just don't want a woman in charge.
Hopefully he accelerates it so quickly that Americans will actually push back. And if they still aren't convinced to arm themselves and take to the streets at least they may start to use all their sick time and vacation time.
Lol at Americans pushing back at a genocide happening in another country
Never going to happen. It'll just be a more thorough and fast genocide with increased US government support. The primary difference is that now there's going to be TWO genocides because latinos in the US are another target. But of course Trump isn't any worse than Harris.
I’m so sick and tired of centrist liberals defending this corrupt USA that perpetuates the enslavement of the third world.
Luckily thanks to you and others like you they lost. Yay! Good job!
Now what?
Centrism will never bear fascism, you need actual opposition. Crazy how you all still dont realize this yet? How long will it take?
Now what?
Now you get to ignorantly blame progressives for what was, ultimately, a Democrat policy failure. Bonus - doing so drives a wedge between Democrats! Yay! Good job!
Now how about you do something fucking constructive.
Luckily thanks to you and liberals like you, instead of fighting back against the GOP in the 2 times these last 20 years where Democrats have had SUPER MAJORITIES in Congress, you passed half measures while playing identity politics.
We could have had meaningful, material improvements to people's lives, a good marker of de-escalation of violence, but instead the DNC, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and liberals clung to their monopoly on the only counter party to the fascists we have.
You all are still coping that you lost the 2024 election, and you're rutterless as to why
I have a clue: see what makes Zohran Mamdani so popular in New York. It has to do with rejecting the Democratic establishment and all the billionaire donors that back it
The irritating thing here is that so many people think we had other options available to vote for. I TRIED to vote for Bernie, DNC made sure that didn't happen, I WANT to vote for someone that doesn't support genocide, I WANT a candidate that says fuck Democrats, fuck Republicans, we are heading to the left full steam ahead. But that was never on the fucking ballot. And even if they were, we need all the sitting representatives and senators to be ousted too or they will have zero support institutionally and still get nothing done despite their position.
Yeah supporting genocide makes you unpopular crazy! surprise surprise fascism lite wont beat fascism. Kamala Harris will never beat Trump sorry
Wow. You really thought no accomplishments but arming a genocide was a winning message, huh?
Perfect is the enemy of better than the worst option
Your idea of perfection couldn't run. After all, he's the Israeli prime minister.
I don't think we have to issue death threats to liberals to get our point across.
You doing so are perpetuating the "tankie" stereotype.
Maybe imply it, but don't Fed post.
True!
The democrats had a choice between genocide and curbing fascism. Your savior party chose to starve kids over halt fascism. Why are "tankies" obligated to respect your bizarre utility calculation, but Kamala and the democrats are not?
What is your red line? Assuming in 30 years, when the choice is between a candidate who wants 9 genocides and a candidate who wants 10, will you still be militantly democrat? Is there no point at which you would start to call into question your genocidal, fascist, enslaving government?
Brain-dead take.
Choosing genocide over winning the election was the braindead take.
You are still here at this discussion in 2025? I don’t get it man, I really don’t.
Did you understand that Harris was giving you a little treat just to continue a genocide? I guess by your comment that you are fine if those brown kids starve as long as you can still buy your favourite triple mcburger. Right? (͡•_ ͡• )
Your single-issue principles contributed to us being stuck again with Trump.
And guess what? The kids are starving even worse now, and being gunned down, when they're not being bombed. You must be really proud of yourself.
Guess what? Kamala will never beat Trump. Turns out neoliberalism wont beat Fascism. All she had to do was be an actual opposition. Crazy. I know its so hard to be against genocide, so hard!
"Kamala will never beat Trump"
Yeah no shit because Democrats don't run again after being beaten, and literally nobody is calling for her to run again. Why do you keep saying this stupid shit, like we're all a bunch of Kamala fanboys and you've got some gotcha?
I know it’s hard to understand for you, but thank god I can’t vote in the states. I’m just telling you what it is, you can cover your eyes and ears if you like.
No you aren't. You are boiling a complex problem down to a singular issue as if there was some mystical way to vote or abstain and not continue to have genocide issues in Palestine. No matter if you didn't vote or voted for trump or voted for kamala this issue would still be there!
In this scenario the option isn't to lean full force into fascist theocracy and quite honestly, deeper genocide support with the republicans and Trump. The only reasonable choice was to mitigate all the other issues on the table.
I'm glad you can't vote here, because if you are too dumb to understand this dilema, then you are just like the people that contributed to this mess. So stay where you are please and thank you.
Why not go direct that pompous judgmental energy at people who actually voted for Trump, instead of spending your time berating people for not wanting to keep enabling the massively undemocratic 2-party system that led to fascism in the first place?
(Edit: I genuinely believe this subject gets astroturfed online, there is no way that there is really this big a percentage of cowards and dumbfucks out there who sincerely think that leftists are more to blame for Trump than actual Trump voters. Maybe you’re too timid to engage with Trump voters directly so it’s easier for you to stay in safe liberal spaces and bully the leftists there instead?)
Because the single-issue voters who refused to vote for Harris contributed to changing the 2-party system they had, to a 1-party system now.
Do 3rd party activism between election cycles, not when MegaHitler is close to being elected.
Edit: to whoever keeps replying to this old comment and getting banned: yes, genocide is an important issue. Now there's one more genocide and the old one is being accelerated because Trump wants a Gaza beach resort. But keep telling me how Trump is better than Harris.
You realize that you openly condone the rise the rapid spread of neo-fascism with the strawman argument of a single flawed foreign policy, right? (͡•_ ͡• )
Uff, how the fuck do not see that the united states always has been a fascist country? Now it’s just idiot-fascist and it will kill itself thank god.
And also single issue? Vietnam, Cambodia, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria (recently) and many more… does it look single to you? This is a global aggressive superpower committing worldwide atrocities.
Beginning to question the inherent wisdom of "Normal transition of power" when Biden handed the keys of the kingdom to a guy who openly planned to lock all the doors and shoot the next guy elected to walk through them.
But hey, I guess it would have been against the rules not to meekly empower a fascist dictatorship.
I hope you are being cheeky by saying 'beginning to', it was immensely obvious this was the plan going back to, at bare minimum, about a year before the election, when Trump just kept saying he was gonna serve 3 terms, his supporters wouldn't have to vote again, etc.
I disagree with Biden's handling of the transition, but it's definitely internally consistent with his beliefs. He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.
I would not be surprised if part of the intention here was to maintain legitimacy during the initial transfer, so that when the monsters refuse to do the same, it will lend legitimacy to a global response to assist the people in reclaiming their democracy.
Now, you could also call that 'passing the buck' and... Well, yes. He did seem to do too much of that, imo. Or not enough, depending on how you look at it.
He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.
Hence backing Al Qaeda in Syria, fleecing Afghanistan of it's currency reserves to kick off a famine, propping up a military dictatorship in The Philippines, all while continuing a 70 year old illegal blockade of Cuba? Never even mind the Holocaust in Gaza.
Come on, dude. The US has always been playing Calvinball with Rule of Law. If Biden made noises about it, that's just him delivering the company line one last time to the liberal rubes.
when the monsters refuse to do the same, it will lend legitimacy to a global response to assist the people in reclaiming their democracy.
That's pure cope.
Biden bent over backwards for the Silicon Valley mega-donors practically from day one, and they took full advantage until he was used up and disposed of.
He wasn't secretly plotting a resistance movement, he was carving up the country in advance so that Trump could sell it off easier.
To clarify, I am not a Biden supporter by any means. In fact, I place a lot of the blame for the fucked state of the world right now squarely on his shoulders. It would not be a stretch to say that I harbor a deep resentment for the man's work.
However, I do think there's a lot to learn from his career. Because as far as I can tell, the man genuinely seemed to be trying to improve the world for the average person. Thus, he clearly fucked up catastrophically, and there's a lot to learn from how and why.
The US disregard of the Rule of Law historically seemed to be one of his personal bugbears. At least from what I've seen of his accounts and those around them. I won't judge you if you want to discard him as a bumbling hypocrite, but we can learn the most from failure.
He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.
No, Biden did not. He actively broke it by financing Israel's genocide against international and domestic law.
I do find it strange that the people down voting are more upset about someone pointing out how Biden broke International and Domestic (Leahy) Law to finance a genocide than the actual genocide itself
You're right, that was awful and idealogically-rooted behavior justified in the name of liberal statecraft.
US support of Israel is a huge problem, and needs to stop. I am with you, and he should be held accountable for the part he played in that.
I love these comments that always place the blame on Biden, instead of you know, the actual fucking fascists. JFC.
For the record, the "actual fucking fascists" didn't materialize during this last election, or the one before it, or the one before it.. etc. I remember when the dems campaigned on "no human is illegal" in 2016 but by time of this last cycle, they were capitulating on immigration and the border to attract the elusive moderate republican to vote democrat.. a strategy that failed our democracy in the end.
So what. You wanted a dictatorship to stop a dictatorship. Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.
Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.
Once people who've sworn to end democracy are given the power to end democracy, then it's game over for democracy.
Preventing a corrupt criminal who's a known agent of a hostile foreign powers from becoming president is a healthy thing to do.
As would be preventing officials voted into office in a democracy but sooner. There is still a chance as of now as he has not stopped elections yet.
nah, it's over. It was gg for elections in November, and so many people like you didn't realize this. It's to late to prevent this. All we can do now is rebuild.
Congratulations, you just discovered the paradox of tolerance.
And, yeah, essentially, in order to survive, a democratic society cannot allow those who seek to destroy it to participate in the democratic process.
Nope. I have been aware of the paradox of tolerance for awhile and its a little shoehorning to put this situation into it. Your talking about a case of allowing an elected official to take office not tolerating speech.
An elected official who repeatedly stated and demonstrated his intention of preventing any future elections and destroying democracy.
An elected official, therefore, who should never have been allowed to run for office in the first place (this isn't the only reason he shouldn't have been allowed, of course, in a sane country he'd also been unelectable due to his criminal record, lack of any semblance of mental health, and intellectual insufficiency, but it's the most important).
You wanted a dictatorship to stop a dictatorship.
Given the current state of affairs, I'm not clear how a Permanent Biden-o-cracy was supposed to be worse.
Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.
Well, thank god we don't officially lose our Democracy for another eighteen months.
its worse because it would be 18 months sooner. Its like climate change. It won't help if we were at 5 degrees now instead of 1.5. That would not fix it.
Its like climate change.
Weird you would mention that in the context of a presidency that's effectively set himself to the task of nationally Rolling Coal.
I wanted the traitor coward Merrick Garland to do his motherfucking job and prosecute that POS and throw him in federal prison while making him completely unable to appear on any ballot.
Thanks for asking.
Garland did what he was hired to do. He slow walked the investigations so biden could run against trump again because biden knew he couldn't beat anyone better.
It has always been a dictatorship of the rich.
This is just taking the mask off.
That's right, if it's allowed to happen, it's pretty hard to come back from that
You wanted a dictatorship to stop a dictatorship.
[citation needed]
biden was happy as long as netanyahu was happy.
This, but unironically.
How would it have been breaking the law? According to the Supreme Court long before the election, any act a President does while in office is legal.
Just because something is legal doesn't make it right, and just because it's illegal doesn't mean that it's the right thing to do. It's illegal to donate or hand out food from your garden to the homeless - as pertains to the law stating that it's illegal to provide a better service than the government.
It's a civil war.
That's what they've been counting on. From over a year ago...
Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts said that the country is in the midst of a “second American Revolution” that will be bloodless “if the left allows it to be.”
I wish, but I don't have faith that enough liberal interests will give a shit. They've done little to stand against fascism and have sided with corporate interests every time.
Civil wars aren't typically fought by politicians. It's up to regular people.
Regular people who have been pacified by a lifetime of "violence isn't the answer" and "if you fight back, you're just as bad." I hope we find the will to resist, but I worry we're too far gone.
It'll take time for good people to lose the "anti-violence" dogma, but it'll happen; if only because it because it becomes an unavoidable fact of life.
This is what Alligator Auschwitz is really for.
America, your opportunity to stop this is narrowing and walking around with signs once a month on a weekend isn't gonna do it.
Every week, more people show up. I’m involved in local politics besides.
You’re slamming people for being involved. They are doing something being out there.
Forming connections at low stakes events like protests is exactly what people need to do. That lot talks like anyone who doesn't buy an AK and a red beret first thing is just wasting time.
Those people have been watching too many Hollywood movies. The next step after a protest march isn't going in guns blazing. It's holding an actual protest where you shut things down. Look at how the French do it. Organize. Resist. Disobey. Disrupt.
But work
I don’t think people understand what fascism really is. Fascism doesn’t obey the rule of law at all, it is fascism especially if it fights it. Once a fascist raise to power, you’re done, marching is useless now. Only guns.
It’s time for Americans to repay the world for all the horrendous atrocities they committed and show the world they are not like this. If they won’t, collapse is the right price to pay.
And please stop cry, none of the country you invaded “exporting democracy” whined like this. It’s really pathetic, especially because you did it to yourself, no invading country needed. Get your guns and start shooting.
It’s time for Americans to repay the world for all the horrendous atrocities they committed and show the world they are not like this. If they won’t, collapse is the right price to pay.
See, and here I was thinking that it's time for Germany, Japan, etc. to repay America by liberating us.
Absolutely, if you were attacked. But you weren’t, you elected a fascist rapist pedofile after committing atrocities after atrocities and now the world should “liberate” you? From what, your dementia?
I'm not slamming people for being involved. I'm slamming them for being ineffectual. A sign isn't going to stop a determined fascist.
The article says the constitution say a president can't change voting rules, but this president has the house, the senate and the judges.
Which he probably only has control of because of voter fraud
True, but now who's going to do anything about it?
Yeah but how many does it actually take?
That was a very weird article...
To the point I googled the source and apparently it's a 90 year old Maxist-Leninist newspaper. Which kind of explains the writing style and lack of sources.
They do have "left" lean, but it always feels off because those people also are super into authoritarianism. So it's less about presenting enough for someone to understand and form an opinion, and more like telling their readers an opinion along with a few facts that were found after the fact to be used to defend it.
To be clear; Trump's 1500% going to try and steal the election, but everyone already knows that. There is zero new information on the article and I'm pretty sure everyone that didn't vote for trump has came to the same conclusion...
Marxist/Leninists writing just always gives me something like the uncanny valley feeling. I don't care how it's dressed up, or if the person speaking/writing agrees with my existing opinion, I can't fucking stand them. I guess it's "the ick"
Better sources have been covering all of this for months already.
The two big things it references:
Save act:
The SAVE Act would require that individuals registering to vote show “documentary proof of United States citizenship,” including when they re-register after moving to a new state.
And an EO from 3/25 (that they didn't provide the name of:
President Donald Trump on Tuesday signed a sweeping executive action to overhaul U.S. elections, including requiring documentary proof of citizenship to register to vote in federal elections and demanding that all ballots be received by Election Day
They both do the same thing, and happened months ago...
But to be fair, I often overestimate how much a random person remembers. They're not wrong with their opinion on what all this means.
It's just the way they present it often feels too much like trump for the average person to listen.
Because of all the reasons I said in the last comment.
The ratio of sourced content to editorial rant is just too low. You have to really be committed to go through the article to figure out concretely what the hell they are taking about. Most of it is just reiterating how outrageous it is and how an alphabet soup of leftist organizations are either outages or should be outraged, and a vague list of the measures that are outrageous that is mostly focused on why it is outrageous rather than what the actual measures are. It eventually does concretely describe two things, the id requirement and the voting infrastructure audits, but that's a tiny fraction of the article.
Good news, you'll never have to feel the ick of an equitable economy or being part of a society that prioritizes the wellbeing of its citizenry over GDP here in the west.
Phew amirite? Enjoy capitalist paradise! Participation is voluntary*
*voluntary participation subject to dying in the gutter of exposure and capital defense force brutality if poor citizen fails to volunteer for capitalist exploitation. The owner class reserves all rights to kill you anyway if you threaten quarterly earnings estimates such as drawing on Healthcare benefits you paid into when you need to use them.
Nah. I'm an actual communist
My policy positions make Vladimir Lenin look like Hillary Clinton.
My problem with Marxist-Leninists, is the authoritarianism, which is the worst part about trump too.
Does it make sense now?
I think authoritarianism is bad, and even if an authoritarian agrees with me on every aspect of policy, I'll never be on their side.
It's a difference at a fundamental level.
Quick edit:
As simple as possible, they topped out at what people need to survive, a giant population of people getting just enough to live and work, to support a ruling class of politicians who were essentially oligarchs.
I think everyone should have enough to be comfortable because without that life is still miserable for 99.99% of the population, it's switching out one ruling class for another.
That's not a win, it's not changing the game. It's shuffling the cards and playing the same game we know isn't good.
Not even sure what that is, but anyone wanti g anarchism likely doesn't know what that means.
Like, if there's anarcho-luddittes out there who thinks we should completely destroy society and go back to living in the forest in tribes of ~150 people...
I wouldnt agree with them that it's the best path, but I wouldn't consider them hypocritical because at least they understand where anarchism would lead and are being honest about it
For everything else with "anarcho" tacked on the front, I feel it's safe to say I'd disagree with them without looking into what they're about.
I did go ahead and Google that before hitting reply, just to be safe since I honestly hadn't heard that term before.
And that's just putting trade unions in charge, which would end up the same as any other ruling class.
I'm saying there shouldn't be a ruling class at all.
My problem with Marxist-Leninists, is the authoritarianism
So you're an "actual communist" who never bothered to actually read anything Marx or Engels wrote.
Anyone who is surprised hasn’t been paying attention.
JuSt VoTe NeXt TiMe!!!
And every time I tell people we won't get a vote they laugh at me. Holy fuck, people just don't get how severe and horrible this administration is. We can't remove them for abuse of law, we can barely counter their worst abuses just to have them win in the end, and we're about to have them as dictators for life with no voting.
I honestly think the only solution is to leave this damned country. But guess what, unless you have a decent amount of money, that's out, too.
We're fucked
trump is getting more and more desperate as the days go on, when epstein files arnt released, and mounting pressure and more evidence showing up about his pedophelia, the tariffs arnt really distracting as it use to be, Also its not like elections were free or fair to begin with, significant tampering has been done by the gop on local,state and presidential for a while.
Trump figured out that there is nothing he cannot do. A little boo hop from the public and everybody moves on. He has proved that he is above the law and he damn well knows it. The 2nd greatest cult in history gives so much power to its leader and he knows it. Only Congress has power collectively to stop him and they already checked out of all morality and righteous authority in USA government a long time ago.
Guys. Come to terms with this. Just as the world came to terms with it 80 years ago with Germany. We are heading down that tunnel there is only one outcome of this. It gets much much worse before the actual tipping point happens.
I don't want to live in the world after that event. It will take decades to rebuild, if not centuries for the nuclear toxicity to return to safe levels.
No shock there. He told his supporters they'd never have to vote again.
If you are at all surprised by this I got some beach front property in Montana to sell you.
Buy guns. Buy ammo. Help others acquire guns and ammo.
Train. Help others train.
Form networks.
If lead isn't working, you haven't used enough of it. Can't have a problem if the problem-makers are all dead to a man. Or if necessary, to a child.
Let's say 500 of your closest neighbors and friends all buy AR-15s with the best optics money can buy and all the green tips you can eat. And you all secretly spend 60 hours a week drilling in modern combat.
What are you going to do against a tank? Or a jet? Or just artillery fire? And "hit and run" tactics don't work when there are cameras on every street corner and it is a trivial problem to track people back to their suburbs.
If The Right To Bear Arms were actually a threat to those in power then you can be damned sure it would have been repealed faster than a kindergartener can cry for their parents.
Resistance is important and I recommend you go to protests and actually talk with the organizers. No, not the ones who are thinking up catchy slogans or what cool costumes everyone can wear. The old hats. The ones who are actually pulling people however many steps back from the curb they need to be or who are looking for idiots with guns who will get everyone killed. Make some friends and go from there.
But all you are doing with "buy guns and train" is the same bullshit that republicans have been getting off on for decades. White people get to take hostages and occupy buildings. But in the eyes of the fascists? We're all n*****s.
What are you going to do against a tank? Or a jet? Or just artillery fire? And “hit and run” tactics don’t work when there are cameras on every street corner and it is a trivial problem to track people back to their suburbs.
I agree with everything except this. Those cameras are getting smashed day one. Jets and artillery are very unlikely to happen in our scenario here. APCs and AFVs? Oh absolutely, and we don't even need to have the military for that, even your podunk PD has armored vehicles now. But they're not as durable as a tank. Wheeled ones are more susceptible to mobility kills. Building dragon's teeth and porcupines isn't hard. And there are plenty of IED and urban warfare guides available, even from the US military...
- You very much underestimate how many cameras are out there or how reachable they are
- If you start building dragons teeth in bumfuck Wisconsin you are going to get mortared.
- If you start building dragons teeth in DC you are getting droned.
People who push this kind of thinking still think warfare is carried out and progresses like it did in the Napoleonic era: two orderly opposed fronts clashing head-to-head in theaters with well-defined boundaries - where the adversary with more guns/people/resources win. Because more guns/people directly equates to military power, right?
These folks would do well to spend even the slightest amount of time learning about fourth generational, guerilla war. The fact that bullets ping off of tank armor does not disprove guerilla war.
Let's take this meme back a couple hundred years and cast you as a counter revolutonary American at the onset of the revolutonary war.
/*Wants to have muskets to fend off british empire
/*british empire:
Starts to seem silly when you realize even our founding fathers were doing guerilla warfare not long ago.
During the American Revolutionary War/Napoleonic War, do you know what a local militia with muskets or even breach loading rifles were good for? Sending into the meat grinder and taking out with artillery.
The ONLY time The Holy Second Amendment was ever a threat to a government was, funny enough, "The Wild West" in the US. That brief window where logistics made deploying the military difficult but everyone and their mother had repeating rifles and pistols and could even get a gatling gun for not TOO much money. Which, funny enough, led to the rise in what were basically PMCs to take out said ruffians and has persisted to today in the form of the over-militarized police force and the idea that you need a full kill team in every village.
As for "Just fight a guerilla war": I am not interested in the American Revolutionary War (even though all the same arguments hold true...). The US and Russia have both bled and eventually abandoned countries like Afghanistan as the losses became too high to justify the occupation. But basically any time there was a stand up fight, they won overwhelmingly because of things like Helicopters, Tanks, and Artillery.
But then you look at groups like ISIS and warlords in Africa and the chaos that was left in the wake of South America. THOSE forces defeated their guerillas. Why? Because the occupying force actually gave a shit about the land and wanted to keep it. And they didn't care about public opinion on what they were doing (see also: Israel's genocide). Some kids run out of the woods, shoot a few people, scream "WILDCATS", and start macking? Cool. Go round up a dozen people in the town square and execute them. And make it clear that if said wildcats aren't turned over by next week, another dozen people will be executed. See how fast support for the guerillas goes away. Even better, you know they are hiding in the suburbs near Delancy Street? Set up a perimeter and go door to door executing people until you find them.
Which gets back to your super timely example from the 1700s. Where the Brits basically said "Fuck it, we don't care" due to the colonies being a whole ocean away and increasing unrest in India. And... India was a LOT more valuable than a bunch of jackasses who didn't want to pay taxes.
But hey. I am sure with your rifles you can totally lead a guerilla war that makes the republican government abandon the United States because casualties are too high, I guess? It worked for Captain Soap in Call of Duty maybe?
Buddy.
It sounds like your entire argument is "Do nothing because what's the point?"
You can do nothing and die if things escalate too far. That's your choice. The rest of us will do something. Because in the face of living under fascism, why the fuck wouldn't we?
An intelligent person would prepare for that eventuality. A dumb person spends their time throwing their hands up and trying to dissuade others from preparing.
What are you going to do against a tank? Or a jet? Or just artillery fire?
I'm going to say the same thing I say to everyone that brings this up thinking they've hit on some infallible logic.
Small arms are all you need to eliminate people at the top of command structures, thus collapsing those command structures. A sniper named Simo Häyhä had over 500 confirmed kills during WW2. His job was basically to find and kill officers. He survived the war. You can also look at the Vietnam War. The U.S. was technologically superior to the Vietnamese. We still lost and went home without our mission accomplished. Same thing in the Middle East. Never actually accomplished our goals. Went home. Because it's really hard to deal with enemies using guerilla tactics with typical firearms.
You don't seem to understand that protests, while important, don't make fascists stop being fascists. Force has always been required to put down fascist movements. If this goes far enough there will come a time when protests don't matter, at all. When that time comes are you gonna let a fascist put a bullet through the back of your skull or are you gonna pick up a firearm and do something? Can't do that if you don't have firearms. Can't do that if you haven't trained. Can't do that alone.
If this escalates far enough and people don't do as I suggested, there will be no resistance beyond protests, which won't be enough.
I literally just pointed out the "grab a gun and scream wildcats" fallacy below. Again, what is going to happen? The republicans will have experienced so many losses that they, what, pull out of the US and leave it to The Insurgents?
When that time comes are you gonna let a fascist put a bullet through the back of your skull or are you gonna pick up a firearm and do something?
Again, what are your rifles and even homemade molotovs going to do against tanks and drones and artillery? Sure, you'll kill a few soldiers on the ground. They will then pull back and bomb the fuck out of you. Or they'll just hop in the APC a shocking number of police stations have and run you down while watching tiktok on their phones
As for "just snipe officials": Wow. It really is THAT simple.
By the way, have you considered heading over to Gaza and teaching the Palestinians how to resist? They got guns and they got will. So really, the only problem is they aren't sniping the right people and killing enough soldiers per day for Israel to pull out, right? I mean, it isn't like there is a difference between a "peace keeping" force and occupiers who want to eradicate all resistance, right?
Then give up and die. That is your choice. I don't really care. You aren't useful in the scenario we're talking about so I'm not too concerned about what happens to you. You're dead weight.
Fuuuuck the empire. I’m not going to war for any of these twats.
Ah, choosing the camps, eh.
Historically, there are other options...
Here's how returning vets from WW2 handled political corruption and a sheriff stealing multiple elections but everyone in authority refused to do anything about it.
Bill White claimed he said "Boys, ... I'm going to tell them to bring the ballot box out of there, and if they don't we're gonna open up on them.' I hollered in there, I said, 'You damn thieve grabbers, bring them damn ballot boxes out of there.' That's just what I said. He didn't make a move down there and finally one of them said, 'By God I heard a bolt click.' Down there—one of them grabbers did, you know—they started scattering around. And I had a pistol in my belt with a shotgun. I had a shotgun and a rifle. And I pulled the pistol out and started firing down there at them. Well, when I did that, all that whole line up there started firing down there in there. A lot of them got in the jail, some of them didn't, some of them got shot laying outside. And the battle started."[4]: 21
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...
The whole story is worth a read, especially these days.
But it ended up with a bunch of dynamite, dead fascists, and a new sherrif...
Who made Bill White a deputy and he faced no charges.
Substitute one right winger for another? Nope. They’re all capitalist shitbags.
Now you’re upset because we’re shitting where we sleep. The rest of the world has been dealing with our shit for the past two centuries.
"There is nothing more important than stopping fascism because fascism will stop us all" - Fred Hampton
Liberalism will inevitably lead us back here again but at least we get to live to fight. Choosing not to fight because we're outnumbered and would have to ally with our enemies is choosing defeat.
You’re right, but I’m content with watching the whole thing crumble.
What is in this article that we didn't already know? Is there any new legislation in process of being passed? This just sounds like the same playbook we used for the 2024 election to me.
They were revealed in 2021.
Fucking Russia and CCP run China in the USA. That is some 3rd World crap right there and the Blue States should tell Canada to annex them ASAP.
The economic crash if that happens is going to be sweet.
Economic crash is happening anyway
I'd be an 'optimist' if I could catch up with them, but they are moving the goal posts too fast.
Thank you tankies for putting your feelings above the national grave threat all to feel morally superior.
I don't see how tankies are to blame for the overwhelming majority of our country's most powerful people deciding that they support a fascist coup.
Even if we pretend that 2024 was a free and fair election, the electorates that could've swung it weren't bastions of non-voting authoritarian socialists.
Trump still would have won in 2024 even if everyone had turned out to vote
Also, how screwed do your priorities have to be to think you’re living in a country in the middle of a fascist takeover and also that a good use of your or anyone else’s time is to blame people who agree with you, who also could not have prevented this? Crab bucket shit.
You know that are other countries in the world right? And now the MAJORITY of the countries in the world hate the US?
So… yes my feelings are above your pathetic puppet state and I feel way way morally superior than bombing civilians and blackmail the world into agreeing with me. Yes.
You’re welcome.
You mean the rest of the world that's looking at the genocide and saying, "That's tragic. Oh well?"
Get over yourself you ignorant child.
No, only the few key politicians that Israel/US are blackmailing say “Oh, well” while everyone else is against it.
Americans elected repeatedly pro-Israeli candidates, last election was between “we commit genocide in the open” and “we secretly commit genocide, you will sleep well tho”. Brave country.
More like we don't approve of genocide in bombing and displacing civilians versus we approve of genocide by actively starving them out.
Kinda a big difference. One could at least give push back versus the other who tactidly supports this kind of gross behavior.
"tankie" truly does just mean "anyone to the left of the Democrats"
Elections are safe and secure. This was established in 2020, so there is nothing to see here.
"...So far, other than the report itself, by the Brennan Center for Law and Justice at New York University, there’s been little—or little-noticed—response. "
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Thats why other countries are doing it that way. The problem is, that the US system makes it very difficult to get an ID for its long list of undesireables. And with that I mean everyone, who is not white, heteronormative, cis and not-poor. If the US fixes these problems and issues IDs for every of its citizens, then requiring the ID for voting is a good idea. Unfortunately that is a big big If, carrying a lot of weight.
Yeah, I don't get that one either. Granted, I'm not registered or ever plan to vote unless/until direct democracy exists, but how do they determine if you're in the right district, precinct, etc. without confirming your identity? I would think that making sure people are doing things correctly and fairly would be a thing most people that aren't trying to cheat the system would want.
It's because we don't have a FREE federal ID. There is no mechanism by which someone with no money can get any identification paperwork. If that were possible, I agree requiring an ID would be good, but until then it just weeds out the poorest.
you guys have to pay for your government ID? wtf?
Yes. Yes we do. Passport costs money. Driver’s license costs money. Green card costs money. Getting to any of these places that distribute them costs money and you need like 4-5 different documents to prove who you are (other IDs, bills with your residence, etc).
All of that is probably the “easy” stuff to get.
Firstly, free anything sounds very un-american.
More generally though, that doesn't really solve the problem.
People living in poverty often just don't have the time, access, and / or mental acuity to attend to this type of personal administration stuff.
If you're living hand-to-mouth, it's just not a priority... you can't eat your ID.
If you don't have a home it may be difficult to obtain an ID, and if you have one it might be difficult to keep it.
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