YSK that if US housing and population projections hold, the Electoral College map will change after the 2030 census.

a year ago by Davriellelouna to c/youshouldknow

scintilla 118 points a year ago

The cap on HoR seats is possibly one of the worst things that have ever happened in american democracy.

path: 0 19087904, hotness: undefined, score: 118, children: 6
Feyd 29 points a year ago
path: 0 19087904 19088122, hotness: undefined, score: 29, children: 0
DrBeerFace 29 points a year ago

1000% true. Makes it so much easier for unpopular, minority ideas to make a much bigger impact because it limits voting power of the majority. Without the current arbitrary limit, you'd set the number of congressmen each state gets by the least populous state divided by 3 (since each state gets 2 senators and at least 1 representative). That state is Wyoming and they have just under 600,000 people. With 1 congressman per 200,000 people, California alone would have 196 representatives and 2 senators.

The best option is to rewrite the constitution and put some population restrictions on state representation in Congress (because why does a state with less people in it that the unrepresented city of Washington DC have 3 congressmen?!). But as that seems very far away, the best thing that would be done is to get rid of the cap on representatives and let all Americans have an equal (representative) vote in Congress.

Plus with 1,555 representatives (plus 100 senators) we can loosen the two party stranglehold on this country.

path: 0 19087904 19088845, hotness: undefined, score: 29, children: 0
ayyy 5 points a year ago

It’s incredible to me just how many people don’t even know it’s a thing! Schools still just uncritically teach that the house has proportional representation, but it simply doesn’t!

path: 0 19087904 19105259, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 3
ryathal 1 point a year ago

It has proportional representation, it's just really big portions.

path: 0 19087904 19105259 19126617, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 2
ayyy 3 points a year ago

No, a vote is literally worth more in Iowa than it is in California. It’s not proportional.

path: 0 19087904 19105259 19126617 19129885, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 1
ryathal -1 points a year ago

Each vote is approximately equal in the house which is the proportional body.

path: 0 19087904 19105259 19126617 19129885 19132455, hotness: undefined, score: -1, children: 0
butwhyishischinabook 46 points a year ago

As a leftie who moved to one of those red states, please come help. We can flood these places with enough people to tip them, we just need to stop with fatalistic bullshit about how these states are "beyond all hope." No they're fucking not. Get out of your comfort zone, do your duty to our democracy, and ffs stop self sorting into deep blue states. Staying where it's blue is easy but it doesn't do much good.

path: 0 19091276, hotness: undefined, score: 46, children: 9
Azal 32 points a year ago

As a leftie who moved to a red state a decade ago, welcome to the suck. It only gets worse.

path: 0 19091276 19094385, hotness: undefined, score: 32, children: 1
butwhyishischinabook 5 points a year ago

Lol I know, I know. I'm not a decade in yet, but it's been a good half decade and it's definitely... an experience.

path: 0 19091276 19094385 19100663, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 0
Zirconium 14 points a year ago

Of those in red states during presidental elections, they are around 25-35% of voters that voted for a Democrat president. And there's a big untouched potential with nonvoters who aren't convinced by either political party. There's no reason to give up on any state

path: 0 19091276 19091846, hotness: undefined, score: 14, children: 0
Raiderkev 10 points a year ago

Ngl, I just spent a week in Indiana. Hate to say it, but the vibe was truly "beyond all hope."

path: 0 19091276 19094509, hotness: undefined, score: 10, children: 0
StarryPhoenix97 4 points a year ago
path: 0 19091276 19094104, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 2
bamboo 4 points a year ago

YSK that if they have kids, that doesn't give them more votes. The kids can't vote until they're 18.

path: 0 19091276 19094104 19094349, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 1
GreenKnight23 7 points a year ago

YSK Bush was last in office in 2009. he instituted changes in government that have allowed and even empowered the fascist takeover.

2009 was 16 years ago. there are still 8 more years behind his last day where plenty of Americans are now voting age.

a surprising amount of millennials and genz voters are trump supporters.

path: 0 19091276 19094104 19094349 19094463, hotness: undefined, score: 7, children: 0
dejected_warp_core 1 point a year ago

You need people to move into the countryside, ideally where they aren't selling land or building houses, and there's no jobs. Plus it may well be an environment that will gerrymander the hell out of any such transplants if they happen to clump up.

I'm not saying it's a bad plan, but it's a hail-mary pass at best, and you need a lot of people to do this. Consider what the Libertarians tried with New Hampshire a while back: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Project

path: 0 19091276 19489546, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 1
butwhyishischinabook 2 points a year ago

That's true, although there are a good number of purple metro areas in red states. That's where I moved and it's maybe not as effective as moving to the middle of nowhere, but it's a hell of a lot better than casting another blue vote in the deep blue area I was raised in.

path: 0 19091276 19489546 19490272, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
gdog05 32 points a year ago

Something missing from the displayed data, not sure if the article goes into it (not going through NYT paywall bullshit to find out) but Idaho, Utah and Texas will very likely gain a blue voting electoral college vote. If, after this Trump bullshit concludes (providing it concludes), we don't have a major overhaul of how elections work including a change to first past the post, we kind of deserve fascism or all out civil war.

path: 0 19087287, hotness: undefined, score: 32, children: 11
baronvonj 28 points a year ago

Texas will very likely gain a blue voting electoral college vote.

eh? Not sure I'm understanding you. EC votes in Texas are winner-takes-all.

path: 0 19087287 19087744, hotness: undefined, score: 28, children: 2
gdog05 4 points a year ago

You're right, we've got several states, mostly Republican leaning, that are winner take all. But these extra blue seats could potentially allow for an entire state swing in some states as yaroto98 pointed out. If it doesn't do that, what it will do is piss enough people off because they're not represented to get the groundswell needed to force changes.

path: 0 19087287 19087744 19088077, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 1
baronvonj 16 points a year ago

Only 2 states have proportional EC votes (Maine and Nebraska). So we'd have to get Democratic candidates winning the statewide vote.

A lot of the people moving to red states from blue are actually conservatives who want to live somewhere with Republican governments. In 2018 Beto won with native Texans but Republican-voting transplants tipped it for Cruz. I think we already have the overall population demographics to flip, if we could just get enough people to actually come out and vote.

path: 0 19087287 19087744 19088077 19091407, hotness: undefined, score: 16, children: 0
kmartburrito 12 points a year ago

Thank you for pointing out the issues with fptp - so many people don't understand just how big of an issue it really is. We will never see the change we want (or honestly any real change at all) without abandoning it. Not to diminish your other valid points, I just have a particular passion about that one.

path: 0 19087287 19087382, hotness: undefined, score: 12, children: 0
yaroto98 9 points a year ago

Yep, most of the people leaving those blue states are leaving due to high cost of living and going to cheaper states. The HCOL means they're likely from metropolitan areas, meaning they're likely democrat voters. Very few of them are going to rural areas, they're going to cities in the cheaper states. This will have a bigger impact on presidential elections than congress, due to gerrymandered maps. It might be enough to flip these states as they're all-or-nothing states.

path: 0 19087287 19087873, hotness: undefined, score: 9, children: 6
Know_not_Scotty_does 19 points a year ago

They are in for a shock if they come to Texas thinking is cheaper. The property taxes and insurance on houses is crazy here and can be counted on to increase at 10% per year. I went back and looked at my homeowners policy from 2016 vs 2025 and I started out paying $1600 per year and just paid $4800 for worse coverage this year. No claims or anything, I don't live near the coast, not in a flood zone, not in a forest, no history of damaging hail, roof was replaced in 2016.

path: 0 19087287 19087873 19087932, hotness: undefined, score: 19, children: 3
IllNess 16 points a year ago

Also having no state income tax doesn't mean you take more home, it means companies adjust the salary so you basically take home the same or even less. Sales tax is also high, about the same as NYC and SF.

path: 0 19087287 19087873 19087932 19088269, hotness: undefined, score: 16, children: 1
njm1314 3 points a year ago

Plus way less services.

path: 0 19087287 19087873 19087932 19088269 19092081, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
yaroto98 3 points a year ago

I bet it is getting more expensive, but it probably hasn't hit the same heights as silicon valley/san francisco where a small condo is 1mil.

path: 0 19087287 19087873 19087932 19088024, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
Skullgrid 8 points a year ago

This will have a bigger impact on presidential elections than congress, due to gerrymandered maps. It might be enough to flip these states as they’re all-or-nothing states.

great, so more "I'm a blue president, but yikes, we don't has congress :( pwease vote in midterms for us to deliver our promises" presidents.

path: 0 19087287 19087873 19088396, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 1
yaroto98 8 points a year ago

Yep! Always expect more excuses from the govt. Just like your boss telling you the economy is bad so they can't give you a raise despite pulling in record profits, you really can't get a raise because they answer to investors not you. The govt answers to donors not voters. So any excuse to not do something for you will be used. Regardless of the political pins they wear.

path: 0 19087287 19087873 19088396 19088494, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 0
FreshParsnip 30 points a year ago

Like there'll be elections in 2032

path: 0 19092707, hotness: undefined, score: 30, children: 0
Skyrmir 20 points a year ago

This is assuming we still have a congress in 2030. And if we do, that electoral votes will matter, or happen.

path: 0 19088781, hotness: undefined, score: 20, children: 3
FundMECFS 12 points a year ago

They will always happen. The illusion of democracy is valuable even to the fascists.

Whether they mean anything, or ever meant anything, is the question.

path: 0 19088781 19088945, hotness: undefined, score: 12, children: 2
Skyrmir 3 points a year ago

I suspect they are going to fail at that illusion. And the results of that failure will be very violent.

path: 0 19088781 19088945 19091269, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
Master167 1 point a year ago

It took the Emperor 20 years to remove the Senate in Star Wars.

path: 0 19088781 19088945 19099043, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
njm1314 11 points a year ago

Who the hell is even moving to Utah? It sucks.

path: 0 19092064, hotness: undefined, score: 11, children: 2
Not_mikey 2 points a year ago

Mormons and skiers, also a decent amount getting born there too. There fertility rate may not be positive but it's a lot better then the other states so they're relatively gaining population.

path: 0 19092064 19104554, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
sausager 1 point a year ago

Out of the 4 reds it's the best option, tho. Those places are hell

path: 0 19092064 19104199, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
13igTyme 10 points a year ago

The electoral college map changes after every 10 year census.

path: 0 19092723, hotness: undefined, score: 10, children: 3
WraithGear 6 points a year ago

or when the president wants it to it seems

path: 0 19092723 19100417, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 2
13igTyme 2 points a year ago

That's just the districts. The number of reps is census bases and changes every 10 years because we do a census poll every 10 years.

path: 0 19092723 19100417 19104514, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 1
ayyy 2 points a year ago

No, Trump ratfucked the last census in Dem states to undercount the population on purpose. Source: I lived through it. There were some headlines when it happened, but the fuckery wasn’t discussed that much since everyone was dying of COVID. He just outright fired census workers before they could finish counting people in their assigned areas.

path: 0 19092723 19100417 19104514 19105285, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
HubertManne 8 points a year ago

Just because a state has historically voted a particular way does not mean new people to the state will vote that way.

path: 0 19092216, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 4
quick_snail 1 point a year ago

See white flight and pandemic relocation

path: 0 19092216 19105062, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 3
HubertManne 2 points a year ago

Yeah I just so want to see red state americans to wake up and see a massive flip in the midterms in their strongholds. Yes. I know. I fantasize a lot.

path: 0 19092216 19105062 19105147, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 2
quick_snail 2 points a year ago

I dream about democracy.

You know, abolition of slavery, electoral college, and first past the post voting.

path: 0 19092216 19105062 19105147 19105907, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 1
HubertManne 2 points a year ago

Wow. You do dream big.

path: 0 19092216 19105062 19105147 19105907 19105980, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
InfiniteHench 7 points a year ago

Bold of you to assume the Electoral College will still exist in 2030, or even 2028.

path: 0 19090717, hotness: undefined, score: 7, children: 0
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 7 points a year ago

that's the point of the census

path: 0 19103993, hotness: undefined, score: 7, children: 0
PhilipTheBucket 7 points a year ago

Man, some wild shit is going to happen before 2032. All of this is one scenario, yes, maybe, but this stuff is like weather forecasting on the Titanic at this point.

path: 0 19091468, hotness: undefined, score: 7, children: 0
quick_snail 6 points a year ago

If it doesn't get abolished, I don't care.

path: 0 19105028, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 0
PhilipTheBucket 4 points a year ago

It is funny that in Piefed this topic is classified under "Chilling"

path: 0 19091475, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
Fades 4 points a year ago

Our democracy is gone and it isn’t coming back anytime soon. With that said, please vote. Midterms are our last actual chance to hold on

path: 0 19089564, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
umbrella 3 points a year ago
path: 0 19100227, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 2
captain_aggravated 3 points a year ago

No, this would almost certainly be a symptom of the Republic functioning more or less correctly. I'll get to what that means in a moment.

Each state gets exactly two senators and at least one congressman. If the state has a large population, it gets more congressmen, which is why, say, Virginia has more congressmen than Wyoming does despite Wyoming being physically larger. Nobody lives in Wyoming.

Well, what if a large number of people move out of Virginia and move into Wyoming? Why should the state of Virginia keep representatives for people it no longer has? This is a major reason we do a census every ten years.

There is some rot to be removed here: The number of representatives was capped, so instead of "count your population, divide by 100,000 and send that many representatives) or whatever, there's this weird algorithm where "everyone gets one, and then we rank the states by how many people are represented per congressman. The one with the biggest people to congressman ratio is issued another congressman, until they've all been distributed." Which still makes it kinda goofy.

path: 0 19100227 19106928, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 1
umbrella 0 points a year ago
path: 0 19100227 19106928 19122635, hotness: undefined, score: 0, children: 0
acockworkorange 2 points a year ago

What kind of Roman numerals are R, N, and Y?

path: 0 19091849, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 1
Nemo 3 points a year ago

Yes, I'm from the great state of 3.

path: 0 19091849 19091942, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
protogen420 2 points a year ago

Ill best state

path: 0 19093509, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
youshouldknow
youshouldknow

@lemmy.world

login for more options
47965
781
4032

YSK - for all the things that can make your life easier!

The rules for posting and commenting, besides the rules defined here for lemmy.world, are as follows:

Rules (interactive)


Rule 1- All posts must begin with YSK.

All posts must begin with YSK. If you're a Mastodon user, then include YSK after @youshouldknow. This is a community to share tips and tricks that will help you improve your life.



Rule 2- Your post body text must include the reason **WHY** YSK:

In your post's text body, you must include the reason "Why" YSK: It’s helpful for readability, and informs readers about the importance of the content.



Rule 3- Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here.

Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here. Breaking this rule will not get you or your post removed, but it will put you at risk, and possibly in danger.



Rule 4- No self promotion or upvote-farming of any kind.

That's it.



Rule 5- No baiting or sealioning or promoting an agenda.

Posts and comments which, instead of being of an innocuous nature, are specifically intended (based on reports and in the opinion of our crack moderation team) to bait users into ideological wars on charged political topics will be removed and the authors warned - or banned - depending on severity.



Rule 6- Regarding non-YSK posts.

Provided it is about the community itself, you may post non-YSK posts using the [META] tag on your post title.



Rule 7- You can't harass or disturb other members.

If you harass or discriminate against any individual member, you will be removed.

If you are a member, sympathizer or a resemblant of a movement that is known to largely hate, mock, discriminate against, and/or want to take lives of a group of people and you were provably vocal about your hate, then you will be banned on sight.

For further explanation, clarification and feedback about this rule, you may follow this link.



Rule 8- All comments should try to stay relevant to their parent content.

Rule 9- Reposts from other platforms are not allowed.

Let everyone have their own content.



Rule 10- The majority of bots aren't allowed to participate here.

Unless included in our Whitelist for Bots, your bot will not be allowed to participate in this community. To have your bot whitelisted, please contact the moderators for a short review.



Rule 11- Posts must actually be true:

Disinformation, trolling, and being misleading will not be tolerated. Repeated or egregious attempts will earn you a ban. This also applies to filing reports: If you continually file false reports YOU WILL BE BANNED! We can see who reports what, and shenanigans will not be tolerated. We are not here to ban people who said something you don't like.



Rule 12- Linking directly to a video as a source is not acceptable.

Video only posts are responsible for an outsized portion of rules violations. Your post must contain text and meet the requirements of the previous rules.



Rule 13- If you file a report, include what specific rule is being violated and how.

Partnered Communities:

You can view our partnered communities list by following this link. To partner with our community and be included, you are free to message the moderators or comment on a pinned post.

Community Moderation

For inquiry on becoming a moderator of this community, you may comment on the pinned post of the time, or simply shoot a message to the current moderators.

Credits

Our icon(masterpiece) was made by @clen15!

go to feed...