The more I live through it, the more I am buying into belief that history doesn’t repeat, but it sure as hell rhymes..
We are currently experiencing our own twist on the “Roaring ‘20s”, an not particularly looking forward to what the next next couple of decades will bring.
Oh, you wish.. things can still get a lot worse from here for a whole mess of us. There is still blood that the Top 0.1% have not yet squeezed from the stone.
Nah, what we're experiencing is more in line with the early 1930s. In Germany.
"As long as he's in charge" and beyond. That orange clown proved the world that with the current political system in the US, no deal make sense. Every accord is useless, a visa means nothing. The first lunatic president can change the rules on a whim, it's not safe to do business or even to travel to the US. Even if the current dictator is overthrown by a smart and sane person, without changing deeply all the political system, everything can disappear at the next election.
It's appropriate that corporate barons in airlines, hotels and restaurant industries that have long funded Republicans for deregulation and union busting and poverty wages. They're now getting the full side of the coin which includes:
- their chosen party destroying perceptions of safety and desirability to popular tourist destinations by claiming they are warzones while he deploys precious military resources to create said zones,
- their chosen party arresting, deporting and discouraging the employment base of hotels and restaurants. No one else is going to do the work.
- their chosen party doing incalculable damage to the reputation of the US higher education system and it's reputation by removing science and academic freedom norms by trying to politicize science, admission and revoke the first amendment.
- their chosen party during travel into dystopian reality where social media accounts, your sexuality or your political beliefs determine how or whether you may be admitted to the US.
Airlines will be devastated with reduction in local (poverty wages, can't afford flights) and international travelers. Hotels will suffer as they should. I hope restaurant owners are decimated.
Have the economy and society you voted for you greedy, selfish, disgusting fucks.
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Whole list of things where the rules were put in for a reason, but people forgot the reasons, and now they want to get rid of them. Sometimes while calling GK Chesterton a conservative intellectual and forgetting about his fence analogy.
Why, yes, it was all shaving the sharpest edges off of capitalism. It was the only way this system could even possibly work, and they're dismantling it.
There are different factions of oligarchs. The Trump administration has been extremely generous to mass-market quack-cure hucksters, legacy media, purveyors of intrusive surveillance tech of all kinds, crypto con artists, religious and home-schooling snake-oil salesmen, venture capitalists, private equity weasels, private prisons and fossil-fuel extractors. They have been unhelpful and often hostile to health care, hospitality and travel, agriculture, science, education, and the renewable energy sector.
It really doesn't matter. The oligarchs that weren't installing Republican fascists were ratfucking the Democratic party. They are as responsible for Trump as anyone. When the whole economy became a scam, it was inevitable that the country would fall to a scam artist.
Oh, we're not coming back.
You should come over to Europe. We have nice food and democracy (in most places. Fuck Orban).
I don't think Europe wants me, and the money it would take is likely ~15k? I will never have that much money in savings again, I briefly did when I was living with parents when I was younger but these days like... lol
Northern Europe is made up almost exclusively of forests and mountains. If you like warmer weather, you can buy an entire abandoned village in Portugal or Italy for pocket change.there are also extensive old growth Forrest's all over central and eastern Europe.
Who the fuck thought it was going to improve after summer?
Wait until next summer when he is stoking riots in the streets of every American city so that he can declare Martial Law and suspend the mid-term election. I'm sure they'll all want to come and watch that shit show.
Every month brings us closer to natural causes.
uhhh yeah that's what we've been saying
we're not coming back. fuck you guys. give us a solid decade of excellent behaviour and make up for your threats to take us over, and we'll consider thinking about making a plan to return
It's going to take years to recover, decades even, if ever.
Nothing I hear from my friends in Canada or Europe say otherwise. They're all willing to dig in their heels and avoid this country like the plague.
Indefinitely.
Even if we elect (heh, like there'll be real elections going forward) someone else, this stain will stay with us for generations until people forget or forgive, and that's going to take time, if it ever happens in our lifetimes.
America doesn't even want its own citizens, just their dollars. It's a shit country.
The Biden administration were too cowardly to do that "reconciliation," so here we are.
IF we get another chance, and we will, one way or another, we won't make that mistake again. If they manage to regain power AGAIN, it will be much much worse, so we have to avoid it by cracking down with such tremendous ferocity, they will NEVER dare to try it again.
None ever liked dealing with US immigrations anyway.
Yeah I'm coming into your country to go to Disneyland, of course I'm not a terrorist, what a stupid question. Yeah, feel free to drop my iPad, it only cost 2 weeks of earnings, I'm sure I don't mind.
It’s going to take years to recover, decades even, if ever.
People were vacationing in Japan and Germany practically before the smoke cleared. There's a few very wild stories of Americans trying to vacation in Afghanistan and Iraq shortly after the US invaded. Trumpism is a bulwark against a tidal wave of foreigners looking to come to America to party. It will be as effective, long term, as his Wall was in keeping out migrant labor.
Even if we elect (heh, like there’ll be real elections going forward) someone else, this stain will stay
FFS, North Korea has a tour guide program - practically by way of attrition. Simply easier for them to formalize the process rather than deal with all the adventure seeking lunatics trying to get smuggled in through the back country.
Las Vegas isn't any more stained than Dubai or Cairo. The only difference is that the UAE and the Egypt Dictatorship actively court tourists, while the current American DHS seems hell bent on keeping wealthy tourists out.
The North Korean tour program is much more a propoganda play than anything to with them acknowledging that people are going to try to sneak in anyway. It very intentionally only shows tourists the most inoffensive parts of the country.
The North Korean tour program is much more a propoganda play
You could just as easily say that of any city sponsored tour of Washington DC (or, really, any major municipality with a budget for self-promotion). FFS, that's the core of Israeli Birthright trips.
The difference is that North Koreans generally didn't want any kind of tourism for decades. They were openly hostile to it in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Modern touring of Pyongyang is a concession to deal with the huge number of foreigners desperately curious to see inside. You're not visiting because the NK government has tricked you into coming to visit. You're visiting because you're captivated by all the crazy stories you've heard from SK, Japan, and the US, and you want to evaluate them firsthand.
It very intentionally only shows tourists the most inoffensive parts of the country.
Coming from a country in which we are regularly told everyone in North Korea is on the verge of starving to death at any given moment, the idea that you can walk through the country and not see lines of emaciated homeless children stretching to the horizon is perception-shattering.
Naturally, the US response is to insist our propaganda is true and the Koreans are just trying to trick you into believing otherwise. Even being on the ground and staring at crowds of people living normal lives isn't enough to shake some people's convictions. And that leads the more manic folks to try and sneak off, to hassle locals, and to shake them down until they reveal the horrifying truth you've been told is just on the other side of what you've been told is a crude Potemkin display.
What really gets me is the YouTube videographiers who have to literally walk up to storefront and push on the walls to prove they're not cardboard, to sample the food to prove its not all a wax display, and to grill locals to prove they aren't actors. Even then, the comments sections are full of people shouting "Fake! Fake! Fake!"
That whole surreal stubborn disbelief - that North Korea is real and not just an elaborate Kubrick contrived sound stage - is a big part of what brings in thousands of tourists every year to see a country that's... kinda boring on any close inspection.
Wow, talk about bullshit propaganda. Yeah, go to NK and try and venture away from the “allowed” areas or take video of things you aren’t explicitly show and see what happens. NK visits are ALL propaganda.
The difference between a tour of DC and a tour of Pyongyang is that you are allowed to just leave the city and go where ever you want in the US, so long as access isn't restricted because it's a literal military base. Thing's aren't great everywhere in the US, just as with every country, but at least the US doesn't have a state censorship machine preventing people from talking about the less well off people (well, not yet anyway).
Most countries are kinda boring on close inspection.
There's a big difference between adventure seekers, and regular tourists. The difference isn't the existence of tourists because sure, there will always be tourists coming to America - the difference is the number of tourists.
There’s a big difference between adventure seekers, and regular tourists.
Mostly by degrees. But piping your adventure seekers through a managed tour program tends to curb the number of people who die trying to scale a mountain the wrong time of year with no search and rescue on hand.
the difference is the number of tourists
The US does a great job of heavily subsidizing its tourist industry, making a vacation to somewhere like Vegas or Miami or Lower Manhattan far cheaper than it has any right to be.
It's difficult to subsidize vacations to Vegas or Miami enough to offset the risk of being stuffed in a holding cell at the border.
Lol who tf are these experts!?!? I coulda told you that for half the price!
I will do it for free Tidy Cats
The World Travel & Tourism Council projected ahead of Memorial Day that the U.S. would be the only country among the 184 it studied where foreign visitor spending would fall in 2025.
I see... so this is what Makes America Great Again. Falling tourism spending.
MAGAts hate foreign tourists, they make the US locals feel poor.
No shit. The whole "potentially being arrested and thrown into a concentration camp because you tweeted something the president doesn't like" thing kinda puts a damper on tourism.
Who wants to go to all the trouble of planning an expensive vacation, pay out a lot for tickets and hotels and such, only to get off the plane, and be refused entry because they are demanding to go through your social media?There goes your vacation, and your money.
Fuck it, if I'm European, we're heading to Thailand or the Caribbean for the next few years.
Tourists could also go to North Korea, but for some reason it doesn't draw crowds, I wonder why.
I don't think it will, it will rebound but I doubt it ever will fully. Why the hell would you pay money to come to this shithole of a country? I live here and I laugh at that idea.
Like sure come risk getting deported to a random country on your vacation...?
yes and it occupies the lands of an amazing diversity of indigenous peoples too :( may they prosper in the ruins of this empire!
Who would want to go to a facist dictatorship run by a deranged pedofile game show host?
Well that's what happens when the difference between you and North Korea is the quality of available Kimchi.
Kimchi is definitely more available in the US than in NK, just like every other kind of food.
I'm not going to the US while the turd is still in charge
When douche sandwich gets in though, i'm going to disneyworld
jk, i've actually lost interest in the US entirely tbh
Both are true.
Millions did vote for him. And millions are going along with it.
I lived there for 3 years. Donald Trump is not a mind control expert or evil genius. He's just a guy who tells people what they want to hear and most of the country agrees with him. Most Americans are xenophobic and have never been outside of the Greatest Country™.
and vegas is pretty hard hit, especially since they were declining for many years already.
If it weren't for... motions to everything all of this, they were in the middle of reinventing themselves.
We took a family vacation there last year and had a hoot. Area 15, Red Rock Canyon, Valley of Fire, Hoover dam, No lack of family-friendly shows, alien tourist traps, a ghost town, grand Canyon spots, the sphere. If you're looking for sex and gambling, it still exists, but you don't have to walk down the street beside it for the most part.
There is no water, Las Vegas will most certainly die.
Water is not a detail and it isn't an option that can be ignored. Combined with brutal heatwaves that will crash their powergrid and leave at risk people in a lethal situation with no air conditioning necessary to save their life... yes, Las Vegas will absolutely die, it is just a reality of natural systems we threw into chaos.
The Southwest United States is currently facing its worst megadrought of the past 1,200 years. According to a recent study from The University of Texas at Austin, the drought could continue at least until the end of the century, if not longer.
Although some scientists anticipate that natural climate variability will bring relief, new research suggests that ongoing warming could be disrupting the natural rhythm of an important climate cycle that brings needed rain to the region.
https://www.jsg.utexas.edu/...
I mean I am sure some semblance of the place will exist but as we know it? no...
Same position, shut this shit down, it is going to be painful living inside it but it is absolutely necessary.
Narrator: But that was only the beginning.
I expect a sudden uptick once the bastard croaks. Lots of visitors straining to keep control of their overfilled bladders and bowels long enough to reach the front of the line at his grave. Looking forward to seeing you all there.
I don’t. Remember it’s Thiel who is running the show as the puppeteer. The child rapist is just his puppet. Puppets can easily be replaced.
I will never go to the states again in this or any other lifetime.
Everyone has their line I guess ? I stopped going after 9/11. They went full pants on head crazy after that. I'd lived their for a short time in the 1990s (North East near Boston) and had visited several times.
My point, most will just rationalise, forget, adjust and start going again.
Good. This needs to happen. So the clueless can finally accept that the US isn't the best. We as a people think we are the best fighters. We are really the biggest losers. Except perhaps for one shining moment right after WWII. Then we decided to become the worlds peacekeeper and have consistently lost every conflict since then.
Come on tell me those that disagree. Tell me one we won like we won in Germany and Japan. Where we ended up will allies instead of more enemies.
We are gonna lose this fight. The tourist can go anywhere in the world why would they come here?
Why would it? The problem is still there. Even if Trump was gone tomorrow the Republicans that put all this in motion would still be in charge.
It's going to take a new government, several arrests, a change of the constitution so that this can never happen again, and at least 10 years of stability before the world trusts the US again.
What is wrong with people from abroad who don't want to be detained and cavity searched? In my day, this was the definition of a great vacation.
You don’t say
That would be a start yes. But who's to say that the new government will be stable, America could swing back to the right at any point. The rest of the world would need decades of stability to be convinced.
Thats a risk we have to take. Politicians at all levels lie to get votes. Perhaps we should have a lottery-type setup that randomly assigns govt offices to a random member of the public, as in someone not actively seeking it and isnt prone to telling everyone what they want to hear
Tha fuck ABC news? Did you expect a surge in visitors from Russia and North Korea to replace them by summer? What kind of shit reporting is this?
Hey family, who wants to go to Alligator Alcatraz this year?
Meet the mascot! Alligator Al! and all the lovable characters! the Cavity Search Capybaras! Bend over kids!
duh. if congress does not act will last at least until 2030.
Dragons don't care about tourism or the economy. They only care about gold and being feared.
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Spoiler alert, it will last at least a few more years, possibly longer. Trump and his gestapo have made it clear that the US is closed for business as long as he's in charge. The next great depression is just getting started.
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