I can understand that, lot of smaller sub are build by themselves, not wanting to lose something you spend so much time building to some random smug is pretty much human, it isn't about holding that jANitOr job. I've seen a country sub i frequent goes from 4 digit to 6 digit in the span of 6 years, it's a lot of works. Also sub like r/projectzomboid is established by the company and mods are paid position, getting kick out is...weird lol.
The issue is, because it's "understandable", it's also what gives spez the power here. If they weren't willing to go all the way, they needn't have bothered with the blackout at all. There was never any actual hope spez would change his mind from a 2 day blackout, anyone that knows anything about how he's handled things in the past should have known this. This was always going to be a standoff.
Besides, after everything spez has done, these mods shouldn't want to be modding for the site anymore. Spez has displayed a level of malice and disrespect for everyone, especially them. Why give him free labor?
That's all it is. Every minute you spend moding reddit is polishing the investment you will never see a single dime of. Spez is going to get a good deal of money off you while spitting on you, and you will get nothing but saliva. Continuing to mod there is an acceptance of that.
Also, let's be real, this isn't the end of it. Reddit will continue to get worse as Spez continues down the Musk-path. Users already can't block certain advertising accounts; I promise you a day is coming when mods won't be able to stop them in their own communities if they decide to post there. Mods will be forced to make their communities adhere to even stricter "ad friendly" content guidelines, just like YouTube. Etc etc, on and on, ad infinitum. Why stay there for all that?
This is the time to leave, to find a new place to start your communities again, get in early and find places as mods around here.
Spez has displayed a level of malice and disrespect for everyone, especially them. Why give him free labor?
Especially when it reinforces his batshit delusions of being a post-apocalypse slavemaster: "I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove."
Money and fame make you fucked in the head.
Have you noticed that all of those loud doomers are the rich Silicon Valley type? Him and Sam Altman and Musk et al. I mostly think that their main product is not tech, but fear, so they can sell themselves as the Messiahs of the unwashed masses and the only people responsible enough to control their technology.
These tech people really need to read more sci-fi, even their delusional doomer scenarios are just so unimaginative.
If spez tried to tell me to do anything in a post apocalyptic scenario, I would use him as bait to catch food.
That article certainly confirms all of my suspicions about the kind of (crappy, only in it for himself) person stevie is.
"Every minute you spend moding reddit is polishing the investment you will never see a single dime of. Spez is going to get a good deal of money off you while spitting on you, and you will get nothing but saliva"
That's why I MANUALLY(R***** won't care deleting, cause those are, of course, their source for investment, so only I have to) delete all my posts, comments, history, profile and account including disjoining communities and connections (takes time 😮💨 but at least relieved from fear), forever and tough (let it go🎤🎵🎶), so that, the ungrateful head won't ever milk anymore information I had put.
Information(data stored on databases) has made their success and profit(of course necessary but became greedy), and now they disgrace and maltreat the ones who'd helped the site flourished to become a wonderful world we'd ever wanted.
I won't allow them to exploit any information from me whether personally, actually or technically (even a short comment or pic or data or a bit of silly word) for malice with AI coming(already here happening) to Internet.
Do to do fair action.
I think you're reading too much into it. Active users is where the money is, not outdated data. Just dont login or otherwise engage with reddit -that's what hurting them in the long run
That’s why I MANUALLY(R***** won’t care deleting, cause those are, of course, their source for investment, so only I have to) delete all my posts, comments, history, profile and account
Manually or not - do you think they will stay deleted? Reddit has the data, from a technical point of view they can restore whenever they like. If that's legal (at least for EU citizens under the GDPR) is a different topic; I'm not restoring a technical answer to a technical question qualifies as private data. Probably that's different when it comes to r/relationshipadvice or similar subs.
it’s also what gives spez the power here
I doubt it is the small communities with less than 100,000 members which give spez the power here. I think it's the bigger ones, the ones people often find when googling for solutions to certain issues. Unfortunately, even if those subs close down and even if users "delete" all their posts, reddit holds the power to restore them (if this is lawful or not, at least for EU-based users according to GDPR, is a different topic. I'm not a lawyer.)
I think the value comes from the science-, open-source, diy- and IT-based subs. Those create the value people look for even years later via Google. Those are also user with sufficient technical expertise to maybe move over to Lemmy, or maybe even run their own Lemmy instance. If those subs stay firm or move out, that will seriously harm Reddit. And the smaller communities will follow eventually.
The end result is the same so what did that stand achieve exactly
Shit, I've been sitting the whole time man...
For some it ain't much about the result, just the principle of taking a stand against something they precieve as not right.
Even when you know you are going to lose, you still have to fight.
Looks like the nazis are gonna win might as well pack it in and accept it...right?
Steve Huffman is pissing all over Aaron Swartz's grave, and completely abandoning the ideals that was once a foundation of Reddit. Reddit was originally open source, Aaron died in 2013, and by 2017, Reddit had abandoned the open source / community philosophy entirely.
Never forget Aaron Swartz.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz
Edited for correct spelling of Aaron Swartz.
This is the main reason I haven't been back to reddit since this shit began. All of this goes against the original ethos of Reddit that made me join and is a disrespect to all of the people who made reddit what it is. It disrespects the users, the volunteer moderators, the app developers, and the old employees. Most especially, though, it disrespects Aaron and, if I'm not mistaken, Alexis.
Alexis is no stranger to disruptive unpopular decisions either:
He did fight for open internet back in 2010, but it seems he is mostly a finance/corporate guy now, seems he is a bit of a mixed bag.
The glass cliff...
I remember when he took over after Ellen he was given a hero's welcome. Sad to see how far its all fallen.
What she did was OK IMO. Banning revenge porn is absolutely necessary. Probably a legal requirement in almost all countries. The rage against Pau seemed to be from extremists who wanted reddit to allow discrimination, bigotry, racism, and everything in that vein.
The resulting uncensored Voat fork of reddit, was a completely useless cesspool.
I've seen a Lemmy server (feddit.dk) require posts and comments to be legal (probably for the country of the server). Which in my opinion is obvious. It should be a minimum conduct requirement for a social network anyway.
As a computer nerd I never knew about a lot of what this wiki article described, and I'm something of a news junkie to boot. It was a great read.
From the wiki article...
Swartz wrote in his Guerilla Open Access Manifesto:[47]
The world's entire scientific ... heritage ... is increasingly being digitized and locked up by a handful of private corporations....
And interesting quote, in light of the current situation going on at Reddit right now.
Absolutely this!! Thank you for posting this, I had forgotton Aaron's name and was unable to find him when this all had started. Can't believe it's been 10 years
Intellectual property law is such a farce. It's wild that he was on the hook for THAT hefty of a prison sentence just because he downloaded academic articles which should on principle automatically be in the public domain.
Absolutely, the way he was treated was criminal IMO. It's horrendous that such practically illegal law enforcement isn't held accountable. They twisted everything against him, and ignored all his rights completely. Secret service behaved like mobsters, and their accusations were complete bogus.
I'm so happy I live in a country where the law and enforcement is much more sensible. IP law is still important, but they won't destroy you for breaking it.
Thank you spez for introducing me to Lemmy, I appreciate that.
I'd heard of Lemmy and wanted to switch for at least a couple of years now, but without a critical mass of other people to post content there was no point. I'm excited that it's finally a viable community!
Same. Would have signed up years ago if I'd known about it. I miss the old usenet days!
All I have to say about this is that this was a blessing in disguise for me. I’ve never heard of the fediverse until this Reddit fiasco happened. I’m having a lot better time here being part of something new and it feels good to start fresh.
Same. I've been diving into Linux and open source and self hosting lately anyway, and at the same time you're telling me open source social media is a real thing and gaining in popularity? Count me in.
How the f do they win this?
Morally? Nah that train left.
Technically? I guess when it comes to user counts and influence there's nothing really to gain and a lot to lose as well.
Monetarily? Nope. They lost trust, which loses users and stability as well as belief in the platform. They will decrease earnings from investors, selling user data and potential ads.
I don't see a win here...
I don’t see a win here…
That a jerkwad has taken over Reddit and will, in all likelihood, force it to become a paid cesspool.
Reddit is going to do whatever the fuck it wants and will gladly fuck over the mods and users in the name of shareholder interests. These actions are chilling for anyone still considering building a community using Reddit.
they didn't follow Reddit's "Moderator Code of Conduct", here's a summarized version for anyone who wants to take their place:
Rule 1: Suck Steve Huffman's dick.
Rule 2: Suck u/spez's dick.
Rule 3: Suck it all the way to the balls.
Rule 4: Suck it like it is the most delicious shit in the world.
*New rules:
Rule 6: You are not allowed to put anything other than Steve Huffman's or u/spez's dick in your mouth.
Rule 7: Pay Steve Huffman and u/spez 20 million dollars a year each for sucking their dicks.
Rule 5 is nobody talks about rule 5.
I needed a kick in the ass to get me here, and the second and third and ... waves of reddit fuckery finally got me to join. It's a shame. Reddit was once a good place on the internet. Now it is entirely enshitified.
I haven't been back since the blackout originally began. Kinda intimidated because I know I'm going to have a lot of backing up to do. Plus the emotional toll of gazing upon the dumpsterfire with unprotected eyes. Once I get my backing up done though I don't think I'll have a single reason to go back. I don't think there's really anything anyone can do to stop spez and I think it's only a downward spiral from here on out. Starting fresh is the way to go. Spez made sure of that.
If the mods of mildly Infuriating want to jump ship they are more than welcome to have their old positions back!
I am also sure for those of mildly interesting they also would find it easy establishing a mildly interesting community here on Lemmy. I know I would join it!
https://lemmy.world/c/mildlyinteresting They are way ahead of you!
When you think about the situation, it's really just Reddit cracking down on unions… Of unpaid workers… Who are defending customers' interests… Which in turn support them… And all of this while pretending that they crack down on unions for the benefit of customers. That's a really shitty move Reddit is pulling out right there.
yeah, but we are not the customer. we are the product.
That's what you get when you model your behaviour as CEO on Elon fucking Musk.
Elon is that you?
No, my son's name is also Bort.
Reddit thought it was immune to diggifying itself
That we will still see. Its quite possible there will be a crazy big cleanup and still people will stay.
fuck u/spez
Yeah, they're gonna keep ruining Reddit while we steadily migrate here. We're just being a pain in the ass on our way out.
Someone told me i was going to get banned for saying i joined lemmy.world on reddit.. and it's like.. Okay?? This site is shit now anyways, so you're going to ban me for using a different website, that's a great way to retain users during your mass-user revolt crisis.
Where you banned?
Make sure you're willing to abruptly lose your Reddit account if you do. Reddit admins are being pretty cunthroat about this all.
Is there a value in an account you aren't planning to use on a site you don't like anymore? I think many people will wear "being banned for advocating to migrate" as a badge of honour.
What does an account matter? Make 10 more. Make them with names insulting admins.
I dunno about you, but that sounds like a lot of effort just to momentarily stay active on a sinking ship. I'd rather wait until I am fully used to Lemmy, and more to the point, when the bugs are worked out, with a normally functioning Reddit account. Maybe I'll go out and do something to get banned after that happens but for now I'll just play on easy mode.
nuking entire mod teams and disabling their accounts? wow.
Steve Huffman is a bastard man
He's a real bastard man
Sitting in his bastard land
Making all his bastard plans
For redditors
There needs to be a massive resignation of reddit moderators.
If reddit refuses to hear the mod's voice, why would anyone give them their labour for free?
Let the power-tripping mods stay, and let the sane mods come to other platforms. Let the site go to shit or make Reddit spend millions investing in its own moderation team.
I closed down my subs and moved here and started new ones. I'm not looking back. My subs were only moderated by me, so they can hire someone if they want to open them up again.
It would be better if the mods stopped moderating, without removing themselves. Just let the communities become overwhelming cesspits, making it that much more difficult for the admins to scrub. That is the nuclear option, though, and it seems that the mods actually have hope for Reddit to compromise.
E: Seems like this has already been done, and Admins have retaliated for doing so
Any mods willing to stay aren't mods I'd want here, anyway.
I think what they're doing is the most impactful. If the mods just stop, then under ToS they can be legitimately removed as inactive. If they're active and following the clearly-expressed will of the community as determined by voting (you know, that core principle that all of Reddit is built on) then any action taken to remove them is an obvious and egregious violation of Reddit's stated policies. If the community will just happens to be something that makes the website less programme l monetisable... well, that's a shame, but nothing in Reddit's user ToS says "you must work towards helping us profit from your interactions with the site ".
Plus, many of these communities are voting to do things that accelerate the transformation of their subreddits into hard-to-clean-up cesspits.
They should migrate to lemmy.
Just did.
What a fucking circus that reddit has become in just the last couple of weeks.
I was still popping last week, but its all but slowed to a trickle at this point. Reddit fucking sucks today, and I say that as a 12 year user who thought it sucked 3 years ago.
Yes. 16 year Reddit user here. The last pieces of the puzzle with themes and moving to lemm.ee are falling into place for me. Lemmy's front page is now more interesting than Reddit. Very much reminds me of the Reddit I joined. Way more intelligent and topical.
I'm still hoping for more discussion on the news communities, but it'll get there.
There's nowhere near the amount of activity on Lemmy as there is (er, was?) on Reddit. But of course Lemmy is still in its infancy (comparative to Reddit, which has a collaborative seventeen year history behind all the threads/subs).
It's a very good sign to see that perhaps we collectively just need to be patient, give it some time, and Lemmy could thrive.
Misread and thought you were saying you were 12 at first. You're very mature for your age!
Several admins made it known that instances without captcha verification were getting bombarded with account verifications (lemmy.world got shut off from their email verification for a bit, even), and enabling captcha solved the issue. That only really happens with bots.
You can also see fairly dead instances getting 10s of thousands of users without any corresponding activity. That's a pretty big sign there.
10s of thousands of applications in quick succession that are all random character emails and names; solution is captca + email verification + rate limiting, but captcha js being removed in 0.18 because the devs think that theyre ineffective as bypasses are available; I think they should remain as an option because anything that creates friction will help curb the bot problem. Even if some bot creators decide to go through the trouble of using a captcha bypass, it will help curb low effort spamming.
As much as I should be happy to see power mods like iBleeedOrange and AwkwardTheTurtle get served a taste of their own medicine, it pisses me off that this is the hill that Spez chose to kill them on.
Unfortunately Spez will have to do so much worse to truly kill off the site.
Spez must leave. Meanwhile, the ones leaving are the ones that create the content that gives them visits and money. Very good decisions, yes. What a shame, Aaron Swartz would be shocked and furious, no doubt!
The dead can't say one way or another how they would have felt, and using them as a voiceless weapon is pretty shitty.
What Spez is doing is bad enough on it's own. There's no need at all to disrespect the dead like that just to shore up your righteousness.
I never thought I'd side with Disney on anything, but then came Ron DeSantis. I never thought I'd side with Reddit mods on anything, but then came spez.
Yeah, huh. It's weird how that happened. Disney, ruiner of many small companies and destroyer of the purpose of copyright law on a deeply greedy level, goes against a sociopath nazi white nationalist, probably kkk.
Ten years ago, I liked Disney stuff but hated what they've done to the freedom of law and ruining the opportunities of many.
But here we are, post-2016 trump era, the world is way, way worse, and my activist political aunt was right.
She said to me, back then at a family get together after dinner, that electing trump is an extremely scary thing and would be bad.
I asked her what's the worst that could really happen.
She kinda stared back at me, as if to gauge what to say. Then said that he was the type of person that brings all the awful things out from under their rocks, and told me to keep my eyes open and pay attention, because if he got elected, the next 4 years will be the type of history that only happens once in a lifetime.
She was 100% serious, as if she could see the future. But she was just in her 60s, big gay, from DC, and confident and loud. I can still see the the look of dread and sorrow on her face as she said that to me, and I doubt I'll ever forget it.
Power typically begets more power, and the only way to fix it is to forcefully bend it to your will over and over again. I can't believe Disney is where our trust is for civil rights, but, I guess it can always be worse and Disney knows that and is using us for support. It's not great.
Fuck spez.
It's like boomer sociopaths grew old enough in their time, and were like "yeah, ruin everything, yeah yeah". But then millennial sociopaths grew old enough and are now like, "hold my coke..." Can we reign this shit in for the future generations at least? Because it's awful.
She kinda stared back at me, as if to gauge what to say. Then said that he was the type of person that brings all the awful things out from under their rocks, and told me to keep my eyes open and pay attention, because if he got elected, the next 4 years will be the type of history that only happens once in a lifetime.
Your aunt was right, but there is a positive force to this happening. It's like boiling chicken stock. It raises the scum to the top which makes it easier to remove. While it stirred up a mess for us, that mess was always there. Now we can at least easily spot it and collectively work towards removing it.
Honestly, I've thought about that, too. Like what if electing trump was just a catalyst for good change? We see all the shitty stuff that we're not immune to (no pun intended), and then steel our resolve to be better.
Frankly, I'd rather just be done with all the nonsense, but if the last several years have taught me anything, it's that we are ALL dumb as fuck and need to work on ourselves, myself included. Humans just aren't quite ready. We may be, someday... But right now, I think it's best we learn to overcome what our problems are by looking deeply into a mirror and working on that.
I kinda wanted to be able to see that galactic civilization, but I'm now aware that we have never been ready for it, and need to stop pretending we don't have issues and blind spots.
Makes sense to me. Humans are instinctively opposed to the stronger power when we preceive to have been wronged.
Governments vs business? Government is generally going to be on the losing end, unless the business is clearly in the wrong. (We'll force government to give power to the people to fight back via unions, or corp wanting to defend the rights of the people when gov wants to restrict it).
Mods have often drawn a lot of ire from their communities, and often rightfully so. But this is business vs an unpaid volunteer. The winner is obvious unless there is some widely known extenuating circumstance or mods undermine the paradigm by upsetting the communities that need to support them.
I don't want to dislike reddit. They have been better than most everyone else on a lot of things over the years, and having used it for 17 years I've seen the ups and downs personally. But things are very different now. They know they can't win a PR battle, so they're trying to diminish what's going on, turn users against mods, and sweep it under the rug as quickly as possible.
I'm glad we found out sooner than later.
Incoming "this is always gonna happen", "i've predict this" and then the crowd who criticise them for bowing down to Reddit to keep their "unpaid job" is suddenly very silent.
any mods that rolled over to continue doing an unpaid job just to retain some form of power are bitches.
Personally, I don't believe that POV is fair. As someone who, with a small group of friends, started a sub that has grown to 100k people and is the most active internet community for a niche gaming segment - i personally think it's not that easy to judge. I have not been active on my sub in years, and I leave the job up to the new guard, but I can completely respect the decision to want to keep something you invested in building alive and a positive influence in the area it affects. It's easy to armchair QB stuff like this and judge others decisions, but to just generalize and say "better to die than to think something else is better in the bigger picture" is a bit of a cop out imo.
That depends on the principles. And it is at least unkind to implicate he doesn't have any. Both of you are making valid arguments, even if they are mutually exclusive. Also, both of you fail to see this from another perspective. It's like you're looking at a dice from two sides and argue about which numbers are visible. Sometimes it helps to turn things around and look at them from different angles. I'd bet it would at least improve the tone of this conversation.
Some communities do serve an important support network for many people (things like places for closeted LGBT+ people to express themselves when they live in anti-LGBT+ areas, etc). They're sometimes more than just a place to get dopamine hit while bored at work.
I totally agree and have made a similar argument on Reddit in one of those spaces as well. I think it's worth purposely killing those existing communities to get people to move. Boring malicious compliance + a link to the new home is how egg_irl has been handling it and I think it's how others should as well (I have complaints about where they're moving the community to, but that's a separate issue). The mods have explicitly stated they're trying to make the sub boring to get people to leave.
But I won't insult mods of a less meme-focused support network who believes that putting up with reddit is worth it to help provide as much of a safe space on Reddit as they can. I think they may be acting in what they believe to be the best interests of others, likely at their own expense (in terms of time and sanity). Diversity of tactics are cool
And also, any mods that rolled over to continue doing an unpaid job just to retain some form of power are bitches.
Sincerely disagree about that.
And if you’re doing it just because you’re afraid to let go of whatever pathetic little power you have established there, then your ideals don’t align with mine, and I see you as a bitch.
Well, the problem is on you then.
I've joined here because I think Reddit's quality is going to tank after June 30, but I downloaded Jerboa and it doesn't seem to accept my credentials, regardless of instance. I'm confused.
You point your sign in on Jerboa to the instance you created the account on, in this case, lemmy.world. If you're having issues with that, wait a bit and try again. If you still have trouble, try posting in the jerboa@lemmy.world community.
you created the account on, in this case, lemmy.world.
Oh hey! I didn't know you could manually enter the instance - I thought you had to choose It let me log in! Thanks so much for the tip! :)
FYI, the web page itself is a progressive web app. This means you can go to the web page in a mobile browser and click "add to home screen" and a shortcut shows up that behaves like an application. I think Jeroba will eventually be better than the PWA, but it's not there yet in my opinion.
The progressive web app is super nifty, that's what I've been using. Almost feels like BaconReader.
Yes I did...
On Lemmy.world? Or Lemmy.ml?
... I'm really confused about these different sites/instances/defederation.
So it's helpful to think of each lemmy server as its own "mini reddit". It has its own collection of users and communities ( similar to subreddits). The cool thing is you can sign up from any of the lemmy servers and then subscribe to communities and interact with users from any other server. This is because all servers "talk" to all other servers, as long as they're not defederated ( See beehaw).
I think what the user above you was saying is to do the sign up on your desktop, with the server of your choice (lemmy.world is a decent choice). And then try logging into Jerboa using your credentials( and remembering which server you used to sign up-you can't sign into a different server from the one you created your account on)
I am also confused about what @Colt420 is suggesting here. It is clear that you already have a sign up for lemmy.world. This should be enough to log into Jeroba so what you're seeing is likely just a bug.
It's all a bit confusing, and ironically I wish there was a sub like r/NoStupidQuestions where I could ask for help. A few people have replied to me to tell me how the instances work, but I need an ELI3 or something, haha! Thank you for letting me know that it's likely just a bug. Will see how this smooths over in the months ahead. :)
The first local instance I signed up before I fully understood/realized what I was doing was focused on getting together a Chinese or Chinese American instance. Seemingly decent, but I just really didn't want to be barging in on something that wasn't for me. People seem to really be liking Jerboa, but I find it much simpler finding other instances in the web browser. I still have much to learn though.
The first local instance I signed up before I fully understood/realized what I was doing was focused on getting together a Chinese or Chinese American instance.
Sort of unrelated to the general "Hey - I can't seem to log onto the app" enquiry, but I would be interested in helping out to evolve a Chinese instance. I'm not American, but am interested in trying to be a part of the Pan-Asian community.
I believe it was latte.isnot.coffee, but it appears they recently opened up. Or I was just a confused new user and didn't realize what instance the community/post was under. You can search for instances at: https://browse.feddit.de/ In cased you missed it, Beehaw defederated at the start of the recent big Reddit migration, so we won't receive any external post/updates and vise-versa outside of your own instance. If I'm oversimplifying or need correction - anyone correct me!
Beehaw defederated at the start of the recent big Reddit migration
Can I get an ELI3? Haha.
Once I figure out how to relocate that - I'd absolutely add it to after this! Should be in my computer or phone history somewhere, but don't have much time to get into it until tomorrow.
Ideally Jeroba isn't tied to any specific instance. I have accounts on a couple different instances added to Jeroba and it switches between them nicely.
This is slightly more than mildly infuriating.
What garbage
Well that went just as I expected it to. The admins are still the admins. They're the top of the power totem and that's that.
Honestly this protest's only purpose shouldve be to raise awareness of alternatives and tell people "were leaving Reddit, and this is where we're going" while we still can. Because Reddit is private property, and therefore will always be subject to the whims of its admins - regardless of how people believe it should be run of if people think it should tolerate protesting against the platform on the platform.
Everyone should've been aware that this protest could only have been temporary.
Sure we reminded them of the power we possess, but they've essentially reminded us that they possess more, and can remove that power regardless of how the community feels. Admins are and have always been at the top.
No one had any illusions about how this was going to go. The point was making them do it. The point was forcing Reddit into a PR nightmare just before their big IPO. The point was giving this platform traction. The fact that this post exists on this platform is proof that the mods succeeded. Sure, Reddit is still huge.. but with entire mod teams being replaced with Spez bootlickers it remains to be seen whether they can maintain what they have, or if this is Digg all over again.
It's hard to predict what will happen, but I'm here, and you're here, so something is happening.
I don't think reddit will die, but they definitely hurt themselves. The fediverse grew by leaps and bounds over the past week, reddit drove so much traffic to their potential competitors. Then when the 3rd party apps die, they'll lose some more.
Reddit is gambling on gaining enough revenue from pushing people on 3rd party apps to 1st party that it makes up for the loss of users overall.
People on reddit say "Why do we care about 3rd party apps, it's such a small section of the userbase" But apparently reddit cares enough about that small section of the userbase that they need to push them to their own app.
I said this elsewhere, but this isn't the end of reddit. The end of reddit will be when everyone on the site says "God i'm tired of all these fediverse/(some shittier platform) reposts, why am I even here?"
Likely Reddit will do another twitter and ban links from known threadiverse instances/communities - they don't want to give people an excuse to leave Reddit. Especially because I'd say the threadiverse actually can present a threat to Reddit.
I'll admit though, I still have my twitter account and I pinned my mastodon account directly to it just before that rule changed - and I still haven't been banned for it, and as far as I can tell it's still up there. but I might've just gotten lucky - after all I am on a smaller instance.
Nobody said it makes sense.
We'll see in a few days what the people end up choosing. I'm not going back unless demands are met, but I do have a tiny glimmer of hope that the people will let it go as apps disappear, and a slightly larger glimmer of hope that it'll just kinda shrivel over the following months and years.
But, in all likelihood, people are dumb, and spineless and ignorant, and will continue to make spez money and the durability of the site will endure. It'll be worse, but not worse enough for the vast majority of normal people to not use it. I have hope, but it's simply hope in the face of my ever growing misanthropy.
Honestly just the fact that the protest gave awareness to viable reddit alternatives is good enough. And the blackout helped in that regard to force users to search for alternatives (like me). Obviously subs will be forced back open, but people have options now with whole communities here that literally did not exist weeks ago.
Um. Strong disagree. Yeah it went about as badly as we all expected, but that doesn't mean it's good or okay.
In all honesty, reddittors should take down the servers as a form of protest. That's always been a proper format of protest that's the equivalent to picketing workers - disrupt production, bring it to a halt, and don't go back to work until you get what you want. It doesn't hurt anybody or any thing, and you show your power and value at the same time. It's an inconvenient time for reddit's pockets? Well maybe they should pull their heads out of their asses. Anything less is just a complaint, and in this day and age, when they have dollar signs for eyes, that don't mean shit to this type of people.
If you wanna use might makes right as a founding logic for apathy and apologism, then cowards prepare assholes.
Reddit doing what they're doing is the equivalent of forcefully removing picketers and you're like, "it's their business, they've always had the right."
Because they always have had the legal right to do as they please with their platform.
This protest isn't by the workers - it's by unpaid volunteers and there is no law saying they have to listen to unpaid volunteers - and while we can organise there's no - "unionization" persay - they aren't paying us. So yes, they can and will bust through up the picket line, holding as many people hostage to their platform despite the moral standing of doing so.
Sure people don't like that, and therefore they have no moral right. But business when they get greedy generally don't care about moral rights, and will do everything on the correct side of the law to keep their power and userbase, and considering how eroded the antitrust and anticonsumer laws are right now, reddit has a lot of ability to do shit they shouldn't really be allowed to do.
Even if legal suits do happen as a result of this, it will be a long drawn out process where Reddit will either Win, or declare bankruptcy. Then you can bet a large multinational tech company will buy it out. Google and Microsoft have been wanting to get into social media for some time now, and meta is still looking for a hot new thing it can hedge it's bets and get more userbase - to the eyes of these companies the data and software Reddit possesses has inherent value even as the dwindling userbase, especially because Reddit aren't really deleting data from old accounts. Hell current data would be a great data set to train AIs on and therefore big AI companies would love the opportunity to own said data. I could totally see a company buy it up, shut it down and then use the data to their own ends.
Also taking down the servers, while I completely agree with that in this case - and if 4chan were on board it probably would've happened - though I doubt it could be sustained long term, maybe a few months at absolute best, a few hours at worst. Doing so via the means we have available does present a legal concern not many are willing to cross, especially considering the implications of getting caught, most people are into peaceful protests, for this sort of thing not ouright trying to wreck shit - going to prison over a gripe with a social media site seems like a really dumb thing to ruin your life for.
Now we get the fun of destroying what's left
Scum! The wave of NSFW stuff was the most fun reddit has ever been!
What's next? All NSFW subs having pictures/stories of OSHA/worker safety violations? BigButts just some ol' plumber cleavage.
I started Lemmy last week. I was only going to Reddit for Ukraine stuff and now the Ukraine war video sub is GONE. Amazing how much they have fucked this all up in such a short period.
Any idea where to get Ukraine war stuff nowadays?
War in Ukraine , and Ukraine have instances started here. I imagine we will see more after 6/30
That's absolute garbage. I am mostly on Lemmy now, but I unsubbed from mildly interesting anyway.
Jfc. Reddit is dead.
I'd say that's a little more than just "mildly" infuriating.
But reddit had made its bed.
*dug its grave
*Digged its grave
I guess I could see how this is infuriating to some without foresight, but when the event was expected from the very beginning I fail to understand how it would incite those feelings.
Reddit was always going to do this.
I was going to wait until the 29th to erase my content and delete my account, just in case the board woke up from their torpor, decided to stop the hemorrhaging and remove Spez… but now that Reddit is violating their own TOS commitments, and I just got my personal data download request filled… I guess I’m starting now.
I want to say that I've been deleting my reddit comments since before the blackout and more keep appearing every time I look at top or controversial. It's a good idea to start a delete script and then keep checking until comments stop showing up or reddit makes an API change that breaks it or whatever.
This was just recommended to me: https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite
Disclosure: I know nothing about who created this and haven’t used it yet myself.
Notes on PDS:
It goes too fast and most of its edit operations are rejected by Reddit's rate limiter, so each run will be roughly 5% successful. Several forks fix the issue by introducing a delay, so make sure to use one of those or make your own.
Reddit restores comments and revert edits at random. Maybe due to some backup restore due to all the drama. I re-run PDS every day.
Deleted comments can be read and restored by mods. Edited comments make the original comment unavailable.
Totally insane
I have always thought being a mod is a pretty thankless task, everyday you wade through the worst of the internet so others don’t have to. If you know you can get voted out at any time for pretty much any reason and expected to take up the slack when other mods are randomly booted, I can see a lot of folk not bothering and those that stay also not be particularly bothered about treating it too seriously.
Anyways thank you mods!
The plot thickens
That was me, I had my hands in the plot and some Bugles fell off
What a bunch of pricks
Oooof holy shit.
Seems likely. It keeps happening to me a few times a day.
I think they're just complaining about multiple posts on the same topic. Like, anywhere on the fediverse. It is crossposted to /c/philippines though which is kinda odd, though not actually anything to do with this version of the post
Have you not been paying attention to what's been going on? The protests have done serious damage to Reddit's reputation, the viability of its IPO, and is causing a significant drop in the number of users. Not to mention the loss of content creators and moderators who are necessary for the site to function. The protests are intentionally making the site unusable to bore and drive out those who are reasonable, and leaving only those who shill for and lick the boots of Spez and the rest of the incompetent administration team. And without content to consume, those people will leave as well.
thanks for using Leebra!
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At least they took a stand. Thousands of other subs who got the same ultimatums just gave in no questions asked, no malicious compliance.
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